Updates on the Fight for Quality Public Education in Brevard County, FL
0:00 Thank you.
13:00 On order, Paul, roll call, please.
13:29 Thank you.
33:29 amendment rights and so if we need to and mr. Cheatham email me
33:08 back and I
33:09 think you clarified this the intent was on district network
33:13 devices and things
33:15 like that but the way it reads students are and staff are
33:18 prohibited in the use
33:18 of AI from generating false or knowingly misleading
33:22 representations of other
33:23 students staff volunteers board members that are reasonably
33:25 interpreted as
33:25 derogatory threatening blah blah blah and then distributing
33:29 through any means
33:30 for example via social media regardless of whether distributed
33:33 create the
33:33 depictions themselves and so the scenario and then and
33:36 especially since
33:36 it’s followed up immediately with letter M which tells that
33:39 violation of the policy
33:40 can result in disciplinary consequences now mr. Cheatham
33:44 clarified that this was
33:46 the intention of this was there not to be using district network
33:49 district devices to
33:51 do these things but then even if it was outside of school if it
33:54 crossed a yeah
33:57 cross the line that brought it back into the education right
34:00 right if it brings you
34:02 know like cyber bullying or a disruption on campus it can
34:05 qualify for disruption but
34:07 in this kind of the scenario I gave was you know if someone took
34:11 one of these AI
34:12 generated lovely political cartoons and shared it on their
34:17 personal Facebook page it
34:18 seemed like would violate this policy but it can’t we can’t
34:21 right we can’t govern
34:22 people’s even people who are employed by us our students their
34:26 use of their own
34:26 devices so I just wanted to make sure and I know if it would
34:29 make sense just to change the
34:31 title non-academic use of AI on district resources if that would
34:36 be but hang on if
34:37 if an individual and if I may yeah I’m sorry are you finished
34:40 that that was pretty
34:41 much it though my suggestion was could we just add something to
34:43 the title of it to
34:44 make that clear for clarification if I’m a student and somehow I
34:49 utilize my phone to
34:50 send derogatory information about another student that’s in
34:53 school you’re saying you
34:55 don’t want this to apply to that if I use my own device if you
35:00 so there are ways that
35:01 it could be it would be classified in certain circumstances as
35:05 like it could go
35:06 under bullying it could go under harassment cyber harassment I
35:10 think we have a separate
35:10 you know all the things we have there but just I think this is
35:16 stating if I may yeah that this is the use of AI in a way to
35:21 manipulate a fact about something that was set up to harm
35:21 another student or staff or somebody else or a staff member
35:26 using it or somebody else I
35:27 I didn’t see like because because we do see people using at a
35:32 football game like
35:32 that’s not you know we’re allowed to have our cell phones at a
35:34 football game what if
35:36 they take a picture start spreading it there you know at the
35:38 football game stuff
35:39 like that I think this covers those I guess extracurricular
35:48 activities the
35:49 sporting cat activities those kind of things where might not be
35:53 between them so
35:54 Mike my question is this is actually saying the use of AI to
35:58 create the images
35:59 is what is prohibited there and just again use the example that
36:05 I gave we have
36:06 derogatory AI generated political cartoons going around if one
36:10 of our staff
36:11 members grab one that political cartoon and shared it on their
36:15 own device in their
36:16 own time if we left this the way it is we’re saying that’s
36:20 against policy because
36:22 they’re and it’s derogatory it’s insulting to board members I
36:25 mean kind of it but I
36:27 don’t think that we can actually do that what you’re talking
36:31 about a scenario where
36:32 someone would do that and they would maybe take another student
36:34 and they would be
36:34 passing around it could it could violate all kinds of policies
36:38 but not this one because
36:42 if it if they were cyber bullying someone right if they were
36:45 threatening someone if they were
36:47 doing whatever whatever that is but in their own time on their
36:51 own devices their own accounts
36:55 that’s that’s different I think we’re running into first
