Updates on the Fight for Quality Public Education in Brevard County, FL
0:00 Let’s get started!
0:06 Thank you.
7:42 Good morning.
7:43 The September 26th work session is now in order.
7:46 Paul, roll call please.
7:47 Mr. Seasen, Mr. Seasen.
8:17 Good morning, good morning, board members and staff, I wanted to
8:19 take a second and kind of go through the process.
8:21 If you guys have here, Ms. Han has put together an 8,000 policy
8:25 review paper on there. It has each one of the policies that we
8:27 have. It also has, if there’s a Neola update on that policy,
8:31 also has who it is that we’re supposed to direct any questions
8:34 to. And then any comments next to it. Thank you, Ms. Han, who is
8:38 taking over for Dr. Rendell because he is at an event this
8:42 morning.
8:43 Yeah, just temporarily, just temporarily, just temporarily, just
9:03 temporarily, just temporarily.
9:13 Thank you.
9:43 We all have it because, and just so the public understands, we
9:46 have not only our policies that we had to review. We have the Neola
9:50 policies that may or may not have been updated through the years
9:53 over the last 10, 20 years.
9:55 Then we have the Neola policies that were updated since July.
10:00 And then we have our other policies that we sometimes interject
10:06 with that may not be in Neola. So there’s a four-prong process.
10:09 And this is amazing because it’s going to go as smooth as it has
10:10 the last time. So I appreciate your time.
10:11 So I’m going to go to the first one. So what I’ve done is, is I’ve
10:19 taken my policy review booklet that we had printed out for us. I’m
10:26 going to go through that as the core. Then I’m going to move
10:26 through the rest of them. So the first one that we have, I’m
10:27 seeing something that says 7550 joint use of facilities. But
10:31 what I’m seeing on mine is 8141. You want to speak to?
10:33 So yes, I do want to speak to both of those. So 7550, if you
10:39 recall from the 7,000 policy review, 7550 is a BPS policy only.
10:44 Neola does not have that policy. The Neola policy that is
10:47 aligned with that is policy 8100.
10:50 And so I just put 7550 on there to remind everybody that I
10:54 believe we’re going to recommend most likely that we delete 7550
10:58 and adopt 8100.
11:00 But I want to have an opportunity to review the language, make
11:03 sure that it does, in fact, meet all of our requirements.
11:06 So that’s what that’s what that one’s about. So if you could
11:09 refer that one to staff, we will take care of that.
11:12 And if you guys remember, I think it was even in our last board
11:14 meeting, we have interlocal agreements with many of our local
11:17 cities and counties where we’re getting ready to move forward
11:19 with the city’s agendas with each one of the cities, which is
11:22 amazing.
11:23 So thank you for that.
11:23 We have several coming up.
11:25 Does anybody else have any questions on 7550, which just became
11:28 8100?
11:29 So the first one is 8100.
11:30 And we’re on that one.
11:32 Anybody have anything to say?
11:33 No?
11:34 Okay.
11:35 Next one up is 8141, mandatory reporting of misconduct by
11:38 employees.
11:39 The chief of schools was supposed to be there, but he has been
11:42 called to a school today.
11:43 Since he’s the chief of them, he’s being called to them.
11:45 Ms. Hand, did you wish to discuss that?
11:47 I just want to comment on this, that we’ll be working with HR on
11:50 this policy.
11:51 Mr. Ramer will be taking the lead and working with Mr. Dufresne
11:55 and we’ll bring this back to you with our review unless you have
11:58 comments that you’d like us to consider.
12:00 Thank you for that.
12:01 Does any board member wish to speak to any of the points in the
12:04 mandatory reporting of misconduct by employees?
12:06 My microphone is so far away because I have so much stuff.
12:11 I’m about to karaoke.
12:12 Here we go.
12:13 Hold on.
12:14 There you go.
12:15 Give me a second.
12:16 No, I’m not.
12:17 It’s not coming out of there willingly.
12:18 Okay.
12:19 Just want to say really fast, as far as the clarification goes,
12:20 I was asking this question just recently, to make sure our staff
12:24 is trained adequately because we see the reports.
12:26 I’m sure all of you are seeing them over DCF calls that are made
12:29 that sometimes don’t warrant a phone call.
12:31 So just making sure that, hey, if a kid cusses at you, that
12:34 probably doesn’t warrant a DCF phone call, depending on what
12:37 they’re saying.
12:38 So I just think we want to make sure we have clear procedures
12:41 there.
12:41 That is happening from time to time from school.
12:43 Let me speak to that.
12:44 Okay.
12:45 Thank you.
12:46 Do you want to speak to that, Ryan, or no?
12:47 I do a little bit.
12:48 Okay.
12:49 I hear what you’re saying with something of, you know, cussing
12:52 out a teacher doesn’t require, or doesn’t warrant a phone call.
12:56 I’ve been in school districts where teachers have lost their
12:59 jobs because they didn’t report something to DCF.
13:02 Right.
13:03 So I would rather our employees be, err on the side of caution
13:09 and also know that they are all mandatory reporters.
13:13 Right.
13:14 And so I’d rather them err on the side of caution and call and
13:17 the DCF say, no, we’re not going to do it.
13:18 But that covered our employees to not have to worry about unreporting
13:25 things.
13:26 We actually even took steps and put numbers on the back of all
13:28 the ID cards this year.
13:29 Because I don’t want to see another employee fired because they
13:32 didn’t report.
13:33 And make no mistake when I say that, that is not my intention at
13:36 all is to say, hey, tell our staff not to report.
13:38 My concern is that we are inundating DCF with phone calls that
13:41 maybe aren’t really reportable offenses.
13:43 Sure.
13:44 So just clearly defining to the staff, hey, this is a reportable
13:47 offense.
13:47 This is not a reportable offense.
13:48 When in doubt, call.
13:49 Right.
13:50 Always err on the side of caution.
13:51 I agree 100%.
13:52 So, and especially when it comes to just making sure that our
13:54 children are safe and getting the protection they need.
13:56 So, I’m not trying to put our staff in a jeopardizing position.
13:58 I just didn’t want DCF to be inundated with a bunch of phone
14:01 calls over cursing children that maybe don’t warrant a phone
14:04 call.
14:04 If that makes sense.
14:05 I understand.
14:06 That’s the only thing.
14:07 I understand.
14:08 Yeah, thank you.
14:09 Any other school board member wish to discuss this item?
14:11 In regards to mine, one of the things that Mr. Dufresne that I
14:14 always wrestle with this policy is, is almost like a good Samaritan.
14:17 Because there’s a lot of other things that we want to report.
14:20 Whether that’s, so there’s a lot of things that staff sees that
14:23 later we find out that they knew that we did not report.
14:26 Correct.
14:27 There’s good Samaritan laws across the United States.
14:30 There’s some strong ones, some weak ones, stuff like that.
14:32 Have you thought in that regard in here?
14:34 Is that something we as a school district should stay away from
14:37 because of the man?
14:38 The mandatory report, it really kind of, and Paul might be able
14:42 to kind of help me on this, but I think that’s going to override
14:45 any of that.
14:45 Like if you’re a mandatory reporter and you don’t report.
14:47 But it’s only the mandatory reporting according to the state
14:50 statute is to deal with the health and safety of the students.
14:53 Correct.
14:54 There’s also the health and safety of employees.
14:56 There’s the health and safety of the overall, like they may hear
14:59 something of destruction to a building.
15:01 There’s knowing out there that sometimes the students and the
15:04 staff know that they have to report something when they see it.
15:07 Because that narrow scope of, which is a very strong scope and a
15:11 strong reason of student safety is one thing.
15:14 But then there’s a whole lot more that we do that staff and
15:17 students should be reporting.
15:19 Has there ever been a thought process around that?
15:23 Okay.
15:24 I can’t speak historically because I’ve only been here since
15:28 June.
15:29 So your knowledge from Seminole County and stuff like that.
15:32 Board, if it’s okay with you guys, what I’d like to do is meet
15:35 with Mr. Dufresne, kind of talk to him about this and maybe it
15:39 come back up as discussion when we come back out.
15:40 Absolutely.
15:41 Because there’s a lot of stuff that happens inside of our
15:43 schools that once our staff starts investigating, they’re like,
15:45 well, Johnny knew about it.
15:46 And it’s like, or the teacher knew about it.
15:48 And it’s like, well, why didn’t you come forward with that?
15:50 And I think that those are some of the things that we may need
15:53 to address and put some teeth behind making them feel like they
15:56 have to report things because our investigations sometimes take
16:00 too long or something like that because of those kind of things.
16:02 Correct.
16:03 I just wanted to say it’s okay with everybody.
16:05 If I don’t hear any negatives towards that, I’ll move forward
16:07 with it.
16:07 All right.
16:08 Anybody else on 81-41?
16:11 All right.
16:12 Next one is 82-10, school calendar.
16:15 Do you want to direct to it or do you want me just to go to
16:18 whoever’s on here?
16:19 Human resources.
16:20 I have nothing to add.
16:21 The policy is fine as it is.
16:23 Okay.
16:24 Anybody, any board member wish to speak to 82-10, which is the
16:26 school calendar?
16:27 Yeah.
16:28 I just had a question.
16:29 I know that our policy, we have these six holidays listed
16:33 because these are the ones that are incorporated into the
16:36 contracts.
16:36 Correct.
16:37 So they are paid holidays.
16:38 Correct.
16:39 But there’s, we do not make, unless it’s an emergency situation,
16:44 they’re on call.
16:45 We don’t make people work on Independence Day or Memorial Day or
16:49 some of those others that are listed.
16:51 Is there, would it be appropriate to add those listed separately
16:55 that they’re like not paid but they are still holidays?
16:58 I’m not sure how that works because even outside, you know, we
17:00 think teacher contract, right?
17:01 Correct.
17:02 But we have so many employees that work year-round.
17:03 Correct.
17:04 And we’re not making them work on July 4th.
17:05 It may not be a paid holiday but how, I’m just curious why we
17:09 didn’t include those in there.
17:11 And then I went back and I’m like, okay, but this is the school
17:15 year.
17:16 But Memorial Day sometimes falls within the school year.
17:20 And it’s still a holiday.
17:21 We’re never going to plan a school day on that.
17:23 But it’s not a paid holiday.
17:24 And I’m not suggesting we make it a paid holiday.
17:27 But if we’re talking about how we do the calendar, should we
17:30 have it in policy, we’re not going
17:32 to have school on Memorial Day.
17:37 Seems that we should look at that.
17:39 Okay.
17:40 That’s my only question is, I mean, we’ve got, the calendar is
17:43 so dadgum complicated when we
17:45 have to incorporate all these rules and hours and things like
17:49 that.
17:49 But that was, that was the other thing.
17:51 You know, not suggesting we make it a paid holiday.
17:54 But if we’re, if we’re already, always operate our calendar that
17:58 way.
17:58 And like I said, Memorial Day does fall within the school year
18:01 sometimes.
18:01 Let’s, let’s make sure it’s clear in there.
18:04 Since we don’t have that incorporated.
18:07 I think the only other ones that are, Neola has that we don’t
18:11 have are ones that specifically
18:13 fall outside of the school day, like a school year, like
18:17 Independence Day and Christmas.
18:20 You know, yeah.
18:21 What I would ask is, is that if that has to go to bargaining and
18:26 all of those other components
18:27 because of the ramifications of it, if you can check that.
18:30 And then before moving forward with it, bring it back to us just
18:33 for conversation.
18:34 Because I have a feeling that there’s a reason behind us not
18:36 adding them before.
18:37 But Ms. Campbell makes a very good point and that maybe that’s
18:40 something we need to add.
18:41 So real good then?
18:42 Yeah.
18:43 And I want to ask a question.
18:44 Sorry.
18:45 I’m going to be the person.
18:47 This will be my first year obviously being on the board when the
18:49 school calendar is being
18:50 developed.
18:51 So I want to walk through that process a little bit.
18:53 And just so that I am familiar with it as well as the public is
18:55 familiar with it.
18:56 Because we are asked quite frequently, hey, who makes up the
18:59 calendar?
19:00 Why do we have to go to, you know, why are hurricane makeup days?
19:03 And, and I think just to clear up the perception all the way
19:06 around, can you share with us how
19:07 that works?
19:08 I cannot.
19:09 But I’m hoping that Mr. Bufrain can.
19:10 Uh oh, that’s a Mike Alba question.
19:11 Yeah, this is a Mike Alba question.
19:13 And I can get him in here in about 30 seconds.
19:16 If you wanted to circle back to this.
19:18 Okay.
19:19 I know that we do take in into consideration employee and parent
19:25 feedback.
19:26 We’re actually building that right now.
19:28 Every year.
19:29 Yeah.
19:30 It’s going to go out, I believe next week.
19:31 And then of course there’s minutes built into each semester that
19:34 we have to meet.
19:35 So that’s, and Mr. Raymer also has a calendar that we make sure
19:39 we’re meeting those minutes
19:40 on each semester.
19:41 And then of course over the year timeframe, but to get a
19:45 detailed explanation, I can grab Mr.
19:48 Alba.
19:49 Okay.
19:50 And you said something very, very good that I, that I’m kind of
19:52 leaning towards.
19:53 So you indicated minutes and a lot of our calendars based on
19:57 days.
19:57 And so I don’t know if that’s something that needs to be
19:59 incorporated into the policy to reflect
20:01 the amount of minutes that are statutorily required for our
20:04 students to be in class.
20:05 Um, that might help with the development process to some degree,
20:08 if that makes any sense.
20:09 Sure.
20:10 So that they’re kind of aligned.
20:11 Yeah.
20:12 And like I said, Mr. Raymer does, he, he built a tool just for
20:14 that.
20:14 Uh, make sure we’re meeting our mandatory minutes.
20:16 Minutes.
20:17 Yes.
20:18 There is one.
20:19 Sorry.
20:20 There is one of our policies that had the minutes specifically.
20:22 Okay.
20:23 I think we’re coming up on it.
20:24 Oh, it’s in the next one.
20:25 The next one.
20:26 Yeah.
20:27 The next one has 720 hours and all that.
20:29 So Mr. Cheatham has been on the committee.
20:30 So he could probably speak to it a little bit more eloquently.
20:34 Yeah.
20:35 Mr. Alba, he has a, he puts together a pretty robust committee
20:38 of teachers, members of the
20:39 union.
20:40 It’s a relatively large committee, but they all come together
20:42 every year and look at the whole
20:44 calendar and build it out.
20:45 And then that comes back to cabinet for review before it comes
20:48 to you guys.
20:49 But it’s, it’s a pretty, pretty large committee that comes
20:52 together and kind of builds that
20:53 calendar every single year.
20:54 I think, I think there’s two things to that, that Ms. Wright, if
20:57 I may.
20:57 They put all that together and then they come to us prior to it
21:00 coming to a board workshop
21:01 or a board meeting.
21:02 So we give our input at that time, then it comes to us.
21:05 But I think what Ms. Wright’s getting at is, is that there’s
21:07 also another part of it is you
21:09 have the scheduled minutes that we have.
21:11 And then most recently due to the hurricane makeup, we have a
21:14 situation where we might be
21:15 able to shift some of those minutes.
21:16 Meaning that we can come in five or 10 minutes earlier on a day
21:20 to make up the rest of the
21:21 thing.
21:22 And there’s been some discussion wrapped around that, both with
21:24 negotiations and stuff like
21:25 that.
21:26 So what she, I think, what I may add to that is, is do we have
21:29 to put any of that into the
21:31 policy or do you feel pretty open about having those adjustments
21:34 made behind the scenes that
21:36 you can do that without the policy?
21:37 Is that, are you handcuffed by the policy?
21:39 I don’t think I’m handcuffed by the policy.
21:42 We have a process in place.
21:46 I think it works fairly well.
21:47 Okay.
21:48 So if we have to make adjustments after a hurricane to add or
21:51 subtract minutes or add days or whatever,
21:53 you feel confident in that process that it’s addressed here in
21:55 the policy that we can do?
21:56 Roger that.
21:57 So like I said, moving forward, I would like to change some of
22:01 the makeup days that we have
22:02 on the calendar because there’s not an appetite for some of the
22:06 dates.
22:07 And so why put them in there if we’re not going to use them?
22:10 So let’s, let’s, let’s identify some dates that everyone agrees
22:13 to prior to even the school year
22:14 starting.
22:15 Yeah.
22:16 Okay.
22:17 Thank you so much.
22:18 Appreciate that.
22:19 Ms. Ray.
22:20 I also just want to jump in there too.
22:21 Cause I don’t, I don’t think, I think you were saying you haven’t
22:24 been here to see,
22:25 have you seen anything from my Galway yet when it comes to us?
22:27 Okay.
22:28 So it’s really visual.
22:30 And so it’d be, even if he was able to step in here and have a
22:33 conversation,
22:33 the public’s not going to understand it without those visuals.
22:35 He has created like the best calendar chart for you to
22:38 understand how the days move and how it affects it.
22:40 I don’t think it’s the worst idea for the public to see it, but
22:42 it definitely,
22:43 you definitely need that visual piece cause it’s way too
22:45 complicated.
22:46 But when he sits down with you, it’s like easy peasy.
22:49 Yep.
22:50 All right.
22:51 Sounds good.
22:52 That was on 82.10.
22:53 All right.
22:54 Moving forward.
22:55 Yeah.
22:56 That’s what I was expecting.
22:57 Next policy is 82.20 school day.
22:59 Anybody wish to say anything about 82.20?
