Updates on the Fight for Quality Public Education in Brevard County, FL
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33:05 amendment rights and so if we need to and Mr. Cheatham email me
33:08 back and I
33:09 think you clarified this the intent was on district network
33:13 devices and things
33:15 like that but the way it reads students are and staff are
33:18 prohibited in the use
33:18 of AI from generating false or knowingly misleading
33:21 representations of other
33:23 students staff volunteers board members that are reasonably
33:25 interpreted as
33:25 derogatory threatening blah blah blah and then distributing
33:29 through any means
33:30 for example via social media regardless of whether distributor
33:33 create the
33:33 depictions themselves and so the scenario and then and
33:36 especially since
33:36 it’s followed up immediately with letter M which tells that
33:39 violation of the
33:40 policy can result in disciplinary consequences now Mr. Cheatham
33:44 clarified
33:45 that this was the intention of this was there not to be using
33:48 district network
33:49 district devices to do these things but then even if it was
33:53 outside of school if
33:54 it caused it brings you know like cyberbullying or disruption on
34:04 campus it
34:05 can qualify for disruption but in this kind of the scenario I
34:09 gave was you know
34:11 if someone took one of these AI generated lovely political
34:14 cartoons and
34:15 shared it on their personal Facebook page it seemed like would
34:19 violate this
34:19 policy but it can’t we can’t we can’t govern people’s even
34:23 people who are
34:24 employed by us our students their use of their own devices so I
34:27 just wanted to
34:28 make sure and I know if it would make sense just to change the
34:31 title non
34:31 academic use of AI on district resources if that would be but
34:36 hang on if an
34:37 individual and if I’m sorry that was pretty much it that my
34:42 suggestion was
34:42 could we just add something to the title of it to make that
34:44 clear for
34:45 clarification if I’m a student and somehow I utilize my phone to
34:50 send
34:51 derogatory information about another student that’s in school
34:54 you’re saying
34:55 you don’t want this to apply to that if I use my own device if
34:59 you so there are
35:01 ways that it could be it would be classified in certain
35:04 circumstances as
35:05 like it could go under bullying it could go under harassment
35:08 cyber harassment I
35:10 think with separate you know all the things we have there but
35:15 just I think
35:16 this is stating if I’m there yeah that this is the use of AI in
35:20 a way to
35:20 manipulate a fact something that was set up to harm another
35:25 student or staff or
35:27 somebody else or a staff member using it or somebody else I I
35:30 didn’t see like
35:33 because we do see people using at a football game like that’s
35:37 not you know
35:38 we’re allowed to have our cell phones at a football game but if
35:40 they take a
35:40 picture start spreading it there you know at the football game
35:44 stuff like
35:44 that I think this covers those I guess extracurricular
35:48 activities the sporting
35:49 activities those kind of things where might not be between them
35:54 so Mike my
35:55 question is this is actually saying the use of AI to create the
35:59 images is what
36:00 is prohibited there and just again use the example that I gave
36:06 we have
36:06 derogatory AI generated political cartoons going around if one
36:11 of our
36:11 staff members grabbed on that political cartoon and shared it on
36:15 their own
36:15 device in their own time if we left this the way it is we’re
36:19 saying that’s
36:20 against policy because they’re and it’s derogatory it’s
36:24 insulting to board
36:25 members I mean kind of it but I don’t think that we can actually
36:29 do that what
36:30 you’re talking about a scenario where someone would do that and
36:32 they would
36:33 maybe take another student and they would be passing around it
36:35 could it could
36:36 violate all kinds of policies but not this one because if it if
36:42 they were
36:42 cyberbullying someone right if they were threatening someone if
36:46 they were doing
36:47 whatever whatever that is but in their own time on their own
36:51 devices their own
36:53 accounts that’s that’s different I think we’re running into
36:57 First Amendment
