Updates on the Fight for Quality Public Education in Brevard County, FL
0:00 Thank you.
40:28 quick overview we’ve got five minutes um and so um just keep
40:24 that in mind as we go through but as
40:25 we think about building our culture of wellness this year there’s
40:29 three pillars that i really
40:30 wanted to make sure that we embed in everything that we do so as
40:34 we go on to our slides and think
40:35 about our activities these things were in the back of my mind
40:39 and the first is education of course
40:41 that’s going to be at the foundation of everything because we
40:45 want our staff to understand why these
40:47 things are important for them right understanding their own
40:49 numbers and why that that should matter
40:52 to them and preventive care but then also on the resources side
40:56 so that’s also part of what i will
40:58 be doing is sharing all of that information because they have so
41:02 much available to them but i want to
41:04 break it down little by little that way we make it more digestible
41:07 and easy for them to use everything
41:08 that they have available to them the second thing is engagement
41:11 i really want to work this year to
41:13 build more engagement um individually with you know the daily
41:17 things that the staff is doing and then
41:19 of course district-wide um in bigger events as well and
41:24 partnership um on the third pillar with
41:27 partnership i want to partner more with the wellness champions
41:30 on sites all of the district leadership
41:32 to help promote some of these wellness initiatives and then of
41:36 course community partnerships to bring in
41:39 additional resources and activities for our staff to be able to
41:43 do all throughout brevard and so please
41:48 keep in mind with this slide that as i talk about just the
41:51 different quarters of the year again this is
41:53 a very broad overview the calendar is more detailed but a couple
41:58 of things there of course i wanted to fit
42:00 everything in the time um but as we go through all of these
42:04 things this is a working draft as we work
42:06 together and make wellness a team effort this year um any you
42:10 know feedback suggestions anything like that
42:13 it can be edited so but what i wanted to share here is we want
42:17 to think about each quarter as another wave of
42:22 preventive care uh campaign so even though each month is a
42:27 different wellness topic and you can see those at
42:30 the top those are based on um different health observances
42:33 throughout the year so we’re matching that
42:36 but even as we’re talking about different things we still want
42:38 to bring it back to preventive care at
42:40 the end of the day um and so for quarter one we’re starting off
42:44 strong with preventive care heart
42:46 health and nutrition to really get the foundation and basis pay
42:50 sticks going um on our health literacy and
42:53 resources we want them to be aware of different health screenings
42:57 that they can be doing for preventive
42:59 care how to understand their biometric numbers how to use mysigna
43:03 how to really know where should they be
43:06 going is telehealth better should they be going to the urgent
43:09 care versus er different things like that
43:11 and then activities to get more engagement we have our google
43:14 challenge which is currently happening
43:16 we have more than 1400 people already signed up so that’s really
43:21 exciting um and for february we
43:24 will be doing the feel good february and then in march we will
43:27 have the space coast wellness challenge
43:29 for feel good february and space coast wellness challenge these
43:32 are going to be free or reduced cost
43:34 activities all throughout brevard for all of our staff so it’s a
43:38 really great partnership with the
43:40 community to be able to bring that to them and then quarter two
43:44 then we get into more financial
43:46 well-being mental health and then in june men’s health so with
43:50 this i really wanted to help employees
43:53 understand more about insurance and how that relates to their
43:57 finances how to be able to use their
44:00 motivate me and get some of that back to them of course
44:03 encourage them to use their eap for mental health month
44:06 and then do a summer preventive care campaign so as they go into
44:11 the summer this is a perfect time
44:13 for you to be able to go to the doctor and get those things if
44:16 you weren’t able to do it
44:17 throughout you know the first quarter and different activities
44:21 we’ll still be doing the space coast
44:23 wellness challenge at that point and i would love to build some
44:25 community partnerships to bring
44:27 more summer activities and then for the financial well-being
44:32 month which will be april that one
44:34 um there’s also community uh partnerships there i know community
44:38 credit union for example they do offer
44:41 that and so i really want to bring that um to our staff quarter
44:44 three july is um skin cancer awareness
44:49 and then coming back into the fall again another preventive care
44:53 campaign it’s a back to school this
44:55 is a perfect time to take care of our immunity um self-care and
44:59 being able to even visit the doctor so
45:02 again back to our health screenings we want to you know figure
45:06 out how to use my signa how to find a doctor all of these great
45:09 things
45:10 um throughout the summer too uh we have the diabetes self-management
45:16 program that if all of that you know
45:18 gets approved by the team we will have that so that’ll be
45:22 wonderful i would love to do a fall wellness
45:24 festival which is essentially a health fair but make it more fun