23:02 No?
23:03 All right.
23:04 Yeah.
23:05 No, I actually, ours look, even though ours says 2014 when I was
23:08 looking at it,
23:08 because it includes the minutes and not the days.
23:10 I feel like ours is more update to date or more accurate to the
23:14 way that it gets counted.
23:17 Well, and sorry.
23:18 No, that’s okay.
23:19 Go ahead.
23:20 Even this isn’t reflected, it reflects hours, not minutes.
23:23 And so again, I think just to keep it in line with what the
23:26 statute says, that it would
23:27 probably be useful to have it all uniform all the way across the
23:30 board.
23:30 An hour is significantly different than a minute, especially
23:33 when we’re looking at early release
23:34 days, losing minutes versus losing hours makes a difference.
23:38 So with that, anybody else have any other questions?
23:41 It seems that there was no comments or anything from staff.
23:43 I think we’ve given direction on that.
23:45 Move forward to 8,300, continuity of organizational structures
23:51 plan.
23:51 Ms. Paul, Ms. Han?
23:53 Yes, sir.
23:54 This one is a NEOLA policy.
23:56 We do not have this policy in Brevard.
23:58 Oh, okay.
23:59 So Mr. Wilson, did you have any observations about this?
24:03 No, I don’t, other than the fact that we have a handout, a
24:07 continuity handout that has been
24:09 updated, last updated in 2020, March 2020.
24:13 But we do not, as Ms. Han mentioned, have a policy, but we do
24:18 have a handout.
24:19 But if you guys want to take a look at it, you’re more than
24:21 welcome to do so.
24:22 Do you guys, do you feel like you need more than the handout as
24:25 an administrative procedure?
24:26 According to past practices, no, I don’t.
24:28 Okay.
24:29 This kind of takes care of it.
24:30 I think staff’s recommendation is that we pass on this policy
24:33 because we already have it
24:34 in place.
24:35 Okay.
24:36 Is there anybody that wishes to speak for or against that or
24:37 have a comment on it?
24:38 I’m okay with that.
24:39 Anybody else okay?
24:40 No, I just, as I was reading through this, I was like, I know we
24:44 have the co-op because
24:45 I’ve seen it and I was on the board that approved it.
24:48 I’m like, that’s when you said that.
24:49 I’m like, okay.
24:50 Yep.
24:51 So my question is, and we approved it or we just received it?
24:54 I’m trying to think because this policy says it’ll be approved.
24:56 It was approved.
24:58 So we’re doing it.
24:59 To me, the only purpose for putting this policy was to put in
25:03 there that we’d want it to be
25:05 approved or we’d want it to be reviewed every hour often.
25:08 It probably needs to be updated at some point.
25:09 It does.
25:10 Because of the changes.
25:11 We have the new schools and things like that since 2020.
25:13 Yep.
25:14 But I don’t know that we need the policy.
25:17 I’m okay with it moving forward without a policy.
25:20 Anybody else okay with that?
25:21 Just as long as it comes before us as an administrative
25:23 procedure and we do that.
25:24 That’s great.
25:25 All right.
25:26 Next one up is 8305 information security.
25:28 I’m assuming that this is going to ET, which is Mr.
25:31 Mr. Cheatham.
25:32 Cheatham.
25:33 Okay.
25:34 And you’ll bring that back with any kind of modifications.
25:37 Does anybody wish to speak to 8305 information security?
25:40 I’m really glad that this one’s actually going to be going in.
25:42 Yeah.
25:43 And there were some July updates.
25:44 So if we can make sure to incorporate those.
25:46 I noticed in here some, it refers to some definitions and 0100.
25:52 And I know we have, I found technical resources, but it also
25:57 refers back to that policy of the
25:59 definitions policy for info resources.
26:01 And I, I didn’t find that in there.
26:03 Maybe we call it something different.
26:04 So we may need it.
26:05 If we need to go back and add that definition or just not put
26:09 that part of the policy in there.
26:10 You know, if we, we feel like we don’t need it.
26:12 Um, that was, that was all I noticed.
26:16 Okay.
26:17 Moving forward.
26:18 I think we’re going to move forward with bringing that back in
26:20 some sort of way or fashion.
26:21 Thank you very much, Mr. Cheatham.
26:22 Moving on to 8310 public records.
26:24 Um, the recommendation from GCR is to adopt the policy.
26:28 Mr. Um, Brune, would you like to speak to that?
26:31 Uh, the, uh, this policy was last revised in 2011.
26:35 And since then there’s, uh, extended definition of exemptions
26:39 for public records, I think would
26:40 be useful.
26:41 So I would, I would recommend adopting the Neola, uh, language
26:45 and then also looking at, uh,
26:47 administrative procedures based on that.
26:49 All right.
26:50 Any board member wish to speak to this?
26:52 It looks like we’re going to bring this back, um, in some sort
26:55 of an updated fashion.
26:56 Uh, anybody wants to speak to this?
26:59 Yes.
27:00 Here we go again.
27:01 Sorry.
27:02 Um, this is more of a procedure wise.
27:03 I, I think that tightening up the public records request, this
27:07 is something that I would like
27:08 to see done within our organization so that we can incorporate
27:11 maybe a monthly spreadsheet
27:12 that’s sent to each board member to say, Hey, these are the
27:14 outstanding requests that you
27:15 have on yourself.
27:16 Um, I probably a month and a half or a month ago, I don’t know.
27:19 I made a request cause I thought I had fulfilled all of the
27:21 public records requests that I had.
27:23 And there were some on there that I hadn’t seen and that can
27:26 happen.
27:26 I know that your public records department is inundated with a
27:28 lot of requests.
27:29 So, um, to no fault of their own, but I’m just thinking procedurally,
27:32 it would be really,
27:33 really good if we were given in a monthly update so that I know,
27:36 Hey, is this something
27:37 that it’s on me?
27:38 It wasn’t fulfilled because I didn’t bring in my cell phone or I
27:41 didn’t bring in whatever
27:42 the case is, or is this something that they’re working on behind
27:45 the scenes?
27:45 It would help me just so I know that I’m not the one that, that
27:47 was holding it up.
27:47 So to speak, if that makes sense.
27:48 I think, I think there’s also another thing that we can go to
27:51 the other layers.
27:51 So I’ve asked, I think that there’s going to be some significant
27:54 upgrades inside this
27:55 public records, uh, situation because of some of the inundation
27:58 that you guys have received,
27:59 some of the legalities around it and everything else.
28:01 I’ve asked our board assistant to miss Lena to give us an update
28:06 as we receive them.
28:07 Um, just so you know that the way it works is, is that if we’ve
28:10 received them, when you check
28:11 in every week, just check in with Lena and say, Hey, do we have
28:13 any outstanding?
28:14 That way we can check in and say, Hey, this is something that we
28:17 need to address and file
28:20 for.
28:21 And sometimes there’s public records requests for your personal
28:24 stuff and everything else.
28:24 And in that indication, you go home, check it, send the
28:27 screenshots and all that stuff.
28:28 But we don’t have a process around that yet.
28:30 And we’ve developed some things that are kind of not in policy
28:33 yet.
28:33 So what I’ve done is, is part of the offsite that we have next
28:36 week is we’re going to talk
28:36 about what our wishes as a board moving forward on some of these
28:39 things are.
28:39 So that might be some feedback for you.
28:41 And then also some of the things you’ve seen on your end.
28:43 So the things like sounds like what you guys are talking about
28:46 are things to incorporate
28:46 in the administrative procedure, not the policy, but the right
28:50 way.
28:50 Gotcha.
28:51 Cause we can get it quicker too.
28:52 All right.
28:53 With that, we have, um, everybody.
28:55 Okay.
28:56 Moving forward.
28:57 All right.
28:58 83 15 informational management.
28:59 That is going to GCR again.
29:01 That’s mine.
29:02 I would recommend, uh, bringing that back and adopting the Neola
29:05 version.
29:06 Okay.
29:07 Does anybody wish to speak to informational management?
29:10 No?
29:11 Yep.
29:12 All right.
29:13 Hang on just a second.
29:15 Okay.
29:16 This is what starts getting kind of great.
29:18 All right.
29:19 83 20 records management is our next policy.
29:22 Um, that is moving over to GCR.
29:25 Mr. Broome.
29:26 Yeah.
29:27 On this one, it’s basically the, the, the, the name of the state
29:30 organization
29:31 that, uh, oversees it’s been changed.
29:33 And that language is, is reflected in Neola update, uh, the
29:36 division of library and information
29:38 services versus Bureau of archives and records management.
29:41 So that would be the only change, but we should probably do that
29:44 since it’s the name of the,
29:45 the state agency.
29:46 So we can handle that.
29:47 All right.
29:48 Thank you for doing that.
29:49 Does anybody else wish to speak to 83 20 on records management?
29:52 Yay.
29:53 For easy updates.
29:54 All right.
29:55 And then, um, moving on to 83 25, which is an Eola update, um,
29:59 goes to HR general counsel.
30:00 Which one should I turn to on this one?
30:02 I’ll go to Paul since he doesn’t have.
30:03 I’d recommend looking at it and bringing it back for adoption.
30:06 Okay.
30:07 Does any board member wish to speak to 83 25 prior to us moving
30:09 on?
30:09 Yeah.
30:10 I I’d like for you guys to look at it, but just reading through,
30:12 it seems like it’s more descriptive
30:14 than policy, um, would be my only reason why I would say we didn’t
30:18 necessarily need it.
30:19 Cause it seems like we’re going to do this, we’re going to do
30:22 this, but it’s not really,
30:22 uh, right.
30:23 It might be more suited for an administrative procedure, but I’d
30:26 like to dig in a little bit
30:27 more.
30:28 Yeah.
30:29 That sounds good to me.
30:30 All right.
30:31 So we, Paul’s going to look at it and bring it back.
30:33 Any other questions?
30:34 None.
30:35 Moving forward.
30:36 We have 83 30 student records, GCR.
30:39 Yeah.
30:40 This was updated February of 2022, but there’s another update
30:44 that’s pretty lengthy.
30:45 So I think I want to review this and bring it back and kind of
30:48 match it up against our current
30:49 one and mesh them versus just adopting one of the other.
30:52 Yeah.
30:53 No, I like those better than that.
30:54 Any board member wish to speak to 83 30?
30:56 And this is the one that also had a September update.
30:59 I believe that’s correct.
31:00 And a September.
31:01 Adding that threat assessment language, I think.
31:03 So yes.
31:04 Absolutely.
31:06 And just to back up with Ms. Campbell always says is if we could
31:10 make sure that as we’re
31:12 updating these administrative procedures, they make it to be
31:14 online and everything else
31:15 that we have so that people can look at the policies and the
31:18 administrative procedures.
31:19 I know you guys are doing it.
31:20 It’s just, as long as we can go about that, I want to say it for
31:23 you.
31:23 So you didn’t have to say it.
31:24 Oh, I had, I have some, I have, I actually only caught one that
31:28 didn’t have an administrative
31:29 procedure that said it needed to have one.
31:30 That’s okay.
31:31 I just wanted to verify.
31:32 Thank you.
31:33 I just wanted to verify.
31:34 Okay.
31:35 They’re, they’re catching it though.
31:36 Cause I think there, I started, I saw a comment on there.
31:39 We need to have an administrative procedure.
31:40 Like, oh, they’re catching it.
31:41 All right.
31:42 Moving on to 83 40, which is not inside of our policy letters of
31:48 reference for disclosure
31:49 of information regarding former or current employees, human
31:52 resources.
31:53 Yeah.
31:54 I’d like to take a look at this policy.
31:55 Cause we have procedures, but I, I, it might need to go into
31:58 policy.
31:58 So let me look at the process.
32:00 Love it.
32:01 Okay.
32:02 All right.
32:03 I’m hearing none.
32:04 We’re going to move on to 83 50 confidentiality.
32:07 This is going to go to GCR.
32:09 Mr. Bruhn.
32:12 This is another one.
32:16 I’d like to take a look at.
32:18 Um, they added a couple of, um, references to policies, 83, 10
32:21 and 83, 30 that we are going
32:23 to, um, look at as well.
32:24 So I think we need to kind of do all these together.
32:26 So I’d like to bring this back.
32:27 Okay.
32:28 Any board member wish to speak to 83 50 confidentiality.
32:32 This was the one that needs, um, that needs an administrative
32:39 procedure.
32:40 Cause it says that we will have one and I didn’t see one on this
32:44 one.
32:45 Okay.
32:46 Moving on 83, 90 animals on district property.
32:50 We all love the animals that we get to see on a regular basis.
32:52 This is the policy behind it.
32:54 This goes to the chief operating officer or the chief of schools.
32:57 Ms.
32:58 Hand, do you wish to talk about this one?
32:59 No.
33:00 Well, I just thought maybe because of the goats that we have on
33:04 property that that would
33:04 be part of the policy.
33:05 No, this is not a goat policy.
33:06 Listen, Ms. Campbell, I’m just throwing out some fun.
33:08 Seriously, this is one that sort of straddles several different
33:12 operational areas of the district.
33:14 So, uh, Mr. Ramer, Mr. Wilson, and I and our EHS student
33:19 services, we’ll all be looking at this one together.
33:22 Is there, there’s aspects about animals as instructional in the
33:26 instructional environment, as well as service animals.
33:29 And we, we have all sorts of interesting questions around this
33:33 policy.
33:34 So it needs a little bit of work.
33:37 A lot of moving parts to this policy.
33:39 I think just so everybody understands, we love animals up here.
33:42 So if there’s a caution of letting them in or not, we wouldn’t
33:46 mind allowing that.
33:47 Yeah.
33:48 I’m excited about this policy.
33:49 I’m like, so what you’re saying is our schools could have a
33:51 chicken coop.
33:51 If it’s tied to curriculum.
33:53 That’s what I’m hearing when I look at this.
33:55 I like that.
33:56 And I think it’s pretty exciting.
33:57 What about, what about llamas?
33:58 As long as it’s outside, this is right.
34:00 Okay, outside.
34:01 Outside chicken coop.
34:02 Say, I’m, I’m for them.
34:03 What about, yeah, we can have-
34:04 See, you guys are hilarious because I, we’re having these
34:07 conversations about animals.
34:09 And I remember when we went through this policy before, we were
34:11 talking about service animals and opening up the door because we
34:14 didn’t have that opportunity.
34:14 So, and I’m seeing it as a service animals and we’re placing
34:17 some limits.
34:17 Because right now, nowadays, like where my daughter goes to
34:20 college, you can just say, I need this emotional support cat.
34:23 And you can take it with you just about anywhere.
34:25 I don’t think we’re about to open those doors.
34:27 Right.
34:28 So you’re talking about, I mean, we already have animals on,
34:31 well, I mean, where my kids went to school, there were animals
34:33 all over the place.
34:34 In the science labs and, and you know, whatever.
34:37 But, so I think, to me, I saw this more as like service animals,
34:41 you know.
34:42 There’s a risk element to this as well.
34:44 Yeah.
34:45 Well, we’re not talking about having Wolverines on campus.
34:47 Okay.
34:48 But I think that if somebody wants to go along on campus.
34:50 A little 4H in the schools would be probably a good thing.
34:53 I think we should encourage joint partnerships with the zoo and
34:55 anything else that we can get that brings animals.
34:58 Because I truly believe in the economic or the, the advancement
35:02 of our students through having that connection.
35:05 I’ve seen so many kids grow as individuals inside of the schools
35:08 with the, you know, hatching of the eggs or the science projects
35:12 and stuff like that.
35:13 They do, they identify a connection to those animals.
35:15 They identify some of the kids that don’t have a good home life
35:18 and everything else that it works.
35:20 So I think even if the board members wanted to bring a special
35:22 animal to show at the school board meeting, we should be able to
35:25 do that too.
35:26 Depends on the meeting.
35:27 So anyways.
35:28 What animal will bring.
35:29 Well, there are some animals that show up anyway, but they may
35:32 be not identified as animals, but.
35:33 Yeah.
35:34 All right.
35:35 So anyways, I think we have some good conversations wrapped
35:37 around this.
35:37 I think you guys are having heart palpitations on your end of
35:39 the bench.
35:39 Sorry guys.
35:40 But I think that, look at Dufresne, he’s really.
35:42 Look, he’s giving me the, I got the over the eyeglasses.
35:45 I guess I’m just trying to figure out what is it that we want to
35:48 add that’s not already in there.
35:49 Cause I feel like it’s, we have a lot in there.
35:52 If you look at it to tighten it up and then we kind of come
35:55 forward with some of our ideas, I think we can come to it.
35:57 It may be fine as is.
35:58 I just feel like we have, we’d like an opportunity as a cross
36:02 functional group to just kind of look at it all and make sure
36:06 that everybody’s boxes or checks.
36:07 Mr. Dufresne is right.
36:08 There’s risk elements with allergies and things like that, as
36:13 well as just animal misbehavior.
36:15 And I think some of that was covered as I recall in
36:18 administrative procedure that was developed as far as like if
36:22 you, even if you have a service animal, you’re, who’s
36:24 responsible for cleaning up and all of those kinds of things.
36:27 It’s pretty good.
36:28 But I, I would like an opportunity for us all to look at it one
36:32 more time before we declare this done.
36:34 Yeah.
36:35 Okay.
36:36 Thanks.
36:37 Mascots included in that too, Mr. Dufresne.
36:40 I’m trying to give him as much as we can.
36:44 All right.
36:45 Moving on 8,400 environmental health and safety issues.