36:58 issues Paul my I mean yeah I mean you’re gonna have to be
37:01 careful no matter what
37:03 when it comes to this it’s just like the cheerleader case on
37:06 Facebook you know
37:06 cussing the principal and cheerleading coach it was deemed first
37:10 minute first
37:12 amendment expression and protected so if it doesn’t create a
37:16 disruption if it
37:16 creates a disruption on campus and it bleeds onto campus if it’s
37:19 after hours
37:20 and we we have jurisdiction over it’s just gonna be fact
37:24 specific no matter
37:25 what we do we can certainly try and clarify the language and say
37:28 what’s
37:29 explicitly prohibited they’re certainly free to say you cannot
37:33 use AI to do
37:34 these things on our devices that’s we control those so if it’s
37:38 our computer
37:38 whether at home or not and they’re using our devices that would
37:42 be a violation of
37:42 our technology so they’d get popped for violation of technology
37:46 use in that case
37:47 so with that so to clarify what I’m asking could we add at that
37:52 on on the
37:52 title for letter L non-academic of use you get a non-academic
37:57 use of AI on
37:58 district resources would that cover laptops and the network and
38:02 you could
38:03 but I don’t know that that’s that would be more like you’re
38:06 trying to only
38:07 restrict its use I think there’s going to be multiple uses that
38:10 work we would
38:11 just need to try and say hey you’re not allowed to do any of
38:13 these things on
38:14 district devices but if you do these on personal devices and it
38:17 impacts the
38:17 school district environment you’re going to be disciplined so I
38:20 mean we’re gonna
38:21 have to try and thread that in a little bit and also I think it
38:24 also ties in
38:25 when staff members or volunteers or anybody are identifying
38:28 themselves as a
38:29 part of it sometimes I know one of the delineating factors is is
38:33 when somebody
38:34 on their website or their Facebook page says I am a teacher of BPS
38:38 and then
38:38 starts posting that is a different than somebody who just has a
38:41 personal device
38:42 that says nothing about that and then it’s posting so I I do I’m
38:46 not I’m not
38:47 so concerned about board members like we get hit all the time
38:50 but I am concerned
38:51 about students or staff members using AI in a false way to
38:55 perpetuate hate and
38:56 other things on their personal devices I think this allows us to
39:00 get there I
39:00 think in having our district determine if it’s going to get us
39:04 into that would
39:05 be what I think what I think Paul is saying like we would get it
39:10 and then
39:10 Paul would review it to see if it violates the First Amendment
39:13 right of
39:13 that individual and if not then we move forward is that kind of
39:16 what you’re
39:17 thinking Paul’s but I could hear you I mean no matter what yeah
39:19 it’s gonna be a
39:20 heavy fact intensive inquiry on on anything to do with
39:23 expression and AI
39:25 and all that we have to look at it now if it’s on our device
39:27 like I said they
39:28 can certainly clarify and say you’re not allowed to use AI to
39:31 generate any of
39:32 these images on our computers or devices that we send home or
39:36 they have access to
39:36 that that can just be a straight violation if they’re at home
39:40 out of
39:40 school off our campuses we don’t have control over them we’re
39:45 gonna have to be
39:45 careful about how you go about disciplining we’re gonna have to
39:48 look at
39:49 it and we can certainly work on some language before the next
39:52 bringing this
39:53 back the next time to try and clarify all of this in a way that
39:58 is clear I
39:59 think and even it could I would suggest maybe it could even be
40:02 incorporated and
40:02 scratch the way that I just suggested you know if we can put
40:05 some work in the
40:06 district resources but then add a line that says what you said
40:09 you know
40:10 students and staff should be aware that you know even on their
40:14 own devices than
40:15 their own time their own accounts it could lead to potentially
40:19 to discipline
40:20 if it right right you refer to student code of conduct or the
40:25 staff ethics
40:26 policy whatever but I just think I as it is I’m seeing some
40:30 First Amendment
40:31 issues because we I would also say that if there was an
40:35 individual out there