45:28 attractive for families um and of course
45:31 a walktober challenge which was a huge hit last year so we will
45:35 be doing that again fourth quarter
45:37 is ending the year on a great wellness note we still will have
45:42 that walktober challenge going on
45:44 um and then we can end up in the year doing another two miler
45:48 like we did last year or
45:50 we can actually do other things like a sports day bringing
45:54 community partners and you know share some
45:57 more wellness resources there um that quarter is more about the
46:01 breast and cervical cancer for women’s
46:03 health month in october and then heli uh i’m so sorry healthy
46:08 holidays because as we really think about
46:11 our staff and diabetes and head blood pressure the holidays is
46:15 that time where we’re eating all of
46:17 that salt and the sugar and so i really want that to be a part
46:20 of the campaign to make sure that you
46:23 know everything that we’ve worked for um you know continues
46:26 during the holidays as well and then
46:28 preparing for the following year so i just wanted to end it here
46:32 with uh the great initiative feel good
46:34 february that we are partnering with get healthy reward for in
46:38 february next month for heart health month
46:42 and basically this is a free and low cost activities that will
46:47 be available to all of the brevard community
46:50 and of course i’ll be sharing this with our staff it is a
46:54 collaboration done from the florida
46:56 department of health in brevard county uf ifas extension in brevard
47:01 county tobacco free brevard
47:03 and running zone along with us and basically it includes all of
47:06 those free activities like group
47:08 walks out throughout brevard zumba yoga doing planting even a
47:13 beach cleanup and all of that leading to a
47:15 community health fair on saturday february 28th so that will be
47:20 a great supplement to our google challenge
47:22 because these are activities that will be after hours they can
47:26 do it after work or on the weekends
47:29 and so you know it doesn’t take a lot of the time throughout the
47:32 day and because they’re so busy so it’s a
47:34 really good um way to get their cardio up for february and we’re
47:38 really looking forward to that
47:40 okay well thank you um hopefully i was able to get those five
47:45 minutes so thank you so much for
47:48 everything that you all are doing we really are trying to make
47:51 wellness a team effort this year so if
47:53 you have any thoughts or questions anything please do let us
47:56 know thank you more members any questions yeah i
48:01 just think it would be a good time to remind the board that it’s
48:04 not too late to sign up for the go
48:05 gold challenge it started yesterday but i have to say after our
48:09 record our record placement in the
48:11 walktober challenge i don’t think we’ve ever scored so high as a
48:14 team lena’s already sent us out the
48:15 invitation i haven’t joined the team yet but i’m signed up you
48:18 know now if you’re not going to walk don’t
48:19 sign up you don’t want to ruin our average um but uh board and i
48:23 think the legal staff will usually join
48:25 together um not just because not just for the honor and fame of
48:29 it but honestly i’ve always thought we
48:31 should do this to set a good example for our staff that
48:35 leadership values our health and we want to set
48:38 an example for participating in these challenges and
48:41 participating in the events and so i always
48:43 appreciate that you guys include us uh in this process and um i
48:47 from the people who engage they love
48:50 these they do they really encourage one another yeah i think the
48:54 challenge is how do we get more people
48:55 who aren’t engaged engaged so um and i think we’ve got these
48:59 wellness coordinators at every site that
49:02 are kind of the liaisons and i think that’s going to be it
49:05 because you can send a bajillion emails and
49:07 people won’t sign up but it’s how do you get the newbies who’ve
49:10 never been apart to get excited about
49:12 joining like some of their their um colleagues are so um um keep
49:17 up the good work thank you thank you
49:21 so much anybody else so go ahead john you had something i was
49:25 just going to say i signed up i
49:27 don’t know about you guys but that’s wonderful
49:29 so thank you so much um and you deal with specifically those
49:36 programs that are fun that are
49:38 you know what i mean everybody goes and they run and they do all
49:40 those things thank you for that
49:41 because that’s part of the overall i wanted everybody to also
49:43 understand that we are moving to a high
49:46 screening health care plan next year which is the what not what
49:51 she does but engaging with those local
49:54 sites to literally drive the conversations around having your
49:58 colonoscopies your mammograms everything
50:00 else to make sure that the percentages of the people who are
50:03 taking them take them because we’re finding
50:05 that the people who don’t take them are coming in in stage threes
50:08 and fours cancers and stuff like that
50:09 we got to catch those early right so i wanted to say this is a
50:12 real specific good portion of our plan
50:14 and thank you so much for coming in front of us and talking
50:16 about the 5ks and everything else
50:18 the reduction in diabetes we appreciate that because getting
50:21 that information out is great
50:23 i do concur with mrs campbell and the fact that we could help
50:27 drive this a little bit more and i’m
50:29 guilty as anybody else by not promoting what you do so i look
50:32 forward to working with you thank you thank