36:49 It looks like that’s going to be back to facilities.
36:51 Ms. Hanna.
36:52 Yes, sir.
36:53 We updated this in 2020 and it reflects in the OLA language, so
36:56 we’re okay with it as is.
36:57 Okay.
36:58 Does any board member wish to speak to this policy?
37:01 Nope.
37:02 All right.
37:03 Hearing none.
37:04 We’ll move on to 8405 school safety and security, threats
37:08 assessments and teams.
37:09 This has some large updates on Ms. Hanna, which speak to just so
37:13 you guys know staff has requested that they take a look at this
37:16 and then bring something back to us for discussion ahead of time.
37:18 There’s so many moving parts.
37:19 Go ahead.
37:20 Um, we want to refer it to staff.
37:23 Um, the biggest addition is we need to add the, the new Florida,
37:28 uh, threat assessment model to the current policy.
37:32 Beautiful.
37:33 And your idea is that you’re going to do that and bring it back
37:35 to us so that we can workshop it and then go from there.
37:37 10, 4.
37:38 Absolutely.
37:39 I think there’s a lot here that if we have anything offline you
37:41 want to go bring to them, bring to them and now we can move on.
37:44 Yep.
37:45 And this one, can we move this one maybe a little faster?
37:47 Uh, we can.
37:48 Then, I mean, rather than the other 8,000, because some of them
37:51 can wait.
37:51 Yeah.
37:52 I would say this would be as important as the animal one.
37:56 Thank you.
37:57 8406.
37:58 Oh my goodness.
37:59 I’m going to ignore that.
38:01 8406 moving on.
38:04 Um, reports of suspicious activity and potential threats to
38:07 schools, facilities, students, and employees.
38:10 Um, this is going to end up going to the chief operating officer,
38:13 which is Ms. Hand.
38:14 Ms. Hand, do you wish to speak to her?
38:15 Mr. Wilson.
38:17 Oh, okay.
38:18 Go ahead, Mr. Wilson.
38:19 I mean, she can have it.
38:20 I mean.
38:21 No, no.
38:22 This, this policy was last updated in 2020.
38:25 And, uh, we reviewed it and we feel that it is okay as is and it
38:29 does reflect the Neola language.
38:32 Okay.
38:33 Any board member wish to speak to this?
38:34 All right.
38:35 Hearing none, we’re moving on to 8407 safe school officers.
38:39 Um, this is to our chief of schools again.
38:44 Yep.
38:45 Also okay as is, uh, updated in 2022 and it does reflect the Neola,
38:50 the Neola language.
38:52 All right.
38:53 Rolling to anybody wish to speak to that?
38:56 Hearing none, moving to the next one.
38:58 Mr. Wilson, 8410.
39:00 Yes.
39:01 Oh, Ms. Dampierre.
39:03 Okay.
39:04 It’s hard when this thing’s kind of bent and I’m going.
39:07 This, this policy was last revised, uh, in June, 2020.
39:11 Um, we recommend it’s current, that it reflects all of the Neola
39:15 language, no changes.
39:17 And there seems to be something of a change to the, uh, uh,
39:21 administrative procedures.
39:22 It seems odd and unnecessary.
39:23 You’re going to take a look at those and kind of bring those
39:25 back.
39:25 Yes.
39:26 For the administrative, uh, procedures, we will need to update
39:28 that.
39:28 That wasn’t updated at the time.
39:30 Okay.
39:31 Any board member wish to speak to 8410?
39:33 Hearing none, we’re going to move on to critical incident
39:36 response.
39:37 Um, chief operating officer, Mr. Wilson.
39:40 All right.
39:41 Last updated 2020.
39:42 Uh, we reviewed it and it is okay as is, and it does reflect the
39:46 Neola language.
39:47 Um, one of the things I noticed is, is that the, the overall
39:52 kind of,
39:52 critical incident response is, you know what I mean?
39:54 Do we, do we have administrative procedures that kind of goes
39:57 into depth over what that
39:58 critical incident response looks like?
39:59 Because we have some policies in the back that kind of talk to
40:02 some more of that.
40:02 But is there something that we have?
40:04 Um, just wanted to make sure that if there is, that we have that
40:07 backed up to the policy
40:08 and everything else, that’s all.
40:09 It’s just that you don’t have to dig through it.
40:11 Yeah.
40:12 I mean, we don’t have an administrative procedure specifically
40:15 for this one.
40:16 As long as it’s defined, there’s some other policies throughout
40:19 that speak to that, that
40:20 we’re about to get into.
40:21 Correct.
40:22 But as long as we have some sort of a place that we can all go
40:24 to for those critical incident
40:25 responses, that’d be great.
40:26 And I know that there’s some security wrapped around that.
40:28 So sometimes that’s not public knowledge.
40:30 Um, but I did just want to kind of go through that.
40:32 I just wanted to point out, I mean, you may just feel like it
40:37 doesn’t need to be in there,
40:41 but there is an update in July for that one.
40:42 For the choking, for the choking in the cafeteria.
40:45 Yeah.
40:47 And that’s, and that’s taking care of the process.
40:50 Yeah.
40:51 It was a little thing.
40:52 Like you have to put a choking poster up in the cafeteria.
40:54 That was the one.
40:55 And that’s going to be addressed in, in the, uh, food services
40:58 part.
40:58 Okay.
40:59 When we get there.
41:00 Correct.
41:01 Other than that, I think ours is better than the one that you’ll
41:04 have presented because
41:04 it’s specific to the SEOP and all that.
41:06 Absolutely.
41:07 We thought the same.
41:08 Okay.
41:09 Next one up is 8415 emergency crisis management.
41:14 Sorry.
41:15 Did we want to skip the 8410, the early warning signs of
41:18 violence?
41:19 That’s not a policy that we have.
41:20 I think we just did that one.
41:21 Sorry.
41:22 Is that what we’re talking about?
41:23 Am I missing it?
41:24 Yeah.
41:25 We were just critical.
41:27 So we did 8410.
41:29 Okay.
41:30 Crisis intervention, early warning signs.
41:32 Those are all administrative procedures.
41:33 Sorry.
41:34 And then, and then we did 84.01, which is critical incident
41:37 response.
41:38 That’s what we just spoke about.
41:39 That’s okay.
41:40 Yeah.
41:41 And then now we’re onto 8415, which is not one of our policies,
41:44 but we’re going to ask
41:46 finance to.
41:47 Ms. Lisinski isn’t, isn’t here yet.
41:50 Um, she asked that we just refer this one to staff for review.
41:52 So you want to refer it to staff?
41:53 Yep.
41:54 We’ll bring that back for you.
41:55 So that’s a new policy that staff wants to take a look at.
41:58 Um, are you guys okay with that?
41:59 Anybody wish to say anything to it?
42:00 Hearing none, we can move on to 8420 emergency management,
42:05 emergency preparedness and emergency
42:06 response agencies.
42:08 Uh, Mr. Wilson.
42:09 After our review, we, uh, feel that this policy is okay as is.
42:13 Uh, it was last updated on 2020 and it does reflect the Miola
42:17 language.
42:18 Okay.
42:20 I want us to, I would like us to go back and look at this one
42:22 again, because I don’t think
42:23 ours includes the Alyssa’s law section.
42:25 Um, unless we’ve got it some other way, because we did, are we
42:29 looking at 8420?
42:31 Yeah.
42:32 8420.
42:33 Okay.
42:34 So I, I have, we did it in, in 2020.
42:36 There was an update in 2022.
42:37 And I think that was the Alyssa’s law section and we’re, we’re
42:41 complying, but we don’t have
42:43 that section in there.
42:44 So if, if that would be my question, because when I looking
42:49 through what we, what we were
42:51 missing, um, we don’t have anything about that.
42:54 So can we just check that one again?
42:57 I’d like for them to take one more look.
43:00 Uh, absolutely.
43:01 I think that that would be something that we can add to it.
43:04 Any other, and if you can provide that information.
43:08 Yeah.
43:09 It was in the Miola.
43:10 It was in the Miola, but it just, that one section of the Alyssa’s
43:14 alert.
43:14 Good job.
43:15 Anybody else to speak to anything?
43:17 Um, I, I actually have something that I wanted to speak to.
43:20 Um, one of the things that we have that keeps coming up is our AED,
43:24 um, devices throughout,
43:26 and identifying a system where all of our members of our school
43:30 districts employees know where
43:31 the AEDs are, and then also know how to utilize each one of them
43:35 is a massive, uh, um, opportunity
43:38 for us.
43:39 And it’s not identified inside of this emergency management.
43:42 And I want to tell everybody a little bit of a story to where
43:44 this comes true.
43:45 Um, so at the area high school, a couple of years ago, a student
43:48 went down and the first
43:49 thing that happened was they called the fire department and the
43:53 fire.
43:53 First off, they called the, um, they called out for the AED and
43:57 they thought that the school
43:58 district, the school thought that they were calling for the AD.
44:01 So the athletic director ran out there.
44:02 So there was a, uh, ROTC instructor, Tim Thomas, that literally
44:07 pumped the kid for almost two
44:08 minutes while all of this was going on.
44:10 Then once the AD came, realized what it was, they screamed and
44:14 sent the, for the AED.
44:16 And at the same time, the, where they were at and located at the,
44:20 um, fire department did
44:22 not know how to get back there with the chains.
44:24 So they were delayed in getting them.
44:26 So what ended up happening is, is that by the time they got
44:29 there, it was almost two and
44:30 a half minutes.
44:31 They shocked him, brought him into stabilization.
44:33 Um, he went to the hospital where overnight I was over there.
44:37 He went out like four or five times and they brought him back.
44:40 It was this whole thing.
44:41 The kid ended up living much to the credit of Tim Thomas.
44:43 And that was a promise, but what I made a promise at that point,
44:46 I don’t know if we do it now,
44:47 is that we would identify where the location of every AD is, how
44:51 we can educate each member
44:52 on where that is and how the AD is used.
44:55 They’re very easy to understand.
44:56 It’s a very quick thing, but I think that it causes pause when
45:00 somebody’s never seen it
45:01 to actually implement it.
45:02 Now, do we have anything like that in place, Mr. Wilson?
45:05 And if not?
45:06 84 52.
45:07 Yeah.
45:08 We’re coming up on that one.
45:09 I think that’s chief of schools, if I’m not mistaken, but not to
45:12 my knowledge.
45:12 Not to my knowledge.
45:13 Okay.
45:14 Not to my knowledge.
45:15 So if we, and I can have Sean Seema come back and he gives the
45:19 greatest speeches.
45:20 So it might even just be worth letting him come in because he
45:22 gives these great speeches,
45:23 but he is adamantly, this is something that he requested that,
45:27 um, having our, having our agencies
45:30 know when they come on campus, where the gates are at and
45:32 everything else is something that we do
45:34 with them.
45:35 I think at the beginning of the year, but then they have
45:37 different shifts and they have different
45:38 stuff and the, and you know what I mean?
45:39 So sometimes it comes off somewhere in there that we know for a
45:42 fact that when this happens,
45:43 this is where it is.
45:44 That’s it.
45:45 I know in my experiences as a, uh, building level administrator,
45:49 that the, uh, municipalities
45:51 had clear access to our campus and knew, um, we shared our, our
45:56 floor plans with them.
45:57 And we went over that as a part of the drill process.
46:00 Yep.
46:01 Um, so that’s, that should be in place, but let me take a look.
46:04 Yeah.
46:05 If there’s, if there’s some with Mr. Ramer, so we can make sure.
46:08 And instead, instead of us just saying, we know it’s in place.
46:10 As long as there’s a procedure where we check it to where we
46:13 know that somebody verified it
46:14 and that it’s done.
46:15 Um, and if it’s okay with everybody, cause I’m speaking without
46:18 the majority right now,
46:19 but I would like to see if you guys have anything.
46:21 I would like to have our staff trained on where they are and
46:24 know how to use them.
46:25 Does that make sense?
46:26 So part of 8452 that we adopted just last year incorporates
46:31 where they are.
46:32 And I think maybe the difference from what you’re, if I, if I’m
46:36 not hearing you right,
46:36 from what you’re saying, what the policy says is everybody who
46:39 would be reasonably expected to use them.
46:40 So coaches, admin, athletic directors, any of the trainers, all
46:45 those things must be trained.
46:46 So I think what I’m hearing you saying you wanted to add is just
46:49 that there’s a broader awareness of where they’re located.
46:51 I would say maybe office, front office staff, because they’re
46:55 usually the ones,
46:55 you know, that would know in addition, cause we want our, you
46:58 know, our local firefighters
47:00 and emergency responders to, to know where they are.
47:03 But if it’s a new person or whatever, that there should be
47:06 besides just athletic director,
47:07 anybody they may have come across in the front office or on
47:10 their way to.
47:11 So anybody at the school, my, my opinion is, is that anybody
47:15 that’s a school employee at that location
47:16 should know where all the AEDs are and be trained for it.
47:18 That that’s basically what I’m saying.
47:20 And, and I think there’s multiple other ones that have occurred.
47:23 I just had a personal example of what happened there.
47:26 And Sean had mentioned this and he said that.
47:28 So does that help you?
47:29 Yeah.
47:30 I mean, I would agree with you as far as the knowledge of where
47:32 it is.
47:32 I don’t know that we want to take that.
47:34 I would want to take the step of making sure that every staff
47:36 member on a school campus is trained in how to use it.
47:38 Because that’s a, that is maybe a greater ask.
47:42 Okay.
47:43 Well, if I could speak to that, it takes five minutes to show
47:46 them at a faculty meeting on how to utilize the thing it takes.
47:49 You open it up and everything else.
47:50 We also do, you know, CPR and stuff like that.
47:55 If, if you’re saying that you do not want them to be trained on
47:59 this, on this AED, I’m very adamant about having our staff
48:02 trained in some way.
48:03 If there’s a, if we need to have a board majority, I understand
48:06 that to move forward.
48:07 Um, what are you saying?
48:08 Well, I, I’m not fighting.
48:10 Be careful.
48:11 I’m not fighting.
48:12 I’m trying to be careful because I’m not fighting on the
48:14 importance of them.
48:15 But once everybody gets trained and there is expectation that if
48:18 something, an event happens in front of you, then you will be
48:20 one of the, to me, once you’re trained, you’ll be one of the
48:22 people who will be expected to do it.
48:23 And it’s, that’s kind of scary, to be honest.
48:26 And maybe it’s my ignorance of exactly how they work and how
48:29 simple it would be to use them.
48:30 But it’s a little intimidating to think that any employee,
48:34 including, you know, a cafeteria baker is now going to go
48:38 through the training.
48:39 And then if it happens in front of them, they’ll be responsible
48:42 for going and getting it and on operating if they’re the one who’s
48:45 there.
48:45 And what I would say back to that is, is that part of the fear
48:48 is not knowing how to utilize it.
48:49 But if a student is sitting there passing in front of somebody,
48:52 and they’re fearful on using the AED, then we need to make sure
48:54 that they know what that AED is doing.
48:56 And they, and that they’re trained to do so.
48:58 I would rather have the fear of them not doing it because, not
49:01 because they didn’t know how to use it, and watching one of our
49:05 students pass in front of them.
49:06 That’s, that’s, this is, there’s multiple other instances that
49:10 Coach, Coach Woods at Coco that went down, and they had a
49:13 situation where they were trying to find the AED.
49:15 There’s, there’s a bunch of them that occurred.
49:17 And this would help in multiple areas.
49:19 So that’s why I’m passionate about it.
49:21 I’m sorry if I seem like I’m.
49:22 Well, those are two different things.
49:23 Knowing where that, knowing where it is and who’s going to be
49:25 responsible to you.
49:26 Those are two different issues.
49:27 And I, you know, I.
49:28 Miss, Miss Campbell, I would like to move forward with training
49:31 every, every employee on AEDs and understanding how they do it.
49:33 That’s what I would like to do.
49:34 And I would like to get board majority to move forward with that
49:36 if I needed to, if you, if you’re not in favor of that.
49:40 Or at least looking at that as an options, as far as a policy,
49:43 so that we can understand.
49:45 We have bus drivers, we have everybody that needs to know how to
49:49 utilize CPR and AEDs.
49:50 Is there anybody else that wishes to do, to talk to this?
49:53 I would love to speak to it.
49:54 I would like to too.
49:55 I, I, I don’t believe that we CPR train every single staff
49:59 member on our campus.
50:00 So I don’t think that’s an accurate statement.
50:01 Of course.
50:02 But I, I do have a legality question though, because within the
50:05 policy already, staff members who do attend to a victim are
50:11 shielded from, from anything legal.
50:14 If something goes wrong, you know, they’re shielded.
50:17 They have immunity, but it doesn’t say the opposite.
50:21 So just, just a legal question.
50:23 If it does get to the point where everyone is trained and then
50:26 they don’t react, but we know that they’re all trained because
50:29 we put that in place.
50:30 What’s their liability there?
50:32 I’d have to review the statutory language to weigh in on whether
50:36 they just didn’t provide it for anyone who doesn’t.
50:40 Generally, you don’t have an obligation to act, right?
50:45 So under the law, you don’t have an obligation to put yourself
50:48 in that position.
50:49 But once you start, you can’t abandon your assistance.
50:54 So like if someone’s in a car underwater, once you start into
50:58 the water, you can’t back out because other people may see you
51:03 acting and not act themselves.
51:05 So now you’ve taken on that burden.
51:07 That’s why those shield laws are there.
51:09 So that’s the general law.