40:36 that was posting false statements that then led to families
40:39 leaving our schools
40:41 if that individual was a part of our school district even though
40:43 they’re
40:44 doing it on their personal device that may be something that we
40:46 would be able
40:46 to show there was an impact to the school environment that
40:50 created it as
40:51 we can ask to create the disruption on campus so if it doesn’t
40:54 create a
40:54 disruption on campus there’s not gonna be a lot we can do with
40:57 it we’ll talk
40:57 about it all right so you’re gonna bring that back that portion
41:00 yeah okay thank
41:02 you anybody else got anything on this one no I got a ton of
41:10 resources when we
41:12 had our coalition meeting a couple weeks weeks ago I asked for
41:16 the different
41:17 districts to kind of send what they are working on a lot of them
41:19 just use neola
41:20 policy some of them were like really short and outdated but I’ve
41:23 got a few
41:24 things from Marion County and Polk and Seminole in particular
41:27 and if you don’t
41:28 want I’m gonna send them to you I know you already had the
41:30 committee work which
41:31 I think you’re gonna share with us in just a minute but I’m
41:33 gonna share this
41:33 with you and it’s your cheating sounds good to me
41:37 Jean Megan you there you guys so I had a couple of things we
41:43 talked around AI and
41:45 consent and things like that from the parents right mr. Cheatham
41:51 when in
41:52 regards to family members as a parent if I don’t want my child
41:57 to have to take
41:59 and utilize AI in a way that I might find offensive is there an
42:04 opt-out form
42:04 that we can use there is an opt-out for internet use within the
42:09 district it is
42:10 becoming more and more difficult to to support that just because
42:14 so much of our
42:15 curriculum is now digital we will still honor it and work work
42:21 our way through
42:21 it but it’s becoming more and more difficult just because so
42:23 much of our
42:24 curriculum content is digital so if a parent were to opt out of
42:27 their student
42:28 getting on the internet it makes it very difficult for some
42:31 courses it’s very
42:33 difficult because all of the the content is digital at this
42:36 point but no I
42:37 understand that for me the parental consent is wrapped more
42:41 around there’s a
42:44 lot of things that are developed through AI and stuff like that
42:46 that they may
42:47 find are not appropriate right so maybe there’s an opportunity
42:51 for us to allow I
42:52 guess if you’re saying through that they automatically say they
42:55 no longer want to
42:56 deal with wireless that’s one thing but there’s another wave of
42:59 we know we just
43:01 don’t want to have a utilization of AI in any of my child’s
43:04 stuff so and again
43:06 it just difficult because every company right now is saying they
43:10 use AI even in
43:11 some cases when they’re it’s just good programming but they
43:15 still that’s kind
43:16 of a selling point for most of our vendors is that hey we use AI
43:19 we use AI
43:20 so it will take a lot of things off the shelf where there’s
43:23 truly using AI or
43:24 not but that it’s it’s the hot item right now every vendor is
43:28 pretty much
43:28 saying they there’s AI incorporated into their solution I’m not
43:33 I don’t yeah and
43:35 maybe I should do a better job of clarifying it’s not that you
43:39 know the AI
43:40 that’s developed for our school districts curriculum already
43:43 that
43:44 enhances it whatever is one thing but to put together an AI
43:48 driven assignment
43:50 that is pulling away I think is where that teeth comes from
43:53 understand because
43:55 of the fear that there’s certain things there I’ll follow up
43:58 with you on that and
43:58 we limit quite a bit when our students can have access to right
44:01 now our
44:01 teachers have more access because we want them to learn how to
44:04 incorporate
44:04 that into their instruction but on the student side it is locked
44:07 down quite a
44:08 bit right now absolutely and then I did notice in the way they’ve
44:12 written the
44:13 policy as of right now we would only be allowing the closed the
44:20 closed AI seems
44:21 like maybe notebook LM I don’t know if we use that one utilize
44:24 that one but
44:24 that’s one that like it only pulls from resources that you put