36:57 amendment issues Paul might I mean
37:00 yeah I mean you’re gonna have to be careful no matter what when
37:03 it comes to this it’s just like the cheerleader case
37:05 on Facebook you know cussing the principal and cheerleading
37:08 coach it was deemed first amendment
37:13 expression and protected so if it doesn’t create a disruption if
37:17 it creates a disruption on campus and
37:18 it bleeds onto campus if it’s after hours and we we have
37:21 jurisdiction over it it’s just going to be
37:23 fact specific no matter what we do we can certainly try and
37:26 clarify the language and
37:27 say what’s explicitly prohibited they’re certainly free to say
37:32 you cannot use AI to do these things on our devices that’s we
37:36 control those so if it’s our computer whether at home or not and
37:40 they’re using our devices that
37:42 would be a violation of our technology so they’d get for
37:45 violation of technology use in that case so with that so to
37:48 clarify
37:48 what I’m asking could we add at the on on the title for letter L
37:54 non-academic of use
37:55 you’ve got a non-academic use of AI on district resources but
37:59 that cover laptops and the network and you could but I don’t
38:03 know that
38:03 that’s that would be more like you’re trying to only restrict
38:07 its use I think
38:08 there’s going to be multiple uses that we would just need to try
38:12 and say hey
38:12 you’re not allowed to do any of these things on district devices
38:15 but if you do
38:15 these on personal devices and it impacts the school district
38:18 environment you’re
38:19 going to be disciplined so I mean we’re going to have to try and
38:21 thread that a
38:22 little bit and also I think it also ties in when staff members
38:27 or volunteers or
38:28 anybody are identifying themselves as a part of it sometimes I
38:31 know one of the
38:31 delineating factors is is when somebody on their website or
38:34 their Facebook page
38:35 says I am a teacher of BPS and then starts posting that is a
38:39 different than
38:40 somebody who just has a personal device it says nothing about
38:43 that and then it’s
38:44 posting so I do I’m not I’m not so concerned about board numbers
38:48 like we get
38:49 hit all the time but I am concerned about students or staff
38:53 members using AI in a
38:54 false way to perpetuate hate and other things on their personal
38:58 devices I think
38:58 this allows us to get there I think in having our district
39:02 determine if it’s
39:03 going to get us into that would be what I think what I think
39:08 Paul is saying like we
39:09 would get it and then Paul would review it to see if it violates
39:12 the first amendment right
39:13 of that individual and if not then we move forward is that kind
39:16 of what you’re thinking
39:17 Paul is what I could hear you I mean no matter what yeah it’s
39:19 going to be a heavy fact intensive
39:21 inquiry on on anything to do with expression and AI and all that
39:25 we have to look at it now if it’s on
39:27 our device like I said they can certainly clarify and say you’re
39:30 not allowed to use AI to
39:31 generate any of these images on our computers or devices that we
39:35 send home or they have access to that
39:37 that can just be a straight violation if they’re at home out of
39:40 school off our campuses we don’t have
39:43 control over them we’re going to have to be careful about how
39:46 you go about disciplining and we’re going
39:48 to have to look at it and we can certainly work on some language
39:51 before the next bringing this back
39:53 the next time to try and clarify all of this in a way that is
39:58 clear I think and even it could I would
40:01 suggest maybe it could even be incorporated and scratch the way
40:03 that I just suggested you know if we can put
40:05 some work in the district resources but then add a line that
40:09 says what you said you know students and
40:11 staff should be aware that you know even on their own devices in
40:15 their own time their own accounts
40:17 it could lead potentially to discipline if it right right you
40:22 refer to student code of conduct or the
40:25 staff ethics policy whatever but I just think I as it is I’m
40:29 seeing some first amendment issues because we
40:33 I would also say that if there was an individual out there that
40:36 was posting false statements that
40:38 then led to families leaving our schools if that individual was
40:42 a part of our school district even
40:43 though they’re doing it on their personal device that may be