51:11 But I don’t know off the top of my head what Florida statute
51:14 says.
51:14 So I don’t want to review it.
51:15 Okay.
51:16 That, that’s just, that would just be my, my one major concern
51:19 is if we start putting liability on our staff members because
51:23 they’re trained for something that they’re definitely not going
51:25 to be comfortable with.
51:25 I don’t, I don’t want to do that for our employees.
51:28 And then of course, my question would just be, you know, what
51:31 does it look like?
51:32 Is it really that quick?
51:33 Are you, you know, is it that simple to just do in a training
51:37 during PD or something like that?
51:39 Um, I just want to know what the answer is to that.
51:42 Thanks.
51:43 I would love to speak to this if it’s possible.
51:46 So as somebody who goes through CPR and AED training every two
51:50 years, um, I don’t know if every AED machine is the same, but I
51:52 will tell you everyone that I’ve ever been trained on, it walks
51:56 you through the process.
51:57 It tells you now take the pads, place them on the side.
52:00 And then it literally tells you exactly what to do.
52:03 Um, so the good news is I feel like any of our staff would jump
52:07 in, in the event that a child went down.
52:08 They’re going to immediately react and try to help that child.
52:12 Um, I don’t really see any harm in training them on this because
52:16 again, the machine tells you what to do.
52:17 And there’s a level of comfort there on, and it’ll tell you,
52:20 okay, are the pads placed?
52:21 I mean, it literally very calmly walks it through and tells you
52:24 to press the button.
52:25 Um, and then to step back.
52:27 I mean, it really, it’s very, very user friendly.
52:30 Uh, in the event, I think it would be extremely beneficial for
52:33 us at the district to notify.
52:35 Maybe that’s something a principal can do to say, hey, we have
52:38 an AED machine on site.
52:39 It is located here.
52:40 Um, these are the individuals that are trained on how to use it.
52:44 Uh, and then a list just so that staff knows that.
52:46 I don’t, I can see both sides of this because I, I understand
52:49 what you’re saying machine is on the concern as far as the
52:52 liability.
52:52 Um, but I’m gonna tell you right now, I don’t think any of our
52:55 staff would hesitate for one second to jump in.
52:57 If a child needed CPR or an AED, uh, administered to them or
53:01 staff, I think they would, would do what was necessary.
53:03 So again, to be trained on it, um, I don’t see the harm in the
53:08 training.
53:09 Uh, it doesn’t mean that you have to do it because you’re
53:11 trained on it.
53:12 Um, but it gives you the opportunity.
53:15 It gives you the opportunity and you would feel a level of
53:17 comfort knowing, hey, I’ve been trained on this and I know how
53:19 to do it.
53:19 So that’s, that’s the only thing I’m thinking.
53:21 Mr. Trent.
53:22 Hang on, Mr. Trent.
53:23 Well, I, I would just add as a former coach and being trained,
53:27 um, I often wondered why everyone isn’t at least exposed to this
53:32 training.
53:33 Um, so, um, if, if you’re looking for a, uh, support.
53:37 So I would just suggest that rather than us making a statement,
53:42 excuse me, sorry, as a board right now that we are going to do
53:46 this, that we, like we’ve done with these other policies, let’s
53:48 refer this to staff and let them, rather than us making the
53:52 reaction right now in the moment, have some time to think
53:55 through and, and look at what it might look like, um, to add
53:59 that to policy in 8452 or administrative procedure that it’s
54:03 attached to 8452.
54:04 Um, but let them, cause we do have an administrative procedure
54:07 for that.
54:07 And I think, I think, I think the, I think the, the, I think the,
54:11 the recommendation is that the majority of the board wants to
54:15 move forward with training them and finding a way to find the
54:18 locations and train them where that is.
54:20 And what staff should do is come back with a recommendation,
54:23 unless there’s some sort of a strong legal argument that they
54:27 come back with a recommendation to train them and to have the AEDs
54:30 located inside those locations.
54:31 I think that’s the direction that I think we’re all comfortable
54:34 with, that unless there’s something strong legally that we can’t,
54:37 we would not want to train them that that is what it is.
54:38 So I think if, if that’s good on the direction that you guys are
54:41 okay with, that’s what I’m hearing.
54:43 So I just want to reiterate, um, I’m not saying that there’ll be
54:49 a legal reason not to train them.
54:52 I’m saying if this is going to happen that we need to be aware
54:55 as staff that it needs to be clearly stated in the policy
54:58 because it says the opposite in the policy for your immune if
55:01 you act and something goes wrong.
55:03 So if we are trading people and, and legally it is the opposite,
55:07 then we have to make sure it’s clearly stated in our policy for
55:10 our staff members to see.
55:12 Um, that was not for me, not an excuse not to train people.
55:15 I just, I want to be hyper aware of that because it would be a
55:18 very opposite.
55:19 I’m just right.
55:20 I agree with you.
55:20 I don’t think the majority of people wouldn’t respond, but it
55:23 happens.
55:23 It happened in Parkland and unfortunately it could happen
55:27 because people are people and sometimes you freeze and you panic.
55:30 And so again, because if we put that burden on our staff, they
55:33 need to see it in writing.
55:34 That’s all I’m saying.
55:35 And I would remind, I would remind everybody in this argument,
55:38 um, that there’s already, coaches are already trained and we
55:42 already have staff that is already trained that already knows
55:45 where the ADs are and already knows what the functions are.
55:48 So with that, um, I think you guys have direction and if you
55:51 need any help on that direction, I can always fill it in.
55:53 So we got it.
55:54 Thank you.
55:55 I will, uh, work with Mr. Ramer.
55:56 This policy lies in him, but I will work with him and see this
55:59 come to fruition.
56:00 All right.
56:01 Moving on to 84.
56:02 I think this is, let me get here.
56:03 Yep.
56:04 84 20.01 lightning safety and outdoor activities.
56:08 Yes.
56:09 Um, this is going to be miss.
56:10 Okay.
56:11 I’ll take that.
56:12 Um, we’re actually working on that right now.
56:14 So we believe we do need to do some serious updates.
56:17 Not necessarily to the policy.
56:18 I saw Neil, it was like 2007.
56:19 Yeah.
56:20 And just as a practical matter, technology has moved on and we
56:23 were talking about expanding
56:25 the, you know, our lightning protection has been sort of
56:28 oriented into the sports world,
56:30 but really we need to have a little broader perspective on it.
56:33 So that’s, we actually met on that yesterday.
56:36 So we’re working on this one.
56:37 Can I add something just real fast on this one?
56:39 I think it would be very wise for the district to maybe set a
56:42 mile radius of where lightning
56:44 strikes are.
56:45 Um, and that be our measuring because sometimes when this gets
56:48 left up to the interpretation,
56:48 if you hear it, they’re like, Oh, there’s lightning out there.
56:50 Um, so if we’re saying, Hey, if lightning is striking within X,
56:53 Y, Z number of miles,
56:54 and you can look on any, there’s tons of apps that do this, um,
56:58 that would help at least
56:59 give clear directions so that the staff knows, Oh, we looked and
57:01 it’s only three miles.
57:02 And our policy says that needs to be more than five miles or
57:04 whatever the case is.
57:05 I think, I think it’s 30 miles is what it is.
57:08 There’s a, there’s a very conservative state statute regulator.
57:12 It’s no, it’s crazy.
57:14 I think it’s 10.
57:15 It’s 10.
57:16 Cause when we, when we started doing this in like 2008, they
57:18 paid money to put all the,
57:20 put them all across the school district.
57:22 I remember, um, Oh no, it’s 30 minutes of waiting after 10 miles.
57:26 That’s it.
57:29 30 minutes after 10 miles.
57:31 FHSA has a pretty strong policy as well.
57:33 Yeah.
57:34 And that’s what I had here was when I had inside my notes, I had
57:37 the,
57:37 um, if there’s a way we always were always, uh, and maybe it’s
57:42 not appropriate,
57:42 but there are some FHSAA guidelines that I may or may not,
57:47 we may or may not want to cite inside of here because they
57:50 reference,
57:50 you know what I mean?
57:51 But the question is, is that if a participating school is not
57:55 part of the FHSAA,
57:56 then we do need a policy to be over the top because we have some
58:00 that say they
58:00 don’t want to be a part of it.
58:01 So that doesn’t mean that they don’t have to follow the
58:03 lightning procedures.
58:04 Right.
58:05 So thank you.
58:06 So I think you’ve got where you’re going to go.
58:09 And I’m sorry, Ms. Campbell.
58:10 The NEOLA policy with the same number has to do with epidemics
58:13 and pandemics.
58:13 So do we need to just go ahead and change the number while we’re
58:17 at it so that we’re not in conflict?
58:18 I don’t know if NEOLA even has a lightning recommendation policy.
58:22 I didn’t see one.
58:23 I didn’t either.
58:24 So we’ll, we’ll check all that as we’re updating.
58:26 Okay.
58:27 And as far as the NEOLA epidemics and pandemics one, I don’t
58:29 know that we need to add that.
58:33 I don’t know if you guys looked at that.
58:35 We have a plan.
58:36 I was looking, we do not have the word epidemic or pandemic
58:38 anywhere in our policy book.
58:39 But I know that that’s, I think those are part of our plan.
58:42 Mr. Wilson, the co-op or the plan.
58:47 I want to say there’s something in there.
58:49 Continuity plan?
58:50 Yeah.
58:51 It may be in there.
58:52 It’s somewhere, but I don’t, board, we kind of need to decide,
58:56 do we want to adopt as
58:57 a separate number besides lightning, the epidemics and pandemics.
59:02 So what, what Ms. Campbell is referring to is if you guys pull
59:08 your NEOLA updates, 8420.01,
59:13 8420.01, and I’m coming down to it, refers to a completely
59:18 separate policy.
59:20 And if you guys needed to get there for a second, we can take a
59:23 minute.
59:24 And it’s considered epidemics and pandemics.
59:30 And what Ms. Campbell, if I could give you an opportunity, I
59:40 just wanted to reference it,
59:41 if you could kind of restate it.
59:42 Yeah, I don’t necessarily think we need it, but I’m saying if,
59:45 but we need to make a decision
59:46 because that is a policy.
59:47 That’s a very good point.
59:48 I mean, we do, when we’ve had, I mean, we’re all thinking about
59:51 COVID, but this was actually
59:51 in place a long time ago.
59:52 I’m thinking about the year we had the, was it the bird flu or
59:54 the swine flu or when I’m
59:55 going around years, years ago.
59:57 I don’t know that we’ve put together an epidemic response team
1:00:00 that level.
1:00:01 We certainly have that this time around.
1:00:03 But I mean, if we feel like we need it, that’s a separate, it’s
1:00:06 a separate policy.
1:00:07 We just need to make a call.
1:00:08 Does any board member wish to speak on?
1:00:10 I think Ms. Campbell has a good point that we either add this or
1:00:13 not.
1:00:13 I don’t think we need it, but it’s up to you guys if we do.
1:00:17 I would love to be done with academics.
1:00:21 I mean, I don’t, yeah.
1:00:23 I, I guess I would like to hear what everyone’s thoughts are on
1:00:26 this before.
1:00:27 Ms. Campbell, are you in favor of adding it?
1:00:30 Are you thinking or you’re just wanting to?
1:00:32 I don’t know.
1:00:34 The people, people across the, across the wall of space in
1:00:41 between probably need to take
1:00:43 a look and to see.
1:00:45 To me, this is just saying if something happens, then this is,
1:00:48 this is going to be our response.
1:00:50 The response is going to include getting the team together,
1:00:53 getting the plan together.
1:00:55 If these types of plans are already incorporated into other
1:00:58 procedures that we have as far as continuity
1:01:01 plans and things like that.
1:01:03 Um, you know, like I said, we’re all thinking of COVID, but this
1:01:07 policy was originally, um,
1:01:09 owning a name.
1:01:10 Nevermind.
1:01:11 It was adopted in 2020.
1:01:12 So, uh, the Neola version, they’re putting the date that we
1:01:15 adopted, which is a lightning policy.
1:01:17 So I don’t know.
1:01:20 I would say if it’s incorporated somewhere else, then it’s not
1:01:23 needed.
1:01:24 But if it’s not, I got a jumper.
1:01:28 Um, if it’s not, I think it would be smart to put it in place
1:01:32 because we’ve learned over
1:01:34 the past two and a half years, best practices.
1:01:37 And so if this was to happen four to six years from now, it
1:01:40 would be really smart to have the
1:01:41 best practices already written down so that a whole new
1:01:45 potentially crew of people doesn’t
1:01:47 have to flounder and figure that out themselves.
1:01:49 Um, cause I remember what that was like.
1:01:54 And that was, that was pure chaos.
1:01:56 I mean, hopefully that’ll never happen again, but I’m sure it’s
1:02:00 written somewhere, but if
1:02:01 we can confirm that it’s somewhere, at least for referencing
1:02:03 points, that would be great.
1:02:04 I think, um, you make a good point.
1:02:07 Ms. Jenkins.
1:02:08 Uh, we have, uh, repeat.
1:02:10 We have response teams to hurricanes, to the pandemics, to, you
1:02:14 know what I mean?
1:02:15 Little things that happen inside of our schools and stuff like
1:02:18 that.
1:02:18 The staff, I guess the question is, is the staff need us to
1:02:21 create something?
1:02:22 Or do you wish to put some more?
1:02:24 How do you want to do this?
1:02:25 Our SIOP, um, contains a lot of this information as well as our
1:02:31 continuity plans.
1:02:32 Perfect.
1:02:33 So I, I think the staff is saying that SIOP may have it.
1:02:35 Are you okay with not entertaining this?
1:02:37 I am okay with not entertaining.
1:02:39 Okay.
1:02:40 Next one up is 84 20.02, uh, protective face coverings.
1:02:44 This was repealed in April of 2023.
1:02:46 I don’t think there’s anybody here that wishes to move forward
1:02:49 with adding this.
1:02:50 Nope.
1:02:51 Hearing none.
1:02:52 Moving on.
1:02:53 84 31.
1:02:54 Preparedness for toxic hazard and asbestos hazard.
1:02:58 Um, Ms. Hand.
1:03:00 Yeah.
1:03:01 We believe we’re practicing the Neola policy as a, as a
1:03:04 practical matter, but we want to
1:03:06 just take a look and make sure we’re not missing anything.
1:03:09 So I’d like to have this referred to staff for further review.
1:03:12 Okay.
1:03:13 All right.
1:03:14 Does any board member want to speak to this?
1:03:15 No, you can go with that.
1:03:16 Hearing none.
1:03:17 Moving on to 84 42.
1:03:18 Reporting accidents, incidences.
1:03:21 Um, Ms.
1:03:23 Lysinski’s not here right now.
1:03:25 Oh, she got here.
1:03:26 Oh, great.
1:03:27 There she has.
1:03:28 Hey, Ms. Lysinski.
1:03:29 I’m so sorry.
1:03:30 Been buried in my books.
1:03:31 If you want to grab a seat and kind of tell us what you want to
1:03:34 do here.
1:03:34 Cause you’ve got, you’ve got, I think this is the only one you’ve
1:03:37 got left.
1:03:37 Mr. Dufresne’s exiting happily.
1:03:38 I’m joining us.
1:03:39 Well, you’ve got a couple more coming here, Dufresne.
1:03:40 I don’t think he does.
1:03:41 He does.
1:03:42 He’s got student services, HR.
1:03:43 I see HR.
1:03:44 Currently this is under review.
1:03:45 I want to take a look.
1:03:46 Okay.
1:03:47 So what I’m hearing is staff wants to take this under review.
1:03:48 Does anybody wish to add any comments to this?
1:03:50 So it looks like we have version one and I don’t see any new,
1:03:52 new things.
1:03:53 So as long as they’re good with it, I’m, if, if, if, if I see
1:03:59 something I really want to add, I’m good with just marking this
1:04:11 one as reviewed.
1:04:11 Okay.
1:04:12 Anybody else?
1:04:13 Um, where, where my concern is Ms. Lysinski is what we’ve kind
1:04:17 of implemented inside of our, um,
1:04:19 discipline policies is that there’s some sort of a hook that, um,
1:04:24 we have like when there’s an accident that’s related to a, um,
1:04:29 like a teacher being bitten to hit whatever that is, that that’s
1:04:34 correlates back to our discipline.
1:04:35 And then also if there’s a student that is injured, that there’s
1:04:39 a formal, you know what I mean, a check to say, hey, did this
1:04:42 student get injured from another student?
1:04:44 and does that need to have some sort of discipline?
1:04:47 It’s kind of the alignment of our data
1:04:48 that we went through and we’ve been putting together
1:04:53 through our discipline.
1:04:54 But there needs to be that check, you know what I mean?
1:04:56 You get a workers’ comp case that says
1:04:58 that a teacher has been hit in the face by a student.
1:05:02 That’s great, that’s one thing for your department
1:05:04 to work on the workers’ comp and everything else,
1:05:06 but that other component needs to go back
1:05:08 and over to student services that says,
1:05:10 hey, let’s make sure that that was followed up
1:05:13 with a disciplinary action.
1:05:15 That’s all, does that make sense?
1:05:17 That was my concern, we spoke about that last week
1:05:18 and thank you so much for your amazing presentation
1:05:22 on the data that you did for me the other day.
1:05:24 Do you wanna talk to it at all or?
1:05:26 You don’t have to.
1:05:26 - Okay, yes, we did have an opportunity
1:05:34 and we will be bringing that information to the board.