50:34 you yes and i definitely do agree and we will try to get some of
50:38 the education out those health screenings
50:40 we really want to collaborate to get all of those numbers yeah
50:42 we’re gonna we’re gonna work on it too
50:44 i think the idea is is that we we have to honor the people that
50:48 are at each one of the locations
50:50 to give them a little bit more revenue so that they become the
50:52 point contact for everybody else
50:54 and then we move from there i would also say that some of our
50:56 fairs that we could set up we could also
50:58 set up with our health first and other partners to have those
51:02 educational pieces because you’re only
51:03 one person right so we create that but that’s all in part of
51:06 what we’re doing and ryan i appreciate
51:08 all your work thank you yeah i just wanted to follow up real
51:11 quick sir um you’ll notice i was kind of was
51:15 challenged with kind of a two-prong effect one of it’s
51:17 educational and the other part is actually
51:18 physical right so we want to educate our employees then we
51:21 actually get them moving um and then she’s also
51:23 been uh championed with um really working with our well as
51:26 coordinators at the sites um like you said
51:28 the more people we get involved better just really getting
51:31 people moving it’s more of the um ounce
51:32 prevention pound a cure type of uh mentality um she we we did
51:37 secure some funding out of our last end of
51:40 year um signa dollars last year so we did secure some funding to
51:43 give some more money to our wellness
51:45 champions at the sites um with that we’re gonna be asking them
51:48 to do a little bit more um we also uh the big
51:52 flags are the new thing so we bought some wellness flags for
51:54 each site so when there’s a wellness
51:56 activity going on when they walk into school they’re going to
51:58 see the wellness activity flag you know
52:00 what we’re doing something today what are we doing uh that type
52:02 of thing it’s just all you know again
52:04 trying to educate our employees and then also just get them
52:08 moving yep it’s each uh you know how the
52:10 teachers union stands up and gives a presentation to every uh
52:13 faculty meeting and stuff like that
52:15 our wellness coordinators pretty soon will start to do that on
52:18 various things so we’ll be you know executing 86
52:21 schools at the same time as you have signa and everybody else
52:24 working it’s going to be amazing
52:26 so it’s all coming thank you thank you thank you have a
52:29 wonderful day you too
52:31 ms ryan if you can give an update on the bexa that is happening
52:41 because i’m getting a lot of
52:42 um so um so um so bexa is our um uh our um breast cancer
52:46 screening that we’re doing at the sites
52:49 where a um vendors coming in bex vendors coming in and they’re
52:53 going to be for doing um painless um no
52:58 radiation um um breast exams for our employees 35 and older
53:03 really trying to again focus on those uh catch
53:06 uh catch them early um so that’s why we we loaded down to 35. we’re
53:11 going to start here in february i
53:12 thought maybe it’d be best if we started here at the esf so we
53:14 could work through uh any kinks before we
53:17 start pushing them out to the sites we had um we had i believe
53:20 it was 40 48 or something like that um
53:23 appointments for over three days and it was so that we opened it
53:26 at 10 by noon all the all the uh slots
53:29 were taken so um if we have that kind of support at the schools
53:33 we might you know revisit different sites
53:37 um to just make sure everybody gets this opportunity um what the
53:40 bexa is it’s it’s it’s not a substitute
53:42 for a mammogram it’s more of a confidence check um allows you to
53:46 you know feel good that they didn’t
53:48 see any abnormalities in your in your breast tissue um so and if
53:51 they do then you do have to go on and see
53:53 your your your caregiver but we’ve also with that we’ve
53:57 partnered with lantern um who’s going to
54:00 also help walk people through those those types of things so
54:03 really uh some great some great things
54:04 we’re providing for our employees and the way it works just so
54:07 you guys know is is that a mammogram
54:09 is done in a certain way that is invasive to female this is to
54:12 capture the 30 extra percent of people
54:15 who aren’t taking those mammograms and it’s done with a small
54:18 device it’s done in under 30 minutes
54:21 non-invasive and it has a two percent follow-up so we’re excited
54:24 i heard that the numbers were pretty
54:26 good um there are some people just so you guys know if you ask
54:30 around that currently have family
54:32 members and one of the issues we’re dealing with right now is is
54:35 that the the screening protocol
54:37 is above 40 years old a woman only has to go every two years to
54:41 get a screening but we know a lot of
54:42 people who have but we know a lot of people who have actually
54:47 contracted cancer in between the first and
54:50 second year um and that’s part of this is to allow those
54:53 individuals that if they want to get a a
54:57 really nice check they can go do that and it also is to capture
54:59 those 30 percent of women who have
55:01 not taken their breast exams so thank you so much dr rindell
55:04 thank you for spearheading this and we
55:06 appreciate it just to clarify if nobody else has figured it out
55:08 basically we were taking the service
55:10 to the employees to the work site yep it’s similar to like when
55:13 we offer flu shots you know you can go
55:15 get your flu shot at a clinic but you have to take time out of
