2025-02-11 - School Board Work Session

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1:40:56 level skills so they can find a position hopefully to be

1:40:53 productive citizens in our society.

1:40:58 We also want to have the hospitality lab have that we saw that

1:41:03 in Magnolia again I keep

1:41:05 referencing that because this was like an aha moment if we could

1:41:09 just see it.

1:41:10 These kids will learn how to clean, set the table, do all of

1:41:14 those things that will teach

1:41:16 them new skills as well as build their self esteem.

1:41:20 Some of these I mean they’re so excited when they can do

1:41:23 independent and perform independent

1:41:25 opportunities and we want to equip our students with the skills

1:41:28 and knowledge that they can

1:41:30 lead to meaningful employment and we know that’s the ultimate

1:41:36 goal for our students.

1:41:39 Some of the essential needs for successful separate day school

1:41:43 we want to currently we do not have

1:41:45 this in all of our classrooms in Gardendale we know this is very

1:41:48 important to have in-classroom

1:41:50 restrooms and this will really maximize that time for learning

1:41:54 in the classroom with kids

1:41:56 don’t have to have someone walk them taken away from instruction

1:41:59 in the classroom they’ll have

1:42:01 it inside the classroom every one of our classrooms so this will

1:42:05 minimize unsupervised visits to

1:42:07 the restroom and single point of entry was very important even

1:42:12 where we’re at right now you

1:42:14 know we don’t want kids jumping the fence we don’t want them

1:42:17 roaming single point of entry

1:42:18 means that you come in one way and you can go out only one other

1:42:23 way but it’s very very secure and

1:42:26 this is a safety concern so we want to make sure that our kids

1:42:32 are safe and they’re learning and

1:42:34 that they have access to school but we have a safe learning

1:42:37 environment for all of our students and we

1:42:39 don’t have to worry about you know students eloping and things

1:42:42 of that nature so when I think back on my

1:42:46 journey when I came to Brevard Public Schools I think about some

1:42:53 of the common rooms Misty wanted that and we

1:42:56 created one or two of these but we really need to have access to

1:43:00 more of these in our pod areas so kids can go and

1:43:04 self-regulate if they’re upset or if they’re not having a good

1:43:09 day where we

1:43:10 really can go in and they can really calm and relax and have

1:43:15 this environment where

1:43:17 students are learning to improve their behavior and manage those

1:43:20 behaviors and we

1:43:22 do not have those in every area in our current location and then

1:43:28 the observation

1:43:29 we do not have these at all at Gardendale this is where this we

1:43:34 can go and observe and

1:43:35 collect data without interrupting the classroom and really

1:43:38 looking at the

1:43:39 students in real time and how they’re functioning in the

1:43:42 classroom so we can get

1:43:43 services and supports to them sooner so you know these are all

1:43:49 types of

1:43:49 interventions if we can get in there and get all the collect all

1:43:53 the data we can

1:43:54 provide interventions very in the appropriate manner for these

1:43:58 particular students and when I think back on it I think success

1:44:03 is a journey and not

1:44:04 a destination and that’s by being sweetland we’re on a journey

1:44:08 and I know we

1:44:09 can thrive and do better for these students and I really hope

1:44:13 that we will

1:44:14 consider moving them to a location that is conducive to their

1:44:18 learning and what

1:44:19 their needs are they’re small but they’re mighty

1:44:24 good afternoon everyone as Pam said this has been quite a

1:44:38 journey we’ve been working on

1:44:40 this for quite a while miss planned and I were kind of teammates

1:44:43 in the oh my gosh we

1:44:45 suddenly need a separate day school project that happened

1:44:47 several years ago and I think

1:44:50 all of us agree that there’s a better way to serve our students

1:44:52 we’ve had concerns about the

1:44:54 transportation issues and trying to find a central location just

1:44:58 concerns about the

1:44:59 facility renovations that have been ongoing a garden nail trying

1:45:02 to do a better job but it’s just not the right place for those

1:45:05 students and so we’ve been working really hard in collaboration

1:45:06 with student services to try to find the right solution for this

1:45:06 and I have sort of similar slides that have a bit of history

1:45:06 that just kind of walks through the board works

1:45:06 sessions where we’ve been before you and kind of talking through

1:45:22 the process you do have in your package kind of a compilation of

1:45:23 those presentations that show you how we got here but more or

1:45:23 less where we are now is we have Harvard Jolly Architects for

1:45:23 nature Sella is principal

1:45:23 uh with Harvard Jolly and has been leading the project as our

1:45:40 consulting architect Dave Lindeman and Chris Payne our project

1:45:42 manager have been working with Mr. Sella and we have developed

1:45:42 what I think is going to be a good solution in collaboration

1:45:42 with the student services team

1:45:42 so we just wanted to kind of show you today where we are this is

1:45:53 the Kennedy Middle School site and we’ve put a lot of effort and

1:46:00 a fair degree of resources into making sure that this project

1:46:03 can in fact integrate into the Kennedy Middle School site

1:46:05 and so we’ve tested a few different um different arrangements of

1:46:13 the building and the traffic circulation and we believe that

1:46:17 this will work pretty well and we’ll allow Kennedy to function

1:46:21 independently and of the separate day school and that will work

1:46:25 independently with different times of arrivals of students and

1:46:29 teachers and such and and we will not need to really share much

1:46:33 in the way of facilities other than

1:46:35 um the kitchen facility at Kennedy will provide the food for the

1:46:39 students at the separate day school so that will be a savings

1:46:42 for us and then this shows you a little bit more detail how the

1:46:47 site will be laid out

1:46:49 and then this slide shows you the detail of the building layout

1:46:54 and so work very closely with student services to align the

1:46:59 spaces to best serve the students and the faculty and I’ve now

1:47:04 reached the level of my

1:47:05 um understanding of what I’m understanding of what I’m

1:47:08 understanding of what I can explain about that but um Mr. Trussella

1:47:10 and Ms. Bland and Ms. Bias and Ms. Dampier I’m sure can go into

1:47:14 more detail if you’d like some more information about the

1:47:17 alignment of the spaces

1:47:19 it’s about a 44,000 square foot building um designed for 156

1:47:25 students including um EBD and IND functions as well as some

1:47:30 shared spaces um that Ms. Dampier described and so for me

1:47:35 we are ready to go full forward with design and and the projects

1:47:39 so I just wanted to show you this is where we are we believe it

1:47:43 fits we believe it works we believe it’s programmed

1:47:46 appropriately for the students that we will be serving as we put

1:47:50 a lot of effort into checking those things to make sure that it

1:47:52 will in fact work

1:47:53 and then our next steps is that we will proceed with full design

1:47:58 we will shortly go out for an RFQ for a construction manager we’d

1:48:02 like to get a little bit farther into the design process but we

1:48:06 want to have a construction manager on board so that we can work

1:48:09 side by side with the construction manager and the architect as

1:48:12 we finish up the design and then anticipate pre-construction in

1:48:17 fall of 25 and starting construction around January of 26

1:48:21 opening around July of 27.