1:05:37 We will be doing a discipline update
1:05:40 that will include all the data for the first nine weeks.
1:05:43 We are looking at a process and Mr. Reed and I haven’t had a
1:05:48 chance
1:05:49 to get with finance in reference to a way of how we can make
1:05:55 sure
1:05:55 that our employees have been given the opportunity
1:06:00 to complete a referral.
1:06:02 That it’s not, you know, if they get hurt, they choose not to
1:06:05 or they choose, or they choose to, to make sure our data is
1:06:10 correct.
1:06:10 Because a lot of times our employees choose not to
1:06:14 because they’re like, oh, Johnny hit, you know.
1:06:17 But it could turn into something, we want our employees,
1:06:19 if they get hurt on the job, to report that as a workers’ comp,
1:06:23 no matter what, because the next day it could turn into
1:06:26 something major.
1:06:28 So we’re going to be looking at how we can make sure that it’s
1:06:31 wrapped around
1:06:32 where we can get clear data as to whether or not they chose to,
1:06:37 yes or no,
1:06:37 or, you know, that they did complete a referral.
1:06:40 So we have clean data.
1:06:42 - And then there’s the question that whether the teacher wishes
1:06:45 to push forward and make a statement, or if they don’t,
1:06:49 that there still needs to be disciplinary action, right?
1:06:52 Because sometimes the teacher may feel like they’re not supposed
1:06:56 to
1:06:56 based on other, you know, that’s all.
1:06:57 So I think there’s some other conversations wrapped around that.
1:07:00 - And that’s also a training issue with our principals.
1:07:03 We want to make sure that we’re on the LTM agenda every month.
1:07:08 And the topic is discipline.
1:07:10 We’ll make sure that we add that as part of our presentation,
1:07:15 that we really want to make sure our employees feel,
1:07:19 know that they can write a referral.
1:07:20 And if they feel like they’re injured, that they write a
1:07:23 referral,
1:07:24 that we want to get clean data in order to be able to determine
1:07:28 whether or not students were given a consequence.
1:07:34 - Okay. - Or not.
1:07:35 - I did, go ahead Ms. Smith.
1:07:36 - I was just gonna say, there’s still going to be the
1:07:39 possibility
1:07:39 of a gap between workers’ comp incidents,
1:07:42 even that involves students, and discipline.
1:07:46 Not just a gap of did they write a referral or not,
1:07:49 but a student who that behavior is determined to be a
1:07:53 manifestation of their disability,
1:07:54 that’s not necessarily going to be reported as a discipline
1:07:58 referral.
1:07:58 And I mean, we just saw some of those yesterday, the
1:08:01 possibilities.
1:08:01 But I, so I just, I mean, there’s still, it’s not going to be
1:08:06 the,
1:08:06 every, every incident of an employee getting hurt by a student,
1:08:12 it’s not necessarily going to equate to a discipline action or a,
1:08:17 or even one that was just refuted.
1:08:19 I mean, some, some, right, am I, am I tracking?
1:08:22 - And just so you know, we are, it was just in our LTP.
1:08:28 We are, we did a lot of training with our principals and our
1:08:32 administrators on MDR process.
1:08:35 We revamped a lot of the forms, the processes, just to make sure
1:08:39 that there was a clear understanding.
1:08:41 And we just released those updates, which are supposed to take
1:08:45 place in October to make sure we’re using the new forms.
1:08:48 So there’s going to be continuous training as well.
1:08:50 That is a part of the agenda as well, to make sure we have a
1:08:54 clear understanding of the MDR process, what should take place.
1:08:57 But even if it’s not a manifestation of the, of the student’s
1:09:01 disability, we have documentation, whether it was or not.
1:09:06 Right.
1:09:07 And so, and I, and I, that’s exactly some sort of documentation
1:09:10 that says that if a teacher was, and it was on there when we
1:09:14 were going over it, by the way,
1:09:15 Mr. Lee put together, phenomenal data points, he’s, they’re
1:09:21 grabbing exactly what RSM was requesting.
1:09:24 You’re going to be very happy with what, what we saw.
1:09:27 But the argument is, is that if a teacher’s inflicted an injury
1:09:30 based upon a student, that we then have, okay, it was or was not
1:09:35 a student with disabilities or ESC, that was a column.
1:09:37 - Yes.
1:09:38 - And then if so, that was because it was not, but we have to
1:09:41 have documentation supporting that, that’s all.
1:09:43 - Absolutely.
1:09:45 - And you were already in that process of figuring out how to do
1:09:47 that and identifying that, and I wanted to say thank you, Ms. Dambier.
1:09:51 - That’s the team, my team.
1:09:52 They’re doing a wonderful job.
1:09:53 - Yeah.
1:09:54 And your guidance and leadership also in there.
1:09:56 So, anybody else wish to speak to this?
1:09:58 All right.
1:10:01 Hearing none, we move on from 8442 to 8450, Control of Casual
1:10:07 Contact Communicable Diseases.
1:10:10 Let me do this.
1:10:11 This is going to go to Student Services or HR.
1:10:14 - Currently, we do not have this policy at 8450.
1:10:19 The last revision was in 2015 by Neola.
1:10:24 We do not have it.
1:10:26 We want to get the board’s recommendation on whether or not they
1:10:31 want us to add it.
1:10:33 We can add portions of this.
1:10:35 However, there is a section at the bottom of it that talks about
1:10:39 the procedures, outline specific procedures.
1:10:43 And if you look at that statute, Florida statute 381.00315, it
1:10:50 also talks about quarantining and isolation.
1:10:55 So, we want to get the board’s direction on to…
1:10:59 We can add the first part, but the bottom part is more of
1:11:04 procedures.
1:11:06 - Yep.
1:11:07 - So, if we add it, my recommendation would be to add the policy,
1:11:11 but not to include the procedures at the bottom because that
1:11:16 could change.
1:11:17 It’s constantly changing based on the CDC, based on, you know…
1:11:22 - Oh, Mr. HR came up.
1:11:24 - She nailed it.
1:11:25 Yep.
1:11:26 - So, I’m just on the plain reading of the policy.
1:11:30 - Yes, ma’am.
1:11:31 So, it’s down in the paragraph, the second kind of bigger
1:11:36 paragraph under the list.
1:11:38 If a student exhibits symptoms of a communicable disease, then
1:11:41 the principal will isolate the student in the building, contact
1:11:44 the school nurse, attempt to contact the parents.
1:11:46 Isolation means the separation of the student, the reason we
1:11:48 believe, whatever.
1:11:50 Nor if not…
1:11:51 Okay.
1:11:52 Then they will…
1:11:53 I’m just wondering, what does that look like on the school level?
1:11:58 Because if you are, you know, a kid who has severe allergies and
1:12:02 it looks like you have a communicable disease, are we saying…
1:12:05 I mean, because we kind of did that through the COVID and this
1:12:08 is pre-COVID, this is not related to COVID, but I mean, but that
1:12:11 kind of more was heightened the awareness.
1:12:13 We, you know, what, what is that going to look like if we’re
1:12:17 putting this in there?
1:12:19 - We’re currently following procedures, say, for instance, from
1:12:21 the Department of Health.
1:12:23 If there’s any type of outbreak and a student, we follow the
1:12:27 direction of the Department of Health.
1:12:30 They give us direction.
1:12:32 We have letters.
1:12:33 We, of course, communicate with the board, the superintendent,
1:12:36 all of that is followed.
1:12:38 So it’s not any different practice than what we’re doing, except,
1:12:42 you know, it’s in policy that we, you know, follow these
1:12:46 procedures.
1:12:47 But we’re currently doing it without this policy, so.
1:12:50 - Right.
1:12:51 - And you feel that if we have a policy in place, it may handcuff
1:12:54 some of the procedures and stuff like that.
1:12:56 So maybe it is that because it’s a, it’s an ever-changing
1:12:59 environment, your recommendation is to leave this alone moving
1:13:02 forward.
1:13:03 I totally understand you and agree with you.
1:13:05 Any board member wish to speak for this item?
1:13:07 - Yeah, I feel like, I think having a policy for this is really
1:13:12 specific and restrictive for no reason, because these aren’t,
1:13:16 these aren’t common things.
1:13:18 So these are things that, you know, the community is going to be
1:13:20 identified if there’s an outbreak of whooping cough going around.
1:13:23 You know, the schools are going to be notified by the Department
1:13:26 of Health, and they’re going to understand the signs and
1:13:28 symptoms to look for.
1:13:30 So I think, I don’t think we need this in the policy.
1:13:33 - Yep, I think we’re gonna, I think that’s good direction.
1:13:37 We’re good, we’re not going to include this one.
1:13:39 Moving on to 8452, automated external defibrillators, talks a
1:13:43 little bit about what we spoke about.
1:13:45 This is going to go to the chief of schools.
1:13:47 He’s requesting to refer to staff.
1:13:48 You want to speak to it?
1:13:49 You want it just to go back to you?
1:13:52 - Yeah, we’ll, we’ll, we’ll, we’ll take this.
1:13:55 - He doesn’t have, he doesn’t have to come, you don’t have to
1:13:57 come up.
1:13:58 I think this is the only one. - We’ve got it, we’ve got it, this
1:14:00 is a cross-functional one.
1:14:01 - Yep, okay. - So we’ve got it.
1:14:02 - All right, so everybody, does any board member wish to speak
1:14:05 to this?
1:14:05 I think we can understand it.
1:14:06 All right, moving on.
1:14:08 - I would like to add something.
1:14:09 So it sounds like we’re going to do this, which is great, save
1:14:12 lives any way we possibly can.
1:14:14 But, and it sounds like it’s really super simple and fast.
1:14:17 So if we do do this, I mean, in order to continuously spread
1:14:21 awareness, if it’s that simple and fast, like we should be doing
1:14:24 it where people can see it.
1:14:27 You know, it sounds like most of you are trained on this already.
1:14:29 So me and Ms. Campbell, and some of our staff, I mean, I think
1:14:31 it would be great to spread awareness if it really is that fast
1:14:34 and simple.
1:14:35 We might encourage more people to do it outside of the school
1:14:38 system.
1:14:39 - A challenge for the board to get CPR and AED certified.
1:14:41 - Yeah, no, I would, no, really, I mean, if it’s, if it’s that
1:14:44 simple, I would like to, I’m not CPR trained either.
1:14:47 - No, I’ve been CPR trained, you haven’t been CPR trained?
1:14:50 - I think if right now we were asked where the AED is here in
1:14:54 this building, we would struggle to try to move it.
1:14:57 - Well, I would.
1:14:58 - I understand, but the thing is, is that on top of that, you
1:15:03 may not be around,
1:15:05 when it happens, the thing is, is that, I think it’s definitely
1:15:08 worth it.
1:15:08 Thank you.
1:15:09 That was something that I was thinking of is, you may have the PTO
1:15:12 parents, you may have the booster club, you know what I mean?
1:15:16 They should all be a part of knowledge of where these things are.
1:15:18 And I know that it’s new statutory law that carries the AED out
1:15:21 into the sports fields and stuff like that,
1:15:23 but there’s a lot of stuff that happens after school, robotics,
1:15:26 all of that stuff that those people may need,
1:15:27 those sponsors may need to be a part of, so thank you.
1:15:31 All right, moving on to the next one, which is A453 direct.
1:15:35 Communicable diseases, student services.
1:15:40 - Okay, the last, this policy was revised on, in April 20, 2008,
1:15:47 and we made some slight revisions to the policy back then.
1:15:51 We recommend no changes.
1:15:53 We, it currently reflects the Neola language, the most current.
1:15:58 However, with the administrative procedures, we want to take a
1:16:05 look at that to make sure it’s updated with the most current
1:16:12 procedures and guidelines.
1:16:15 And that’s for the AP for A453.
1:16:17 - Thank you for that.
1:16:18 Any board member wish to speak to this item?
1:16:20 I always enjoyed, as a teacher, taking some of these screens and
1:16:25 signing off that we knew about it and everything else.
1:16:27 It’s part of that thing, so thank you, Ms. Dampierre.
1:16:30 Moving on to A453.01, control of blood-borne pathogens,
1:16:35 facilities to Ms. Hand.
1:16:40 - Yep, we just want to take a look at that with Mr. Ramer.
1:16:42 - Perfect.
1:16:43 Does any board member wish to speak to that item?
1:16:45 Hearing none, moving on, 8462, student abuse and neglect.
1:16:48 That’s Ms. Student Services, Ms. Dampierre.
1:16:51 - The last time this policy was revised was on April 2007.
1:16:57 I recommend that we have staff review it, just to make sure we’re
1:17:02 up to date with Neola language,
1:17:03 as well as the procedures, so we’re going to bring that back.
1:17:06 - Okay.
1:17:07 Any board member wish to speak to the student abuse and neglect?
1:17:11 Hearing none, moving on, 8470, community notification of
1:17:14 registration.
1:17:14 of registered sexual predators/sex offenders, Chief Operating
1:17:18 Officer, Mr. Wilson.
1:17:19 - Yes, this policy was last updated in 2008, as well as the Neola
1:17:25 update.
1:17:26 And we’re going to refer it to staff, because we need to add the
1:17:30 raptor aspect to this language,
1:17:34 which is currently not in there, so we’re going to refer it to
1:17:36 staff and bring it back.
1:17:37 - Okay.
1:17:38 Any board member wish to speak to this item?
1:17:40 - Nope.
1:17:41 - Hearing none, moving on, 8475, criminal background
1:17:44 and employment of non-district personnel.
1:17:47 Chief Operating Officer, Mr. Wilson.
1:17:49 This was updated in 2021.
1:17:51 We reviewed it and the procedure was updated in 23 and we feel
1:17:57 that it is okay as is.
1:18:00 - This one had a July update, so have we checked that?
1:18:04 Because it had a, from Neola.
1:18:08 - We did.
1:18:09 - Okay, so we’re still good?
1:18:11 Okay.
1:18:12 - I have a question about this one, if it’s okay.
1:18:14 So, one of the things, and this gets brought up a couple times,
1:18:17 it’s been brought up a couple
1:18:18 times to me with applicants that have applied for a job and it
1:18:21 asks if you have been arrested
1:18:23 versus if you have been charged.
1:18:25 And so apparently the district’s stance is if you have been
1:18:29 arrested and you, it’s almost as though
1:18:31 you’re convicting the person if they were arrested but not
1:18:33 charged when it comes to employment.
1:18:35 And so, is that something that we should look at changing?
1:18:38 Because, again, you might have somebody who was wrongfully
1:18:41 arrested.
1:18:42 It could be something that is thrown out 100%, they’re not
1:18:46 convicted of it.
1:18:47 And I know I’m going in the weeds right now and I see Major
1:18:50 Klein behind going, “What is
1:18:51 she saying?
1:18:52 What is she doing?”
1:18:53 But it has become a problem a couple times.
1:18:54 People have come to me and said, “I was disqualified because I
1:18:56 was arrested.
1:18:57 I never was charged with it.”
1:18:59 And I’m like, “What?”
1:19:00 Like, how are you-
1:19:01 - I’ve done that for volunteers or for employees?
1:19:02 Because we changed that recently.
1:19:04 - Yeah.
1:19:05 And they can appeal it too.
1:19:06 - Yeah, I just don’t-
1:19:07 - Okay, so don’t-
1:19:08 - Is that the best policy is to leave it like it is?
1:19:10 - Yeah, and there’s-
1:19:11 - Yeah, there’s a whole document too, Ms. Wright.
1:19:14 So, if they say, “Yes, I was arrested,” and then they have to
1:19:17 describe it.
1:19:18 Traditionally, you’d say, you know, “There was no charges
1:19:20 pressed,” or whatever.
1:19:22 But also, it depends on what it was for, if there’s a timeline
1:19:24 for it.
1:19:25 But if it’s-
1:19:26 If they accidentally answer the question wrong and then they get
1:19:28 denied, or they say yes,
1:19:30 and it wasn’t applicable, they have the right to appeal it.
1:19:32 - Okay.
1:19:33 - ‘Cause I think, didn’t we address that recently with the staff
1:19:34 too?
1:19:35 There was like a-
1:19:36 The appeal wasn’t clear.
1:19:37 - Correct.
1:19:38 - Okay.
1:19:39 - Leave it like it is.
1:19:40 All right.
1:19:41 Before we dealt with that situation, correct.
1:19:43 - Okay.
1:19:44 - Just out of curiosity, how many appeals do we see on a regular
1:19:48 basis?
1:19:49 I don’t think we’ve ever seen one.
1:19:51 - Yeah.
1:19:52 - One of the-
1:19:53 - I’ve seen one since I’ve been here.
1:19:54 - And what I would say is, is that to Ms. Megan, Ms. Wright’s
1:19:58 back, is I’m not sure
1:19:59 if the individuals that are applying, they get that rejection,
1:20:03 know that they have the opportunity
1:20:06 to-
1:20:07 - Appeal.
1:20:08 - Appeal that.
1:20:09 I know, but it’s pretty emotional when somebody gets rejected,
1:20:13 you know what I mean?
1:20:13 So I don’t know if that, because that, I’ve received many of
1:20:17 these calls.
1:20:18 I’ve said that you have to go ahead and do that.
1:20:20 And there’s a whole thing where they’re like, yeah, but I just
1:20:23 don’t feel like, I feel like
1:20:24 they feel like it’s a, like they feel dirty.
1:20:26 And they’re like, oh, I don’t want to do-
1:20:27 - Well, it’s embarrassing.
1:20:28 - It is, right.