44:28 in it doesn’t go
44:28 out into the internet yeah pull things in would that be that’s
44:33 correct yeah
44:34 open AI is just it’s it’s a little too dangerous just to let our
44:37 students on
44:38 that because you you never know what the results are going to be
44:41 from one day to
44:41 the next right that’s the fear that’s the fear okay all right
44:47 and then at no
44:48 point mr. Cheatham is any of our student data being given to
44:53 third-party AI
44:54 organizations to be utilized for sales or anything like that
44:57 correct should not
44:58 be we have DPAs with every vendor that we go into to business
45:03 with and it
45:03 outlines that the things they can and cannot do with our data
45:06 and selling our
45:06 data is never an option okay and we don’t sell our data to
45:10 another
45:11 organization absolutely not got it just wanted to verify I knew
45:13 that that was
45:14 right all right and who has the authority to approve the AI that
45:21 is
45:22 brought to the school district is that dr. Rendell is that you
45:26 guys like that
45:27 that whole I’m a teacher I want to bring this program is that
45:31 the principal who
45:32 is that that typically it comes through ET if it’s concerning I’ll
45:36 take it to
45:36 dr. Rendell and we’ll have a discussion about it to make sure it
45:39 meets the needs
45:40 of the school district and there’s not too much risk involved
45:43 but we’re not
45:43 doing a lot of true open AI right now as a district okay I might
45:48 get back up with
45:49 you on there and then okay all right there’s one other piece but
45:55 I think it
45:55 this already addresses it all right anybody else have anything
45:59 all right so
46:03 if I could just touch on one of the other things we’re doing
46:07 once this
46:07 policy goes into effect we’ll also be standing up a website that
46:12 will be
46:12 giving our parents students and the community some of our
46:14 guidelines around
46:15 AI just kind of starting to build that framework so they can
46:18 understand what we
46:19 will allow what we won’t allow what we hope to accomplish what
46:22 we want our
46:23 students to accomplish what our teachers can do with it but just
46:26 so that we can
46:27 kind of bring everyone together because it’s a if you talk to
46:30 other districts
46:30 everyone’s struggling with AI and how to really get their hands
46:33 around this so we
46:35 just thought it’s a good idea to at least communicate where we
46:38 are where
46:39 we’re going where we hope to go and along the way but we’ll
46:42 communicate the
46:43 principles of AI what we’d like to see in the classroom how
46:46 students should
46:47 reference AI if they decide to use it you know so it’s not
46:50 looked at as
46:50 plagiarism and things like that but just want to be as clear as
46:54 possible what we
46:55 will allow just so that people just kind of don’t take a wrong
47:00 turn okay good old
47:03 fashioned I have to bring up I have to bring it though because
47:10 ever since we’ve
47:11 had all these AI conversations I can like hey you know what the
47:13 original AI
47:14 and schoolwork was spell check it’s came in mr. Cheatham if you
47:25 could speak to
47:26 the meetings and stuff like that that we had to develop this
47:29 policy if you had a
47:30 second one of the cool things we just did we just had an AI
47:34 innovation and
47:35 implementation meeting et working with HR had a lot of school or
47:41 district
47:41 leaders from this building take part in pretty much a day-long
47:46 AI exploratory
47:48 type of event also had dr. Sachs from FAU come down we discussed
47:53 AI agents and
47:54 how agents of are being used to to help do some work that day I
47:58 think we focus
47:58 on IEPs and things like that but we really thought we should
48:04 start here at
48:04 this building because if if we can figure out ways to use AI in
48:10 a leadership
48:10 capacity that will filter down to schools but at the same time
48:14 we have to
48:14 figure out does it work and when it comes to AI the school can’t
48:19 really be
48:20 the location where we you know do the first test so just just
48:24 trying some
48:24 things out it was a great meeting a lot of different
48:28 perspectives I believe
48:30 there was yes there was someone from pretty much every
48:32 department involved in
48:33 that meeting and we discussed how does AI impact your world how