1:48:23 um we will do our best to accelerate that but that’s kind of the

1:48:29 typical schedule if we were to just proceed in our normal

1:48:30 fashion

1:48:30 the key point is that we will need funding to be in place in

1:48:35 fall this year in order to execute a construction contract and

1:48:38 so I’ve taken a quick look at our funding scenario

1:48:40 the estimated cost is right around 20 million kind of all in

1:48:46 site work FF and E um this project is eligible for educational

1:48:51 impact fees because it is providing additional student stations

1:48:55 we have been accumulating and using north area impact fees which

1:49:00 grow at a slower rate than the south area so right now we have

1:49:05 about six ish million that’s reserved for this project so that’s

1:49:10 cash

1:49:10 in hand we have allocated some small amount of capital in this

1:49:14 fiscal year we haven’t used that yet we haven’t used that yet we

1:49:18 do have Harvard Jolly under contract for the full amount of the

1:49:21 design so that’s already off the table so we really just need to

1:49:24 fund the construction and FF and E so some of my thoughts on

1:49:29 funding strategies we can continue to use the north area impact

1:49:32 fees at this moment there is not a demand for a different

1:49:36 project so that makes good sense

1:49:40 well philosophically this facility does serve students from the

1:49:44 north and south we’ve batted around the concept of whether we

1:49:48 should use some south area impact fees that would need to be a

1:49:52 decision that we run through our educational impact fee benefit

1:49:56 district committees as well as the school board as well as the

1:49:59 county commission but that is not in my opinion out of the

1:50:03 question we probably need mr. Gibbs to weigh in on that

1:50:07 but the facility is pretty much right on the boundary so it’s

1:50:11 just over the boundary of line between north and south

1:50:14 we could also allocate additional capital and we can also look

1:50:21 at the line of credit financing i’ve talked with mr. Ford about

1:50:24 that and you know there’s possibilities that are open in that

1:50:28 arena as well so i i think today we would like to ask you to

1:50:34 consider us moving forward with the design with the intention of

1:50:36 building the facility

1:50:37 and we collectively myself miss lisinski dr. Rendell and our

1:50:41 financial folks are going to need to come up with some

1:50:45 strategies for this project as well as the south brevard

1:50:47 projects that we talked about i think last month or a few weeks

1:50:50 ago so if you have questions about the layout of the building i

1:50:55 have our folks here that can answer those and otherwise we are

1:50:59 good to go so thank you

1:50:59 all right questions from board let’s go first all right let me

1:51:07 just start off by saying how excited i am about this so i don’t

1:51:09 i don’t share a lot about my previous life prior to being on

1:51:12 this board but i ran a home health agency that specialized with

1:51:14 working with individuals with developmental disabilities for 10

1:51:18 years and so walking into that school and seeing some of the

1:51:21 things i was seeing mind was completely blown shout out to magnolia

1:51:26 thank you orange county for letting us come and take the

1:51:29 you feel trip of all field trips because really i think it did

1:51:32 really plant the seed in all of our minds of how we could serve

1:51:34 this population who already has so many additional challenges

1:51:36 that we do not have

1:51:36 how can we serve them better so i am excited you have my full

1:51:42 blessing let’s go forward let’s do good work let’s get this

1:51:45 built i when we’re looking at the impact fees you know i because

1:51:49 it does serve the entire district i think it would be smart of

1:51:51 us to look at this coming from south and north end because it

1:51:54 serves the entire district but i also understand there’s a huge

1:51:59 need in the south end for school

1:51:59 and so you know kind of looking ahead to the future and what we’re

1:52:02 going to do there i know you’re juggling off those things it

1:52:05 could be a zero sum game

1:52:06 so we’re going to look at that as a package yeah and see the

1:52:10 best way to do that i love the the hybrid approach you know i

1:52:14 talked to mr ford uh yesterday and so i don’t know that they don’t

1:52:18 love it as much because we you know when we took the line of

1:52:21 credit when we built the middle school we didn’t we didn’t use

1:52:23 the line of credit which i’m extremely proud of this board for

1:52:25 not using that line of credit um we want to be good stewards of

1:52:28 the dollars we have and we want to make sure that we’re fiscally

1:52:30 responsible so i love that idea um from a lender standpoint

1:52:34 obviously i’m probably they’re probably not so excited

1:52:36 because they would prefer the loan uh which i understand but

1:52:40 yeah i’m excited about this i’m i’m like go forward do good work

1:52:43 let’s make this thing happen yesterday so

1:52:46 very nice and yeah so first off we need to make sure that mr thomas

1:52:53 gets its own private field trip to magnolia school so you can

1:52:56 get an idea of what we’re what we’re talking about

1:52:58 um this is this is this is great work i’m excited to hear about

1:53:03 the music classroom of course but also the other spaces um you

1:53:08 know just breezing through the the floor plans and the design it

1:53:13 looks uh incredible and i am absolutely a let’s move forward and

1:53:20 let’s get it done um you know it comes to funding i hear you i

1:53:24 appreciate you wanting to balance it out but i and i appreciate

1:53:27 my my compadre from the north

1:53:28 north here recognizing you know we we’ve got stuff i want to

1:53:32 build as much as we can without debt at all um and so if we can

1:53:37 you know and a lot of times every time quarterly that we vote to

1:53:41 move the next step for our impact fees almost always those north

1:53:45 fees once we built

1:53:46 what we did at mems and a couple other places right we’re using

1:53:49 it to pay off debt which the debt some of it north south that

1:53:53 kind of all get shuffled around i i if we can do this

1:53:56 using the impact fees and and get out of this building debt free

1:54:00 and and be able to take care of the other needs that you just

1:54:03 presented to us three weeks ago

1:54:04 um with the south impact fees plus we’re gonna have to do some

1:54:07 other financing there um i that’s what i would

1:54:10 prefer uh but but yes um you know to put your foot on the

1:54:15 accelerator and let’s go um i i’m glad we’ll at least be

1:54:19 breaking ground before i’m done on the board

1:54:21 um so but i think this is the right thing to do for students and

1:54:25 i love that we’re opening up the capacity

1:54:27 thank you for mentioning that because i have i think we’ve had

1:54:30 conversations

1:54:31 with parents through the years of and teachers feeling like that

1:54:37 wasn’t where their child was was not the

1:54:39 correct placement but we just we didn’t always have those placements

1:54:43 and let me ask you one question i have

1:54:45 about blast so we’re long county and we have long established

1:54:49 blast programs in multiple areas and we’ve

1:54:52 added some even um is the idea that we would continue to have

1:54:55 those blast programs in certain areas

1:54:57 um this is dr bias question maybe um and give her all the

1:55:02 microphones

1:55:03 um and then this would be just for those people who are in kind

1:55:08 of the central area

1:55:09 um so we do we have seven total and in fact last year uh we

1:55:15 moved clear lake into and split it with

1:55:18 coco and biera so those are our newest um it’s a really good

1:55:21 balance between the seven from the top

1:55:24 of the county to the bottom and some are in that range of maybe

1:55:27 18 to 20 and others are in like a 10

1:55:30 to 12 range so the balance right now is really really good um we

1:55:34 don’t have plans to add anymore

1:55:36 um but the fact that gardendale will have an opportunity to

1:55:39 experience some of those same things

1:55:41 uh for 18 to 22 year olds and post-secondary is pretty exciting

1:55:45 so right yeah no i i love that you

1:55:48 guys incorporated those ideas into the plan i just wanted to

1:55:50 make sure because i know like our people down

1:55:52 in south palm bay they probably don’t want to drive uh to rocklage

1:55:55 to kennedy you know the area to when

1:55:58 they have a awesome program down there that’s been going on for

1:56:00 a lot of years i was just going to

1:56:02 add too um we do have project search so that’s at our hospitals

1:56:06 right so the experience there palm bay

1:56:08 is going to be a new one so adding that down south is going to

1:56:11 have an impact on some of our blast sites

1:56:14 because the students are interviewing and then being accepted

1:56:16 into the internship um that’s kind of

1:56:18 balanced out as well with the addition of the project search so

1:56:21 it really expands our opportunity to

1:56:22 to meet those needs yeah that is that is great thank you um yeah

1:56:28 so i really like the gym that was in

1:56:30 there because oh my god you have some uh athletic programs

1:56:34 inside there but um no i did want to say

1:56:37 thank you one of the opportunities we might want to look at for

1:56:39 the funding is also um are they going to

1:56:42 share chillers or are they going to have separates they’re going

1:56:49 to share

1:56:50 i’m sorry or nature saw um they will be standalone i was going

1:56:56 to say because if they’re if they’re

1:56:57 shared on some sort of a system you could use the half cent

1:57:01 sales tax when you upgrade to reduce some

1:57:04 cost you know what i mean there’s some opportunities there where

1:57:06 you can share some of the resources and

1:57:08 maybe draw down some of it because you’re upgrading facilities

1:57:11 from kennedy at the same time just as

1:57:13 an idea but if they’re standalone separate then there’s i don’t

1:57:16 think you can but from a designs

1:57:18 perspective if we do like you know viera high school has some

1:57:20 big chillers over there sometimes you can

1:57:22 run two two facilities off of one and then utilize that with the

1:57:26 half penny cent sales tax if kennedy’s low

1:57:29 and then there’s just some other opportunities there um thank

1:57:32 you this is really good i’m really excited

1:57:34 about it after we went over there and i saw what was provided to

1:57:36 those orange county students and we

1:57:38 could do that here um thank you and dr rindell thank you that’s

1:57:43 it

1:57:44 uh obviously i’m the newbie so i don’t have a lot of experience

1:57:49 being able to see what y’all are talking

1:57:51 about i did have some initial questions but obviously seeing my

1:57:54 colleagues enthusiasm for the project i

1:57:56 really would love to go see magnolia if i could um if i may we

1:58:00 were the architects for magnolia as a firm

1:58:06 and myself so anytime you’d like to go somebody will tell me i’m

1:58:10 sure i can make that happen i know you

1:58:12 guys did before but i’ll be happy to facilitate that thank you i’m

1:58:17 sorry i’m done thank you one of the

1:58:19 things that when i was a teacher at space coast a lady named

1:58:23 miss danielle campbell ran the blast

1:58:24 program there and i built a lot of outdoor facilities for her i

1:58:28 built a butterfly garden i built a garden

1:58:31 for her with the you know what i mean everything else and those

1:58:34 blast students were really really into

1:58:36 you know what i mean turning the turning the soil one of the

1:58:40 things we saw over there at the magnolia day

1:58:42 school was they had a large um like an agricultural area um i

1:58:46 didn’t see it on there so if there’s an

1:58:48 opportunity to kind of look at that i do know that those are

1:58:51 some great opportunities for those kids

1:58:53 because getting them out and getting them moving and turning

1:58:55 their hands like that works really

1:58:57 well so it was just one of the things i saw there that i didn’t

1:59:00 see here plus we have a big

1:59:01 agricultural um initiative to tie ag in and kennedy’s got a lot

1:59:05 of those fields that don’t get used

1:59:07 in the back you know what i mean so there might be something to

1:59:10 do so that’s all just an idea

1:59:12 thank you exciting times so um obviously full steam ahead and uh

1:59:19 as far as financing i look forward to

1:59:22 uh hearing some of your ideas i mean we’re always amazed at what

1:59:26 you can do with the financing options

1:59:29 there and i’m sure you’re looking forward to all the uh

1:59:32 combinations and permutations that we may have

1:59:34 for uh financing but uh i think we’re in a good position and uh

1:59:39 it’s exciting to uh be able to

1:59:41 provide for the students um all the students and in this

1:59:46 particular case uh both uh from the north

1:59:49 side uh north and the south so uh i look forward to watching

1:59:53 this project um start and finish and um

1:59:57 again wonderful job and i appreciate any other questions for dr

2:00:02 rendell nothing no i think um

2:00:05 as has been said a lot of really really good work has been done

2:00:08 on this project so

2:00:10 we’re ready to go we just wanted one more final approval before

2:00:14 we go any further

2:00:15 thank you all right thank you

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2:04:04 and we’ll be able to get out of the process and we’ll be able to

2:04:06 get out of the process.

2:04:07 We’ll be able to get out of the process and we’ll be able to get

2:04:09 out of the process and we’ll be able to get out of the process

2:04:11 and we’ll be able to get out of the process and we’ll be able to

2:04:13 get out of the process.

2:04:14 We’ll be able to get out of the process and we’ll be able to get

2:04:17 out of the process and we’ll be able to get out of the process

2:04:19 and we’ll be able to get out of the process.

2:04:21 We’ll be right back.

2:09:21 All right.

2:09:29 The last topic on the agenda today is policy review.

2:09:32 Please open the attached documents for review.

2:09:35 Thank you for such an amazing job, Ms. Lehman, for making sure

2:09:45 we’ve had all of our policies ready.

2:09:50 All right.

2:10:00 So does any board member have anything we want to start on the

2:10:07 first one at 0169.1?

2:10:11 Mr. Chair, Mr. Chair, for this public participation, correct?

2:10:20 Yeah.

2:10:21 So I looked at the two proposed ones, and I’d just like to

2:10:28 submit a few thoughts and also potential, some things I’d like

2:10:35 to see personally, I’d personally like to see changed.

2:10:39 So if we’re going to be, if we’re going to be, if we’re going to

2:10:41 be modifying our public participation policy, I think we should

2:10:44 be looking to expand engagement, not restrict it.

2:10:46 And so I think we all want varying perspectives, we all want

2:10:51 transparency, we all want to, you know, promote engagement.

2:10:56 And so I don’t want to make any policy that is geared towards

2:11:01 any dynamic that exists right now, because that dynamic could

2:11:05 change politically five years from now.

2:11:07 So I’d like to make, you know, I’d like to have a free,

2:11:10 encourage as much participation as possible.

2:11:14 And a couple of things I’d like to change.

2:11:18 One is very minor.

2:11:19 One is in the first paragraph of both of the examples.

2:11:24 It says that the members of the public shall be given a

2:11:27 reasonable opportunity to be heard on a proposition before the

2:11:32 board.

2:11:32 And personally, I don’t see why we even need to include the word

2:11:35 reasonable, just that they should be given an opportunity to be

2:11:38 heard.

2:11:42 Next one would be on, for the portion where there’s, there, we’re

2:11:51 talking about the public addressing agenda items before, or at

2:11:56 the beginning of the meeting.

2:11:58 So I personally would like to have three minutes on each agenda

2:12:01 item, not three minutes collectively.

2:12:04 So as I understand it, if we had 10 things on the agenda, and

2:12:08 somebody wanted to speak on five of them, they’d have to condense

2:12:12 their comments to a total of three minutes at the time allotted

2:12:15 when we go to speak.

2:12:16 So I would like to have public comment before each agenda item,

2:12:21 so we can allow maximum participation among the public.

2:12:26 And those are my comments.

2:12:30 Okay.

2:12:34 Paul, is the word reasonable in there for legal purpose?

2:12:36 I think that comes straight out of test.

2:12:38 Yeah, it’s, NEOLA included it because they, you’re only required

2:12:42 by law to provide a reasonable time.

2:12:45 And some districts say up to 30 minutes or 60 minutes for public

2:12:48 comments.

2:12:49 So the more speakers you have, the less time they get to address

2:12:52 the board.

2:12:53 So that’s why it’s in there.

2:12:54 And just one final comment on that.

2:12:56 Just my perspective is, is that we’re not, we’re in no hurry.

2:13:00 You know, we’re here on any particular item that public should

2:13:03 be able to address us.

2:13:05 I don’t disagree with three, you know, having a time limit, but

2:13:08 they should be able to address us on each item that they have a

2:13:11 concern about.

2:13:11 And we’re not in a race to get done with the meeting.

2:13:16 We’re here for them, and we’re here to create the best policies

2:13:18 possible.

2:13:19 So we should be able to, I think we should afford the public the

2:13:22 maximum amount of opportunity to speak.

2:13:24 And I’ll try not to pop in the wall.

2:13:27 Okay.

2:13:28 Hey, do it all you need to.

2:13:30 So I wanted, I just have a thought that that word reasonable

2:13:35 actually comes straight out of statute.

2:13:39 So without, I was just trying to pull one up.

2:13:41 But I don’t have a problem with reasonable.

2:13:45 I think it’s, I don’t, for me it’s not an offensive or a

2:13:49 limiting thing.

2:13:50 It’s just, one of the things that we have actually in the policy,

2:13:54 I think this would go to reasonable, is there’s actually a part

2:13:58 that says that the public comment doesn’t have to be in the same

2:14:02 meeting.

2:14:03 For example, if we, I don’t know if we’ve done this specific

2:14:10 thing, but if we knew there was a big thing coming up, and we

2:14:14 were going to take a vote, and there was going to be lots of

2:14:16 public interest, we could have a separate meeting, you know, or

2:14:18 if we’d known we had people, well actually we have done this

2:14:21 before.

2:14:22 But let me play out my scenario.

2:14:23 If we want to have a special meeting, because we knew there were

2:14:26 going to be people coming out in droves, and we have a special

2:14:28 meeting just to hear all the public comment, we can take the

2:14:30 vote at another meeting.

2:14:30 Don’t have to have any public comment at that, right?

2:14:32 That’s part of our policy.

2:14:33 One of the times we actually did engage that was during the mask

2:14:38 decisions, we had had public comment for months, and so we

2:14:43 actually had a meeting where we did not have public comment, but

2:14:48 we shortened it all down to one minute apiece, I think, because

2:14:50 we’d heard lots of things about masks, and really didn’t need

2:14:54 necessarily more public comment about masks at that particular

2:14:56 time.

2:14:58 So, I think, you know, I don’t have a problem with reasonable,

2:15:02 we can go back and forth and see.

2:15:04 Comments before every item, it’s interesting, because we’ve had

2:15:08 different people come up with different suggestions and say, oh,

2:15:12 you should do it like the county commissioners, you should do

2:15:14 this, that, the other.

2:15:14 We have, you know, the authority and reasonableness to make it

2:15:19 how we want.

2:15:20 I don’t know that I would be in favor, me individually, of doing

2:15:24 for every single item, but, you know, because of the consent,

2:15:28 you know, I think there is a possibility for it to be abused.

2:15:34 You know, and I’m not saying we’re in a hurry, but, you know, we

2:15:38 have had, at different times, opportunities when we have policy

2:15:42 hearings, where people can come up and speak six different times.

2:15:46 They can come up and speak, at the times when we approve 50

2:15:48 policies in one meeting, they had the opportunity, they could

2:15:51 have come up and spoken 50 times.

2:15:55 But, so we have, but at least to put consent together, really,

2:15:58 besides consent, the only thing that we have, that we don’t have

2:16:01 separate, if we have anything to vote on besides consent, we

2:16:04 have a public hearing for, which is a separate public comment

2:16:08 time, the action agenda, so, which really is just the contracts,

2:16:14 procurement, those are the main things.

2:16:17 But, anything beyond that has its own separate public comment

2:16:20 time, so, if you wanted to separate out the contracts, I guess

2:16:23 so, but I wouldn’t, I’m not particularly in favor of separating

2:16:25 out for every single thing, but rather, you know, if we wanted

2:16:29 to have an extra one, we could do it if anybody had public

2:16:31 comment time on, public comments on any particular contracts,

2:16:34 which would go under procurement.

2:16:38 I, pardon me, Mr. Chair, I’m going to go through, when I first

2:16:41 looked through, I went through what Mary Jo sent us, which was

2:16:44 the NEOLA, and then Paul sent us the one that he had recommended,

2:16:49 and which was really our policy, with some changes.

2:16:53 I, the thing, so I want to make sure that we, which was good,

2:16:59 because we had a section in there about signs, which the NEOLA

2:17:04 policy didn’t have, we want to make sure we have that

2:17:07 information.

2:17:08 information about signs, so that people are informed before they

2:17:10 come.

2:17:11 Sorry, let me get my notes.

2:17:17 And, we also had our own rules about the sign up, which I think

2:17:21 we need to continue to have that, that people can sign up all

2:17:24 the way to the beginning of the public comment time.

2:17:27 But, I would say, we want to make sure, if we could add a word

2:17:30 in there that says, the first public comment time, so people can

2:17:35 sign up all the way till we get to that first public comment

2:17:37 time.

2:17:38 And, that’s when it will end for both sessions, and I don’t know

2:17:40 if it says that specifically.

2:17:42 Thank you, Paul, for putting these definitions.

2:17:47 Also, the NEOLA policy deleted irrelevant, and I think that’s a

2:17:51 really important part, and actually, I think you put it in a

2:17:54 couple different ways, about irrelevant, because we don’t really

2:17:57 need people coming, talking about things that we have absolutely

2:18:00 no control over.

2:18:03 Like, the space shuttle program not being canceled, or, you know,

2:18:06 I’m just trying to think of random things that actually haven’t

2:18:08 come to us, but we’ve had, just as irrelevant or more, things

2:18:11 come to us.

2:18:11 So, I think it’s important to define those, all those

2:18:15 definitions, for us to allow, for us to prohibit profanity, expletives,

2:18:20 that’s in a reasonable way.

2:18:21 I think that takes care of some of my concerns, I know, with

2:18:24 some of the changes that we have been challenged to do by the

2:18:27 courts.

2:18:27 I feel like, okay, don’t call it obscene, don’t call it abusive,

2:18:31 but it’s still profane, and I think for decorum’s sake, which

2:18:35 the state law allows for us to do, we need to include those

2:18:37 definitions.

2:18:38 There was one thing, when we talked about yesterday, do you

2:18:42 remember what it was?

2:18:44 I can’t remember now, because I didn’t write it down.

2:18:46 Which part?

2:18:47 There was, remember the thing?

2:18:50 The FCC things, where we needed to add a word or something?

2:18:52 Oh, yes, yes, yes.

2:18:53 So, yes.

2:18:54 So, in board, if you’ll look, if you’re looking at the one that

2:18:58 has all the red lines on the highlights, it’s on, it’s page five.

2:19:01 Not that one.

2:19:04 It’s the, it’s the word doc.

2:19:09 I’m sorry, I don’t, I didn’t ask for paper copy, because I

2:19:12 preferred to have mine digital, sorry.

2:19:13 There is a section about the FCC, and we’ve been challenged on

2:19:18 this a couple of times, that because we’re a public entity, we

2:19:22 don’t have to follow FCC guidelines.

2:19:24 But we do have the option to say that the board adopts the FCC

2:19:29 guidelines when it comes to indecent profane content.

2:19:34 Obviously, you know, the state says parents can come and read

2:19:37 from books that are, they’re, they’re challenging in our media

2:19:41 centers, but I’m not, the reason why I would, I would want to

2:19:48 potentially do that is because there’s some things that are in

2:19:52 the FCC regulations that I think, even excluding profanity,

2:19:59 you know, FCC, one of the things, quotes that’s in here, if FCC

2:20:02 describes profane content as content that excludes grossly

2:20:05 offensive language, that is considered a public nuisance, I

2:20:08 would put forward that I think if someone is going to use a

2:20:12 racial slur

2:20:12 in public comment time, that’s not necessarily an expletive, but

2:20:17 it would be inappropriate, and against decorum.

2:20:21 Now, that could also go under inciting, which the policy that,

2:20:26 the changes that Paul put forward to us includes inciting

2:20:29 language, but I think here’s a possibility for us to just say,

2:20:33 you know, we’re going to, even, whether we’re videotaping it or

2:20:36 not,

2:20:36 the board chooses to align our rules of decorum with the FCC,

2:20:40 whether or not we actually have to abide by them or not.

2:20:46 But I, I just, again, just to have some kind of decorum that we

2:20:50 can, we can maintain.

2:20:52 Can I, can I weigh in on this just, I mean, obviously we’re

2:20:55 talking about this, so it’s a conversation.

2:20:56 I don’t know how it would be the board’s responsibility to

2:21:00 regulate the public comment to comply with FCC.

2:21:03 I think we could really get ourselves in the weeds here, weeds

2:21:05 again with, are we going to listen to the comment in its

2:21:07 entirety?

2:21:08 I mean, there’s a lot that’s going on that I would be hesitant

2:21:11 to say we’re going to comply with FCC regulations,

2:21:14 because I, I’m afraid that we will be in a policing situation

2:21:18 again, as we have been in the past.

2:21:21 That’s my personal thoughts on that.

2:21:23 Paul, can you weigh in on FCC regulations?

2:21:25 Which part?

2:21:26 I mean, the FCC provides some additional guidance from the

2:21:30 perspective of profanity and content

2:21:33 that may be helpful to a board on what is reasonable as far as

2:21:38 decorum goes.

2:21:39 And those rules are already out there.

2:21:41 So you’re not trying to start from scratch, like our definitions

2:21:46 and things.

2:21:47 So, you know, the chair would have some guidance to lean on.

2:21:50 And that’s why when I spoke with Howard and Jennifer, they were,

2:21:53 you know, kind of,

2:21:54 let’s expand the FCC stuff and include some more of their

2:21:58 guidance on our policy.

2:22:01 Obviously, it’s up to you guys whether you want to include that

2:22:04 or not.

2:22:04 But if we weren’t taping them, then it would be irrelevant,

2:22:07 correct?

2:22:07 I mean, it’s only, that only matters for, if we’re projecting it

2:22:10 out of the world.

2:22:11 The FCC rules apply if you’re broadcasting on network television.

2:22:15 Right.