40:45 something that we would be able to show
40:47 there was an impact to the school environment that created it it
40:51 has to create the disruption on
40:52 campus so if it doesn’t create a disruption on campus there’s
40:56 not going to be a lot we can do with it
40:57 we’ll talk about it all right so you’re going to bring that back
41:00 that portion yeah okay
41:01 thank you anybody else got anything on this one
41:04 no no i am i’ve got a ton of resources when we had our coalition
41:13 meeting a couple weeks weeks ago
41:15 i asked for the different districts to kind of send what they
41:18 were working on a lot of them just used
41:20 neola policy some of them were like really short and outdated
41:22 but i’ve got a few things from marion
41:25 county and polk and seminal in particular and if you don’t mind
41:28 i’m going to send them to you i know
41:29 you already had the committee work which i think you’re going to
41:31 share with us in just a minute but
41:32 i’m going to share those with you mr cheatham sounds good after
41:35 the meeting jean megan are you there you
41:40 guys so i had a couple of things um we talk around ai and
41:45 consent and things like that from the parents
41:49 right uh mr cheatham when in regards to family members as a
41:54 parent if i don’t want my child to
41:58 have to take and utilize ai in a way that i might find offensive
42:03 is there an opt-out form that we can
42:05 use there is an opt-out for uh internet use within the district
42:09 it is becoming more and more difficult
42:11 to to support that just because so much of our curriculum is now
42:16 digital um we will we’ll still
42:19 honor it and work work our way through it but it’s becoming more
42:22 and more difficult just because so much
42:23 of our curriculum content is digital so if a parent were to opt
42:27 out of their student getting
42:28 on the internet it makes it very difficult for some courses it’s
42:32 very difficult because all of the
42:34 the content is digital at this point but no i understand that
42:38 for me the parental consent is
42:40 wrapped more around um there’s a lot of things that are
42:44 developed through ai and stuff like that
42:46 that they may find are not appropriate right so maybe there’s an
42:50 opportunity for us to allow i guess
42:52 if you’re saying through that they automatically say they no
42:55 longer want to deal with wireless that’s one
42:57 thing but there’s another wave of we know we just don’t want to
43:01 have a utilization of ai in any of my
43:04 child’s stuff so and again it just difficult because every
43:07 company right now is saying they use ai
43:10 even in some cases when they it’s just good programming but they
43:14 still that’s kind of a selling point
43:16 for most of our vendors is that hey we use ai we use ai um so it
43:20 will take a lot of things off the shelf
43:22 whether it’s truly using ai or not but that it’s it’s it’s the
43:26 hot item right now every vendor is
43:28 pretty much saying they there’s ai incorporated into their
43:31 solution um i’m not i don’t yeah and maybe i
43:35 should do a better job of of clarifying it’s not that you know
43:39 the ai that’s developed for our school
43:42 districts curriculum already that enhances it whatever is one
43:46 thing but to put together an ai driven
43:49 assignment that is pulling away i think is where that teeth
43:52 comes from understand um because of the
43:55 fear that there’s certain things there i’ll follow up with you
43:58 on that yeah and we limit quite a bit
43:59 what our students can have access to right now our teachers have
44:02 more access because we want them to
44:04 learn how to incorporate that into their instruction but on the
44:06 student side it is locked down quite a bit
44:08 right now absolutely and then i did notice in the way they’ve
44:12 written the policy as of right now um we
44:16 would only be allowing the closed um the closed ai things like
44:20 maybe notebook lm i don’t know if we
44:23 use that one utilize that one but that’s one that like it only
44:26 pulls from resources that you put in
44:28 it doesn’t go out into the internet yeah pull things in would
44:31 that be am i that’s correct yeah open ai is
44:35 just it’s it’s a little too dangerous just to let our students
44:38 on that because you you never know
44:40 what the results are going to be from one day to the next right
44:42 that’s that’s the fear that’s the fear
44:45 okay um all right and then at no point mr cheatham is any of our