48:36 can it impact
48:38 your world how should it impact your world and we’re trying to
48:41 build out some
48:41 projects just to do some additional testing at the district
48:44 office so that
48:45 we can better understand how it might impact schools so it’s a
48:47 great meeting
48:48 it was the first meeting and we hope to kind of filter that down
48:52 into the
48:52 schools as we get better at it yeah thank you mister I just just
48:59 a few
48:59 minutes cuz I mean I we’ve all seen the scary things but until
49:03 you’ve started
49:05 using things and I know I know mr. Thomas has been a user right
49:09 of AI for
49:10 different resources I mean there’s all different things that you
49:12 can really
49:12 enhance productivity and so as long as we’re keeping things open
49:16 you know we
49:17 it’s it is fair and right for us to put the guardrails on but
49:21 you know for
49:22 examples like you know we have really long complex documents and
49:27 you know we
49:28 throw the text of a long complex document into and I’m not
49:31 talking about
49:32 a student’s IEP but let’s say some of our policies policies
49:35 forever and we
49:36 want them to be more easily interpreted for parents or the
49:39 community and we
49:40 throw that into grok Claude whatever your chat GPT and say you
49:45 know we can’t
49:45 can’t let our students do that but say create a bulleted list of
49:51 you know wait in layman’s
49:52 terms right these are some these are some ways that and then it
49:56 does it in a
49:57 split second right digests mountains of information and you can
50:02 pull it down to
50:03 the core things that a community member might need to know we
50:06 just don’t need to
50:07 be afraid of it I’m you know but we need to be cautious right it
50:12 I don’t if it’s
50:13 a tool that will help with productivity with our departments
50:15 especially an age
50:16 where we’re cutting this and we’re cutting that if it can be
50:19 used for
50:20 productivity I I’m all for it with the guardrails right I
50:23 definitely don’t want
50:24 to be a district that says nope and close the door because that’s
50:27 just
50:28 ignorant I mean it’s here what are we gonna do with it how are
50:30 we going to
50:31 protect our students primarily how we’re going to protect our
50:34 information our
50:35 cybersecurity all of that while opening the doors for people to
50:41 use it to make
50:42 our our district more efficient and in time and money and effort
50:47 so I
50:48 appreciate you guys doing the work on that and I look forward to
50:50 seeing the
50:51 website and if in ten years this ends up going bad this
50:55 experiment of AI I just
50:56 want it noted I am a good old-fashioned paper girl I like the
51:00 books in the
51:00 classroom of the teacher so just putting that out there so we’ll
51:02 have to see how
51:03 it goes right so I think with that I agree with you
51:10 miss Campbell I think the main concern that in AI is not so much
51:15 the
51:15 advancements that it can do in helping with a lot of our
51:17 departments and stuff
51:18 like that but where I do feel it is is the encroachment on the
51:21 parental control
51:22 also with the data of our students being utilized in a way that
51:26 we don’t want I
51:27 know mr. Cheatham is way ahead of that and we’ve never done that
51:30 as a district
51:31 but keeping our eye on that is really good and just wanted to
51:34 mention that to
51:35 you too so with that you guys said anybody else I just don’t
51:39 like it I’m
51:39 chiming in coming in 11th hour sir I just think that we also
51:43 would be
51:43 short-sighted if we don’t look at ways to maximize AI for our
51:47 students too
51:48 because it’s it’s the future and it’s and it’s only it’s growing
51:52 every day and
51:53 that the sophistication is growing every day and I just think
51:57 that that it’s it’s
51:58 here to stay and if we want our kids to be on the cutting edge
52:00 of the future we
52:00 need to make sure that they’re on the cutting edge so yes we
52:03 have all four
52:04 having safeguards and making sure that you know we’re protecting
52:07 them but we
52:08 also need to make sure we’re open to maximizing its use to in my
52:11 opinion I
52:12 imagine closed AI is probably going to be probably the way
52:16 starting out just so
52:17 that we can protect the students but yeah they absolutely have
52:20 to have the