2:22:16 So if you adopt their standards for your meeting, as far as

2:22:20 reasonable decorum goes,

2:22:22 you can apply it during your public comment, whether you’re

2:22:24 broadcasting on network anyways.

2:22:25 You wouldn’t be held legally liable by the FCC if you’re not

2:22:29 broadcasting on network.

2:22:31 But you’re just saying, we are taking their standards for what’s

2:22:34 appropriate during 6 and 10 o’clock

2:22:37 and applying it to our meetings.

2:22:39 That’s where you would be incorporating their standards.

2:22:42 Okay.

2:22:44 All right.

2:22:46 Well, I’ll let the conversation continue.

2:22:47 Sorry.

2:22:48 Go ahead, Ms. Campbell.

2:22:49 I don’t know if you were done.

2:22:49 That was kind of where I came to a pause.

2:22:51 I may come back around later.

2:22:53 But that’s, those are the, those are my initial thoughts on this.

2:22:56 The only thing is, I don’t think we included in here any piece

2:23:01 about, we’ll need to give

2:23:02 direction on cameras.

2:23:06 You didn’t put anything about the cameras, did you?

2:23:09 The cutting of the cameras?

2:23:11 Mm-hmm.

2:23:12 I thought there was something where we cut, yeah, we cut at the

2:23:15 non-agenda items, I thought.

2:23:17 I’m sorry.

2:23:17 What letter?

2:23:18 I mean, I probably missed that.

2:23:28 So, one of the things we do is, is we have the form that they

2:23:54 are to identify the agenda

2:23:56 item or the non-agenda item ahead of time.

2:23:58 What’s that?

2:23:59 I don’t mind.

2:23:59 Oh.

2:24:00 So, I just wanted to make sure, because it dances around, this

2:24:04 policy, to be honest with

2:24:06 you guys, I’m glad that Paul did what he did and put this

2:24:09 together, because this policy

2:24:11 is kind of a, it’s been rewritten like three or four times, so

2:24:14 you have like carryover from

2:24:16 other policies, and you’re reading some of it sometimes, and you’re

2:24:18 like, man, where’d

2:24:19 that come from?

2:24:19 And I remember where it came from.

2:24:21 So, just my main points was, is that we always have somebody

2:24:24 fill out a form identifying

2:24:26 if they’re going to speak to the agenda item, or if they’re

2:24:27 going to speak to the non-agenda

2:24:29 item, right?

2:24:29 That way it separates it and we get it clear.

2:24:31 We, it didn’t speak to this, but we kind of have it in there

2:24:34 that they’re allowed to

2:24:36 fill out those forms all the way up until we start public

2:24:39 comment.

2:24:39 And the reason for that is, is that I’ve seen a lot of, in the

2:24:42 past, whether they’re employees

2:24:44 of the district or moms or dads or somebody that are getting off

2:24:47 work, and having it at

2:24:48 the start of the meeting kind of cuts them out because there’s

2:24:50 no way they can get here.

2:24:51 So, I think giving them the opportunity to speak up until the

2:24:54 time that we go to public

2:24:55 comment is good.

2:24:56 And that’s for the first time.

2:24:58 So, not that you can come into the non-agenda item and show up

2:25:00 at, you know, 8 o’clock at

2:25:02 night and with a bunch of people and start speaking.

2:25:03 Also, the public speaking, I read it in one, and I’m not sure if

2:25:08 it was in the other.

2:25:09 Should, if they’re speaking to the agenda item, it has to be

2:25:12 about the agenda item.

2:25:13 It can’t be that they’re, you know what I mean, moving on, you

2:25:17 know, start talking about

2:25:18 a bunch of other stuff and, you know what I mean, ramble and

2:25:20 stuff like that.

2:25:21 And then, agended items versus non-agended items.

2:25:24 We have the agenda items going on during the board business and

2:25:28 then the non-agenda items

2:25:29 afterwards.

2:25:30 Paul, I was confused because some of the, it says, what I

2:25:34 thought we did was we end the

2:25:35 business meeting and then we sit and wait for the speakers to

2:25:39 speak and stuff like that.

2:25:40 Is that correct?

2:25:40 Is that the proper process?

2:25:42 You mean, are you adjourning the meeting?

2:25:45 Yeah, you adjourn the meeting.

2:25:46 You can if that’s how you want to set it up, but then the board

2:25:49 is not required to stay.

2:25:51 There’s, if you guys don’t like what you’re hearing, I can’t

2:25:54 prevent all of you from getting

2:25:55 up and walking out of the board meeting.

2:25:57 Well, if you don’t adjourn the meeting, I have to have three

2:26:00 members sitting in the room.

2:26:02 Otherwise, it’s like, we got to stop the meeting because I don’t

2:26:05 have a quorum.

2:26:06 I’ll be honest with you.

2:26:07 I think that we should all stay for those non-agenda items, you

2:26:10 know what I mean, through

2:26:10 them.

2:26:11 And I know that it’s difficult sometimes, but I think that’s our

2:26:13 due diligence.

2:26:14 But I do know that I think that we should adjourn it just

2:26:17 because of the way the legalities

2:26:19 and everything else do it and we can sit there and listen to

2:26:21 them.

2:26:21 I would make that recommendation.

2:26:24 And then I would also say that our agenda items, you move to

2:26:27 three minutes just like we

2:26:29 had, and then for the non-agenda items afterwards, we can move

2:26:32 to one minute with the board chair

2:26:34 being able to give extension for more minutes if they want to.

2:26:37 And the reason I came up with that is not to cut back on people’s

2:26:39 speaking times, but the

2:26:42 issue is that I saw that with the Department of Education and it

2:26:44 went very well.

2:26:45 When people are there to speak about a topic, then they can do

2:26:49 it in a minute and the board

2:26:50 chair can say I extend the time if they would like to.

2:26:53 Those are just some of my suggestions, but I know we’re workshopping

2:26:56 around, but I think

2:26:58 we’re in a pretty good spot with most of it, but it’s all just a

2:27:00 thought.

2:27:01 Nice.

2:27:02 Megan?

2:27:03 That’s right.

2:27:04 So, again, I hear what you’re saying, Mr. Thomas, and I actually,

2:27:08 I agree with you.

2:27:09 We don’t want to limit public participation in the governance of

2:27:12 what the board is doing.

2:27:13 I think the problem that we have right now or that we have seen

2:27:16 happen is that a lot of

2:27:17 times the public comment isn’t regarding governance.

2:27:19 It’s regarding other things.

2:27:21 And so that’s taking us away from really what we’re supposed to

2:27:23 be doing.

2:27:24 I like the idea of splitting agenda versus non-agenda.

2:27:29 I think that that would be smart for the board to do.

2:27:30 So that’s kind of what this policy that Paul has typed up has

2:27:33 laid out for us.

2:27:33 I don’t support adopting the FCC rules and regulations.

2:27:38 That’s me personally.

2:27:39 I don’t think we should do that because I’m concerned that it’s

2:27:42 going to put us in a situation

2:27:44 to stop someone from saying something because we’re concerned we’re

2:27:47 violating FCC regulations

2:27:48 when really, again, we’re not supposed to police the public

2:27:52 comment.

2:27:52 That was one of the big messages that we got from what came out

2:27:55 of some recent litigation.

2:27:57 Yeah.

2:27:58 Can I do that real quick?

2:27:58 Yeah.

2:27:59 One of the things that we were concerned about going with the

2:28:02 FCC was because we didn’t want

2:28:04 them to speak in those terms while we were online for the public.

2:28:07 But if we move that to the non-agenda at the end and we allow

2:28:10 them to speak afterwards without

2:28:12 the cameras, I think it dovetails into what you’re trying to say.

2:28:15 You don’t necessarily need the FCC part of it.

2:28:17 So in order to give people ample time to speak about the agenda

2:28:25 items, because they might

2:28:27 have, they may very well have six agenda items on there that

2:28:31 they want to speak about.

2:28:32 And that is going to be really hard to get in front of us and

2:28:35 give us a clear thought

2:28:37 of what they’re trying to say for six agenda items in three

2:28:39 minutes.

2:28:39 Would the board’s appetite be to extend maybe the possibility if

2:28:43 they list so many agenda items

2:28:45 we can rank it, I don’t know if it’s one through five, they get

2:28:48 three minutes if they want

2:28:50 to speak for more than that.

2:28:51 I don’t know.

2:28:52 Are we overcomplicating it?

2:28:53 I’m just trying to think of how do we balance the idea of

2:28:55 letting them have the ability to speak

2:28:56 and be able to convey what they want to us as a board, hear them.

2:29:00 That is our responsibility is to listen to the public and hear

2:29:02 what they’re saying in

2:29:03 regards to things that we’re governing and voting on.

2:29:05 I can help.

2:29:08 In all the years I’ve been on the board, I’ve never seen anybody

2:29:12 not be able to speak to

2:29:13 the agenda items they have, right?

2:29:15 So they had the three minutes and no matter what was on there, I

2:29:17 never heard anybody moving

2:29:19 through multiple agenda items.

2:29:20 Not to say that that’s not true.

2:29:22 That’s the reason that I put in there the board chair can give

2:29:26 the opportunity

2:29:26 to extend and you know and I know just as well that when

2:29:29 somebody’s up there trying to pour

2:29:31 their heart out to us and give us their opinions and stuff like

2:29:33 that, that the board chair can

2:29:34 extend and I think that would be the opportunity to do so.

2:29:37 I’m open to ideas but I do know that once we start doing that,

2:29:40 it starts opening into Pandora’s box.

2:29:42 I like where Thomas is going.

2:29:47 I do.

2:29:47 I like what he’s saying about expanding.

2:29:49 I just know we’ve never seen it to where I just be honest that

2:29:52 an individual comes in and

2:29:53 says, okay, I’m going to speak about these 15.

2:29:56 We’re going to go through it because we don’t still usually don’t

2:29:57 have that.

2:29:58 So I think that it’d be cleaner to just say board chair can

2:30:02 extend the conversation if they’re

2:30:03 bringing up good points.

2:30:05 Is that not in here already that we can extend minutes upon a

2:30:08 vote?

2:30:08 It seems one and not the other.

2:30:09 I just wanted to kind of hone a little bit.

2:30:11 If I could clarify just that one point, Mr. Susan, that’s I

2:30:15 definitely would like to when

2:30:17 I say have three minutes for each agenda item, the conversation

2:30:21 needs to be germane to what

2:30:23 we’re talking for that agenda item.

2:30:24 In my experience, and I did it for eight years on a city council

2:30:27 that had a similar policy to

2:30:29 what I’m suggesting, it was not abused, not saying it could not,

2:30:32 you know, there are certainly

2:30:33 potential, but there’s always a potential in anything.

2:30:36 But it does afford on specific, especially where that’s going to

2:30:42 come up in majority of the

2:30:44 time, I think, is going to be on issues.

2:30:46 If there are a couple of big issues or serious issues that we’re

2:30:49 addressing in a particular

2:30:50 board meeting, it gives the public a chance to talk about that

2:30:53 without rushing through it.

2:30:54 It gives us a chance to understand what they’re talking about

2:30:56 instead of just trying to

2:30:58 fit everything into three minutes.

2:30:59 No, and I know, and that’s, and so like our large issues, I look

2:31:02 back, and Ms. Campbell,

2:31:03 you can agree with me or disagree, but our large issues usually

2:31:06 come at the, when we do

2:31:08 our policies.

2:31:08 So our policies all have separate speaking engagements on each

2:31:12 one of them, whether that

2:31:14 was masks.

2:31:14 And they do get the, yeah, they get the opportunity to speak to

2:31:17 it.

2:31:17 And those aren’t, and those aren’t abused, I mean, from what I

2:31:20 saw, I mean, most of the

2:31:20 time there’s not public comment.

2:31:21 No, it’s not.

2:31:22 I mean, honestly, most of the time.

2:31:23 Well, people, it depends, I mean, when we did like 50 at a time,

2:31:26 no, but most of the time

2:31:27 we don’t have 50 at a time.

2:31:28 We’ll, we’ll have some on these, but the chair calls them up,

2:31:32 and it’s not even a sign-up

2:31:33 time.

2:31:34 If you want to speak on this policy, line up, and it’s still the

2:31:37 three minutes, they still

2:31:38 get a full three minutes.

2:31:39 I personally think they should sign up before they do it.

2:31:43 I agree with Mr. Susan as far as up to it, have a cutoff a

2:31:46 little after the start of the

2:31:47 meeting, but having people sign up for the, for particular

2:31:51 agenda items allows the chair

2:31:53 to run, or Paul to, but the Paul, Paul and the chair to run the

2:31:57 meeting, you know, with

2:31:59 some, some structure.

2:32:01 I’m curious, how do you manage that with a consent agenda?

2:32:06 Because we’re going to vote consent altogether.

2:32:07 So, maybe we define that.

2:32:09 I don’t have any, it’s the primary agenda items.

2:32:12 Consent, for instance, unless something’s pulled off of it, I

2:32:14 guess we could leave it where somebody

2:32:15 can comment on something that’s not pulled off the agenda item.

2:32:19 But, you know, I’m going back on memory.

2:32:22 I think we allowed that in there, but very rarely was there a

2:32:25 comment about the consent

2:32:27 agenda if nobody pulled something.

2:32:29 Right.

2:32:30 Well, because the board, the way we do it now, and I’m just

2:32:32 trying to think how I’ve seen

2:32:33 other boards do it, the way we do it now is the public comment

2:32:36 time comes before the board

2:32:38 has the opportunity to pull anything.

2:32:39 So, we don’t even take a motion to accept the consent agenda

2:32:43 until public comment’s completely

2:32:44 done.

2:32:44 I could see how, but however, we have had before where people

2:32:48 have said,

2:32:49 people come up and during the public comment time, which is

2:32:50 before all that, they address

2:32:52 something that concerns one or more board members.

2:32:55 And so, then the board member pulls it so we can have a

2:32:57 discussion.

2:32:57 That happens.

2:32:58 But we wouldn’t have more public comment then.

2:33:01 It would just be based on what we heard.

2:33:02 Well, or prior to when we first announced the consent agenda,

2:33:06 somebody could sign up for

2:33:07 the consent agenda, not knowing that something’s pulled or not.

2:33:11 Just like I think last meeting we had concern over field trips.

2:33:14 I don’t know if that was, I think it was on the consent.

2:33:18 Anyways, somebody sees something on the consent agenda that they

2:33:21 want to comment on, they can

2:33:22 comment on it, whether we pull it or not.

2:33:24 They could just, they have the, and it might cause one of us to

2:33:27 say, hey, you’re right,

2:33:28 I want to pull that, because after you brought that point,

2:33:30 somebody brings a point up.

2:33:31 I want to circle back to what you meant to be here, Mr. Chair.

2:33:37 Yes.

2:33:37 So pertaining to what you had said, Ms. Campbell, though, that

2:33:41 meant the issues that we’re going

2:33:43 to have public comment on, we’ve had public comment time before

2:33:47 it gets to the board meeting,

2:33:48 policy meeting, where they can come up.

2:33:50 And it hasn’t been abused, which then would, in turn, then we

2:33:54 don’t need to make a, in my opinion,

2:33:56 special policy for it to be in our board meeting, because it’s

2:34:02 not being abused or used as much

2:34:05 in our policymaking sessions.

2:34:07 So I’m all for not limiting speech.

2:34:11 That’s why I’m for giving more multiple times, you know, on

2:34:15 agenda items and at the end.

2:34:17 I would not be in support of per agenda item, because we haven’t

2:34:23 had, I’m like, I think Matt

2:34:25 said it, I don’t believe we’ve had many three-minute talks, and

2:34:29 then they were talking about a specific

2:34:31 agenda item and needed more time to talk about an agenda item.

2:34:34 We just haven’t had that.

2:34:37 So we’re actually, I mean, we potentially could be, you know,

2:34:40 doubling public comment time

2:34:42 if we give them two different points to speak.

2:34:44 You know, it is a business meeting.

2:34:48 That’s where we need to conduct our business, and it’s one thing

2:34:51 I did learn at FSBA in December

2:34:53 was even sometimes board members don’t even realize the purpose

2:34:57 of a business meeting.

2:34:59 It’s to conduct the business of the district, and what it’s not

2:35:04 is just to inform the public.