44:50 student data being given to third
44:53 party ai organizations to be utilized for sales or anything like
44:57 that correct should not be we
44:59 we have dpas with every vendor that we go into to business with
45:03 and it outlines the the things they
45:04 can and cannot do with our data and selling our data is never an
45:08 option okay and we don’t sell our
45:10 data to another organization absolutely not got it just wanted
45:12 to verify i knew that that was right
45:14 all right um and who has the authority to approve the ai that is
45:20 brought to the school district is that
45:23 dr rendell um is that you guys like that that whole i’m a
45:27 teacher i want to bring this program is that
45:31 the principal who is that that typically it comes through et um
45:34 if it’s concerning i’ll take it to
45:36 dr rendell and we’ll have a discussion about it to make sure it
45:39 it meets the needs of the school
45:40 district and there’s not too much risk involved but um we’re not
45:43 doing a lot of true open ai right now
45:45 as a district okay i might get back up with you on there and
45:50 then okay all right there’s one other
45:54 piece but i think it this already addresses it all right anybody
45:57 else have anything all right
46:01 get back to my script so if i could just touch on one of the
46:04 other things we’re doing once this um
46:06 policy goes into effect we’ll also be standing up a website that
46:11 will be giving our parents students
46:13 and the community some of our guidelines around ai just kind of
46:16 starting to build that framework so
46:18 they can understand what we will allow what we won’t allow what
46:21 we hope to accomplish what we want
46:22 our students to accomplish what our teachers can do with it but
46:26 just so that we can kind of bring
46:27 everyone together because it’s uh if you talk to other districts
46:30 everyone’s struggling with ai and how
46:32 to really get their hands around this um so we just thought it’s
46:35 a good idea to at least communicate
46:38 where we are where we’re going where we hope to go um and along
46:41 the way we’ll communicate the
46:42 principles of ai uh what we’d like to see in the classroom how
46:46 students should reference ai if
46:48 they decide to use it um you know so it’s not looked at as plagiarism
46:51 and things like that but
46:52 just want to be as clear as possible what we will allow um just
46:56 so that people just kind of don’t
46:58 take a wrong turn so okay like good old-fashioned textbooks and
47:05 paper and uh where you have to bring
47:09 up i have to bring up though because ever since we’ve had all
47:11 these ai conversations i’m like hey you
47:13 know what the original ai and school work was spell check it’s
47:17 came in at the simplest simplest easiest
47:22 thing and yep now it’s taking it over mr cheatham if you could
47:26 speak to the meetings and stuff like
47:28 that that we had to develop this policy if you had a second one
47:30 of the cool things we just did we just
47:32 had a ai um innovation and implementation meeting uh et working
47:38 with hr had a lot of school or district
47:41 leaders from this building uh take part in pretty much a day-long
47:47 ai exploratory type of event um also
47:50 had uh dr sachs from fau come down we discuss ai agents and how
47:54 agents of are being used to to help
47:57 do some work that day i think we focus on um ieps and things
48:01 like that um but we really thought we
48:03 should start here at this building uh because if if we if we can
48:08 figure out ways to use ai in a leadership
48:10 capacity that will filter down to schools but at the same time
48:13 we have to figure out does it work um and
48:17 when it comes to ai the the school can’t really be the location
48:20 where we you know do the first test
48:22 so just just trying some things out it was a great meeting um a
48:26 lot of different perspectives
48:28 um i believe there was yes there was someone from pretty much
48:31 every department involved in that
48:33 meeting and we discussed how does ai impact your world how can
48:37 it impact your world how should it
48:38 impact your world and we’re trying to build out some projects
48:41 just to do some additional testing at
48:44 the district office so that we can better understand how it
48:46 might impact schools
48:47 so it’s a great meeting it was the first meeting um and we hope
48:50 to kind of filter that down into the
48:52 schools as we get better at it yeah i thank you uh mr just just