1:20:29 - I mean, obviously.
1:20:30 - But it’s very confidential.
1:20:31 Those aren’t, those things aren’t up to, those aren’t subject to
1:20:33 public record.
1:20:34 I mean, the people who see them are the people who have to see
1:20:35 them, which basically is district
1:20:37 security.
1:20:38 And it’s my understanding that the flags that come up are the
1:20:40 people who did not report
1:20:42 it, but then those incidents come up on the background check.
1:20:46 So it’s just about reporting it.
1:20:47 So I, though all of that, I feel like we’re, we’re, we’re good.
1:20:51 - Okay.
1:20:52 - I might go look at the-
1:20:53 - If the board feels like that, that’s okay.
1:20:55 Then I say-
1:20:56 - Go ahead, Mr. Trent.
1:20:57 - No.
1:20:58 - Okay.
1:20:59 I think I’m going to go meet with Klein and see if there’s an
1:21:02 opportunity for me to take
1:21:03 a look at that.
1:21:04 - He’s probably going to go, what are you doing?
1:21:06 - There’s some stuff.
1:21:07 So, all right.
1:21:08 Moving on.
1:21:09 8,500 food services.
1:21:10 - Okay.
1:21:11 As is.
1:21:12 And it was updated in 2021.
1:21:14 - Okay.
1:21:15 Any board member wish to speak to the food services?
1:21:20 All right.
1:21:22 8510.
1:21:23 Wellness.
1:21:24 - Okay.
1:21:25 As is.
1:21:26 Last updated 2022.
1:21:27 And there’s a short policy with procedures booked to support the
1:21:30 policy.
1:21:31 - Anybody wish to speak to this?
1:21:34 Hearing none.
1:21:35 Moving on.
1:21:36 8531.
1:21:37 Free and reduced priced meals.
1:21:40 Mr. Wilson.
1:21:41 We feel that no policy is needed.
1:21:42 8,500 covers the national school lunch and breakfast program
1:21:48 with application process addressed.
1:21:50 Okay.
1:21:53 Any board member wish to speak to 8531?
1:21:55 Hearing none.
1:21:56 Moving on.
1:21:57 8540.
1:21:58 Vending machines.
1:21:59 Mr. Wilson.
1:22:00 Okay.
1:22:01 We feel that this BPS policy is not needed.
1:22:04 Student access to vending machines are controlled by FNS with
1:22:07 only these machines being utilized.
1:22:10 How does that, and I know that I did not prepare you for this
1:22:13 question, Mr. Wilson, and you are not sure how I can always come.
1:22:16 That’s why I have Kevin back here with me too.
1:22:18 So we’re good.
1:22:19 The question is, is in the vending machines.
1:22:21 I remember when I first came on as a teacher, we used to have
1:22:24 sole sourced to Pepsi.
1:22:26 We allowed sodas to be sold.
1:22:27 Now we’ve gotten rid of that because of the health issues with
1:22:30 that.
1:22:30 How does the revenue go towards those vending machines?
1:22:33 Does that go back to the school location or does it come back to
1:22:35 the district?
1:22:36 And how does that work?
1:22:37 It’s a pass through to me, back to the school.
1:22:40 So everything goes right back.
1:22:42 Is that vending machines set up on a contract to a vending
1:22:53 machine services that we, like, look at every year?
1:22:56 Or is, how does that work?
1:22:57 It’s a three year contract with two renewals.
1:22:59 We’re in the last of the renewals right now.
1:23:02 Okay.
1:23:03 If somebody comes forward, says we have all of these and we can
1:23:06 offer this and stuff like that.
1:23:08 So it’s only healthy snacks.
1:23:10 Yup.
1:23:11 So it meets the criteria for food being available on campus
1:23:14 throughout the school day.
1:23:15 Okay.
1:23:16 So it is very specific.
1:23:18 There’s also lines in there.
1:23:19 They’re not putting in the right item.
1:23:21 Okay.
1:23:22 And we monitor that very frequently.
1:23:24 I wanted to say thank you for your efforts in this regard to
1:23:27 move us to more healthy, you know what I mean, food options.
1:23:31 The real chicken that we have inside of our schools now is a
1:23:34 real good one.
1:23:35 As opposed to.
1:23:36 Well, they used to have a, it was a little bit different.
1:23:39 You don’t want to answer that?
1:23:41 It was real chicken.
1:23:43 Yeah.
1:23:44 So funny story.
1:23:45 So I do a lot of stuff with the Temple Terrace Boys and Girls
1:23:49 Club and the kids came forward
1:23:50 and they said, Mr. Susan, we want real chicken inside of our
1:23:52 schools, right?
1:23:53 And what they meant was bone in and stuff like that so they
1:23:55 could see it.
1:23:56 And so then I brought it up to Mr. Wilson and Mr. Wilson said,
1:24:00 it’s funny you say that because we’re moving forward in one
1:24:02 month to doing that.
1:24:03 So then I went back and I said, hey guys, this is going to
1:24:05 change.
1:24:05 So Temple Terrace Boys and Girls Club thinks that they made this
1:24:08 change to real chicken for the whole district.
1:24:09 But I did want to say thank you for all of your work.
1:24:11 Thank you for your thing.
1:24:13 It was funny, real chicken.
1:24:14 I actually have that in a frame at my house.
1:24:16 It talks about that real chicken.
1:24:17 It was funny.
1:24:18 All right.
1:24:19 Moving on.
1:24:20 8540.
1:24:21 I don’t hear anybody wanting to speak on that.
1:24:23 8550 competitive food sales.
1:24:25 Mr. Wilson.
1:24:26 No BPS policy needed.
1:24:28 This policy is embedded in 8500 number two.
1:24:33 Okay.
1:24:34 So your argument is that we don’t need this.
1:24:38 Correct.
1:24:39 Okay.
1:24:40 Any board member wish to speak to this?
1:24:41 All right.
1:24:42 Moving on.
1:24:43 8600 transportation.
1:24:44 Mr. Wilson.
1:24:45 Refer to staff.
1:24:47 We need to update this policy to reflect the camera information
1:24:52 that we’re getting ready to put on the stop arms.
1:24:56 So it currently does not reflect that.
1:24:58 So we’re going to refer that to staff.
1:25:00 And we just did this one.
1:25:01 Correct.
1:25:02 You’re not done until you’re done with it, right?
1:25:07 All right.
1:25:08 Let me ask you.
1:25:09 Okay.
1:25:10 Any board member wish to speak to this?
1:25:11 No.
1:25:12 I have something that’s on me.
1:25:13 Let’s see.
1:25:14 It’s more about the administrative procedure.
1:25:16 So board, I would like us to look at this and I think we
1:25:22 probably need to give direction.
1:25:26 The school district fee-based transportation service.
1:25:29 What happens at the beginning of the school year is a lot of
1:25:31 times you’ll have someone who’s looking to possibly switch their
1:25:35 bus routes or maybe even inquiring to say, hey, I know I’m
1:25:40 inside that two miles, but I’m willing to pay that fee.
1:25:42 Can you put me on this bus?
1:25:44 But the administrative procedure says that no fee-based
1:25:46 transportation will be allowed during the first 15 days of
1:25:49 school.
1:25:49 And I get, you know, I sat down with Mr. Miller and we discussed
1:25:53 this in order to ensure that our buses have capacity
1:25:56 availability for students that might be moving around or coming
1:25:59 into the district.
1:26:00 So one of the things that we kind of discussed and thought would
1:26:03 be a good idea is if we just added four buses that are at 95%
1:26:07 capacity.
1:26:08 It would allow them to be able to move somebody into a fee-based
1:26:11 option.
1:26:12 That way that their family doesn’t have to take them to school
1:26:14 and pick them up for the first two weeks.
1:26:16 It gives us the ability to do that.
1:26:18 Most of our buses aren’t, well, I shouldn’t say that, but we’re
1:26:21 going to get to a place where these buses are not operating at
1:26:24 95% capacity.
1:26:25 Some of them have been over 95% capacity, but it was just a
1:26:27 recommendation that I thought would be good.
1:26:29 Just to clarify, you’re talking about 8610.01, correct?
1:26:33 I am.
1:26:34 Okay, okay.
1:26:35 We’re not there yet, but I just wanted to make sure I’m like,
1:26:36 okay.
1:26:36 I jumped ahead, sorry.
1:26:37 Because I was like, I don’t see that in here.
1:26:39 Yeah, Ms. Wright, I really like that.
1:26:42 That has been a major, major complaint from people when, you
1:26:46 know, they got to figure out the first two weeks of school how
1:26:49 to get their kids going.
1:26:50 Or make them walk a really unsafe route that necessarily they
1:26:54 shouldn’t be walking.
1:26:56 I’m sorry, I totally jumped right ahead and I did not.
1:26:58 But you know, it’s because we don’t have a policy for 8610.01.
1:27:01 We have an administrative procedure without a policy.
1:27:03 Right.
1:27:04 All right, sorry, we’ll go back.
1:27:08 I saw 8600 and I was like ready.
1:27:11 Yeah, yeah.
1:27:12 I wonder why we would number the administrative, because that’s
1:27:16 a transportation administrative procedure.
1:27:17 I wonder why we would number it.
1:27:19 It seems like it should be maybe a policy.
1:27:20 I don’t know.
1:27:21 Yeah, can we just, while we do that, can we, because that way
1:27:24 people are looking, you know, I know when I go look for an
1:27:26 administrative procedure, I want it to be the same number.
1:27:27 Can we fix that while we’re looking at that?
1:27:29 Yeah.
1:27:30 Okay, so sorry.
1:27:31 We’ll get back on track and then I’ll say.
1:27:33 And that’s duly noted.
1:27:34 We discussed that.
1:27:35 We did.
1:27:36 All right.
1:27:37 So it does fit with this one because it’s a transportation.
1:27:41 It’s a transportation.
1:27:42 Yeah.
1:27:43 So it’s, I guess, let’s go through, I guess, the first 8600.
1:27:47 Yep.
1:27:48 Anybody else wish to speak to this policy?
1:27:50 Mr. Wilson, I have a quick question for you.
1:27:53 We have those outside of the, since we’re kind of on the related
1:27:57 here and I’m not sure if it fits into here, but we have third
1:28:00 party vendors for our buses, right?
1:28:02 And those third party vendors that are for our buses, we have
1:28:07 like requirements for those individuals.
1:28:11 And there’s been a couple of calls that I’ve received over
1:28:14 creating some standards wrapped around when we have those third
1:28:18 party buses that we use through a vendor that they have a
1:28:21 certain set of standards like three point harnesses.
1:28:24 You know what I mean, aged fleet and all that other stuff.
1:28:27 If it’s not appropriate here, I may want to engage with you as
1:28:30 far as maybe possibly bringing it back somewhere.
1:28:33 If it doesn’t already exist, like, you know, requirements on
1:28:36 insurance and all those other things, just making sure that
1:28:39 those things are in there.
1:28:40 Is that, we’re good on that?
1:28:42 We can, we can review it.
1:28:43 Perfect.
1:28:44 I’ll review it and then we can bring it back to the board.
1:28:45 All right.
1:28:46 Anybody else have any other questions to 8600?
1:28:49 Hearing none.
1:28:51 We’re going to move on to 8600.04 bus certification.
1:28:56 Does anybody have any questions to that?
1:28:58 Mr. Wilson.
1:28:59 Last updated, 2002, okay as is.
1:29:05 No newer Leola language updated.
1:29:07 Oh, wait, but there, I think someone must have copy pasted wrong
1:29:11 because there’s actually quite a lot on this one.
1:29:13 Yeah.
1:29:14 We have like three paragraphs and they’ve got three pages, four,
1:29:18 five, four pages.
1:29:20 Because I’m seeing a 2019 update.
1:29:24 So can we, can we take that back?
1:29:26 We didn’t see that one.
1:29:27 Yeah.
1:29:29 It’s just an attachment to an email.
1:29:31 It’s not on the, sorry, I’m trying to.
1:29:33 No, no, it should be on the regular, just, it was right under
1:29:36 transportation, right under 8600.
1:29:38 8600.
1:29:41 8600.04, right?
1:29:44 Yep.
1:29:46 Okay, sorry.
1:29:47 And if we have it somewhere else, that’s fine, but there’s a lot
1:29:50 on here about.
1:29:51 You know what, Ms. Campbell, you’re correct.
1:29:53 I’m going to spell Bay as a refer to staff.
1:29:55 Okay.
1:29:56 You’re 100% correct.
1:29:57 Yep.
1:29:59 Thank you, Ms. Campbell for catching that.
1:30:01 Yep.
1:30:02 All right.
1:30:03 Anybody else wish to speak to that item?
1:30:05 Hearing none, moving on.
1:30:06 8604, student or school bus driver working hours, safety
1:30:11 procedures.
1:30:12 Mr. Wilson.
1:30:13 Okay, as is.
1:30:14 Okay.
1:30:15 Which one is that?
1:30:16 8604.
1:30:18 Yes, sir.
1:30:19 We have as, 8604, okay as is.
1:30:24 Okay.
1:30:25 No, it doesn’t have one.
1:30:26 Mm-hmm.
1:30:27 We currently have a BPS policy.
1:30:29 Correct.
1:30:30 It’s just that we don’t have a Neola update.
1:30:32 Correct.
1:30:33 So you’re okay with saying that it’s okay?
1:30:34 Mm-hmm.
1:30:35 Anybody wish to speak to that?
1:30:36 Hearing none, moving on.
1:30:37 8605, school bus safety procedures.
1:30:40 Mr. Wilson.
1:30:41 Okay, as is.
1:30:43 Recommendation is to keep 8605 as it stands.
1:30:47 Anybody wish to speak to that item?
1:30:49 Hearing none, moving on.
1:30:50 I’m looking at me, Mr. Susan.
1:30:51 I’m looking over at, I’m actually looking at him, then I look
1:30:54 down this way and then I go.
1:30:56 So 8606, school bus driver, cellular phone use.
1:31:00 Mr. Wilson.
1:31:01 Okay, as is.
1:31:03 Last updated, 09 and no new Neola language.
1:31:07 Ms. Campbell.
1:31:08 I.
1:31:09 Ms. Campbell.
1:31:10 Yeah, I think this one, I mean, we may not need it, but this one
1:31:14 Neola updated in 2013,
1:31:15 and I, again, maybe just a copy-paste thing, but there, I didn’t,
1:31:21 there’s a few things in
1:31:23 there that are different.
1:31:25 Nothing huge.
1:31:26 Nothing major.
1:31:27 So that’s why we decided to keep it.
1:31:29 Okay, okay.
1:31:30 Are you, are you requesting that we possibly take the most
1:31:34 updated one from Neola?
1:31:36 Because I’m okay with that to just be safe?
1:31:39 Can you just take one more look at it?
1:31:41 Yeah, absolutely.
1:31:42 Take a look at it.
1:31:43 Yep, absolutely.
1:31:44 We appreciate that.
1:31:45 I can see where she’s coming from on that one.
1:31:46 Yep.
1:31:47 All right.
1:31:48 Hearing any other conversation?
1:31:49 All right.
1:31:50 8610, transportation route planning.
1:31:52 Mr. Wilson.
1:31:53 Give me one second, make my notes here.
1:32:03 8610, that’s a refer to staff.
1:32:05 Okay.
1:32:06 Anybody wish to speak to 8610?
1:32:08 Hearing none, moving on.
1:32:10 8625, ban on texting while driving.
1:32:14 Can we, what’s going on by 8610?
1:32:17 25.
1:32:18 Well, can we go back to the 8610.01, the administrative
1:32:22 procedure?
1:32:22 Is this something that we should look at implementing into
1:32:24 policy rather than administrative procedure?
1:32:27 So the parents can see it?
1:32:29 Mm-hmm.
1:32:30 Okay.
1:32:31 What is the thought?
1:32:32 Oh, that was the fee-based.
1:32:33 I think that’s the one we talked about being under the 8610.
1:32:36 Right, right.
1:32:37 The one I was talking about.
1:32:38 I agree.
1:32:39 I think if they’re going to do it, it should be in the policy.
1:32:41 Where parents are going to find it.
1:32:43 Right, right.
1:32:44 Okay.
1:32:45 Dr. Miller, is there any, can I ask you, is there any hesitancy
1:32:50 for you as far as this
1:32:51 being converted from administrative procedure over to policy?
1:32:54 No?
1:32:55 Okay.
1:32:56 And –
1:32:57 Oh, wait, wait, wait.
1:32:58 I didn’t realize you were wanting to make it policy.
1:33:00 It would be the creation of this into policy rather than
1:33:04 procedure.
1:33:05 Okay.
1:33:06 Well, because some of that is, I mean, it is a procedure.
1:33:10 It’s like, here’s how you’re going to just, here’s how you’re
1:33:12 going to charge them and all
1:33:13 that.
1:33:14 So I didn’t realize that’s what you’re asking.
1:33:15 You wanted to make it a policy.
1:33:16 I’m sorry.
1:33:17 I thought we were talking about the clause with the 95%.
1:33:20 Right.
1:33:21 Yeah.
1:33:22 So, well, that’s, I guess it’s two things I’m asking.
1:33:24 So one, do we want to make this policy versus procedure?
1:33:29 And then two, are, is the board okay with us adding that clause
1:33:32 for buses at 95% capacity,
1:33:34 which should fall under the last sentence of the first paragraph
1:33:37 for the fee-based transportation
1:33:39 program?
1:33:40 Can they bring that back to us?