2:35:07 It’s part of, you know, we need to be in Sunshine to conduct our

2:35:10 business, but it isn’t an evening

2:35:14 to just do nothing but inform the public of what we’re doing.

2:35:19 They’re informed by watching us.

2:35:21 That’s why we have to do it under Sunshine.

2:35:24 So we can’t get caught up in that.

2:35:25 Sometimes a yes vote or a no vote is fine.

2:35:27 We don’t need to explain it for 15 minutes afterwards to the

2:35:31 public because, trust me,

2:35:33 they know how to get in touch with us, and they’re going to call

2:35:36 us, and they’re going to email us.

2:35:37 And we can’t do that with every vote, and we give them that time.

2:35:41 We don’t even have to have that time in there, but we give them

2:35:43 that time to speak for nothing on our agenda

2:35:47 at the end, over and beyond the time that we’re going to give

2:35:51 them potentially on a specific agenda item.

2:35:55 So I’m all for that.

2:35:56 More speech, the better.

2:35:58 Mr. Susan, you had mentioned, you know what, I’m going to be

2:36:01 twice as generous than you.

2:36:03 I mean, I would think maybe, you know, two minutes at the end.

2:36:06 I mean, I would like to give speakers more time on agenda items

2:36:10 than non-agenda items.

2:36:12 So, I mean, to speak for five minutes in front of the board, you

2:36:16 can get a lot of information out,

2:36:18 a lot of topics out, some on the agenda item and some at the end

2:36:20 on the non-agenda item.

2:36:22 And I would also be for adjourning and then having our public

2:36:27 speaker or the public comment time.

2:36:31 I believe then when they’re done, you know, we’re out of

2:36:34 sunshine and we need to, you know,

2:36:36 we’re already adjourned so we can move on.

2:36:39 I think it’s a cleaner cut.

2:36:43 And, of course, we’re all, I would assume we’re all going to

2:36:47 stay and stick around, you know,

2:36:50 but in talking to some of the boards around the state, that’s,

2:36:53 they, they do that and it’s been successful.

2:36:58 So, I think that’s where you see where I’m coming from.

2:37:01 Absolutely.

2:37:04 And that is true as well.

2:37:06 And we continue wanting to hear that.

2:37:08 And I think it’s important that we hear from people and I’ll

2:37:11 always be there.

2:37:11 I’ve never, you know what I mean, but I just, my whole thing is,

2:37:15 is that that non-agenda item,

2:37:17 usually I’ve seen it in the past and I’m okay to go to two

2:37:20 minutes.

2:37:20 I mean, I’m just, my whole thing is, is that if we wanted to

2:37:23 listen to them and stuff like that,

2:37:24 if they can’t get it out in a minute, then you can always just

2:37:27 say, hey, I’d give you an extra time.

2:37:28 Right.

2:37:28 But if somebody’s abusing it.

2:37:30 So, the way this policy is written is it takes a board vote to

2:37:32 extend the time, which is fine.

2:37:33 That’s the board.

2:37:34 Well, and just to clarify, if that’s, that extended time is not,

2:37:37 let’s vote on the,

2:37:38 so this person can get extra time.

2:37:40 That is, if we’re going to say, you know, for this meeting, we’re

2:37:42 only going to have 30 minutes,

2:37:43 which our policy used to say only 30 minutes, then we vote to

2:37:46 have more than 30 minutes of public comment time.

2:37:48 That’s not, give us extra person.

2:37:50 And I, that one I think is dangerous because if, even if the

2:37:53 chair is allowed to extend,

2:37:55 you talk about viewpoint discrimination.

2:37:57 I want to hear more from you, Mr. So-and-so, but Mr. So-and-so,

2:38:01 I’m done with you.

2:38:02 You guys have three minutes.

2:38:03 I was so, the timer never could come fast enough.

2:38:06 You know, I mean, I think we’re dangerous, in danger of getting

2:38:09 in trouble for that.

2:38:10 I think it’s better for just say three minutes, thank you.

2:38:13 If they’ve got more to say and they didn’t get it in in the

2:38:15 three minutes,

2:38:15 then they’re other ways to communicate.

2:38:17 Or whatever minutes, yeah.

2:38:19 Yeah.

2:38:19 I was done.

2:38:22 You said you’re going to circle back.

2:38:24 I wanted to address the adjourning thing, and clearly we’re kind

2:38:26 of split on this.

2:38:27 I didn’t, we actually haven’t addressed this one yet.

2:38:29 I don’t think Mr. Thomas or Ms. Wright have either.

2:38:32 When we had that vote last week, or last meeting,

2:38:35 and put forward the motions about splitting back up and turning

2:38:39 the cameras off,

2:38:40 my expectation, this is not what happened, and it happened so

2:38:44 fast,

2:38:45 I didn’t, like, get in there fast enough.

2:38:46 My expectation was not that we would actually adjourn the

2:38:48 meeting before we cut the cameras off.

2:38:49 I thought we were just going to cut the cameras off and continue

2:38:52 on.

2:38:52 So we need to make a decision.

2:38:55 Somebody made the point in that, that once we adjourn the

2:38:58 meeting,

2:38:58 that the rules don’t apply because the meeting’s not on.

2:39:01 But I, here’s the thing.

2:39:02 I know we, I’m not comfortable with sitting here and saying,

2:39:05 well, we know we’re all going to stay.

2:39:06 I feel like, not because the rules won’t apply, but,

2:39:10 and not to make everybody sit here, but the meeting is still

2:39:13 going on.

2:39:14 And the danger we ran into at the end of that meeting was,

2:39:17 the meeting was adjourned.

2:39:18 So Sunshine no longer applied.

2:39:20 So we really shouldn’t have had any other conversation.

2:39:23 Now, in truth, and board will have to police ourselves on this,

2:39:26 but, and the chair will have to help police whoever the chair is

2:39:29 at the time,

2:39:29 but we really, at that point, shouldn’t be directing the

2:39:37 superintendent to do anything

2:39:39 or making decisions.

2:39:40 We certainly shouldn’t be voting on the things that, that, that

2:39:43 are, that late in the game.

2:39:44 And I think our policy even says, and has always said,

2:39:46 anything that comes before, it would be put on an, on a later

2:39:49 meeting.

2:39:49 So, but I do think we should still, still do it.

2:39:52 There’s one little part in here, though, that says, so, so my,

2:39:55 my input would be not to adjourn the meeting, but just turn the

2:39:58 cameras off,

2:39:59 have the meeting, and then when the last person’s done,

2:40:03 the chair says the meeting is, uh, is adjourned, unless, you

2:40:06 know,

2:40:07 superintendent thinks of something really quick that he forgot

2:40:09 to tell us.

2:40:09 Um, you know, not, not hard, fast rules,

2:40:13 but we certainly shouldn’t be deliberating at that point in the

2:40:15 meeting.

2:40:16 There is a place that says, and the end of a small letter, I,

2:40:22 um, the board will return on camera to adjourn the meeting.

2:40:25 I don’t think we need that.

2:40:26 Uh, I had that conversation with you, Paul.

2:40:28 I think we can, we can just adjourn the meeting off camera.

2:40:30 There’s no reason why to keep the YouTube video go video on

2:40:34 pause for 45 minutes

2:40:36 for people to sit there and wait till we come on and say that

2:40:38 meeting’s adjourned.

2:40:39 So I, I don’t, I don’t think we need,

2:40:41 I think we need to adjourn it after public, the last public

2:40:43 comment.

2:40:44 Um, I am not in favor of the one minute for non-agenda.

2:40:49 We just had this conversation where we give people more

2:40:51 opportunities

2:40:51 by allowing agenda, non-agenda, whether people liked it separate

2:40:55 before or not.

2:40:56 When we did have it separate, it gives people more opportunity

2:40:59 they have to share with us, which addresses, I think, what you’re

2:41:02 talking about.

2:41:02 Because when we have had that split, people took advantage of it

2:41:05 and in a good, in a good way if they needed to

2:41:07 and had more time to talk, uh, about different things.

2:41:10 When we made that change, being on the board with Mr. Seuss,

2:41:14 and we made that change, um, back in 2021,

2:41:18 the three minutes, two minutes, one minutes,

2:41:21 and the one minute at the end, besides the cameras,

2:41:24 which we never did because of the outcry.

2:41:26 Now there’s a different thing because we have

2:41:27 all the extra complicating factors.

2:41:29 The three, two, one was one of the most,

2:41:31 the people complained about.

2:41:33 Um, one minute, it is hard to get in there

2:41:35 and I think that part of our job is listening.

2:41:37 So because of the variety of topics

2:41:39 that people would want to talk to,

2:41:41 I’m not in favor of restricting.

2:41:43 I think we need to leave it at three minutes.

2:41:44 It’ll be, it’ll be fine last time.

2:41:45 It’ll be fine in the future.

2:41:47 Um, and I, yeah.

2:41:51 And, and I just, just circling back to FCC,

2:41:53 it’s fine if we don’t put it in there

2:41:54 because I think Paul’s written some great definitions

2:41:56 of irrelevant, of profanity, of all those things.

2:42:01 Um, it was just, it’s not a,

2:42:03 I just want to clarify, it was right,

2:42:05 that it’s not that we would need to,

2:42:07 that we would worry about it.

2:42:08 We do have a cable channel.

2:42:10 That’s what it applies to.

2:42:11 It doesn’t apply to YouTube.

2:42:12 We have cable channel,

2:42:12 but as some people have shared with us,

2:42:14 we’re government entities.

2:42:15 So it’s not that we’re,

2:42:16 I’m worried about us getting our hands slapped.

2:42:18 It’s just with some good definitions.

2:42:19 If we don’t want to go with it, that’s fine.

2:42:21 Paul’s got great definitions in there.

2:42:23 Again, I, I go back to my concerns,

2:42:26 which are, um, the things that

2:42:29 those definitions don’t cover

2:42:31 that would, in my mind,

2:42:32 absolutely violate decorum.

2:42:35 Um, but also, um, you know,

2:42:39 because I, people, and to be complete,

2:42:42 let’s just, let’s just put it all on the table.

2:42:44 I don’t think that people who sued us

2:42:45 about their public comment time

2:42:46 want the right to come in here

2:42:48 and throw racial slurs.

2:42:49 Right.

2:42:50 If they are, they’re not the people

2:42:51 that I thought they were.

2:42:52 I don’t think there’s anybody

2:42:54 who thinks that’s a First Amendment right

2:42:55 to come in here and throw racial slurs.

2:42:58 Um, I don’t see anything in here

2:43:02 besides the FCC guidelines

2:43:03 that specifically,

2:43:04 to me, that’s also abusive,

2:43:06 but thanks to the lawsuit,

2:43:07 we’ve decided, and our attorneys,

2:43:09 not just Paul, other attorneys,

2:43:10 as we’ve suggested,

2:43:11 that we don’t put the word abusive in there.

2:43:13 Okay, but how are we going to have decorum?

2:43:16 I’m sorry, I’m getting a little up

2:43:18 because it frustrates me

2:43:20 because it’s been turned into,

2:43:22 you just want to stamp out

2:43:24 and not let me say what I want to say.

2:43:25 No, I want you to not stand at that podium

2:43:28 and speak a student’s name,

2:43:30 which, by the way,

2:43:30 let’s just be clear,

2:43:31 I’m going to go off for just a little bit

2:43:32 if you don’t mind, Mr. Chair.

2:43:33 This upsets me because due to the new rules,

2:43:37 thanks to the 11th Circuit decision,

2:43:39 a parent can walk into our board meeting

2:43:42 during public comment time and say,

2:43:44 my son’s classmate, Charlie Brown,

2:43:49 is, you know, I think he’s cheating

2:43:52 and whatever, and guess what?

2:43:55 Now, we can’t stop them.

2:43:57 So if people ever wonder

2:43:59 why we’re turning the cameras off

2:44:01 and they’re so upset,

2:44:02 I’m sorry.

2:44:04 I, as a board member who has,

2:44:06 you know, along with my colleagues,

2:44:08 who has, while we have authority over this,

2:44:10 I don’t want to allow people

2:44:12 to stand up there and say

2:44:13 a student’s name,

2:44:15 a teacher’s name,

2:44:16 and they can say,

2:44:17 oh, well, they can sue them

2:44:18 for libel and whatever

2:44:19 and, you know, people can record it,

2:44:21 put out social media, okay,

2:44:22 but not over our YouTube channel.

2:44:24 I don’t think you need to be able

2:44:26 to say a child’s name

2:44:27 and the 11th Circuit

2:44:29 doesn’t allow us to prevent that.

2:44:32 Am I correct, Mr. Gibbs?

2:44:34 You said personally directed.

2:44:35 Personally directed.

2:44:36 So that’s not just to our principals

2:44:38 and our staff

2:44:39 who now can get their names

2:44:40 thrown into the bus and fine,

2:44:41 whatever,

2:44:42 somebody wants to do that,

2:44:44 it’s allowed.

2:44:45 But that also means

2:44:46 they could say it about a student.

2:44:47 And it could be absolutely false.

2:44:51 So, I’m going to calm myself down.

2:44:54 But these are the things.

2:44:57 I don’t want to allow racial slurs

2:44:59 on our YouTube channel.

2:45:00 I don’t want to allow expletives

2:45:02 on our YouTube channel.

2:45:02 If somebody’s reading from a book,

2:45:03 fine, whatever,

2:45:04 that’s the law,

2:45:05 we’re going to do it.

2:45:05 But even though we have stopped them

2:45:08 for using expletives

2:45:10 in reading materials,

2:45:11 and we didn’t pull the books

2:45:12 because we stopped them

2:45:13 for profanity

2:45:13 and not for sexual content.

2:45:15 And I think we can slowly do that.

2:45:16 I think Ms. Wright did a good job

2:45:18 in those decisions as the chair.

2:45:19 So that’s where I’m going.

2:45:21 But I don’t want us

2:45:22 to make the time shorter.

2:45:23 I think I was clear

2:45:25 on the other stuff.

2:45:25 But we’re going to have to

2:45:26 make decisions

2:45:27 to adjourn or not to adjourn

2:45:29 and how much time

2:45:30 to give the non-agenda time.

2:45:31 And I hate that we always

2:45:33 spend so much time

2:45:33 talking about this

2:45:34 dadgum policy.

2:45:35 But not that it’s

2:45:37 not an important decision,

2:45:38 but we need to give Paul

2:45:41 some clarity.

2:45:41 Mr. Chair?

2:45:42 Sure.

2:45:44 I’ll wait my turn

2:45:46 if there’s somebody else more.

2:45:46 No, I was just going to ask,

2:45:47 yes, so if you would,

2:45:49 Paul, give us some insight

2:45:51 on adjourning

2:45:53 or not adjourning,

2:45:54 advantages, disadvantages.

2:45:55 I mean, if you want

2:45:57 to adjourn, I will,

2:45:59 I’m going to have

2:46:00 to draft some language.

2:46:00 I did not build that

2:46:02 into my proposal.

2:46:03 So I’ll have to draft

2:46:04 some language

2:46:04 on how that would work.

2:46:05 I would likely build

2:46:06 in the board agrees

2:46:07 to remain in the room

2:46:09 during the non-adjourn

2:46:10 and provide, you know,

2:46:11 time for members to speak

2:46:13 for however long

2:46:13 you want to provide

2:46:14 the speakers.

2:46:15 And I would say,

2:46:16 I would add into the policy

2:46:18 that reasonable decorum

2:46:19 standards will still apply

2:46:20 during the non-agenda

2:46:22 public comment.

2:46:23 So I can get around

2:46:24 some of that.

2:46:25 The problem I have

2:46:26 is it would just be

2:46:27 the board policy saying

2:46:29 you agree to stay

2:46:30 in the room.

2:46:31 You obviously,

2:46:32 as Ms. Campbell pointed out,

2:46:33 couldn’t discuss anything

2:46:34 after the fact

2:46:35 you’ve adjourned your meeting.

2:46:36 So that’s a problem.

2:46:37 I did not contemplate

2:46:39 adjourning the meeting

2:46:40 on my proposal.

2:46:41 So I’d want to think

2:46:43 through some of that.

2:46:43 But I would recommend

2:46:45 you just cut the camera feed

2:46:47 and then adjourn

2:46:48 after the public comment.