48:57 a few minutes because i mean i we’ve
49:00 all seen the scary things um but until you’ve started using
49:05 things and i know i know mr thomas has has
49:08 been a user right of ai for different resources i mean there’s
49:11 all different things that you can really
49:12 enhance productivity and so as long as we’re keeping things open
49:17 you know we it’s it is fair and right
49:19 for us to put the guardrails on um but you know for example it’s
49:22 like you know we have really long
49:24 complex documents um and you know we throw uh the text of a long
49:30 complex document into and i’m not
49:32 talking about a student’s iep but let’s say some of our policies
49:35 policies whatever we want them to be more
49:37 easily interpreted for parents with a community and we throw
49:40 that into grok claude whatever your chat gpt
49:44 and say you know we can’t you can’t let our students do that but
49:49 say create a bulleted list of you know
49:51 wait in layman’s terms right these are some these are some ways
49:55 that um and then it does it in a split
49:57 second right digests uh mountains of information and you can
50:01 pull it down to the core things that
50:04 a community member might need to know um we just don’t need to
50:07 be afraid of it i’m you know but we
50:09 need to be cautious right it i don’t if it’s a tool that will
50:13 help with productivity with our departments
50:15 especially in the age where we’re cutting this and we’re cutting
50:18 that um if it can be used for
50:20 productivity i i’m all for it with the guardrails right i
50:23 definitely don’t want to be a district that says
50:25 nope and close the door because that’s just ignorant i mean it’s
50:28 here what are we going to do with it
50:30 how are we going to protect our students primarily how we’re
50:33 going to protect our information our
50:35 cyber security all of that um while opening the doors for people
50:41 to use it to make our our district
50:42 more efficient and um in time and money and effort so i
50:47 appreciate you guys doing the work on that and
50:50 i look forward to seeing the the website and if in 10 years this
50:54 ends up going bad this experiment
50:56 of ai i just want it noted i am a good old-fashioned paper girl
50:59 i like the books in the classroom and the
51:01 teacher so just putting that out there so we’ll have to see how
51:03 it goes right there you go jane so i think
51:07 with that i agree with you um miss campbell i think the main
51:12 concern that in ai is not so much the
51:15 advancements that it can do in helping with a lot of our
51:17 departments and stuff like that but where i do
51:20 feel it is is the encroachment on the parental control also with
51:23 the data of our students being
51:25 utilized in a way that we don’t want i know mr cheatham is way
51:28 ahead of that and we’ve never done that
51:30 as a district but keeping our eye on that is um really good and
51:33 just wanted to mention that to you
51:35 too so with that you guys said anybody else i just i’ll look at
51:39 i’m chiming in uh coming in the 11th hour here i just think that
51:42 we also would be short
51:44 sided if we don’t look at ways to maximize ai for our students
51:47 too because it’s uh it’s the future
51:49 and it’s and it’s only it’s growing every day and the the
51:53 sophistication is growing every day and i just
51:56 think that that it’s it’s here to stay and if we want our kids
51:58 to be on the cutting edge of the future
52:00 we need to make sure that they’re on the cutting edge so yes we
52:03 i’m all for having safeguards and
52:05 making sure that you know we’re protecting them but we also need
52:08 to make sure we’re open to maximizing
52:10 it’s used to in my opinion i imagine closed ai is probably going
52:14 to be probably the way starting out
52:17 just so that we can protect the students but yeah they
52:19 absolutely have to have the opportunity to try
52:21 to use it for sure all right any other board member wish to
52:25 discuss any other item dr rendell did you
52:28 have anything we have the additional topic to discuss potential
52:32 yeah but that was coming to you um anybody else is that it
52:39 okay dr rendell all right so um you know you guys late friday i
52:44 believe uh christian gibson and i were
52:47 contacted by the legal firm the lawyers that represented us in
52:53 the jewel lawsuit and
52:55 uh other districts that they represent considering the lawsuit
52:59 against the structure of canvas
53:03 the learning software program structures the parent company as