55:17 your day to go do that so when we offer flu shots
55:20 at the work site that the appointments tend to fill up so it’s
55:23 the same sort of thing we’re bringing
55:24 the service to the employees work site so you don’t have to take
55:27 time off to go anywhere for teachers
55:29 it could be done during their planning period or you know before
55:32 school after school during lunch that
55:34 kind of thing so taking the service directly to our employees so
55:37 that they don’t have to go out and
55:38 and do it on their own and hopefully you know we’ll catch
55:42 anybody early so that they can you know
55:44 receive the proper treatment and that’s the other thing about
55:46 that’s the other thing about it is is
55:50 that once somebody is found as part of that two percent that’s
55:53 found positive the speed to care is
55:56 that much quicker and that’s something that we’ve been working
55:59 on um f like and i’ll just be completely
56:01 honest when i had my health issues uh cigna does not receive
56:04 that claim so here’s what happens i have a
56:06 health issue say on november 1st cigna does not receive that
56:11 claim from our carriers our our hospital
56:14 networks for between 30 to 60 days while that’s happening i’ve
56:18 already gone to all of my proceedings
56:20 i’ve already done all my stuff so by the time cigna engages it’s
56:23 30 to 60 days later it’s not a very
56:25 you know engaging opportunity so we’re trying to reduce that
56:28 amount of time to care and to have those
56:30 people engaged that’s what lantern care is that’s what bexa is
56:33 that’s what our our wellness centers are
56:36 those those opportunities and it’s no no shout out to cigna at
56:39 all this is just when they receive it
56:41 and that’s when they’re supposed to so we’re also working with
56:43 the hospital networks to reduce that
56:45 amount of time from the time that you have somebody go in and be
56:48 test positive for something or have to
56:49 come back to the time of treatment it significantly saves
56:52 because every stage of cancer is another
56:54 hundred thousand dollars in cost and anxiety and lost time off
56:57 of work and everything else so that’s
56:59 why this is important that’s that’s what this attacks um and
57:02 that’s why it’s important so thank
57:04 you so much mr defray appreciate it thank you all right dr rindell
57:07 do you want me to take this one
57:09 or you got it so thank you mr chair the next is a discussion of
57:13 the greater florida consortium of
57:15 school boards we are a member of that consortium their proposed
57:18 federal legislative program or agenda
57:21 i’m going to turn it over to mrs campbell but in short as a
57:24 member district we get to review the
57:28 legislative agenda or platform program and if we have any part
57:32 of the platform that we disagree with
57:34 they will remove it but we have to review that so given mrs campbell
57:38 the opportunity to take it from
57:40 here okay i’m happy to do that so we just like we did with the
57:45 state legislative agenda if there’s
57:48 anything we can’t remember we can’t edit right any line it’s
57:51 either like a whole item comes out i’ll i
57:53 i have in reviewing this i didn’t really see anything that i had
57:56 a problem with every single one of them
57:58 is a funding thing it’s either to clarify or to shore up i do
58:03 want to point out because this has been a
58:05 part of the cosva which is our federal fsba as far as the
58:09 federal organization or the national organization
58:11 cosva uh consortium of state school board association
58:15 associations they have this about idea
58:19 just one thing the ide8 idea law actually says that the federal
58:23 government will will support
58:25 full funding is 40 percent and then the states have to make up
58:28 the other 60 percent it’s never been 40
58:30 it’s like 15 so the states are having to make up the rest of
58:33 that funding or districts are having to
58:35 make up the rest that funding so that’s why that clarification
58:37 is um cosva has asked for that every
58:39 year the consortium is asking for the federal government to do
58:41 what they actually wrote in the law they said they
58:43 would do which is to cover ida which is our special ed you know
58:48 dsc services funding at this federal full
58:52 funding amount which is 40 percent so i i did not see anything
58:54 but if any board member has anything we
58:57 we want to make sure we vote on it tonight it’s on our agenda
59:01 tonight to vote on as is or with any changes
59:03 that we make today and then we can respond to um the consortium
59:07 let them know that we reviewed it and we’re
59:11 we’re good to go we have changes i received some calls on this
59:16 one but the things that were mentioned
59:17 were not inside of the document that is here so i think i’m okay
59:20 with what it is anybody else have
59:21 any other questions yeah no i didn’t have any issue with any of
59:24 the actually no so they all look like
59:26 they’re good we can only remove we can’t add correct right right
59:28 if you want to add you got to go to
59:30 the meeting in the in the fall this is actually a new thing i
59:33 don’t think they’ve done a federal one
59:35 before with the consortium so when it comes time next year for
59:39 them to develop it um they’re going to do
59:42 it i think on the same weekend when they do it it’s in august
59:44 when the consortium meets to develop their
59:46 legislative platform so it’d be great if you’re interested i
59:50 mean any of us can go and be a part
59:54 so if no changes then we’ll just leave that item for the agenda
59:57 tonight to officially approve on the