1:33:43 As far as policy versus administrative procedure, I think it
1:33:45 doesn’t matter.
1:33:46 Ah, sorry.
1:33:47 It just depends on what is it, what is its function.
1:33:51 But, and we can, you know, we’ve asked them to bring us updated
1:33:56 administrative procedures
1:33:58 from now on.
1:33:59 Just going to let us, you know, get eyes on those.
1:34:01 So I don’t know that I can tell you right this second what I
1:34:05 think.
1:34:06 Okay.
1:34:07 I want to take a look at that.
1:34:08 Okay.
1:34:10 So then we need to discuss further.
1:34:11 This is 8610 we’re referring to, correct?
1:34:12 Right.
1:34:13 0.01.
1:34:14 The.
1:34:15 0.01.
1:34:16 Okay.
1:34:17 The administrative procedure, not the policy.
1:34:18 Okay.
1:34:19 The letters in the policy, so.
1:34:20 Regardless of where it goes, I do agree though that the caveat
1:34:24 about the 95% should be in
1:34:26 the policy just because I do believe that that’s where our
1:34:28 parent’s going to go to see that
1:34:30 information if they’re even going to seek it out, or it’s just
1:34:32 easier for us to refer
1:34:34 to.
1:34:35 So I think that’s important to have it out there.
1:34:36 Well, the other thing, and I, you know, I’m going to fill this
1:34:38 out there.
1:34:38 And again, this will be a discussion to maybe have and look
1:34:41 further into, and I can pass
1:34:42 along the information that I’ve received.
1:34:43 But the fee-based student transportation, I, I really would love
1:34:48 to see the district not
1:34:50 charging families.
1:34:51 Because most of the time what you find is you have a family that’s
1:34:54 1.75 miles from the school,
1:34:56 but their child has to cross a major highway.
1:34:58 And so it’s very dangerous.
1:34:59 They don’t want them to walk.
1:35:00 And so now we’re given the fee-based option to, Hey, well, you
1:35:04 can ride the bus.
1:35:04 Even though your next door neighbor.
1:35:06 That shouldn’t be fee-based, right?
1:35:08 Because we have, there’s exceptions for, I’ll, you know, example.
1:35:11 It’s hazardous.
1:35:12 It’s statutory.
1:35:13 It’s hazardous walking ways.
1:35:14 If they, for example, on, in West Melbourne and on Milwaukee, I
1:35:18 know you guys aren’t familiar
1:35:19 with the street, but I just had this, we just had this situation
1:35:22 where there’s a road that
1:35:23 has absolutely no sidewalks.
1:35:25 It’s a very busy road.
1:35:26 It comes up to Minton and their students technically are within
1:35:29 the two mile radius of Meadow Lane,
1:35:31 but they’ve always been able to ride the bus because there is no
1:35:34 walkway without being on the street
1:35:36 of a very busy road.
1:35:37 So they fall under that hazardous.
1:35:39 So it’s a situation where they have to just go out and look at
1:35:42 it and see if, you know,
1:35:44 if there’s no crossing guards and they’re on, you know, like
1:35:46 they’re walking along the side of a busy road,
1:35:48 that kind of thing.
1:35:49 They, they, those exceptions should not be fee-based.
1:35:52 If I can speak to that real quick.
1:35:53 So what I think you’re, there is statutory law that says that if
1:35:57 it, if it falls under certain criteria,
1:35:59 that it’s considered hazardous, I utilize that in getting some
1:36:03 of the Manatee parents,
1:36:04 because of the diamond intersection that was over here in Vieira.
1:36:09 So I think that the argument is, is that we should actually make
1:36:14 that hazardous part of the policy
1:36:15 so that the parents understand that they can apply to the
1:36:17 hazardous component.
1:36:18 Does that make sense to you?
1:36:19 That’s, yeah.
1:36:20 That would make sense.
1:36:21 But I don’t want to do that unless Mr. Miller is comfortable
1:36:24 with allowing,
1:36:25 are you okay with that?
1:36:26 Okay.
1:36:27 So I, I think that that would assist so that people know that
1:36:30 they can apply for hazardous
1:36:32 and what the criteria for that is.
1:36:34 Yeah.
1:36:36 And that hazardous part is already in 8600.
1:36:39 And maybe it needs to be clearer.
1:36:41 Okay.
1:36:42 Well, and I guess where I was just going with this is that, I
1:36:45 mean, we looked at,
1:36:45 sorry, I know I’m going to beat this one a little bit, but last
1:36:48 year there was 216 students that paid for fee-based writing.
1:36:54 Just to put it in context of how many students we’re talking
1:36:56 about.
1:36:57 And again, I think what you’re going to find is majority of
1:36:59 these students are at that really close to the two mile.
1:37:01 They’re just not quite there.
1:37:03 And parents are working and they can’t take them to and from
1:37:05 school.
1:37:06 And so you’re either asking, cause I think where the major
1:37:09 concern I had one this year was, hey, they had to cross a major
1:37:12 highway.
1:37:13 And yes, there’s lights and there’s sidewalks.
1:37:15 But I mean, if you’re talking about an eight year old or a 10
1:37:18 year old to cross a major highway, cause it’s within two miles,
1:37:21 then you know, that’s still very dangerous.
1:37:24 And I wouldn’t send my, I wouldn’t even send my 12 year old to
1:37:27 go and do that by themselves.
1:37:29 So just again, something that maybe we look at, can, can the
1:37:32 board take the initiative of, is this something that we could
1:37:35 possibly take on so that we’re not burdening a family with
1:37:38 several hundreds of dollars in transportation fees when they’re
1:37:43 right on that cusp.
1:37:44 And a lot of times, again, you’ll see that same street, you’ll
1:37:47 have a kid that’s six houses down that can ride the bus, but
1:37:49 this one can’t.
1:37:50 And so you know how maddening that would be from a parent’s
1:37:51 perspective.
1:37:52 Yeah, I understand.
1:37:54 And I, I, I, what I would like to see us is get out from a
1:37:57 drowning position with transportation and we’re almost there.
1:38:00 But if that’s something they feel like they can take on, you
1:38:03 know, once we get.
1:38:04 Well, it would, it would require us to take the initiative of,
1:38:07 of potentially adding additional funding there to cover those 216
1:38:11 students is what it would be.
1:38:12 Can I provide a potential solution?
1:38:15 Um, and I don’t, I don’t know the answer to this.
1:38:17 So if a family calls and they say, you know, I, I want to put my
1:38:22 child on this bus, the fee based thing.
1:38:23 Are they routinely asked?
1:38:25 Is it hazardous or is there potential danger?
1:38:28 Is that question posed in any way?
1:38:30 Or do they fill out a form that has to ask that question?
1:38:33 Okay.
1:38:34 Is that question on there?
1:38:35 So, I mean, maybe we could look at doing something like that.
1:38:39 So that way it kind of flags the district to know that there may
1:38:43 be something that they need to take a look at.
1:38:45 And then it’s not in the burden of the parent to identify
1:38:48 whether or not that fee should be forgiven.
1:38:51 That might be a, that might be a compromise of some sort.
1:38:54 I will tell you that I think it was Pasco, um, had a, they had
1:38:57 for, I don’t know how long they had it.
1:38:59 They had a place where they had moved their, the two mile
1:39:01 statutory requirement down to one and a half miles to, to
1:39:05 provide that.
1:39:06 But they just had to undo that because of the situation, they
1:39:09 found themselves in the same situation we were in.
1:39:11 So, um, you know, it’s something depending on budgetary restraints,
1:39:16 constraints, you know, depending on transportation, you know, uh,
1:39:19 hiring restraints, whatever it may be.
1:39:21 Um, we might need to remain nimble in that area just cause we
1:39:25 don’t know what will come up in the future.
1:39:28 Okay.
1:39:29 I think we, but, um, so Ms. Wright, you said you, I’m assuming
1:39:32 you got the number from transportation.
1:39:34 It was 200 something.
1:39:36 Um, so it is a really low number.
1:39:37 So if we just add that question, at least we know we can capture
1:39:40 some of those families maybe that aren’t, aren’t saying it
1:39:43 themselves cause they don’t know that it’s an option to say.
1:39:45 And it kind of relieves some of the burden from some of those
1:39:47 families at least.
1:39:48 I mean, it’s a simple, a simple addition to relieve some of the
1:39:50 burden.
1:39:51 Yeah.
1:39:52 Okay.
1:39:53 Do you have anything you want to add?
1:39:54 Sorry, I know you did this number, which usually means you want
1:39:56 to talk.
1:39:56 No, it is good to have this.
1:40:01 I mean, I had a situation in endeavor, uh, at the end of last
1:40:05 year that a group of students, um, but they were just not coming
1:40:10 to school.
1:40:11 Um, it was because they had to cross the, uh, the, uh, the busy
1:40:15 intersection there.
1:40:16 And, uh, they were trying to come up with ideas and ways to, to,
1:40:20 to go get those students and bring them.
1:40:22 Um, and it was the parents that worked that just said, we’re not,
1:40:26 it’s safer for the kids to just stay here.
1:40:28 So anything we can do to expand that or have that for the
1:40:31 hazardous.
1:40:32 That, that just, just throwing this out there because we, we
1:40:36 might come into situations because we actually have some schools
1:40:39 that have no buses.
1:40:39 And I think it never is one of those, right?
1:40:41 No, they have buses.
1:40:42 They do have buses.
1:40:43 They have buses.
1:40:46 Surfside has no buses.
1:40:47 Okay.
1:40:48 Would we be creating something where all of a sudden now we have
1:40:52 to provide service buses in schools that we’ve not had to before
1:40:55 because of where we set that number.
1:40:57 So that, that’s another thing I want them to take, I would want
1:41:00 them to take a look at before we commit to making any other
1:41:02 changes.
1:41:03 So, so Dr. Miller, will you, I think I’m on here.
1:41:07 Will you do me a favor and just look at, I mean, we can even sit
1:41:09 down if you guys want to, I don’t know.
1:41:10 I’ve sat down with the transportation’s kind of been my baby a
1:41:12 little bit this year.
1:41:13 So if there’s ways that we can improve this process and make it
1:41:16 more user friendly for our families and make sure our children
1:41:18 aren’t crossing major highways, whatever we can do there, I
1:41:21 would love.
1:41:22 And I think adding Ms. Jenkins suggestion to add that box.
1:41:25 And it’s just something very simple to check off that the family
1:41:28 feels like there is something that is dangerous.
1:41:30 Then that can be a triggering point for us to look at.
1:41:32 Yeah.
1:41:33 And of course, like the district would have to assess it, right?
1:41:35 Right.
1:41:37 Yeah.
1:41:38 It doesn’t just mean that the .
1:41:39 I wanted to make that clear.
1:41:40 Yeah.
1:41:41 No.
1:41:42 Okay.
1:41:43 Sorry, I know I jumped ahead there.
1:41:46 Where are we?
1:41:47 We’re on 8625.
1:41:48 We are.
1:41:49 We are on 8625.
1:41:51 Ban on texting while driving.
1:41:53 8625, refer to staff.
1:41:56 There’s currently no BPS policy and we’re going to probably
1:42:01 adopt the NEOLA policy, but we want to review it first.
1:42:05 Okay.
1:42:06 All right.
1:42:08 8640.
1:42:09 Correct.
1:42:10 Transportation for field and other district sponsored trips.
1:42:11 Last updated 2010.
1:42:12 No NEOLA update and okay as is.
1:42:12 Let me look at this one.
1:42:13 Give me one second.
1:42:14 The hours is a lot longer than.
1:42:15 Well.
1:42:16 Which one is that?
1:42:17 8640.
1:42:18 Yeah.
1:42:19 The what?
1:42:21 Yeah.
1:42:23 They did.
1:42:24 So that’s, he said refer to staff.
1:42:25 Sorry.
1:42:26 Yes.
1:42:27 I’m filling him in and something a positive.
1:42:28 I want to make sure you do it.
1:42:29 Yep.
1:42:31 Okay.
1:42:37 Let me look at this one.
1:42:38 Give me one second.
1:42:39 Yeah.
1:42:40 Ours is a lot longer than.
1:42:41 Well.
1:42:42 Which one is that?
1:42:43 20.
1:42:44 8640.
1:42:46 Yeah.
1:42:47 The what?
1:42:49 Yeah.
1:42:51 They did.
1:42:52 So that’s, he said refer to staff.
1:42:53 Sorry.
1:42:54 I’m filling him in.
1:42:55 So you want to keep 8640 as is?
1:42:58 Is that correct?
1:42:59 Sorry.
1:43:00 Correct.
1:43:01 All right.
1:43:05 You’re on the next one.
1:43:06 Any board member wish to speak to 8640?
1:43:09 Hearing none.
1:43:10 Moving on to 8645.
1:43:11 Use of school buses.
1:43:12 Mr. Wilson.
1:43:14 Refer to staff.
1:43:15 There’s currently no BPS policy.
1:43:17 Okay.
1:43:18 And we’re going to review the Neola policy.
1:43:21 Any board member wish to speak to this?
1:43:24 Have we ever done?
1:43:25 There’s a section on allowing other entities to use our buses.
1:43:29 Have we ever done that?
1:43:30 Not to my knowledge.
1:43:31 No.
1:43:32 I would not.
1:43:33 Yeah.
1:43:34 I mean, we’re busy enough.
1:43:35 We’re not sharing.
1:43:36 I don’t think we have any extras as Mr. Jenkins spoke to.
1:43:48 All right.
1:43:50 Moving on to employee transportation.
1:43:51 8651.
1:43:52 Mr. Wilson.
1:43:53 Okay.
1:43:54 Last updated 02.
1:43:55 Admin procedure update 06.
1:43:56 No newer update from Neola.
1:43:57 So we’re going to keep as is.
1:43:58 Okay.
1:43:59 This is one that Neola had one in 2010.
1:44:00 So I don’t know if we need it, but.
1:44:01 We looked at it and.
1:44:02 Oh, you know what?
1:44:03 This is completely different.
1:44:04 Yeah, it’s different.
1:44:05 Our 8651 is employee transportation.
1:44:06 Yeah.
1:44:07 Neola’s is board owned vehicles.
1:44:08 Board owned vehicles.
1:44:09 We looked at it and.
1:44:10 Oh, you know what?
1:44:11 This is completely different.
1:44:12 Yeah, it’s different.
1:44:13 Our 8651 is employee transportation.
1:44:14 Yeah.
1:44:15 Neola’s is board owned vehicles.
1:44:16 Board owned vehicles.
1:44:17 So we looked at it yesterday.
1:44:18 So we don’t need.
1:44:19 You don’t think we need that.
1:44:20 Correct.
1:44:21 Because like they’re not even the same.
1:44:22 They’re not.
1:44:23 So then we’re going to repeal employee transportation.
1:44:24 Is that what you’re saying?
1:44:25 Sorry.
1:44:26 I’m trying to understand.
1:44:27 No, no, no, no, no.
1:44:28 We don’t.
1:44:29 I guess we’re going to repeal employee transportation.
1:44:30 Is that what you’re saying?
1:44:31 Sorry.
1:44:32 I’m trying to understand.
1:44:33 I’m sorry.
1:44:34 I’m trying to understand.
1:44:35 No, no, no, no.
1:44:36 We don’t.
1:44:37 I guess.
1:44:38 I’m here.
1:44:39 We live like 8651, which is employee transportation.
1:44:40 And we don’t need Neola’s board owned vehicles.
1:44:43 Right.
1:44:44 So the idea is to keep it the same.
1:44:48 Anybody wish to speak on this item?
1:44:49 Hearing none.
1:44:50 We’re moving on.
1:44:51 Sorry.
1:44:52 Give me a second.
1:44:53 I do think we need to have a policy for board owned vehicles.
1:44:55 So I’m looking to see if we have that somewhere else.
1:44:59 Maybe it’s.
1:45:00 8651 is employee transportation.
1:45:02 Correct?
1:45:03 Right.
1:45:05 We don’t.
1:45:06 I don’t, I don’t recall seeing this.
1:45:07 So.
1:45:08 We have a.
1:45:09 What?
1:45:11 No, we don’t.
1:45:12 I think we need to have a policy for our board owned vehicles.
1:45:19 And what are you saying?
1:45:21 Like the white fleet.
1:45:22 The, well, yeah.
1:45:23 I mean that we have more than just.
1:45:25 What does that mean?
1:45:26 There’s an admin policy.
1:45:27 Procedure, excuse me.
1:45:28 Procedure.
1:45:29 Mm-hmm.
1:45:30 Procedure, excuse me.
1:45:31 Procedure.
1:45:32 Mm-hmm.
1:45:33 Oh, yeah.
1:45:34 8651.
1:45:35 Okay.
1:45:36 So this is one of those things, a school district employee
1:45:38 assigned vehicles.
1:45:40 Oh, well.
1:45:41 All right.
1:45:42 This should say board, school district, not school board.
1:45:45 They’re not using that one.
1:45:46 Right.
1:45:47 School district.
1:45:48 So that’s what I would say.
1:45:49 Well, they are technically.
1:45:50 Yeah, but no, we don’t own them.
1:45:51 Like there is no board that owns them.
1:45:53 The school district owns them.
1:45:54 The school district of Brevard County, not the school board of
1:45:57 Brevard County.
1:45:58 Okay.
1:45:59 It’s weird because it is a board owned vehicle, which.
1:46:01 Right.
1:46:02 It’s kind of misleading there.
1:46:03 That’s okay.
1:46:04 That’s something.