2:46:49 And the only reason

2:46:50 that I, to be honest with you,

2:46:52 it’s not that I’m trying

2:46:53 to get it to where,

2:46:54 because I plan on always,

2:46:55 everybody knows,

2:46:56 I’ve always been

2:46:57 all about people speaking.

2:46:58 And no matter what they say,

2:47:00 I just listen to them

2:47:00 and let them go

2:47:01 when I was chair.

2:47:02 But the thing is,

2:47:04 is that what I was

2:47:05 more concerned about

2:47:06 was the legality

2:47:06 of showing the agended items

2:47:09 on camera

2:47:10 and then not showing

2:47:11 the non-agended items

2:47:12 on camera,

2:47:13 opening us up

2:47:13 for a discrimination

2:47:15 or something like that

2:47:17 is the reason

2:47:18 that I said,

2:47:19 if you just cut it,

2:47:19 we listen

2:47:20 and then we go,

2:47:21 that’s it.

2:47:22 I would expect

2:47:23 the board members

2:47:24 to make sure

2:47:25 that they attend.

2:47:26 But it just makes

2:47:28 a different dynamic.

2:47:29 If there’s going

2:47:31 to be a bunch of people

2:47:31 that are coming in

2:47:32 about a topic

2:47:33 or something like that,

2:47:34 staff might be able

2:47:35 to go home.

2:47:36 We can sit and listen

2:47:37 to these people speak

2:47:38 and then, you know,

2:47:38 make our judgments

2:47:39 and go home.

2:47:40 It’s not an agended item

2:47:41 so we don’t have to vote

2:47:42 to it at that moment.

2:47:42 It’s not anything

2:47:44 that’s coming up.

2:47:44 It’s just that they’re

2:47:45 bringing up something

2:47:46 in the public.

2:47:46 My whole thing was

2:47:47 is that if we,

2:47:48 you know,

2:47:48 it’s one thing

2:47:49 if we allow staff

2:47:51 to go home

2:47:51 during that time

2:47:52 and we don’t vote on it,

2:47:54 we’re not going

2:47:54 to do anything.

2:47:54 We just listen.

2:47:55 It makes no difference

2:47:56 for me.

2:47:57 I don’t care

2:47:57 if we adjourn or not.

2:47:59 It’s just the fact

2:48:01 of opening us up

2:48:02 for the lawsuit

2:48:03 either way

2:48:03 was all I cared about.

2:48:04 That’s all.

2:48:06 Mr. Chair?

2:48:07 Yeah.

2:48:07 Sure.

2:48:07 So just a couple things

2:48:09 just to clarify

2:48:09 my position on it.

2:48:11 I am for adjourning

2:48:13 the meeting

2:48:14 after everything

2:48:14 is done

2:48:15 after public comment.

2:48:16 I’m for having

2:48:18 the three minutes

2:48:19 for both agenda items

2:48:21 although I want

2:48:23 for each agenda item

2:48:24 but the three minute

2:48:26 per speaker

2:48:27 and then the three minutes

2:48:28 for public comment

2:48:31 at the end

2:48:31 for non-agenda items

2:48:32 and I will just

2:48:34 remind the board

2:48:35 just because we’re

2:48:36 talking about

2:48:36 the strategic plan

2:48:37 a little while ago

2:48:38 and one of our

2:48:39 objectives

2:48:42 for community connection

2:48:43 was to enhance

2:48:44 our social district’s

2:48:46 reputation

2:48:46 and appeal

2:48:47 by building trust

2:48:48 and I think

2:48:50 even if it’s not used

2:48:52 by us making the step

2:48:54 of saying

2:48:55 we’re going to allow

2:48:55 three minutes

2:48:56 per agenda item

2:48:56 I’m doing a little bit

2:48:57 of lobbying here

2:48:58 by the way

2:48:58 but that takes a step

2:49:00 that would be

2:49:01 unexpected in the community

2:49:02 that we’re opening it up

2:49:04 to allow more public comment

2:49:06 and I think that sends

2:49:07 the right message.