1:00:00 action agenda i think it is and then after that then i’ll be
1:00:04 happy to email um i forgot his name
1:00:06 whoever it is that sent us this email
1:00:12 i had too many emails in my box right now and let him know that
1:00:16 we officially voted to approve
1:00:17 it tonight thanks or his secretary either one yeah okay tom sarah
1:00:22 problem yeah that’s the name tom
1:00:25 she does all the work so and i don’t mind publicly telling that
1:00:29 so we’ll be sending an email to her so
1:00:32 thank you um all right next up is our general counsel’s
1:00:36 evaluation i know some of you guys wanted to have
1:00:39 some changes i appreciate uh miss wright and others who have
1:00:42 spearheaded this effort and said that you
1:00:45 know what i mean there’s some changes that we need we all agreed
1:00:47 so now is the opportunity to do so so
1:00:49 that we can have an effective um change to the contract and
1:00:53 stuff like that uh mr gibbs had indicated that
1:00:55 some of the changes that you guys have wanted to make in the
1:00:58 past could be changed on his evaluation
1:01:01 this year and the um part of it but i still want to give him
1:01:04 that opportunity that if we make changes
1:01:06 to the contract being the fact that we’re almost two-thirds of
1:01:09 the way through the contract that if
1:01:10 it’s something that he doesn’t feel like we could substantially
1:01:13 evaluate him and give a true score
1:01:15 on then i think that give him the opportunity to voice those
1:01:18 concerns and i have no problem pushing
1:01:20 those if they do to the next evaluation so with that said i’d
1:01:24 like to give the floor to whoever wants
1:01:26 to go first and any evaluation changes as i am the chair and
1:01:29 always go last okay you and you and
1:01:32 miss campbell have your stuff ready in the hands so i think two
1:01:36 are the ones okay um thank you thank you
1:01:40 lena for collecting the evaluations from the other surrounding
1:01:43 counties i think there were some good
1:01:44 ideas and some things that we could pull into our evaluation i’ll
1:01:47 be the first one to say i absolutely
1:01:49 hate smart sheets so i’m not a fan of that platform and it’s
1:01:52 probably a me issue because of the technology
1:01:54 there whatever um when i went through the the different
1:01:57 evaluations that were available to us there were some
1:02:00 good things that i liked that i think we should bring in uh
1:02:03 honestly pinellas which looks like i guess
1:02:05 this one that’s printed out this is um lee okay is that lee all
1:02:09 right sorry pinellas is the the one
1:02:11 that i really liked i’m like every single one of those questions
1:02:15 really pertains to our relationship
1:02:17 with our school board uh attorney i felt like that evaluation
1:02:20 was spot on the one thing i didn’t see in
1:02:23 there that i would like to see um is that there i think ocps was
1:02:28 the one that had uh a note about
1:02:31 developing leadership and subordinates that are under you i
1:02:34 think that’s a good skill that any good
1:02:35 leader should do is they should work with the team that’s under
1:02:38 them to help rise them up right i think
1:02:39 that should be an evaluation part of this um and i also like the
1:02:43 fact that they had not observed because
1:02:46 there are times when we do pulse evaluation i’m like well i don’t
1:02:48 know and i don’t have a not observed
1:02:50 we can only evaluate one two three or four and i there’s no way
1:02:53 for me to say na you got to give
1:02:55 it something right and then that kind of goes against him so i
1:02:58 think that that we need to be able to
1:02:59 have that option of not observed in here um my personal feelings
1:03:03 are if we were going to pick any of
1:03:05 these to kind of duplicate it off of i really really like pinellas
1:03:09 um and there was literally
1:03:10 i don’t i think with the exception of deleting 3.3 and 3.4 i
1:03:16 think those were specific to pinellas i’m not
1:03:18 really sure are you talking about their 3.3 yeah i’m like i’m
1:03:21 not sure what this i don’t know what that is so
1:03:24 that meant yeah that looks like it’s specific to them but other
1:03:29 than that there was also is this
1:03:31 the one that also had uh made reference to a newsletter yes i
1:03:36 think that um uh 4.8 yes 4.8
1:03:39 and i was like and i that’s probably not a necessary thing to do
1:03:42 i do like the the update though i mean
1:03:44 if there’s legal matters that are pertaining to school boards
1:03:47 you know litigation that’s pending
1:03:48 things that are going on that is going to impact us that’s
1:03:51 useful for us to know ahead of time so we
1:03:53 can get ahead of a policy that we might need to to you know
1:03:56 change or create or whatever um so that’s
1:03:58 really where i land on this is if i were going to pick any of
1:04:00 these evaluation tools i would take
1:04:02 pinellas and i would delete 3.3 and 3.4 if the board obviously
1:04:06 asking paul to create a newsletter might
1:04:08 be he might go one more thing lovely so that may not be
1:04:12 something that you have interest in doing
1:04:14 and then also to make sure we have the ability to to say not
1:04:19 observed in the evaluation tool so that
1:04:21 it doesn’t go against him because we didn’t see it yeah i are
1:04:28 you go ahead okay yep we’re kind of open
1:04:30 floor for conversation so i there’s three things that i
1:04:34 definitely want to see as we are moving
1:04:37 forward um one is i think we need to go to a five-point scale we
1:04:41 have a four-point scale now right which
1:04:43 is in contrast to what we do for the superintendent’s evaluation