53:06 you’re aware that had data breach a couple
53:09 weeks ago we had to take the system offline for several days a
53:13 lot of our middle school and high
53:15 school students and teachers use the canvas software for
53:18 instruction assignments getting there at the end of the
53:21 quarter and semester so we lost that service for several days
53:27 and we can join in when we put our name in right
53:33 now to be a part of the class action you know velocity
53:37 replication against that for loss of services and
53:40 everything else i can get mr cheetah to come back up to the
53:43 microphone if need to to talk about
53:45 what his team needed to do to make sure we you know our data was
53:49 protected during that time
53:51 you know demand hours that they did
53:53 to monitor everything to make sure we were safe while
53:59 so you know we don’t we’re not aware of any
54:03 damages as far as
54:08 i think he can speak to whether we actually had information
54:14 shared or not and that kind of thing so um the reason we’re not
54:18 waiting on this is
54:19 we want to bring to your attention as soon as possible because
54:22 we’re going to
54:22 be a part of the lawsuit we need to jump in as soon as possible
54:26 and
54:26 this is one of those legal actions and paul can explain it’s
54:30 better on
54:31 we don’t it doesn’t cost us anyone you know if the lawsuit is
54:36 successful
54:37 litigation is successful then you know we’ll get a certain
54:41 amount of money from that and the lawyer fees will be made
54:44 to do that so if we wanted to jump in there’s no legal
54:47 toss up players like that paul anything you want to share
54:52 no it’s a contingency agreement just like jewel so they’ll get
54:56 paid out if they win
54:57 a proportion set by the court usually on these clause sections
55:03 so um high level so when uh when we were alerted to the the
55:13 canvas breach
55:14 naturally the first question is what what data was impacted
55:18 no sensitive data from brevard was impacted some student emails
55:23 were impacted but
55:24 no sensitive data was impacted so that was good
55:29 they communicated to us pretty quickly what their solution was
55:33 out of the gate
55:34 that was a turn off some free for teacher tools
55:37 and as we reviewed the fix we didn’t feel that fix was going to
55:42 completely
55:42 stop what had happened because if if the free for teachers
55:48 tools could be used to to get that far into the data
55:52 what happens to the the actual regular teacher accounts because
55:55 some teachers have free accounts
55:57 and normal accounts and some of them use the same passwords for
55:59 both so we made that decision to
56:01 to go ahead and shut it down for i think this was a thursday or
56:05 friday
56:05 knowing that they were still investigating they weren’t sure the
56:10 level of the breach
56:11 we didn’t want there to be more information released over the
56:14 weekend and no one here to
56:15 secure our systems so we made the decision to to shut it down
56:19 over the weekend when we came back on
56:21 monday we waited to hear some more information from canvas since
56:24 they did a lot more investigation over
56:26 the weekend once we felt a little bit better about some of the
56:30 actions that they took then we we turned the systems back on
56:33 but through an abundance of caution we we kept it down over the
56:37 weekend because again if something were to happen and
56:39 no one’s in the building to turn a system off that that’s that’s
56:43 bad for us so we made that decision
56:46 do you know whatever happened to the shiny hunters were they
56:48 caught
56:49 no i don’t uh i don’t think so i’m pretty sure they weren’t
56:55 caught um yeah i i won’t go too much
56:59 further i’m pretty sure they weren’t caught they’re still
57:01 actively working yeah i i just wish
57:06 uh and i know it’s difficult but i wish law enforcement was able
57:10 to or some branch of something was able to
57:12 catch these people because it just happens over and over again
57:16 my on my side the sales force got hit
57:18 and so our our data systems for the place that i work for was
57:23 was was hit pretty good and um we had to
57:26 go down and it caused a little bit of chaos but you know it’s
57:29 ultimately these groups that are coming
57:31 out and doing this and then we we hit the company who was not
57:35 trying to but where i saw inside the note
57:37 was is that they said oh no everything’s fine and then all of a