52:20 opportunity to try to use it for sure
52:24 all right any other board member wish to discuss any other item
52:27 dr. Rendell did
52:28 you have anything yeah but that was coming to you anybody else
52:37 is that it
52:38 okay dr. Endell
53:08 where we had to take the system offline for several days
53:17 and the software for instruction
53:21 order in the semester
53:25 lost that service for several days
53:29 we can join in
53:38 against that loss of services
53:42 I can get mr. team to come back up to the microphone if need to
53:45 talk about what
53:46 his team needed to do to make sure we you know our data was
53:50 protected during
53:50 that time
53:56 to monitor and make sure we were safe so if we don’t we’re not
54:03 aware of any
54:06 damages as far as
54:14 or not and I think so the reason we’re not waiting on this is we
54:19 want to raise
54:20 your attention as soon as possible because we’re going to be a
54:23 part of the
54:24 lawsuit and jump in this is one of those legal actions involved
54:30 in this place but
54:31 we don’t it doesn’t cost us anyone
54:36 successful
54:41 money from that
54:50 all you want to share no it’s a contingency agreement just like
54:55 jewel so
54:55 they’ll get paid out if they win a proportion set by the court
54:59 usually on
54:59 these cross-section mr. team if you can give us a so high level
55:10 so when we were
55:12 alerted to the the canvas breach naturally first question is
55:17 what what
55:17 data was impacted no sensitive data from Brevard was impacted
55:22 some student emails
55:23 are impacted but no sensitive data was impacted so that was good
55:29 they
55:29 communicated to us pretty quickly what their solution was out of
55:33 the gate that
55:34 was a turn off some free for teacher tools and as we reviewed
55:39 the fix we
55:40 didn’t feel that fix was going to completely stop what had
55:45 happened
55:45 because if the free for teachers tools could be used to get that
55:50 far into the
55:51 data what happens to the the actual regular teacher accounts
55:55 because some
55:55 teachers have free accounts and normal accounts and some of
55:58 these same passwords
55:59 for both so we made that decision to to go ahead and shut it
56:03 down for I think
56:04 this was a Thursday or Friday knowing that they were still
56:07 investigating they
56:09 weren’t sure the level of the breach we didn’t want there to be
56:13 more information
56:13 released over the weekend and no one here to secure our systems
56:17 so we made
56:17 the decision to to shut it down over the weekend when we came
56:21 back on Monday we
56:22 waited here some more information from canvas since they did a
56:25 lot more
56:25 investigation over the weekend once we felt a little bit better
56:29 about some of
56:30 the actions that they took then we we turn the systems back on
56:33 but through an
56:35 abundance of caution we kept it down over the weekend because
56:38 again if
56:38 something were to happen and no one’s in the building to turn a
56:41 system off that
56:42 that’s that’s bad for us so we made that decision do you know
56:46 what ever happened
56:47 to this shiny hunters were they caught no I don’t think so I’m
56:54 pretty sure
56:55 they’re weren’t caught yeah I won’t go too much further I’m
57:00 pretty sure they
57:00 weren’t caught they’re still actively working yeah I I just wish
57:06 and I know
57:07 it’s difficult but I wish law enforcement was able to or some
57:11 branch
57:11 of something was able to catch these people because it just
57:14 happens over and
57:15 over again my on my side the Salesforce got hit and so our our
57:20 data systems for
57:22 the place that I work for was was was hit pretty good and we had
57:26 to go down
57:27 and it caused a little bit of chaos but you know it’s ultimately
57:30 these groups
57:31 that are coming out and doing this and then we we hit the
57:34 company who was not
57:35 trying to but where I saw inside the note was is that they said
57:38 oh no
57:38 everything’s fine and then all of a sudden they got hit again so
57:41 I think the
57:41 miscommunication over what is factual and not you know what I
57:44 mean I don’t know
57:45 I’m bored what do you think I’m not pursuing anybody but if
57:50 there’s
57:51 something that they did that I felt was was wrong what do we
57:54 think mr. chair yes
57:57 sir I was curious you know I know you probably just your own