1:04:46 we use a five-point scale and i think it
1:04:47 makes sense because we we have a little extra wiggle room you
1:04:52 know because i you know it’s it’s always
1:04:55 hard where do you put that four three two one so i think a five-point
1:04:58 skill is better um which um
1:05:01 the lead the one that i asked lena to print for everybody is
1:05:05 this one that’s the lee county one and
1:05:07 i also also asked her to print paul’s last one so we can take a
1:05:10 look we can have that fresh in our minds
1:05:12 but the the pinellas one also has a five-point scale but what it
1:05:18 has is both the lee county and
1:05:20 the pinellas one simplify it in that you’re giving a score for a
1:05:26 whole category rather than a score for
1:05:30 every actually the lee county one doesn’t it the pinellas one
1:05:33 has it you’re giving a score for a whole
1:05:35 category so which makes it a little bit simpler for us um but i
1:05:39 also like the not observed if we’re
1:05:42 going to do line item by line item i think it would you wouldn’t
1:05:46 need a not observed if you’re going
1:05:48 to give a score for a whole category right um but if we’re going
1:05:51 to do something like what we have
1:05:53 currently or like the lee county one that asked lena to print
1:05:57 for us i think we definitely need to have
1:05:59 not observed so that would be one thing five point scale not
1:06:02 observed but then the other thing is we
1:06:05 have in the past asked cabinet to do anonymous to ask them to
1:06:09 kind of give their feedback on the
1:06:12 general counsel because then and then we get those kind of summed
1:06:17 together then they send it to us
1:06:19 before we do it so we get his self-evaluation we get to the
1:06:21 cabinet has to say because then some of the
1:06:23 the things that we haven’t observed we get the cabinet to say
1:06:26 yes paul is doing this isn’t this
1:06:28 which sometimes is behind the scenes um maybe now that we have
1:06:31 the assistant general counsel that’s
1:06:32 not as necessary because before the general counsel was kind of
1:06:35 having to sometimes do dual roles
1:06:39 but that’s a possibility um but i i liked um lee because it did
1:06:47 um have um just it just seemed a
1:06:50 little bit simpler and i feel like we from what we did i was
1:06:53 trying to think of the objections that
1:06:54 the board had to what we’re using i feel like one going to a
1:06:57 five point scale and two getting some staff
1:07:00 feedback would help us with some of the problems we had with it
1:07:03 um but lee seemed simple the only thing
1:07:06 that’s problem that i have a problem with lee is if you look at
1:07:09 three c it says effectively
1:07:11 representative of the board with the public and we do not have
1:07:13 the expectation that our general
1:07:15 counsel will be going out to the public and talking on our
1:07:17 behalf that’s not in his job description
1:07:19 that’s the chair and the superintendent’s role um so it
1:07:23 definitely would not and some of the other
1:07:24 ones i can’t remember if pinellas had i’ll have to look some of
1:07:27 the other ones also had that role
1:07:28 so i definitely would remove anything that talked about the
1:07:32 general counsel going out talking to the
1:07:34 public yeah i i’m okay with um with pinellas i just wanted us to
1:07:38 go to something simpler what let me
1:07:42 ask you this what if we took the same type of formatting that
1:07:45 lee has here like the performance one and
1:07:48 then so we just imposed the type the quite i really like the
1:07:52 questions that pinellas asked i think that
1:07:55 those ones were it’s a little more in depth than lee’s i think i
1:07:59 like i mean lee’s is very i am i wrote
1:08:03 it’s very minimal like it’s it’s a simple form and it’s easy but
1:08:06 i think this one covers yeah so what
1:08:10 if we did that what if we just took and plugged in what is
1:08:12 written in here under pinellas into the format
1:08:16 of lee does that make sense so that they’re so that we’re giving
1:08:19 a score on every right it would end up
1:08:22 being the same kind of and then we’re kind of going back to what
1:08:25 we have now except for it’s a five
1:08:27 point scale i mean what’s what’s the difference between pinellas
1:08:30 and what we have now except for the
1:08:32 five point scale versus four point scale it’s not on a smart
1:08:35 sheet that’s a major one for me other than
1:08:38 formatting formatting that’s yeah the problems with the smart
1:08:42 sheet are just technological things i think
1:08:45 we can get past um just some growing curves yeah well and again
1:08:49 that’s some of these questions like
1:08:51 what we have and this has been my biggest argument all along was
1:08:54 these are questions we can’t answer
1:08:56 because we don’t interact with mr gibbs in these manners so i’m
1:08:58 like how are we supposed to answer that
1:08:59 question which is what i have written right so that’s why i just
1:09:03 think that the questions that are
1:09:04 on his evaluation need to pertain to the relationship we have
1:09:07 with the school board’s attorney
1:09:08 yes and and the duties that he he carries out on behalf of the
1:09:11 board you know not so much behalf
1:09:13 of the district they were more more questions that would be
1:09:15 posed for the district to ask him not so
1:09:17 much us i’m in agreement with uh miss wright as far as pinellas
1:09:25 um using that format with the changes
1:09:29 that she’s offered um i like the idea of not having them not
1:09:32 observed as well because i think that’s hugely
1:09:35 important um and i also like the idea of having the staff