2:49:08 I don’t think it’s

2:49:10 I just think it sends

2:49:11 the right message

2:49:11 to the community

2:49:12 I don’t think

2:49:12 it would be abused

2:49:13 and I think

2:49:14 it could be beneficial

2:49:15 and if it got to the point

2:49:16 where it turned out

2:49:17 to be abused

2:49:17 then we can always

2:49:18 change the policy

2:49:19 but anyways

2:49:20 I’ve said my piece

2:49:22 on that one

2:49:22 yeah I just want

2:49:25 to make sure

2:49:25 you knew I was

2:49:26 in favor of adjourning

2:49:27 after everything

2:49:28 legally

2:49:30 you’re recommending

2:49:31 that we don’t have

2:49:32 it televised

2:49:33 or have it videotaped

2:49:34 I would cut the feed

2:49:36 before non-agenda

2:49:37 and again

2:49:38 you don’t have

2:49:39 to broadcast

2:49:39 any part of the meeting

2:49:41 you just have

2:49:41 to have minutes

2:49:42 so we could say

2:49:43 we’re not recording

2:49:44 the meeting at all

2:49:44 if you wanted to

2:49:45 so that’s not a requirement

2:49:46 we choose to record

2:49:48 and broadcast

2:49:48 so that’s fine

2:49:49 but yeah

2:49:50 I would recommend

2:49:51 not shut it

2:49:51 and what is

2:49:52 your legal

2:49:53 recommendation

2:49:54 based on

2:49:54 for shutting up

2:49:55 the camera

2:49:56 one it’s like

2:49:57 it protects

2:49:58 as Ms. Campbell said

2:49:59 anybody that says

2:49:59 something

2:50:00 you don’t have

2:50:01 to worry about

2:50:01 it going out

2:50:02 on our feet

2:50:03 if they want

2:50:03 to record it

2:50:04 on their phone

2:50:05 and put it

2:50:05 on their Facebook

2:50:06 that’s fine

2:50:07 they’re creating

2:50:08 that liability

2:50:09 just like

2:50:09 if they set it

2:50:10 on camera

2:50:11 they’re creating

2:50:12 their liability

2:50:12 but it just

2:50:13 protects the district

2:50:14 some

2:50:15 and we aren’t

2:50:16 providing that forum

2:50:17 for them to violate

2:50:18 anybody’s personal

2:50:19 right

2:50:20 thank you

2:50:21 Dr. Rindell

2:50:22 she had a question

2:50:23 for Paul

2:50:23 what if we

2:50:24 they recessed

2:50:25 the meeting

2:50:26 at the end

2:50:27 when we’re done

2:50:28 with all of our business

2:50:28 they recessed

2:50:29 the meeting

2:50:30 have public comment

2:50:31 the meeting’s still

2:50:32 in session

2:50:33 or

2:50:34 the board members

2:50:35 are bound to stay

2:50:36 it’s not in session

2:50:38 but the board members

2:50:38 are bound to stay

2:50:39 because we haven’t

2:50:40 adjourned the meeting

2:50:40 right

2:50:40 the meeting’s still

2:50:41 pending

2:50:42 but you’re going to

2:50:43 be in the same boat

2:50:44 they aren’t

2:50:45 really in session

2:50:46 if they’ve recessed

2:50:47 so it’s just like

2:50:48 when we recess

2:50:49 and take a break here

2:50:51 you’re not supposed

2:50:51 to conduct business

2:50:52 during that time

2:50:53 so they would still

2:50:54 be bound by that

2:50:55 I think if they

2:50:56 just put this

2:50:57 note up saying

2:50:59 or at the end

2:51:00 of the meeting

2:51:00 they would just

2:51:01 cut the feed

2:51:01 and I don’t know

2:51:03 how that would

2:51:04 look on camera

2:51:05 if it just goes black

2:51:06 because we’re letting

2:51:07 staff go at that point

2:51:08 so they don’t have

2:51:09 to sit around

2:51:09 for an hour

2:51:10 and listen to public

2:51:10 comment before we adjourn

2:51:12 that’s something

2:51:13 the board would have

2:51:13 to decide

2:51:14 are we going back

2:51:15 on camera

2:51:16 or not going back

2:51:17 on camera

2:51:17 to adjourn

2:51:18 if we’re going

2:51:20 back on camera

2:51:20 to adjourn

2:51:21 then it would

2:51:21 just say

2:51:22 board is taking

2:51:22 public comment

2:51:23 and that’s what

2:51:24 I’ve seen

2:51:24 other districts do

2:51:25 they don’t show

2:51:26 any public comment

2:51:27 they just say

2:51:28 taking public comment

2:51:30 and then when

2:51:31 public comment’s

2:51:31 over

2:51:32 the feed comes

2:51:33 back on

2:51:33 Dr. Indell

2:51:46 can let staff

2:51:46 when we finish

2:51:47 the agenda part

2:51:48 and we get

2:51:50 to non-agenda

2:51:50 public comment

2:51:51 staff’s free to leave

2:51:52 at that point

2:51:52 if he wants

2:51:53 to let his staff go

2:51:54 I’m going to land

2:51:59 on my vote

2:51:59 this is run out

2:52:00 with this

2:52:00 so I would be

2:52:01 I’m in favor

2:52:02 of splitting

2:52:02 the comment

2:52:03 agenda versus

2:52:03 non-agenda

2:52:04 and moving

2:52:05 non-agenda

2:52:05 to the end

2:52:06 of the meeting

2:52:06 and not televising

2:52:07 I think we should

2:52:08 give the opportunity

2:52:09 for three minutes

2:52:09 for agenda

2:52:10 and three minutes

2:52:10 for non-agenda

2:52:11 so they have

2:52:11 the opportunity

2:52:12 to actually speak

2:52:12 more to us

2:52:13 than they normally

2:52:14 would

2:52:14 that would give

2:52:15 them six minutes

2:52:15 total

2:52:16 in case they wanted

2:52:17 to address

2:52:17 other things

2:52:18 I don’t think

2:52:19 we should adjourn

2:52:20 the meeting

2:52:20 until after

2:52:21 the public comments

2:52:22 are done

2:52:22 just for the

2:52:23 legality purposes

2:52:24 of us

2:52:24 I think it would

2:52:25 be very easy

2:52:25 to violate

2:52:26 sunshine

2:52:27 because we’ve

2:52:28 now adjourned

2:52:28 a meeting

2:52:28 and we’re still

2:52:30 here

2:52:30 and what happens

2:52:31 if we say

2:52:31 something

2:52:32 that we’re

2:52:32 going to vote

2:52:32 on

2:52:32 I think it

2:52:34 just gets us

2:52:34 into the weeds

2:52:34 that we could

2:52:35 potentially

2:52:35 really get in

2:52:36 some trouble

2:52:36 so that’s

2:52:37 kind of where

2:52:37 I landed

2:52:38 and I would

2:52:38 opt to remove

2:52:39 the FCC

2:52:39 portion of it

2:52:41 just because

2:52:41 unfortunately

2:52:42 or you know

2:52:43 unfortunately

2:52:44 fortunately

2:52:44 the only

2:52:45 mouth that we’re

2:52:46 responsible for

2:52:47 and what comes

2:52:47 out of it

2:52:48 is our own

2:52:48 and so we

2:52:49 can’t

2:52:49 we can’t

2:52:50 stop someone

2:52:50 from saying

2:52:51 things that

2:52:51 we don’t like

2:52:52 as much as

2:52:52 I don’t like

2:52:53 that

2:52:53 and I wish

2:52:54 everyone would

2:52:54 hold decorum

2:52:55 and hold

2:52:56 themselves

2:52:56 in a respectable

2:52:56 manner

2:52:57 it’s not

2:52:58 our job

2:52:58 to necessarily

2:52:59 police it

2:52:59 it’s our job

2:53:00 to listen

2:53:00 and be responsive

2:53:01 as the government

2:53:02 agency that we

2:53:03 are

2:53:03 but they get

2:53:04 to say what

2:53:05 they want

2:53:05 that’s the freedom

2:53:06 of speech

2:53:07 that is a blessing

2:53:08 for our nation

2:53:10 that a lot of

2:53:10 countries don’t

2:53:11 have that

2:53:12 so that’s

2:53:13 where I land

2:53:14 on all

2:53:14 of these

2:53:15 things

2:53:15 if you’re

2:53:17 irrelevant

2:53:18 if you’re

2:53:19 using profanity

2:53:20 I mean

2:53:21 the chair

2:53:22 is policing

2:53:22 those things

2:53:23 that’s what

2:53:23 the whole

2:53:24 policy is

2:53:24 about

2:53:25 and then

2:53:26 reason

2:53:27 reasonably

2:53:28 reasonable

2:53:29 yeah

2:53:32 sorry

2:53:33 to clarify

2:53:33 just

2:53:33 total

2:53:35 for the

2:53:35 agenda items

2:53:36 not three

2:53:37 on each

2:53:37 and then

2:53:38 three additional

2:53:39 minutes at the

2:53:39 end for

2:53:40 non-agenda

2:53:40 so if there’s

2:53:41 something they

2:53:41 want to talk

2:53:41 to us about

2:53:42 that’s not

2:53:42 on this

2:53:42 agenda

2:53:43 they can

2:53:43 bring it up

2:53:44 when the

2:53:44 cameras are

2:53:45 off

2:53:45 in case

2:53:45 there’s

2:53:45 something

2:53:46 that

2:53:46 comes

2:53:46 out

2:53:47 that

2:53:47 maybe

2:53:47 isn’t

2:53:48 so

2:53:48 nice

2:53:48 so

2:53:48 it looks

2:53:54 like there’s

2:53:55 a definite

2:53:55 three minute

2:53:57 you know

2:53:57 what I mean

2:53:57 these kind

2:53:58 of things

2:53:58 my only

2:53:59 concern

2:53:59 was to

2:54:01 make sure

2:54:01 that legally

2:54:02 we’re okay

2:54:02 is there a

2:54:03 way that

2:54:03 the chair

2:54:04 can

2:54:04 recess

2:54:06 the meeting

2:54:06 for a second

2:54:07 let staff

2:54:08 go home

2:54:08 get reset

2:54:09 it

2:54:09 then open

2:54:10 it back

2:54:10 up

2:54:11 without

2:54:11 the cameras

2:54:11 on

2:54:12 and run

2:54:13 that

2:54:13 give us

2:54:14 a better

2:54:14 legal

2:54:14 perspective

2:54:15 the question

2:54:16 is going

2:54:16 to be

2:54:16 does the

2:54:17 board

2:54:17 want

2:54:18 to come

2:54:18 back

2:54:19 on

2:54:19 camera

2:54:19 to

2:54:19 adjourn

2:54:20 no

2:54:20 so I mean

2:54:21 if you’re at

2:54:22 that point

2:54:22 I would say

2:54:23 you would probably

2:54:23 take a recess

2:54:24 we’re going to

2:54:25 take a five minute

2:54:25 convenience

2:54:26 break

2:54:26 they can shut

2:54:29 down in there

2:54:30 before we go

2:54:31 into non-agenda

2:54:31 public comment

2:54:32 staff

2:54:33 if the superintendent

2:54:34 wants to let them

2:54:35 go and they want

2:54:36 to leave

2:54:36 can leave

2:54:37 a lot of times

2:54:38 during that

2:54:38 non-agenda

2:54:39 public comment

2:54:40 somebody may say

2:54:41 something that

2:54:41 you know

2:54:42 the superintendent

2:54:43 wants to say

2:54:43 hey can you go

2:54:44 talk to

2:54:45 so and so

2:54:46 in the back

2:54:46 and tell them

2:54:48 the details

2:54:49 so they can be

2:54:49 addressed

2:54:50 at that point

2:54:51 by the appropriate

2:54:52 staff members

2:54:53 I don’t think

2:54:54 you need to write

2:54:55 that into policy

2:54:55 a break

2:54:56 because if we have

2:54:57 a super short

2:54:57 meeting and we’ve

2:54:58 got one non-agenda

2:54:59 person waiting to talk

2:55:00 I don’t want

2:55:00 to take a recess

2:55:01 let’s just hear him

2:55:01 and go home

2:55:03 no as long as

2:55:04 as long as

2:55:04 we’re look at

2:55:05 like I don’t

2:55:05 you know me

2:55:06 I’m not ever

2:55:07 going to shy away

2:55:07 from having people

2:55:08 speak so

2:55:09 if it’s okay

2:55:10 that we can do

2:55:10 all of what

2:55:11 we just said

2:55:11 then we’re good

2:55:12 I think that if we

2:55:13 but if there is

2:55:14 going to be a series

2:55:15 of people that are

2:55:15 there we can say

2:55:16 hey we’ll just

2:55:17 take a recess

2:55:17 let everybody go home

2:55:18 and then we’ll

2:55:18 come back

2:55:19 and we’ll

2:55:19 you know

2:55:19 listen to everybody

2:55:20 speak

2:55:20 yeah

2:55:22 well

2:55:22 isn’t it the fact

2:55:24 that we’re kind

2:55:25 of taking a recess

2:55:26 is because we’re

2:55:26 cutting a camera

2:55:27 so we would still

2:55:28 cut the cameras

2:55:29 with one person

2:55:31 so we would still

2:55:32 our meeting

2:55:33 would look the same

2:55:34 and they just

2:55:35 would not see that

2:55:36 at the very end

2:55:37 because we’ll do it

2:55:37 on camera

2:55:38 he is right

2:55:39 whatever

2:55:39 I mean

2:55:42 we’re going to end

2:55:43 our video part

2:55:44 of the meeting

2:55:46 the same

2:55:47 every time

2:55:48 yeah

2:55:49 I didn’t hear

2:55:51 is everybody

2:55:51 okay with having

2:55:52 them fill out

2:55:53 the agenda

2:55:53 non-agenda

2:55:54 start time

2:55:55 at public comment

2:55:56 just make sure

2:55:57 we’re all okay

2:55:58 with that

2:55:58 okay

2:55:58 yeah

2:55:59 all right

2:55:59 good

2:55:59 so

2:56:00 we already

2:56:00 had that

2:56:01 yeah

2:56:03 it is

2:56:04 when we had it

2:56:05 you give guidance

2:56:06 for this evening’s

2:56:07 meeting

2:56:07 on what the chair

2:56:08 should do

2:56:09 yeah

2:56:10 obviously

2:56:11 if you’re going

2:56:12 to split comment

2:56:12 you have to have

2:56:13 a motion

2:56:13 so because

2:56:14 currently

2:56:14 the policy

2:56:15 is it all

2:56:15 goes at the same

2:56:16 time

2:56:16 so the goal

2:56:17 is we’re going

2:56:18 to split it

2:56:19 and kind of

2:56:19 implement this

2:56:20 tonight

2:56:21 you’re going

2:56:21 to need a motion

2:56:22 specifically

2:56:22 laying that out

2:56:24 saying

2:56:25 is that at the

2:56:27 beginning or right

2:56:28 before the public

2:56:28 I believe you guys

2:56:29 adjourned the last

2:56:30 time

2:56:30 so you would want

2:56:31 to

2:56:31 you’d want to

2:56:33 say hey

2:56:33 we’re going to

2:56:34 the motion would be

2:56:35 something along the lines

2:56:36 of I move to

2:56:37 split public comment

2:56:38 between agenda

2:56:40 and non-agenda

2:56:41 providing three minutes

2:56:42 to each

2:56:42 with non-agenda

2:56:44 occurring

2:56:44 after the business

2:56:45 portion of the

2:56:46 meeting

2:56:46 off camera

2:56:47 sure

2:56:48 and then

2:56:49 right

2:56:50 and followed

2:56:50 by the adjournment

2:56:51 and if you’re

2:56:51 going to adjourn

2:56:52 off camera

2:56:52 you can put that

2:56:53 in there

2:56:53 as well

2:56:54 yeah

2:56:54 all right

2:56:55 so you’re good

2:56:56 then I’m good

2:56:56 yes

2:56:58 it looks like

2:56:59 it’s

2:57:00 we’ve got

2:57:01 approval

2:57:02 or

2:57:03 board direction

2:57:04 to give the public

2:57:05 100% more

2:57:07 speaking time

2:57:08 at our board meetings

2:57:09 so

2:57:09 it sounds

2:57:12 it is

2:57:13 it’s exactly that

2:57:14 and I’m happy

2:57:16 to have that

2:57:16 I too

2:57:17 then

2:57:17 agree with the

2:57:19 direction of

2:57:20 splitting the time

2:57:21 handling it away

2:57:22 and we’ll just adjourn

2:57:23 afterwards

2:57:24 off camera

2:57:24 so it looks like

2:57:25 we have clear direction

2:57:26 all right

2:57:27 and FCC regs

2:57:28 in or out

2:57:29 outside

2:57:30 out

2:57:31 all right

2:57:31 we’re moving right

2:57:42 we’re next one

2:57:43 okay

2:57:45 I need some

2:57:53 are we going to say

2:57:54 each individual policy

2:57:55 or are we going to say

2:57:56 are we introducing

2:57:58 each individual policy

2:57:59 Dr. Rendell

2:58:00 what do you have

2:58:00 I can

2:58:01 you got it

2:58:02 I can try and do it

2:58:03 yeah

2:58:03 you got it

2:58:03 421 is the next policy

2:58:04 it’s a slight change

2:58:05 to CTE

2:58:06 really

2:58:08 as a result

2:58:10 of NEOLA recommendations

2:58:11 and most of these

2:58:14 are all

2:58:14 NEOLA recommendations

2:58:16 so if

2:58:16 you just want to say

2:58:17 does anybody have any

2:58:18 comments about the rest

2:58:19 of them

2:58:19 we can take it that way

2:58:20 too

2:58:20 that’s kind of how I thought

2:58:22 so

2:58:22 do we want to do that

2:58:24 right now

2:58:25 do you have anything

2:58:27 you want to add

2:58:27 not for this one

2:58:29 it’s very minor change

2:58:30 just that the superintendent

2:58:31 would submit

2:58:32 for board approval

2:58:33 and legislative updates

2:58:34 yep

2:58:35 so I have no problems

2:58:41 does any board member

2:58:42 have any further

2:58:43 topics they want to discuss

2:58:45 on these

2:58:46 on any of them

2:58:48 you do

2:58:50 because I thought

2:58:53 they were just

2:58:53 an update

2:58:54 yeah

2:58:55 for the most part

2:58:56 staff’s just recommending

2:58:57 NEOLA changes

2:58:57 because NEOLA updated

2:58:58 I have a question

2:59:01 about the leave

2:59:01 leave of absence

2:59:04 one

2:59:04 so we’ll have

2:59:07 Mr. Dufresne

2:59:08 make his way up here

2:59:09 at some point

2:59:10 or no

2:59:10 3430

2:59:11 yeah which one

2:59:12 and it’s just

2:59:13 followed with information

2:59:14 it’s 3430

2:59:16 3430

2:59:17 yes

2:59:17 3430

2:59:18 I can’t remember

2:59:20 I mean I guess

2:59:21 this is our policy

2:59:21 with adjustments

2:59:22 but we have

2:59:23 there was

2:59:24 and maybe it’s because

2:59:25 it’s in the leave

2:59:27 what do they call that

2:59:29 we have a book

2:59:31 that has all the rules

2:59:33 the leave of absence

2:59:35 guidebook

2:59:35 oh the guidebook

2:59:36 it’s right here

2:59:36 I’m sorry