58:00 personal opinion
58:01 but is it appear that they were negligent and they’re in their
58:05 duties
58:06 or to protect us or is it just was showing the hunters just
58:10 really good at
58:12 finding their way into the system and they thought they were out
58:14 and they
58:14 really weren’t out and so there the bad guys are getting really
58:17 good and they’re
58:18 using AI to get better right now a lot of educational vendors
58:23 filette and some
58:24 others there’s a lot of vendors that are are dealing with very
58:28 similar activities
58:29 with Salesforce and some of the other things like that it’s a
58:34 non-stop if you
58:36 ask any CIO across the state of Florida especially in education
58:40 this is what
58:40 keeps them up at night naturally education isn’t funded to be
58:45 you know a
58:45 top-of-the-line cybersecurity you know experts type of things
58:49 like that our
58:50 focus is on educating our students so we put a lot of our
58:52 priority and resources
58:53 there the bad guys know that so you know they like to think we’re
58:58 easy target
58:59 getting a hold of student information is also pretty good for
59:03 them because no
59:05 one checks a ten-year-old’s credit report for quite some time
59:08 and so if
59:08 they can get that information there they’re often running so
59:12 they they come
59:13 after it a lot we have a lot of systems in place here but it’s a
59:16 little bit
59:17 different for us because they’re not attacking what they are
59:20 attacking us
59:20 they’re not having any success but they’re having success attack
59:23 attacking
59:23 our vendors which yes it’s pretty tough because we’re doing a
59:26 good job here at
59:27 home but the vendors are the ones that are getting hit and my my
59:31 concern is is
59:32 that if they didn’t do anything grossly negligent that that we
59:37 jump into
59:37 lawsuits like this and eventually it’s gonna make all of our
59:40 costs go up
59:40 because our vendors are gonna have just like you do for personal
59:44 injury you know
59:44 if you get hit by enough attorneys cut costs or could start
59:47 going up so I just
59:49 be my concern is that that we jump onto something that they
59:51 weren’t if they
59:52 weren’t grossly negligent I know companies that have gotten hit
59:55 cyber
59:55 attacked and they did every safeguard they thought possible and
59:58 they still got
59:59 nailed so I as one of the board members who was here when we
1:00:04 went for the jewel
1:00:05 since this has been compared to jewel to me jewel was a lot
1:00:08 easier to decide
1:00:08 because the company itself was intentionally marketing like it
1:00:16 was
1:00:16 discovered they were going out and borrowing the playbook at the
1:00:20 tobacco
1:00:20 industry they were marketing to children we already had damaged
1:00:25 that we know it
1:00:26 was being done but students being addicted to these vapes it was
1:00:31 causing
1:00:31 discipline problems I mean that’s why we that was one of the
1:00:34 main things was what
1:00:35 you know what what is it costing us as a district for this to be
1:00:38 here it was that
1:00:39 they were actively doing we in this case the we’re not suing
1:00:44 shiny hunters to me
1:00:45 shiny hunters is the jewel right it’s the company that got
1:00:50 hacked by the bad
1:00:51 guys right this one’s a little bit harder for me to to go after
1:00:55 for reasons
1:00:57 mr. Thomas said that also it unlike with the jewel case we may
1:01:01 have damages we
1:01:03 don’t know and so this one’s not as clear-cut for me so I’m
1:01:08 having a harder
1:01:09 time you know jumping on board with this one like said Jules the
1:01:12 damages were
1:01:13 clear these were these were people with just really no good
1:01:16 intent whatsoever who
1:01:18 were targeting our children and causing harm and expense and
1:01:22 time and distraction
1:01:23 all kinds of things for the district and this is a potential so
1:01:27 I’m I’m not sure
1:01:29 about this mr. Trump yeah I’m gonna echo the same I’m not I don’t
1:01:35 feel
1:01:35 comfortable going after the the victim I think we’re both
1:01:39 victims it’s the shiny
1:01:41 dudes and mr. Susan I I know somebody has also been a victim my
1:01:47 son’s a doctor
1:01:47 and his entire presence thousands of doctors that could not see
1:01:51 patients for