1:09:38 evaluation ahead of time because if we don’t
1:09:40 evaluate if he doesn’t get evaluated on those categories that we
1:09:43 don’t necessarily see he’s not
1:09:44 ever there’s no way to he’s not going to be evaluated at all in
1:09:48 those categories so getting some kind of
1:09:50 feedback even if though even if we don’t personally observe it
1:09:52 getting some feedback so if we see
1:09:54 something we need to do some further investigation on or what
1:09:56 have you if there’s something we can do that but
1:09:58 at least we have some feedback because that way he’s being he’s
1:10:02 being um you know evaluated on those
1:10:04 categories because if we don’t do it who will so right
1:10:13 if i may on that topic it’s it’s kind of difficult right because
1:10:16 when we ask staff and i agree with
1:10:19 you a hundred percent if you’re going to have it on here how are
1:10:21 we supposed to know what they’re saying
1:10:22 but it it is indicative of possibly one or two or three people
1:10:27 giving their voice when not other
1:10:29 people i’m along the lines with megan that a lot of these don’t
1:10:33 even pertain to our daily operation
1:10:35 and some of them should be removed you know what i mean um i
1:10:39 would like to hear back from people i
1:10:41 think what we should do is is if we’re going to say it not just
1:10:44 work does he work collaboratively with
1:10:46 school and district personnel but maybe we develop a couple of
1:10:49 questions for them to actually fill out
1:10:50 maybe and give an example and stuff like that does that make
1:10:53 sense to you so that they can actually
1:10:55 refer back and then we can have some sustainable or we just nix
1:10:58 the entire question and say we’re
1:11:00 worried about it we ask so that’s an important category though
1:11:03 as far as how he interacts with his staff
1:11:05 if we don’t get some kind of job right if we don’t get some kind
1:11:07 of i just want it just like everybody
1:11:08 else i want it to be sustained like you know we have to have
1:11:11 some metrics on it and i think that’s
1:11:13 fair to either do it the right way or pull it right now so that’s
1:11:16 up to you guys what i was thinking
1:11:18 was that actually we would send them whatever tool we end up
1:11:21 like we send them the tool and say you
1:11:23 fill it out and then we don’t have to ask specific questions and
1:11:27 they can also have the not observed
1:11:28 option also um send them the tool of this this whatever tool we
1:11:34 set up
1:11:34 right not all of them will right well that’s what i’m saying if
1:11:37 we add the not observed if
1:11:39 we’re going to do like miss wright said and instead of doing one
1:11:42 at the bottom where you circle one
1:11:44 through five which is super extra simple actually don’t mind
1:11:46 that one either but but if you want to
1:11:48 do a one through five on every item and include the not observed
1:11:53 option they would have that too
1:11:55 and we’ll have to figure out how to do the math with us i mean
1:11:57 really we don’t really see the
1:11:58 superintendent on a daily basis how he interacts with staff but
1:12:01 we have more interaction with the staff his staff on a
1:12:04 a daily basis to get an idea of how he interacts you know we may
1:12:07 not have this much interactive
1:12:08 interaction with uh miss with mr gibbs staff so there’s got to
1:12:12 be some way of evite getting that
1:12:14 information and being able to evaluate it would you like to give
1:12:18 dr rendell the opportunity since it’s
1:12:20 his staff to kind of come up with a plan in that regard would
1:12:23 that be appropriate for getting the feedback
1:12:25 from cabinet yeah because i think that his his interactions are
1:12:28 different than ours he might have a better
1:12:30 understanding of that just a thought dr and i’ll sorry to throw
1:12:33 you on the mat no i feel like if
1:12:35 you if there were two questions or whatever sets of questions
1:12:38 for interactions with staff or
1:12:40 relationships with staff or responsiveness whatever those
1:12:43 questions are we could give those out to the
1:12:45 cabinet members and his direct staff they could rate and then we’d
1:12:49 give you like a an overall rating
1:12:52 to share and you guys could include that or not include that
1:12:54 that would be up to you guys okay
1:12:58 so mr gibbs do you have any thoughts about the pinellas plan and
1:13:04 adjusting it as we talk about
1:13:06 no i looked over all the ones that were provided and i think lee
1:13:11 is very short and succinct uh some
1:13:14 of it like you mentioned i don’t think applies to me so much
1:13:16 like the public and news media even
1:13:19 pinellas i think has one about news media it does 4.3 but that’s
1:13:22 something i don’t do i always no comment
1:13:26 whenever media questions come up that’s the way i prefer our
1:13:29 legal issues to be handled outside of
1:13:31 the media we don’t litigate the media i know we have a staff who
1:13:36 are charged with the media interactions
1:13:39 and i yeah i think everything over there i don’t think any but
1:13:42 any media stuff needs to be in there
1:13:43 something that i didn’t really see in any of this is like
1:13:47 responsibility for checking on agenda items i mean
1:13:50 that’s something that is directly impacting the board so i would
1:13:54 there’s just my side is i think
1:13:56 you should look to add some sort of like agenda responsible
1:14:02 issues there and then i also had some
1:14:05 other ones that i that i thought were pertaining specifically to
1:14:08 you that we are a little bit
1:14:09 different than pinellas um but if you guys so i’m hearing five