2:59:37 it’s right

2:59:37 but I’m not seeing

2:59:40 the two years

2:59:41 in here

2:59:44 because currently

2:59:45 we have

2:59:46 that’s the max amount

2:59:47 of time you can take leave

2:59:48 and even though

2:59:48 I think we have some

2:59:49 ways around it

2:59:50 like for example

2:59:52 the BFT officers

2:59:54 have taken longer

2:59:55 than two years

2:59:56 so I’m not really sure

2:59:57 how that works

2:59:57 but is there

2:59:58 is that

2:59:59 that is also

2:59:59 in the leave guidebook

3:00:00 so it’s not

3:00:01 necessarily in the policy

3:00:03 so a year

3:00:05 I’m sorry

3:00:06 I was

3:00:07 that’s okay

3:00:08 I didn’t mean to

3:00:09 that’s quite alright

3:00:09 pull you away

3:00:10 so we’re looking at 3430

3:00:11 one of the questions

3:00:12 Mrs. Campbell had

3:00:13 is the two year thing

3:00:15 that’s actually in contract

3:00:16 right

3:00:16 that’s not in policy

3:00:17 about the

3:00:19 there’s a maximum amount

3:00:20 of time you can take

3:00:21 of leave

3:00:22 it’s a one year leave

3:00:24 with an option for two

3:00:25 and that is in the

3:00:26 not policy

3:00:27 but the board

3:00:28 in the guidebook

3:00:29 the guidebook

3:00:30 yes

3:00:30 okay

3:00:30 okay so all that’s there

3:00:32 are these

3:00:35 are these highlights

3:00:36 these new materials

3:00:37 are this

3:00:38 is this all

3:00:38 the old updates

3:00:39 or some of these

3:00:39 came from

3:00:40 the old updates

3:00:40 okay

3:00:41 all right

3:00:42 okay good

3:00:43 that was it

3:00:43 that’s all

3:00:44 thank you

3:00:46 sorry to

3:00:47 thank you

3:00:49 just wanted to make

3:00:50 you come in here

3:00:51 I had a question on this

3:01:04 the next policy

3:01:06 which is 5121

3:01:07 our open enrollment

3:01:09 controlled open enrollment

3:01:11 policy

3:01:12 a couple things

3:01:14 so on the second page

3:01:16 of this policy

3:01:17 we cap them at 95%

3:01:20 with the microphone on

3:01:21 okay right

3:01:21 we cap them at 95%

3:01:23 for allowing them

3:01:24 to take transfers in

3:01:25 would the board

3:01:26 have any appetite

3:01:26 for increasing

3:01:27 that percentage

3:01:28 I know that that’s

3:01:28 kind of

3:01:29 ideally

3:01:31 I mean if a school

3:01:32 is at 98%

3:01:33 that means they still

3:01:34 have 2% more capacity

3:01:36 that they could take on

3:01:37 so if a student

3:01:37 were wanting to change

3:01:39 or transfer to that

3:01:40 school

3:01:40 and we see them hit

3:01:41 at 95%

3:01:43 and we could

3:01:43 potentially some schools

3:01:45 might throw a roadblock

3:01:45 up and say nope

3:01:46 we’re at 95%

3:01:47 we’re not doing it anymore

3:01:47 because we’ve hit capacity

3:01:49 so my thought was

3:01:50 will we entertain

3:01:52 the idea of increasing

3:01:53 the capacity

3:01:53 or is there any reason

3:01:55 maybe that I’m not

3:01:56 thinking of that

3:01:56 we wouldn’t want

3:01:57 to increase the capacity

3:01:58 from 95% to a number

3:01:59 that’s closer to 100%

3:02:00 so we could permit

3:02:02 flexibility for students

3:02:03 to be able to move

3:02:04 or transfer to schools

3:02:05 Dr. Engel

3:02:06 yeah basically

3:02:07 the 95% is so that

3:02:09 we don’t over enroll

3:02:10 like when you have

3:02:11 students then move in

3:02:13 to the zone school

3:02:15 so they’re guaranteed

3:02:17 a seat

3:02:17 in that school

3:02:18 at some point

3:02:20 you might

3:02:20 over

3:02:21 you might increase

3:02:23 over class size

3:02:25 there’s

3:02:26 you know

3:02:27 there’s

3:02:27 that 95% cap

3:02:29 is so that we don’t

3:02:30 end up over enrolled

3:02:32 the other thing

3:02:33 is that

3:02:33 if you

3:02:34 if you ELO

3:02:35 into a school

3:02:36 then unless

3:02:37 you violate

3:02:38 the conditions

3:02:39 of your ELO

3:02:40 with behavior

3:02:41 attendance

3:02:41 and things like that

3:02:42 you’re pretty much

3:02:43 guaranteed a renewal

3:02:44 every year

3:02:45 so let me just

3:02:45 give you a scenario

3:02:46 Westside Elementary

3:02:48 which we just talked

3:02:48 about the last meeting

3:02:49 is bursting at the seams

3:02:50 any family

3:02:51 that ELO’d

3:02:52 for their child

3:02:53 to be their starting

3:02:54 in kindergarten

3:02:54 they’re not zoned

3:02:55 for Westside

3:02:55 they’re zoned

3:02:56 for let’s say

3:02:56 Columbia

3:02:57 they zoned in

3:02:57 for Westside

3:02:58 we have to keep

3:02:59 them at Westside

3:03:00 even though now

3:03:00 Westside’s

3:03:01 over 100%

3:03:02 and so

3:03:03 they may not be

3:03:04 they weren’t at 100%

3:03:05 when the kid

3:03:06 and this

3:03:07 I say this because

3:03:07 this is actually

3:03:08 a real example

3:03:08 from last year

3:03:09 we have to keep

3:03:11 those kids

3:03:12 in that school

3:03:13 and potentially

3:03:14 because we have

3:03:14 sibling preference

3:03:15 then all of their

3:03:16 family

3:03:17 into a school

3:03:18 that is now

3:03:19 not just nearing

3:03:20 capacity

3:03:21 but now over capacity

3:03:22 so it’s not always

3:03:24 going to happen

3:03:25 but I want to say

3:03:26 there’s something

3:03:26 in the policy

3:03:27 that allows

3:03:27 the superintendent

3:03:27 some flexibility

3:03:28 it does

3:03:29 well

3:03:29 they can freeze

3:03:30 a school

3:03:31 so that’s

3:03:31 right

3:03:32 capacities defined

3:03:33 all right

3:03:34 so the overclass

3:03:37 size concern

3:03:38 is really

3:03:38 primarily for elementary

3:03:40 when you get

3:03:40 into the secondary

3:03:41 what you could be

3:03:42 doing is

3:03:43 creating a situation

3:03:44 where a zoned

3:03:45 student doesn’t

3:03:46 have access

3:03:46 to courses

3:03:48 because

3:03:49 the non-zoned

3:03:51 students have

3:03:52 filled all those

3:03:52 seats

3:03:53 certain electives

3:03:56 things like that

3:03:57 and so I think

3:03:58 it’s a way

3:03:59 of trying to save

3:04:00 those last few

3:04:00 seats for zoned

3:04:01 students if they

3:04:02 arrive after the year

3:04:03 starts

3:04:04 and again

3:04:05 my only thought

3:04:05 on this like I said

3:04:06 is that if I don’t

3:04:07 this could be

3:04:08 utilized as a tool

3:04:09 to stop someone

3:04:10 from being able

3:04:10 to transfer into a

3:04:11 school where there

3:04:12 is actual room

3:04:13 for capacity

3:04:14 because they might

3:04:15 one day have

3:04:16 a capacity issue

3:04:17 I mean to me

3:04:18 you know obviously

3:04:19 you want to utilize

3:04:19 100% capacity

3:04:20 of all of our schools

3:04:21 that would be ideal

3:04:22 and especially

3:04:24 if it were a student

3:04:25 that maybe was

3:04:26 coming from

3:04:27 you know

3:04:28 looking at

3:04:28 like a charter school

3:04:29 for instance

3:04:29 they were transferring

3:04:30 from charter

3:04:31 or home school

3:04:32 or private school

3:04:32 I would hate

3:04:34 that to be

3:04:35 a roadblock

3:04:36 I just wanted to add

3:04:38 that we do

3:04:39 consult before a school

3:04:40 so yes we look

3:04:41 at the 95

3:04:42 but we also

3:04:43 consult with

3:04:44 several members

3:04:45 of cabinet

3:04:45 before freezing

3:04:46 a school

3:04:47 to look at

3:04:48 things like

3:04:49 is this a school

3:04:50 that’s in an area

3:04:51 where we know

3:04:52 there are several

3:04:53 neighborhoods

3:04:53 that are

3:04:54 in process

3:04:56 where we’re going

3:04:56 to keep adding

3:04:57 students versus

3:04:58 a frozen school

3:04:59 that may be

3:05:00 in a more stable

3:05:01 community

3:05:02 like there’s not

3:05:02 new growth

3:05:03 they’re just full

3:05:04 and then

3:05:05 in that case

3:05:06 when we have

3:05:06 conversations

3:05:07 we have conversations

3:05:09 around

3:05:09 can we

3:05:10 are we putting

3:05:11 them on the frozen

3:05:12 list just on

3:05:13 their percentage

3:05:13 or

3:05:14 and that’s where

3:05:15 we’re trying

3:05:16 to be more cautious

3:05:17 with especially

3:05:17 in areas like

3:05:18 the south

3:05:19 or here in

3:05:19 Vieira

3:05:20 is you know

3:05:21 just looking at

3:05:22 potential growth

3:05:22 throughout the year

3:05:23 because like

3:05:24 west side for example

3:05:25 zone students

3:05:26 are coming every day

3:05:27 and but that

3:05:28 would be different

3:05:29 than a school

3:05:30 maybe in an area

3:05:31 where there’s not

3:05:31 a lot of new growth

3:05:33 but they’re sitting

3:05:34 at 95

3:05:34 we might not

3:05:35 necessarily freeze them

3:05:36 so just their

3:05:37 percentage alone

3:05:38 we’re not

3:05:39 automatically freezing

3:05:40 them

3:05:40 that is the number

3:05:42 that we target

3:05:43 that would

3:05:43 could freeze them

3:05:45 but we also look

3:05:46 at is there growth

3:05:47 or not in that

3:05:48 community

3:05:49 that could

3:05:50 potentially make

3:05:51 over class size

3:05:53 or courses

3:05:53 not available

3:05:54 to zone students

3:05:55 okay

3:05:55 and all of our

3:05:56 choice schools

3:05:57 are 100%

3:05:57 correct

3:05:58 like those ones

3:05:59 we are never

3:05:59 stopping those ones

3:06:00 at 95%

3:06:01 correct

3:06:01 we do hold

3:06:03 and Dr. Mary

3:06:04 you want to come up

3:06:04 we do have to hold

3:06:06 a percent

3:06:07 for military

3:06:08 and something

3:06:11 to consider

3:06:11 is while

3:06:12 we are not

3:06:13 really changing

3:06:13 the definition

3:06:14 of what the

3:06:14 military child

3:06:15 is under

3:06:16 purple star

3:06:17 district status

3:06:18 we hold

3:06:19 a percent

3:06:20 of seats

3:06:21 for not only

3:06:22 active

3:06:22 but also

3:06:23 military veterans

3:06:24 okay

3:06:25 all right

3:06:25 which is good

3:06:26 I support that

3:06:27 100%

3:06:27 one of the other

3:06:28 things I thought

3:06:28 about

3:06:29 again because

3:06:30 we are trying

3:06:31 we’re in a

3:06:31 competitive market

3:06:32 right for education

3:06:33 that we absolutely

3:06:34 are competing

3:06:34 with charters

3:06:35 with private

3:06:35 with home school

3:06:36 you know

3:06:37 the lottery system

3:06:38 that we have

3:06:39 for some of our

3:06:39 schools

3:06:40 would this be

3:06:42 and I’m just

3:06:43 throwing this out

3:06:43 there

3:06:43 this could be

3:06:44 a horrible idea

3:06:45 it could be

3:06:45 not a horrible idea

3:06:46 I don’t know

3:06:47 but what

3:06:48 you know

3:06:48 we have this tier

3:06:49 system for the lottery

3:06:50 but what if we

3:06:51 added a tier

3:06:51 for a student

3:06:52 who was coming

3:06:53 to us

3:06:53 from a

3:06:55 private school

3:06:56 home school

3:06:56 charter school

3:06:57 so it gives them

3:06:59 not necessarily

3:07:01 you know

3:07:02 if they’re going

3:07:02 to leave

3:07:03 that school

3:07:04 and come back

3:07:04 into our schools

3:07:05 which is what

3:07:05 we want

3:07:06 we want them

3:07:06 in our schools

3:07:07 right

3:07:07 we want them

3:07:07 to be educated

3:07:08 at BPS

3:07:09 would that be

3:07:10 something that

3:07:11 maybe would be

3:07:12 beneficial to the

3:07:13 board

3:07:13 to the district

3:07:14 as a whole

3:07:15 an old timey

3:07:17 phrase comes to

3:07:17 mind

3:07:18 dance with the

3:07:19 date that

3:07:20 brung you

3:07:20 I think I butchered

3:07:21 that but it’s

3:07:22 something along those lines

3:07:23 dance with the date

3:07:23 that brung you

3:07:24 I think we attract

3:07:28 people by having

3:07:29 excellent programs

3:07:30 that they can’t

3:07:30 get anywhere else

3:07:31 I hate the idea

3:07:32 of giving

3:07:32 an advantage

3:07:34 over just

3:07:35 people who have

3:07:36 been going

3:07:38 through the process

3:07:38 all along

3:07:39 because then

3:07:40 maybe that family

3:07:41 goes well fine

3:07:41 then

3:07:41 I don’t think

3:07:43 you’re solving

3:07:43 a problem

3:07:44 I think you might

3:07:44 be crazy

3:07:44 I know

3:07:45 well that’s kind

3:07:45 of what I was

3:07:46 thinking

3:07:46 I thought those

3:07:47 same things

3:07:47 through

3:07:47 but I was just

3:07:48 thinking also

3:07:48 hey if it was

3:07:49 a tool that

3:07:49 we could use

3:07:50 to attract

3:07:51 back maybe

3:07:52 maybe it’d be

3:07:53 beneficial

3:07:54 they could use

3:07:54 it as a tool

3:07:54 to leave

3:07:55 and then come back

3:07:56 yeah that’s true

3:07:56 too

3:07:57 so okay

3:07:57 never mind

3:07:57 scratch that one

3:07:58 horrible idea

3:07:59 that’s why

3:08:01 we’re here

3:08:01 okay

3:08:02 all right

3:08:03 I think that’s

3:08:04 all I have

3:08:04 sometimes you have to

3:08:04 say it out loud

3:08:05 before you

3:08:05 what’s that

3:08:07 sometimes you have to

3:08:07 say it out loud

3:08:08 sometimes you got to

3:08:09 talk it through

3:08:09 and just yeah

3:08:10 exactly

3:08:10 that’s all I have

3:08:11 on this policy

3:08:11 yes trust me

3:08:12 on that one

3:08:13 yeah

3:08:13 all right

3:08:18 glad we have

3:08:19 this conversation

3:08:19 anyone else

3:08:20 oh sorry

3:08:23 sorry

3:08:24 there was

3:08:25 I got stuck

3:08:26 on that one

3:08:26 I was scrolling

3:08:26 down to see

3:08:27 if there was one

3:08:27 okay

3:08:28 no I thought

3:08:29 we’d already

3:08:30 fixed the holiday

3:08:31 the holiday one

3:08:32 when we did

3:08:33 our whole

3:08:34 that we had

3:08:34 taken out

3:08:35 all those

3:08:35 we’ve done it

3:08:36 before but

3:08:37 it keeps changing

3:08:39 okay

3:08:39 oh okay

3:08:40 what do you mean

3:08:42 it keeps

3:08:42 Neola

3:08:43 and now Neola

3:08:45 is saying

3:08:46 keep the list

3:08:47 in the superintendent’s

3:08:47 office because

3:08:48 as it changes

3:08:48 we don’t have to

3:08:49 change the policy

3:08:50 every single time

3:08:51 okay

3:08:51 that’s why it was

3:08:52 originally

3:08:52 staff chose

3:08:54 to not have the list

3:08:55 because they didn’t

3:08:56 want to be

3:08:57 responsible for

3:08:58 going through

3:08:59 we decided

3:09:00 these are our

3:09:01 holidays

3:09:01 but not these

3:09:02 so yeah

3:09:03 we’re wanting

3:09:04 to remove the list

3:09:05 so that

3:09:06 if you have

3:09:07 a you know

3:09:08 held religion

3:09:09 and you have

3:09:10 a holiday

3:09:10 then

3:09:10 staff can decide

3:09:13 whether it’s

3:09:13 a legitimate

3:09:14 holiday

3:09:14 and or just

3:09:15 say hey

3:09:15 you’re saying

3:09:16 it’s a holiday

3:09:16 a religious holiday

3:09:17 we’re going

3:09:17 to let you out

3:09:18 right

3:09:19 and sorry

3:09:19 I know

3:09:20 we’re pushing

3:09:20 to the time

3:09:21 but there were

3:09:21 a couple things

3:09:22 corporal punishment

3:09:23 policy is on here

3:09:24 and I would like

3:09:24 to know why

3:09:24 because there’s

3:09:25 no edits

3:09:25 is it just

3:09:26 adding those

3:09:26 legal things

3:09:27 the statutes

3:09:27 the statute

3:09:28 yeah

3:09:28 statute change

3:09:29 okay

3:09:31 stirring it up

3:09:32 for no good

3:09:33 reason

3:09:33 oh I had an issue

3:09:36 with the next one

3:09:36 the 5771

3:09:38 I letter D

3:09:40 I am not

3:09:42 comfortable with this

3:09:42 I believe that

3:09:43 anytime that we are

3:09:44 searching

3:09:44 a student

3:09:46 that we need

3:09:47 to make sure

3:09:48 that it is

3:09:49 the person

3:09:50 conducting the search

3:09:50 is the gender

3:09:51 of the student

3:09:52 so I know

3:09:54 that that may not

3:09:54 always be the easiest

3:09:55 solution

3:09:56 but I really feel

3:09:57 adamant that

3:09:58 we need to not

3:09:59 say if available

3:10:00 I think it needs

3:10:01 to be

3:10:01 no we

3:10:01 we have to

3:10:02 have

3:10:03 here comes

3:10:03 Ms. Stamperer

3:10:04 okay Ms. Stamperer

3:10:05 is coming up

3:10:05 thank you

3:10:09 I’m thinking

3:10:10 about elementary

3:10:10 school

3:10:10 this was an issue

3:10:12 mainly at our

3:10:13 elementary school

3:10:14 so that’s why

3:10:14 we’re

3:10:15 if available

3:10:16 the first

3:10:17 when we put in

3:10:17 procedures