1:01:51 almost a week because of something similar to this and I would
1:01:55 hate for
1:01:55 them to go after you know the victims and so I’m just not
1:01:58 comfortable with
1:01:59 going forward and being part of the lawsuit to take advantage of
1:02:03 this right
1:02:04 yeah I tend to lay in the same arena I guess one of the things
1:02:08 though that the
1:02:09 data that was that was potentially compromised you know a
1:02:12 student
1:02:13 information and as you stated right a ten-year-old credit
1:02:15 reports not being
1:02:16 pulled so is there a way that there’s any kind of protection so
1:02:21 if it’s
1:02:21 discovered any kind of credit monitoring service or things like
1:02:24 that that could
1:02:24 come about if we were to join this to be able to make sure
1:02:27 because really it’s
1:02:28 not it’s not the school district so much it’s the kids
1:02:30 information or the
1:02:31 teachers information that potentially got exposed and is out
1:02:35 there so what are
1:02:36 we gonna do to make sure that they are being protected moving
1:02:38 forward right so
1:02:40 is there a way to look at setting the lawsuit up or being a part
1:02:43 of it only
1:02:44 for the agreement that we want our students information
1:02:47 protected and
1:02:48 monitored for a certain amount of time not that we’re trying to
1:02:50 necessarily
1:02:51 capitalize off of an unfortunate event but we want to make sure
1:02:54 that the kids
1:02:55 information is protected I think for me I hear that I think we
1:03:00 have three board
1:03:00 members that are like hey I don’t feel comfortable moving
1:03:03 forward but I think
1:03:04 this there’s a little bit there might be some more information
1:03:06 to this I echo the
1:03:09 same sentiments as you guys do and I think miss Wright is also
1:03:12 but she’s also
1:03:13 saying hey how can we protect our kids so would it be
1:03:16 appropriate for us to do
1:03:18 a little bit of digging and then possibly have some
1:03:21 conversations offline
1:03:22 with you and then maybe bring it back at the next board meeting
1:03:25 for more
1:03:25 discussion would that be okay with you guys I have some
1:03:28 questions I just don’t
1:03:29 want to ask them here to cause more problems that’s all yeah so
1:03:32 mr. chair we
1:03:33 brought this to today’s meeting because we don’t meet again for
1:03:36 three weeks I
1:03:37 think it is so you know when we were contacted last week we said
1:03:41 well we can
1:03:41 talk to the board on Tuesday if the board’s interested moving
1:03:44 forward then
1:03:45 we can join if the board’s not interested moving forward at
1:03:48 least
1:03:48 Tuesday we have plenty of time you know the lawsuits not gonna
1:03:51 be settled in a
1:03:51 week so we have plenty of time we can take a look at more of
1:03:56 like any more of
1:03:57 our data any more loss or whatever of service what damages did
1:04:01 we receive or
1:04:02 not receive or whatever that kind of thing so you’ll have to
1:04:05 make a decision
1:04:05 today but since we were meeting with you we wanted to at least
1:04:09 thank you the
1:04:10 opportunity no I would just like to see from our district
1:04:14 standpoint that what
1:04:15 what damages were incurred like how many student information was
1:04:19 potentially
1:04:20 exposed what did it cost our district in resources as far as I
1:04:23 know you guys were
1:04:24 scrambling behind the scenes to make sure everything was locked
1:04:26 down I think
1:04:27 that that information is probably useful for the board to make a
1:04:29 decision I think
1:04:30 one of the other things is the loss of service you know that’s
1:04:33 you know how
1:04:34 many of our students and teachers were truly impacted by canvas
1:04:37 being locked
1:04:38 down for three or four days if it really didn’t interrupt our
1:04:41 operations that
1:04:42 much then you know but if we went after talking to teachers and
1:04:46 students we find
1:04:47 that you know if final exams were delayed or senior projects or
1:04:51 whatever
1:04:51 like there was a big impact curriculum wise that’s why we paid
1:04:54 for the service
1:04:55 yep you know then that’s something we can consider I think so I
1:04:58 think if you’ll
1:04:59 do that that’d be great all right any other board member wish to
1:05:03 have anything
1:05:03 else to discuss all right seeing no further business this
1:05:07 meeting is adjourned
1:05:33 you