1:14:14 point scale not observed uh feedback
1:14:18 on the general counsel from staff right yeah and then um
1:14:22 utilizing the pinellas uh uh questions
1:14:26 inside of the lee format is kind of what you were you wanted i i
1:14:29 think that that would be good we’re
1:14:31 gonna have to strike some of several of these so 3.3 3.4 4.3
1:14:34 those are all gonna have to come out because
1:14:36 4.8 uh markdown also 4.8 unless he wants to make a newsletter
1:14:41 that’s you know no i don’t think i don’t
1:14:43 think paul needs any other right fine but if you they have a
1:14:46 whole office staff full of people they
1:14:48 have more than than i have yeah for sure if there’s a if there’s
1:14:53 a way that you guys can email in what
1:14:55 changes you would like right okay and then paul and i if you
1:14:59 guys will give me the respect i’ll meet with
1:15:01 paul kind of put it all together resend it back out to you guys
1:15:04 for a final go ahead and then would
1:15:06 you guys like to bring it to the next school board meeting for
1:15:09 final approval or do you guys want to
1:15:10 just do it approve it uh through the emails well i the only
1:15:13 thing that we didn’t sorry the only thing
1:15:15 we didn’t hammer out if we’re gonna we kind of all agreed to
1:15:19 remove 3.3 3.4 4.3 and 4.8 if you
1:15:22 wanted to add an item yeah i’ll just add it let’s let’s let’s
1:15:25 just do that right now and then you
1:15:26 guys all you guys are doing is formatting because i think we can
1:15:29 kind of get approval and not have
1:15:31 to wait one of the manatee has a line in there that i really
1:15:33 would like to see on there but the
1:15:35 school board attorney is effective and helpful during meetings i
1:15:37 think that’s useful because he’s
1:15:39 obviously we need to know that right is that that’s on a it’s on
1:15:42 the manatee one but i think it would
1:15:44 probably go i’m trying to figure out where it would go on this
1:15:46 format for um maybe under it’s so
1:15:51 standard one um 1.4 he provides useful legal counsel during
1:15:56 board meetings and 1.5 he serves as
1:15:59 parliamentarian for the board i think we kind of already have
1:16:01 that um okay yeah that’s true okay
1:16:06 but it would definitely go under standard one but we didn’t have
1:16:09 so it wouldn’t go under accessibility
1:16:11 and responsiveness but where would we put that about um the agendas
1:16:20 under management running all
1:16:22 of the other little things somebody did have it um i think maybe
1:16:29 i can’t remember if it’s polk or not
1:16:33 since it’s only 207 i said let’s just get this hammered out and
1:16:36 done and then we don’t have to
1:16:37 bring it back and then all that you guys are talking about is
1:16:39 like but you guys are going to
1:16:40 officially have to vote on that that was my question oh i don’t
1:16:43 think we have to come back yeah we have
1:16:45 i mean we we want we want whatever the finalized thing okay yeah
1:16:50 so we have to bring it back that’s
1:16:52 why i was saying there’s a couple of little tweaks there’s
1:16:56 regarding the um extra duties as far as
1:16:59 dealing with the public uh speaking the agenda yeah you know
1:17:03 what i mean there’s there’s notes
1:17:05 afterwards that he’s taking there’s a lot of little things if
1:17:07 you guys will let me add that with them
1:17:09 we can take the 3.3s and 4.8s out of it and then we can put it
1:17:13 together and send it to you guys and
1:17:15 we can work on emails until it gets finalized right before it i
1:17:19 don’t think there’s any substantial
1:17:21 changes that we have beyond just adding a couple of his regular
1:17:24 duties that he has specific to provide
1:17:26 and then also um negating what you guys have already said and
1:17:30 adding the five-point scale not
1:17:31 observed in the feedback portion i think we’re okay and he may
1:17:34 not have the exact wording he wants for
1:17:36 the agenda item right now but let i would just say let him yeah
1:17:40 words to them since it has to come
1:17:42 back i think we can actually you know all approve it through yes
1:17:46 this looks good to me before it comes
1:17:48 back to the next meeting so that we’re not coming back and
1:17:50 making any kind of conversations it’s just
1:17:52 if that was your concern miss campbell yeah no no i’m fine i i
1:17:56 did i found it in polk paul but it
1:17:58 was under suggested evidence and artifacts rather than as an
1:18:01 item if you do a search for agenda
1:18:03 ensuring legal compliance of agenda items i think that’s what
1:18:07 you do but we move it into an item rather
1:18:09 than evidence yeah okay that’s a critical piece that should be
1:18:13 yes we’d love to see that little place
1:18:15 where it says legal review check that you you checked it makes
1:18:18 us feel better about it
1:18:19 okay are you comfortable with this tool i mean obviously this is
1:18:26 this impacts you so are you
1:18:27 comfortable with us i think all of them are fine um they’ll get
1:18:31 the job done okay
1:18:32 okay board did you have anything else that you wanted to speak
1:18:37 about
1:18:38 further to discuss great job on getting it through yeah it’s 2 2
1:18:42 15 we can make the what was it 3 or
1:18:44 3 30 that they have lunch coming for us i think i saw there was
1:18:47 an email so we’ve got time to sign
1:18:49 up for go gold we do can you did yeah we’re good are you going
1:18:53 to sign um paul are you going to sign
1:18:55 up your uh your dog this time since that’s where you get all
1:18:58 your your stuff starting dogs already got
1:19:01 some miles under all right with that no other issues we’re done
1:19:15 thank you
1:19:31 so