3:10:18 the procedures

3:10:19 would be

3:10:20 that the gender

3:10:21 of

3:10:22 that they identify

3:10:23 with

3:10:24 but

3:10:24 if it’s not

3:10:26 available

3:10:27 they were asking

3:10:28 and calling

3:10:29 what do we do

3:10:30 for elementary

3:10:31 school

3:10:31 so this gives

3:10:32 us a little

3:10:32 flexibility

3:10:33 that they’re

3:10:34 going to try

3:10:35 the first thing

3:10:36 would be for

3:10:36 them to have

3:10:38 the person

3:10:39 that was

3:10:39 their gender

3:10:41 but if not

3:10:42 available

3:10:42 you mentioned

3:10:43 gender

3:10:43 they identify

3:10:44 with or

3:10:44 their gender

3:10:44 sorry

3:10:46 because if you

3:10:48 have an

3:10:48 elementary school

3:10:49 that has

3:10:50 all female

3:10:51 administrators

3:10:52 which is

3:10:53 frequently

3:10:53 and all

3:10:55 female staff

3:10:56 except maybe

3:10:56 like I mean

3:10:57 then you’re

3:10:57 going to ask

3:10:58 a teacher

3:10:58 who wasn’t

3:10:58 trained in

3:10:59 any of those

3:10:59 things to do

3:11:00 a search

3:11:00 or what we

3:11:01 were doing

3:11:02 was pulling

3:11:02 someone from

3:11:03 another school

3:11:04 and it just

3:11:05 wasn’t conducive

3:11:06 to

3:11:06 they’re actually

3:11:07 having to wait

3:11:07 until a staff

3:11:08 member from

3:11:08 another school

3:11:09 came

3:11:09 and that’s

3:11:10 not timely

3:11:10 that’s not

3:11:11 ideal either

3:11:12 so

3:11:12 and let me

3:11:14 clarify

3:11:14 this may

3:11:15 it has to

3:11:16 be in the

3:11:16 presence

3:11:17 you have to

3:11:18 have two

3:11:19 staff members

3:11:19 when you’re

3:11:20 doing that

3:11:20 so there has

3:11:21 to be one

3:11:21 that is

3:11:22 so there’s

3:11:22 some protections

3:11:23 there

3:11:23 the protection

3:11:27 is that

3:11:27 there’s two

3:11:28 adults in the

3:11:28 room

3:11:28 they may not

3:11:29 be of the

3:11:30 gender of the

3:11:30 student

3:11:30 right

3:11:31 okay

3:11:31 and now

3:11:32 the other

3:11:33 thing

3:11:33 maybe you

3:11:33 have one

3:11:34 person on

3:11:34 campus who

3:11:34 can do it

3:11:35 but if

3:11:35 you have to

3:11:35 have two

3:11:36 and that

3:11:36 campus doesn’t

3:11:37 have two

3:11:37 males who

3:11:38 are trained

3:11:38 and qualified

3:11:39 to do that

3:11:40 keep in mind

3:11:43 that a few

3:11:43 years ago

3:11:44 we didn’t

3:11:44 have this

3:11:44 policy

3:11:45 this requirement

3:11:46 at all

3:11:46 it’s changed

3:11:47 last year

3:11:48 which I’m

3:11:49 glad for it

3:11:50 for obvious

3:11:51 reasons

3:11:51 but it was

3:11:53 just very

3:11:53 difficult

3:11:53 the final

3:11:55 policy

3:11:56 super excited

3:11:57 about

3:11:57 Ms. Harris

3:11:58 had a

3:11:59 conversation

3:12:00 about

3:12:01 PEP

3:12:01 we’re finally

3:12:02 getting

3:12:02 and if you

3:12:04 guys don’t

3:12:04 aren’t aware

3:12:05 Brevard

3:12:06 Virtual Now

3:12:07 is available

3:12:08 on the

3:12:08 marketplace

3:12:09 for families

3:12:09 who are

3:12:10 utilizing

3:12:10 the PEP

3:12:11 scholarship

3:12:11 and Ms. Harris

3:12:12 and her

3:12:12 department

3:12:13 and Dr. Meyer

3:12:13 are trying

3:12:15 to get us

3:12:16 on the road

3:12:17 to having

3:12:18 our schools

3:12:19 like

3:12:20 kids can use

3:12:21 their PEP

3:12:22 scholarship

3:12:22 to come

3:12:22 take a class

3:12:23 on campus

3:12:24 it’s just

3:12:25 a slow road

3:12:25 and that’s

3:12:26 not all

3:12:26 our fault

3:12:27 so the

3:12:27 policy

3:12:28 that we

3:12:29 have here

3:12:29 I know

3:12:30 you guys

3:12:30 have further

3:12:31 meetings

3:12:31 going on

3:12:32 so do you

3:12:32 feel like

3:12:33 this policy

3:12:33 as given

3:12:34 by Neola

3:12:35 meets

3:12:36 the needs

3:12:36 that you

3:12:37 anticipate

3:12:37 coming

3:12:38 without having

3:12:39 to do

3:12:39 any changes

3:12:39 after you

3:12:40 meet

3:12:40 this week

3:12:41 we actually

3:12:42 just met

3:12:43 yesterday

3:12:43 or today

3:12:44 I can’t remember

3:12:45 when we met

3:12:45 but it was either

3:12:46 yes

3:12:46 I think it was

3:12:46 yesterday

3:12:47 and some clarity

3:12:49 that I just

3:12:50 feel like

3:12:50 we are good

3:12:51 with this policy

3:12:52 but when you

3:12:53 get to PEP

3:12:54 student participation

3:12:55 in certain

3:12:56 district activities

3:12:57 based on our

3:12:58 pilot

3:12:58 with Brevard

3:12:59 Virtual

3:13:00 this cannot

3:13:02 lie

3:13:02 at the school

3:13:03 level

3:13:03 and so

3:13:04 I just

3:13:05 I want

3:13:06 clarity

3:13:07 around

3:13:07 we do not

3:13:08 have a

3:13:08 PEP staff

3:13:09 we are working

3:13:12 with finance

3:13:12 like this

3:13:13 will be something

3:13:14 that will get

3:13:15 very big

3:13:15 very quickly

3:13:16 but looking

3:13:17 at other

3:13:18 districts

3:13:18 and what

3:13:19 they’re trying

3:13:19 to roll

3:13:20 everybody’s

3:13:20 trying to

3:13:21 roll this

3:13:21 out

3:13:21 I just

3:13:22 want a

3:13:22 clarity

3:13:22 that

3:13:22 A through

3:13:24 F

3:13:24 will not

3:13:25 be

3:13:26 like August

3:13:27 we won’t

3:13:28 be able

3:13:28 to offer

3:13:28 all of

3:13:29 those

3:13:29 courses

3:13:29 and so

3:13:31 I just

3:13:31 want a

3:13:31 clarity

3:13:32 is

3:13:32 this

3:13:33 will

3:13:33 be

3:13:33 a

3:13:33 great

3:13:33 opportunity

3:13:34 for Brevard

3:13:35 and I

3:13:35 think it

3:13:36 will be

3:13:36 very

3:13:36 attractive

3:13:37 to

3:13:37 families

3:13:38 but in

3:13:39 looking at

3:13:40 we’re going

3:13:40 to have

3:13:41 to go

3:13:41 slow

3:13:41 to go

3:13:42 fast

3:13:42 on this

3:13:42 just

3:13:43 because

3:13:43 if we

3:13:44 do

3:13:44 this

3:13:44 and it

3:13:45 it’s

3:13:46 not

3:13:46 smooth

3:13:46 it will

3:13:48 be a

3:13:48 detractor

3:13:49 we want

3:13:50 this to

3:13:50 be an

3:13:50 attractor

3:13:51 and I

3:13:51 think

3:13:52 it’s

3:13:52 important

3:13:52 that we

3:13:52 do

3:13:53 it

3:13:53 strategic

3:13:53 and

3:13:54 looking

3:13:55 at

3:13:55 some

3:13:56 districts

3:13:56 are just

3:13:57 going

3:13:57 with

3:13:57 core

3:13:57 that’s

3:13:58 not

3:13:58 where

3:13:58 we’re

3:13:58 going

3:13:58 to

3:13:59 attract

3:13:59 people

3:14:00 aren’t

3:14:00 going

3:14:00 to

3:14:00 call

3:14:01 us

3:14:01 and

3:14:01 say

3:14:01 I

3:14:01 want

3:14:01 to

3:14:01 take

3:14:02 the

3:14:02 fourth

3:14:02 grade

3:14:02 math

3:14:02 class

3:14:03 what I

3:14:03 do

3:14:03 think

3:14:04 will

3:14:04 be

3:14:04 very

3:14:04 attractive

3:14:04 is

3:14:05 elementary

3:14:06 music

3:14:06 I think

3:14:07 some

3:14:07 of

3:14:08 those

3:14:08 pieces

3:14:09 and so

3:14:09 I

3:14:10 just

3:14:10 want

3:14:10 a

3:14:10 clarity

3:14:11 around

3:14:12 A

3:14:12 through

3:14:12 F

3:14:13 that

3:14:13 this

3:14:13 will

3:14:14 not

3:14:14 be

3:14:14 done

3:14:18 we’re

3:14:18 running

3:14:18 with it

3:14:18 yes

3:14:19 right

3:14:19 to

3:14:20 deliver

3:14:20 so

3:14:20 I

3:14:21 for

3:14:22 one

3:14:22 of

3:14:22 in favor

3:14:23 like

3:14:23 for

3:14:23 example

3:14:23 interscholastic

3:14:25 extracurricular

3:14:26 student

3:14:26 activities

3:14:26 if we

3:14:27 haven’t

3:14:27 figured

3:14:27 out

3:14:27 what

3:14:27 that

3:14:28 cost

3:14:28 is

3:14:28 going

3:14:28 to

3:14:28 be

3:14:28 because

3:14:29 the

3:14:29 state

3:14:29 is

3:14:29 not

3:14:29 giving

3:14:29 us

3:14:30 any

3:14:30 guidance

3:14:30 on

3:14:30 how

3:14:30 much

3:14:31 to

3:14:32 charge

3:14:32 for

3:14:32 any

3:14:32 of

3:14:32 this

3:14:33 if

3:14:33 we

3:14:33 haven’t

3:14:33 figured

3:14:33 out

3:14:34 we

3:14:34 don’t

3:14:34 roll

3:14:34 it

3:14:34 out

3:14:34 until

3:14:35 we

3:14:35 do

3:14:36 there

3:14:38 are

3:14:38 opportunities

3:14:39 for

3:14:39 them

3:14:39 to

3:14:39 do

3:14:39 enrollment

3:14:40 other

3:14:40 ways

3:14:40 with

3:14:41 the

3:14:41 scholarship

3:14:41 is

3:14:41 my

3:14:42 understanding

3:14:42 because

3:14:42 I

3:14:42 could

3:14:42 do

3:14:42 it

3:14:43 directly

3:14:43 with

3:14:43 the

3:14:43 college

3:14:43 I

3:14:43 thought

3:14:44 district

3:14:46 virtual

3:14:46 instruction

3:14:46 we

3:14:47 already

3:14:47 have

3:14:47 that

3:14:47 going

3:14:48 at

3:14:48 least

3:14:48 started

3:14:49 off

3:14:49 yeah

3:14:50 I mean

3:14:50 whatever

3:14:50 we

3:14:51 can

3:14:51 do

3:14:52 whatever

3:14:52 you

3:14:52 guys

3:14:52 determine

3:14:53 is

3:14:54 the

3:14:54 proper

3:14:56 because

3:14:56 there

3:14:56 are

3:14:56 some

3:14:56 courses

3:14:57 that

3:14:57 cost

3:14:57 us

3:14:57 more

3:14:57 money

3:14:58 you

3:14:58 know

3:14:58 if

3:14:58 a

3:14:59 kid

3:14:59 is

3:14:59 in

3:14:59 art

3:15:00 or

3:15:00 even

3:15:01 their

3:15:06 per

3:15:06 student

3:15:07 for

3:15:08 art

3:15:08 supplies

3:15:08 or

3:15:08 whatever

3:15:09 well

3:15:09 that

3:15:09 needs

3:15:10 to

3:15:10 come

3:15:10 from

3:15:10 the

3:15:11 scholarship

3:15:11 so

3:15:11 maybe

3:15:12 it

3:15:12 costs

3:15:12 a

3:15:12 little

3:15:12 bit

3:15:12 more

3:15:12 than

3:15:13 taking

3:15:13 a

3:15:14 regular

3:15:14 class

3:15:15 for

3:15:15 them

3:15:15 to

3:15:15 take

3:15:15 anything

3:15:16 that

3:15:16 has

3:15:16 an

3:15:16 extra

3:15:16 fee

3:15:17 or

3:15:17 whatever

3:15:17 so

3:15:17 whatever

3:15:18 you

3:15:18 guys

3:15:18 I

3:15:19 want

3:15:19 to

3:15:19 I’m

3:15:19 ready

3:15:19 for

3:15:20 us

3:15:20 to

3:15:20 go

3:15:20 I know

3:15:21 it’s

3:15:21 not

3:15:22 your

3:15:22 fault

3:15:22 that

3:15:22 we’re

3:15:22 not

3:15:22 going

3:15:23 yet

3:15:23 but

3:15:23 I’m

3:15:24 fine

3:15:24 with

3:15:25 let’s

3:15:25 put

3:15:25 it

3:15:25 in

3:15:25 here

3:15:26 but

3:15:26 only

3:15:27 roll

3:15:27 out

3:15:27 what

3:15:27 we’re

3:15:27 ready

3:15:27 to

3:15:28 do

3:15:28 we

3:15:28 now

3:15:29 have

3:15:29 our

3:15:30 committee

3:15:30 is

3:15:30 meeting

3:15:30 weekly

3:15:31 at

3:15:31 this

3:15:31 point

3:15:32 so

3:15:32 this

3:15:32 will

3:15:33 we

3:15:33 do

3:15:34 100%

3:15:34 plan

3:15:35 to

3:15:35 roll

3:15:35 it

3:15:35 out

3:15:36 but

3:15:37 with

3:15:37 some

3:15:37 parameters

3:15:38 just

3:15:38 from

3:15:38 learning

3:15:38 again

3:15:39 with

3:15:39 our

3:15:39 BVS

3:15:40 pilot

3:15:40 is

3:15:40 families

3:15:41 can be

3:15:42 awarded

3:15:42 the

3:15:42 scholarship

3:15:43 but

3:15:43 they

3:15:43 have

3:15:43 not

3:15:43 been

3:15:43 funded

3:15:44 and

3:15:45 what

3:15:46 happens

3:15:46 is

3:15:46 if

3:15:47 we

3:15:47 take

3:15:47 those

3:15:47 students

3:15:48 and

3:15:48 then

3:15:48 when

3:15:50 the

3:15:50 funding

3:15:50 comes

3:15:50 in

3:15:51 they

3:15:51 don’t

3:15:51 pay

3:15:51 the

3:15:52 bill

3:15:52 we

3:15:52 have

3:15:52 no

3:15:52 recourse

3:15:53 to

3:15:53 that

3:15:53 so

3:15:53 we’re

3:15:54 looking

3:15:54 at

3:15:54 just

3:15:54 other

3:15:55 districts

3:15:55 we’re

3:15:56 all

3:15:56 creating

3:15:56 contracts

3:15:57 at

3:15:57 this

3:15:57 time

3:15:58 of

3:15:58 what

3:15:58 the

3:15:58 agreements

3:15:59 will

3:15:59 be

3:15:59 and

3:15:59 things

3:15:59 around

3:16:00 funding

3:16:00 because

3:16:01 we

3:16:01 definitely

3:16:02 don’t

3:16:02 want

3:16:03 to

3:16:03 have

3:16:03 students

3:16:04 come

3:16:04 in

3:16:04 if

3:16:05 they

3:16:05 haven’t

3:16:06 been

3:16:06 funded

3:16:06 then

3:16:08 they’re

3:16:09 getting

3:16:09 the FTE

3:16:09 we’re

3:16:10 not

3:16:10 and

3:16:11 we’re

3:16:11 providing

3:16:11 the

3:16:11 service

3:16:12 so

3:16:12 just

3:16:12 looking

3:16:12 at

3:16:13 a

3:16:13 lot

3:16:13 of

3:16:13 those

3:16:13 kind

3:16:14 of

3:16:14 stickier

3:16:15 it

3:16:15 seems

3:16:16 like

3:16:16 they

3:16:16 should

3:16:16 almost

3:16:16 pay

3:16:17 for

3:16:17 the

3:16:17 course

3:16:17 upon

3:16:18 enrollment

3:16:18 not

3:16:19 completion

3:16:19 right

3:16:19 that’s

3:16:20 what

3:16:20 we’re

3:16:20 wanting

3:16:21 to

3:16:21 do

3:16:21 we

3:16:21 want

3:16:22 to

3:16:22 do

3:16:22 that

3:16:22 because

3:16:23 different

3:16:23 than

3:16:24 the

3:16:24 BVS

3:16:24 setting

3:16:24 if

3:16:25 they

3:16:25 drop

3:16:25 out

3:16:25 of

3:16:26 a

3:16:26 course

3:16:26 or

3:16:26 stop

3:16:26 showing

3:16:27 up

3:16:27 no

3:16:28 harm

3:16:28 no

3:16:28 foul

3:16:28 it’s

3:16:29 they

3:16:30 can

3:16:30 take

3:16:30 larger

3:16:31 numbers

3:16:31 whereas

3:16:32 for

3:16:32 us

3:16:33 they

3:16:33 could

3:16:33 be

3:16:33 potentially

3:16:34 in

3:16:34 a CTE

3:16:34 course

3:16:35 taking

3:16:35 a student

3:16:43 is

3:16:43 under

3:16:44 contracting

3:16:44 the

3:16:45 course

3:16:45 participation

3:16:46 that’s

3:16:47 just

3:16:47 when we

3:16:48 get

3:16:48 into

3:16:48 this

3:16:48 fee

3:16:49 payment

3:16:49 this

3:16:50 is

3:16:50 written

3:16:50 vague

3:16:51 enough

3:16:51 but

3:16:51 once

3:16:52 we

3:16:52 move

3:16:52 forward

3:16:53 we

3:16:53 will

3:16:53 bring

3:16:54 what

3:16:54 our

3:16:54 contract

3:16:55 will

3:16:55 look

3:16:55 like

3:16:55 and

3:16:56 some

3:16:56 pricing

3:16:56 at

3:16:58 both

3:16:58 the

3:16:58 elementary

3:16:58 level

3:16:59 and

3:16:59 the

3:16:59 secondary

3:16:59 level

3:17:00 but

3:17:02 when

3:17:02 we

3:17:02 speak

3:17:03 of

3:17:03 like

3:17:03 these

3:17:03 acceleration

3:17:04 courses

3:17:04 if

3:17:05 we

3:17:05 want

3:17:06 to

3:17:06 go

3:17:06 into

3:17:06 offering

3:17:07 seats

3:17:07 potentially

3:17:08 in

3:17:08 IB

3:17:08 or

3:17:09 A’s

3:17:09 we

3:17:10 will

3:17:10 also

3:17:11 be

3:17:11 calculating

3:17:12 into

3:17:12 that

3:17:12 price

3:17:13 the

3:17:13 amount

3:17:14 the

3:17:15 bonus

3:17:15 FTE

3:17:15 that

3:17:16 we

3:17:16 don’t

3:17:16 get

3:17:16 for

3:17:17 a

3:17:17 teacher

3:17:17 saying

3:17:18 student

3:17:19 you’re

3:17:19 going to

3:17:19 have to

3:17:19 pay

3:17:19 for

3:17:20 the

3:17:20 assessment

3:17:20 and

3:17:21 then

3:17:22 also

3:17:22 we’re

3:17:22 going

3:17:23 to

3:17:23 have

3:17:23 to

3:17:23 charge

3:17:23 for

3:17:24 the

3:17:24 bonus

3:17:24 the

3:17:25 teacher

3:17:25 could

3:17:25 earn

3:17:26 should

3:17:26 they

3:17:26 pass

3:17:26 that

3:17:26 test

3:17:27 and

3:17:28 those

3:17:30 are

3:17:30 so

3:17:31 when

3:17:31 I

3:17:31 met

3:17:32 with

3:17:32 when

3:17:33 I

3:17:33 had

3:17:33 my

3:17:33 homeschool

3:17:33 meetings

3:17:34 back

3:17:34 in

3:17:34 October

3:17:34 this

3:17:35 was

3:17:35 a

3:17:36 lot

3:17:36 of

3:17:36 the

3:17:36 conversation

3:17:36 this

3:17:37 was

3:17:42 just

3:17:42 like

3:17:42 if

3:17:43 we

3:17:43 don’t

3:17:44 pay

3:17:44 because

3:17:44 I

3:17:44 mentioned

3:17:45 that

3:17:45 same

3:17:45 thing

3:17:45 if

3:17:45 they

3:17:46 said

3:17:46 they

3:17:46 don’t

3:17:46 pay

3:17:46 they’re

3:17:48 not

3:17:48 going

3:17:48 to

3:17:48 not

3:17:48 try

3:17:49 to

3:17:49 come

3:17:49 back

3:17:49 to

3:17:49 the

3:17:50 school

3:17:50 district

3:17:50 they

3:17:50 will

3:17:51 pay

3:17:51 eventually

3:17:51 so

3:17:52 maybe

3:17:52 they

3:17:52 just

3:17:52 get

3:17:52 put

3:17:52 on

3:17:52 a

3:17:53 list

3:17:53 that

3:17:53 says

3:17:53 they

3:17:53 didn’t

3:17:54 pay

3:17:54 until

3:17:54 they

3:17:54 do

3:17:54 they

3:17:54 can’t

3:17:55 come

3:17:55 back

3:17:55 and

3:17:55 register

3:17:56 for

3:17:56 classes

3:17:56 they can’t

3:17:56 take

3:17:56 the

3:17:57 test

3:17:57 because

3:17:58 well

3:17:58 right

3:17:59 but the

3:17:59 thing

3:17:59 is

3:17:59 that

3:18:00 there’s

3:18:00 an

3:18:00 opportunity

3:18:00 there

3:18:01 overall

3:18:01 so

3:18:02 if

3:18:02 that

3:18:02 happens

3:18:03 you

3:18:03 can

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