57:39 sudden they got hit again
57:41 so i think the miscommunication over what is factual and not you
57:44 know what i mean i don’t know
57:45 i’ll just board what do you think i’m not pursuing anybody but
57:49 if there’s something that they did that
57:51 i felt was was wrong you know what i mean what do you think mr
57:56 chair yes sir i was just curious
57:58 you know i know you probably just your own personal opinion but
58:01 does it appear that they were negligent
58:04 and they’re in their duties or to protect us or is it just that
58:07 was shiny hunters just really uh
58:10 good at finding their way into the system and they thought they
58:13 were out and they really weren’t
58:14 out and so they’re the the bad guys are getting really good and
58:18 they’re using ai to get better um
58:20 right now a lot of educational vendors fallette and some others
58:24 um there’s a lot of vendors that are
58:27 are dealing with very similar activities with salesforce and
58:30 some of the other things like that
58:32 it’s a non-stop if you ask any cio across the state of florida
58:37 especially in education
58:39 this is what keeps them up at night um naturally education isn’t
58:44 funded to be you know top of the
58:46 line cyber security you know experts type of things like that
58:49 our focus is on educating our students so we put a
58:51 lot of our priority and resources there uh the bad guys know
58:55 that so uh you know they they like to
58:58 think we’re an easy target um getting a hold of student
59:01 information is is also pretty good for them
59:04 because no one checks a 10 year old’s credit report for quite
59:07 some time um so if they can get that
59:09 information they’re they’re off and running so they they they
59:13 come after it a lot we have a lot of
59:14 systems in place here but it’s a little bit different for us
59:17 because they’re not attacking what they’re
59:20 attacking us they’re not having any success but they’re having
59:22 success attacking our vendors
59:24 which you know it’s it’s pretty tough because we’re doing a good
59:27 job here at home but the vendors are
59:29 the ones that are getting hit and my my concern is is that if
59:32 they didn’t do anything grossly negligent
59:35 that um that we jump into lawsuits like this that eventually it’s
59:38 going to make all of our costs go up
59:41 because our vendors are going to just like you do for personal
59:44 injury you know if you get hit by enough
59:45 attorneys costs start going up so i’d just be my concern is that
59:49 we jump onto something that they
59:51 weren’t if they weren’t grossly negligent i know companies that
59:53 have gotten hit cyber attacked and
59:56 they did every safeguard they thought possible and they still
59:59 got nailed so i mean we have
1:00:00 as one of the board members who was here when we went for the
1:00:05 jewel since this has been compared to
1:00:06 jewel to me jewel was a lot easier to decide because um the
1:00:10 company itself was intentionally marketing like
1:00:16 it was discovered they were going out and borrowing the playbook
1:00:20 of the tobacco industry they were
1:00:22 marketing to children we already had damage that we know it was
1:00:26 being done of students being addicted to
1:00:28 these vapes um it was causing discipline problems i mean that’s
1:00:33 why we that was one of the main things
1:00:35 was what you know what what is it costing us as a district for
1:00:37 this to be here it was that they were
1:00:39 actively doing um we in this case the we’re not suing shiny
1:00:43 hunters to me shiny hunters is the jewel
1:00:47 right um it’s the company that got hacked by the bad guys right
1:00:51 um this one’s a little bit harder for me to
1:00:54 to go after for reasons mr um thomas said but also it unlike
1:00:59 with the jewel case we may have damages we
1:01:03 don’t know um and so i this one’s not as clear cut for me so i’m
1:01:08 i’m having a harder time you know
1:01:10 jumping on board with this one like said jewels the damages were
1:01:13 clear these were these were people with
1:01:15 just really no good intent whatsoever who were targeting their
1:01:18 children and causing harm uh and expense
1:01:22 and time and distraction all kinds of things for the district
1:01:25 and this is a potential so i’m i’m not
1:01:28 sure about this mr truant yeah i i’m gonna echo the same i’m not
1:01:33 i don’t feel comfortable going after
1:01:37 the the victim i think we’re we’re both victims it’s the the
1:01:42 shiny dudes and uh mr susan i i i know
1:01:45 somebody who’s also been a victim my son’s a doctor and his
1:01:48 entire presence thousands of doctors that could
1:01:50 not see patients for almost a week uh because of of something
1:01:53 similar to this and i would hate for
1:01:55 them to go after you know the victims and so i’m just not
1:01:58 comfortable with going forward and being
1:02:01 part of the lawsuit to take advantage of that’s right yeah i
1:02:05 tend to lay in the same arena i guess one of
1:02:08 the things though that the data that was that was potentially
1:02:11 compromised you know is student information
1:02:13 and as you stated right a 10 year old’s credit report’s not
1:02:16 being pulled so is there a way that
1:02:18 there’s any kind of protection so if if it’s discovered any kind
1:02:22 of credit monitoring service
1:02:23 or things like that that could come about if we were to join
1:02:26 this to be able to make sure because
1:02:27 really it’s not it’s not the school district so much it’s the
1:02:30 kids information or the teachers
1:02:32 information that potentially got exposed and is out there so
1:02:35 what are we going to do to make sure that
1:02:36 they’re being protected moving forward right so is there a way
1:02:40 to look at setting the lawsuit up or
1:02:42 being a part of it only for the agreement that we want our
1:02:45 students information protected and monitored
1:02:48 for a certain amount of time not that we’re trying to
1:02:51 necessarily capitalize off of an unfortunate event
1:02:54 but we want to make sure that the kids information is protected
1:02:56 i think for me um i hear that i think
1:03:00 we have three board members that are like hey i don’t feel
1:03:02 comfortable moving forward but i think this there’s a
1:03:04 little bit there might be some more information to this um i i
1:03:08 echo the same sentiments as you guys do
1:03:10 and i think miss wright is also but she’s also saying hey how
1:03:13 can we protect our kids so would it be
1:03:16 appropriate um for us to do a little bit of digging and then
1:03:19 possibly have some conversations offline with
1:03:22 you and then maybe bring it back at the next board meeting for
1:03:25 more discussion would that be okay with
1:03:27 you guys i have some questions i just don’t want to ask them
1:03:29 here to cause more problems that’s all yeah so mr
1:03:32 chair we brought this to today’s meeting because we don’t meet
1:03:35 again for three weeks i think it is
1:03:37 so you know when we were contacted last week we said well we can
1:03:41 talk to the board on tuesday
1:03:42 if the board’s interested in moving forward then we can join if
1:03:45 the board’s not interested in moving
1:03:47 forward at least tuesday we have plenty of time you know the
1:03:50 lawsuit’s not going to be settled in a week
1:03:52 so we have plenty of time we can take a look at more of like any
1:03:56 more of our data any more
1:03:58 loss or whatever of service what damages did we receive or not
1:04:01 receive or whatever that kind of
1:04:03 thing so you don’t have to make a decision today but since we
1:04:07 were meeting with you we wanted to at
1:04:08 least thank you give you the opportunity i appreciate that no i
1:04:12 would just like to see from our district
1:04:14 standpoint though what what damages were incurred like how many
1:04:18 student information was potentially
1:04:20 exposed what did it cost our district and resources as far as
1:04:22 because i know you guys were scrambling
1:04:24 behind the scenes to make sure everything was locked down i
1:04:26 think that that information is probably useful
1:04:28 for the board to to make a decision i think one of the other
1:04:31 things is the loss of service you know that’s
1:04:32 that’s you know how many of our students and teachers were truly
1:04:36 impacted by canvas being locked
1:04:38 down for three or four days if it really didn’t interrupt our
1:04:41 operations that much then you know but
1:04:43 if we went after talking to teachers and students we find that
1:04:46 you know if final exams were delayed or
1:04:50 senior projects or whatever like there was a big impact
1:04:53 curriculum wise that’s why we paid for the service
1:04:55 yep you know then that’s something we can consider i think so i
1:04:58 think if you’ll do that that’d be great
1:05:01 all right any other board member wish to have anything else to
1:05:03 discuss all right seeing no further business this meeting is
1:05:07 adjourned
1:05:31 you know
1:05:37 you