1:46:05 I believe this should be policy, not necessarily administrative
1:46:08 procedure, but that’s my personal
1:46:10 preference.
1:46:11 Board, what is yours?
1:46:12 Can we just take a look at it?
1:46:14 So it sounds like we need to keep 8651, our 8651, which is
1:46:19 employee transportation.
1:46:21 But can you guys, so you’re asking, can we take a look at NEOLA’s
1:46:24 8651, which is a
1:46:26 board owned vehicles policy, which looks like it aligns with
1:46:29 administrative procedure 8651.
1:46:32 But can we just make sure there’s nothing missing in there that.
1:46:37 And just for transparency, what’s the district other than board?
1:46:40 Well, I.
1:46:41 We’ll take a look at it.
1:46:42 I mean.
1:46:43 For purposes, the school board owns them.
1:46:44 I was going to say.
1:46:45 The legal entity is the school board of Brevard County.
1:46:48 Right.
1:46:49 Yeah.
1:46:50 Everything is board owned.
1:46:51 This employee transportation seems to mimic a little bit of this
1:46:54 board owned vehicles.
1:46:56 It’s kind of a cross between them, so I think we need to.
1:46:59 So do we want to make it a policy, a separate policy, or?
1:47:04 Or.
1:47:05 What are we asking?
1:47:06 Blend them.
1:47:07 I think we need to blend them, honestly.
1:47:12 The only thing is, like this, the NEOLA one that’s board owned
1:47:16 vehicles, you know,
1:47:17 it is, like ours also talks about.
1:47:19 Right.
1:47:20 Volunteers being able to ride.
1:47:22 School buses.
1:47:23 Right.
1:47:24 So they might be separate.
1:47:25 So we might need two different.
1:47:26 Yes.
1:47:27 We might need two different ones.
1:47:29 I’m going to let them take a look and see if there’s any
1:47:38 crossover.
1:47:40 Yeah.
1:47:41 All right.
1:47:42 Mr. Wilson, you get it, right?
1:47:43 Yep.
1:47:44 Okay.
1:47:45 Moving on.
1:47:46 We have 8660 transportation by private vehicle.
1:47:49 Mr. Wilson.
1:47:50 We’re going to refer this to staff.
1:47:52 Thank you.
1:47:53 Any board member wish to speak to this?
1:47:55 Hearing none.
1:47:56 Moving on to 8700 anti-fraud.
1:47:58 Mr. Wilson.
1:47:59 That’s not me.
1:48:00 That’s CFO.
1:48:01 Ms. Cindy.
1:48:02 There it is.
1:48:03 Sorry.
1:48:06 Okay.
1:48:07 So I apologize.
1:48:08 8700, which is the anti-fraud policy.
1:48:10 It’s both BPS and it has an EOLA update.
1:48:13 What would you wish to have happen?
1:48:17 Yeah.
1:48:18 I would like to have staff review this.
1:48:21 I’m very interested in looking at all the internal controls and
1:48:26 this just seems to have
1:48:27 so much in it that I really want to take a look and make sure
1:48:32 that we’re covering what we need
1:48:34 and maybe this covers some other areas with property and some of
1:48:39 the other areas with internal controls.
1:48:41 But I just want to make sure that it’s well done.
1:48:46 Okay.
1:48:47 Does any board wish to speak to the anti-fraud policy?
1:48:50 Hearing none.
1:48:51 Moving on.
1:48:52 8710.
1:48:53 Insurance.
1:48:54 Ms. Wisinski.
1:48:57 Yes.
1:48:58 That one was updated in December 21 and we don’t have any
1:49:02 recommendations for any changes.
1:49:06 Okay.
1:49:07 Does any board member wish to speak to this?
1:49:09 Hearing none.
1:49:10 Moving on to 8740 bonding.
1:49:13 Yes.
1:49:14 We reviewed that and we don’t see any changes in NEOLA or need
1:49:18 for any changes.
1:49:20 Okay.
1:49:21 Next.
1:49:22 Any board member wish to speak to 8740?
1:49:23 Hearing none.
1:49:24 Moving on to 8760 student accident insurance.
1:49:25 Again, that’s one that we don’t, we reviewed and no need for
1:49:26 changes.
1:49:26 Any board member wish to speak to this?
1:49:27 Hearing none.
1:49:32 Moving on.
1:49:33 8770 joint self-insurance pool.
1:49:35 Right.
1:49:36 Ms. Wisinski.
1:49:37 This one does not have a NEOLA policy.
1:49:41 Or wait, yes it does.
1:49:42 But we don’t have this policy because it doesn’t have a NEOLA
1:49:44 policy.
1:49:45 Yes it does.
1:49:46 But we don’t have this policy because it doesn’t have a NEOLA
1:49:50 policy.
1:49:51 Okay.
1:49:53 Currently.
1:49:54 Maybe in the future we might look at something like that, but we
1:49:55 don’t have a policy.
1:49:55 I mean, we don’t pool with other organizations right now.
1:49:56 Right.
1:49:57 So I wanted to tell you that this is a good opportunity for us
1:49:59 in the future to take a look
1:50:14 at.
1:50:15 And even Paul and I were talking about it.
1:50:17 There’s a break point of like 8,000 or 10,000 employees where
1:50:21 the cost is not going to change
1:50:23 for the entity.
1:50:24 But if we were to pool with the smaller cities and
1:50:27 municipalities inside of Brevard County,
1:50:30 we would give them rates that would increase or decrease their
1:50:33 cost of healthcare.
1:50:34 So for instance, right now, say for instance, Coco has, I don’t
1:50:38 know, 700 employees.
1:50:40 They have to go out to a self-insured model.
1:50:42 And what they do is they go to the market with 700 employees.
1:50:45 You can create a self-insured risk pool where we and Coco join
1:50:49 together.
1:50:50 They control all of their own deductibles, all of their own
1:50:52 thing, but their pricing model
1:50:53 matches ours.
1:50:54 So it’s more of a discussion and something that I might bring to
1:50:57 you guys a little bit
1:50:58 later on.
1:50:59 But it happens across the state.
1:51:01 Like this is a regular thing.
1:51:02 They will not tied to each other for any entity, but it allows
1:51:06 the entities to enter
1:51:08 into a risk pool together.
1:51:09 Meaning that the cost of what they pay for the procedures is
1:51:12 reduced for the smaller of the
1:51:15 two.
1:51:16 And there’s a price point that always varies between eight and
1:51:18 11,000 people.
1:51:20 That is where that break point doesn’t matter.
1:51:22 So like we may be above that point to where we’re not going to
1:51:25 receive any better benefits,
1:51:26 but it’s an opportunity to assist many of our other locations.
1:51:29 And it’s something that I think I’m going to bring to the table.
1:51:32 When we go to talk to each one of those municipalities inside of
1:51:35 ours, there’s also other things that
1:51:36 we can do in that aspect that’s very good.
1:51:39 So I understand we don’t need to make a policy about it because
1:51:42 we don’t really have it yet.
1:51:42 Right.
1:51:43 But I wanted to explain the open door that we may be able to do.
1:51:46 And in some cases, I mean, we have our employee count may be
1:51:49 below that.
1:51:50 So actually increasing by joining with the county or something
1:51:53 like that on one of these may
1:51:55 actually save us some of that revenue.
1:51:57 And I think it’s worth it for us to take a look at on an
1:51:59 interval to see if that would be beneficial to us.
1:52:02 That’s all.
1:52:03 I’m curious, Mr. Sisson, are you suggesting a plan?
1:52:06 Is that type of plan be something that we, so if they join with
1:52:10 us,
1:52:10 we’re still the controlling entity as far as the doing the
1:52:13 contracts?
1:52:14 Because our insurance is tied into our contracts with our labor,
1:52:19 our employee unions.
1:52:21 And so I don’t think we could tie like the design of the plans
1:52:25 and things into,
1:52:27 and the costs and things into other entities where they get a
1:52:30 controlling voice.
1:52:31 Yeah.
1:52:32 It’s a fallacy inside of group joint self-insurance that you
1:52:37 have to be tied to other people’s plans,
1:52:39 deductibles, all that stuff.
1:52:40 It’s not.
1:52:41 All you do is you enter into a purchasing agreement risk pool.
1:52:45 And what happens is we come in and we say we want a deductible
1:52:48 at $200.
1:52:49 We have a co-insurance of this.
1:52:50 We have all of those things, right?
1:52:52 The other entities say this is what we have.
1:52:54 We have this, and they can have a completely separate plan.
1:52:56 The only added benefit is that we are entering into a risk pool
1:53:00 for purchasing.
1:53:01 So we would say, okay, Cigna, UnitedHealthcare, all of the
1:53:04 entities,
1:53:05 we’re entering into this agreement that we just would like you
1:53:09 guys to give us the rates
1:53:10 and then we will develop our own plans on the side.
1:53:13 And that’s how it works.
1:53:14 And you can do that for stop loss.
1:53:16 You can do it for all of it.
1:53:17 I actually do it in other places.
1:53:18 I have a question though.
1:53:19 Does that mean that they would be forced into taking the type of
1:53:21 insurance that we selected then?
1:53:22 Correct?
1:53:23 That’s –
1:53:24 Yeah.
1:53:25 We would not be the selection.
1:53:26 What we would do is we would go to market and then they would
1:53:28 come back and they would say,
1:53:29 okay, here’s what we have.
1:53:30 Okay.
1:53:31 You would select either a lead like us or you would select a
1:53:33 committee.
1:53:34 So we would become the lead or you would select a committee that
1:53:37 makes up the three individuals that say who we would like.
1:53:40 Okay.
1:53:41 It’s a model that can be modified and changed however we want.
1:53:44 The county tried to do it about 10 years ago and some of the
1:53:48 cities wanted to be able to – he did it in a way that he was
1:53:51 going to set what the deductibles were for everybody and that’s
1:53:54 not the proper way to do it.
1:53:55 There’s another way to do it.
1:53:56 So I’m just saying we don’t need to move forward with the policy.
1:53:59 But your question is one of the ones that comes up all the time
1:54:02 is that entities think that they’re going to have to buy into
1:54:05 exactly what our plan is.
1:54:07 That’s not the case.
1:54:08 You enter into a stop loss, say for instance, you increase all
1:54:11 of your stop loss pool, then you lower the costs.
1:54:14 It’s a model that goes across the state of Florida.
1:54:17 There’s entities that use it all the time and it’s actually
1:54:19 nationwide that they do this.
1:54:21 I’m curious then does – because the pool of money is also
1:54:25 something – then we’re also – everybody’s at risk for every –
1:54:29 every –
1:54:29 I know your mind keeps going back to that being –
1:54:31 You don’t know what my mind’s doing so don’t say stuff like that.
1:54:33 But just then explain that to me because when we talk about self-insurance
1:54:36 pool, it’s the pool of money.
1:54:37 So I want to know, is that – do you know or do we need to look
1:54:40 into, does that mean that like our self-funded insurance plan,
1:54:45 the money they put in, the money put – everybody – it’s all
1:54:47 still one pot of money that’s paying out the claims?
1:54:49 No, it’s not.
1:54:50 Okay, thank you.
1:54:51 Yeah, just to reiterate what it is, is it’s a purchasing
1:54:54 agreement more so than an entire plan put together.
1:54:57 There’s two ways to do the joint agreement is everybody’s in, we
1:55:01 create the exact same plan, and then we go off that.
1:55:03 Or you enter into like asking Cigna to provide their lowest cost.
1:55:09 And what that does is because you have so many people, if they
1:55:11 win the contract, they provide that lowest cost.
1:55:14 And then everybody creates their own plans, has their own
1:55:17 reserves, has everything off on the side.
1:55:19 This is done in some entities with over 120 municipalities in
1:55:24 one on a purchasing agreement.
1:55:26 And there’s ways to do it, and I’ve done it all the way from
1:55:28 Florida to North Carolina.
1:55:30 But it’s something to look at to reduce cost.
1:55:33 And I know that some of our municipalities have said it would
1:55:37 definitely help us.
1:55:38 The only reason we would entertain it is to get us above that
1:55:40 break point of where those numbers actually make sense.
1:55:44 So the first conversation would be to ask our medical providers,
1:55:47 at what break point would we see a reduced cost?
1:55:50 Or are we there yet?
1:55:51 And if we do get to a certain number, we would see a reduced
1:55:55 cost on our, each one of our claims, then we may want to enter
1:55:59 into a conversation with some of the municipalities.
1:56:01 And if they’re interested, what that looks like.
1:56:03 It’s a long road, but I did just want to bring it up here
1:56:06 because part of the insurance pool, things that people think is,
1:56:10 is that you have to join your reserves, join everything together,
1:56:13 do it all.
1:56:13 That’s not the case.
1:56:14 So, but that is a model.
1:56:16 It’s just very restrictive.
1:56:18 And many of the carriers do that to put handcuffs on the people
1:56:21 to where they can’t get out of it.
1:56:23 And there’s a bunch of other things.
1:56:24 But there is an opportunity to do joint purchasing agreements.
1:56:26 So, we can talk about that.
1:56:28 I think it would be an awesome opportunity or an offering to our
1:56:31 municipalities because I’m sure they’re getting a higher
1:56:33 insurance rate with them coming in with only having a few
1:56:35 hundred employees or maybe even a thousand versus what we’re
1:56:38 coming in with ours.
1:56:39 So, I understand that the purchasing power of being a larger, a
1:56:43 larger group that gives us more benefits.
1:56:46 So, you have your small municipalities like Satellite Beach that
1:56:49 have say 150 to 200 employees.
1:56:51 What they can do is, is they can turn around and join into it
1:56:54 and they can actually move to a self-insured plan.
1:56:57 If we’re collaborating on our stop loss, then they’d be able to
1:57:01 purchase the stop loss price and set it up a different way.
1:57:04 So, that what ends up happening is, is that they would actually
1:57:07 be able to move to a self-insured with that stop loss and save a
1:57:09 ton of money.
1:57:10 So, it’s an opportunity to save them, but we have to make sure
1:57:13 it benefits us before we engage in something like that.
1:57:15 That’s all.
1:57:16 And what it is.
1:57:17 But I just thought part of a process of review to do every three
1:57:19 years or something like that might be something we do.
1:57:21 And it might be time to have conversations wrapped around it.
1:57:24 Maybe for something next to your conversation.
1:57:26 Okay.
1:57:27 All right.
1:57:28 Moving on.
1:57:29 There we go.
1:57:30 8800 Religious Patriotic Ceremonies and Observances.
1:57:35 Ms. Dampierre.
1:57:36 8800.
1:57:37 Okay.
1:57:38 It was last revised on October 2018.
1:57:39 However, we just received a new update on volume 24, number one.
1:57:43 We will, we have reduced policy and we will more than likely
1:57:59 accept new recommended changes.
1:58:02 So, any feedback on that?
1:58:04 I have a lot of things that I’d like to meet with you offline
1:58:07 and check in with legal on.
1:58:08 Okay.
1:58:09 I’ll do that.
1:58:10 There’s, I don’t know.
1:58:12 There’s been some conversations wrapped around having meetings
1:58:15 and stuff at other locations and stuff like that of religious
1:58:18 areas that we got into lawsuits with and everything.
1:58:20 I just kind of want to put our heads around what laws have
1:58:22 changed and stuff.
1:58:23 But I’m not ready to make a recommendation yet.
1:58:25 So, I’d like to just do that offline and see.
1:58:27 Does anybody else wish to speak to this item?
1:58:29 All right.
1:58:30 Hearing none.
1:58:31 We’ll move on.
1:58:32 8805.
1:58:33 Chief of Schools.
1:58:38 Model Policy on Religious Expression in Public Schools.
1:58:41 I feel like Mr. Raymer would really like to come to the
1:58:44 microphone right now.
1:58:46 And he’s like, uh oh.
1:59:03 Never done this before.
1:59:04 Mr. Raymer.
1:59:05 Welcome to the table.
1:59:06 Yes.
1:59:07 Thank you.
1:59:08 The policy that we’re bringing up, and I apologize.
1:59:10 I did not.
1:59:11 I may not have given you enough time.
1:59:14 The policy that we’re bringing up.
1:59:15 8805 is the Model Policy on Religious Expression in Public
1:59:18 Schools.
1:59:19 Yeah.
1:59:20 So, some of the policy is in parts of our other policy, such as
1:59:24 like clothing with dress code, and there’s some other aspects,
1:59:28 use of district facilities, clubs, et cetera, that are in some
1:59:32 of our policies across the district.
1:59:34 I did have a question for Paul because this one was certified by
1:59:39 the DOE in 2018.
1:59:41 Most of the other policy updates come from NEOLA.
1:59:44 So, I was just seeking some clarification because it came in
1:59:47 2018 and we haven’t adopted it yet.
1:59:49 It was part of the statute cited there that the state provide a
1:59:54 model policy for districts to consider.
1:59:57 I’d have to go back and review the language to see if the
2:00:00 statute requires us to.
2:00:01 But NEOLA would have likely, they usually put a note on there
2:00:06 saying required to adopt.
2:00:07 Mm-hmm.
2:00:08 And that’s not here.
2:00:09 So, I’m assuming that they do not require us to adopt it.
2:00:12 Yeah.
2:00:13 So, I would, you know, recommend, we haven’t adopted it for the
2:00:16 five years that it’s, since 2018.
2:00:19 If we were to, I would adopt it as presented in the NEOLA
2:00:24 template.
2:00:25 But there are some aspects of it that, you know, we would carry
2:00:31 through some other policies,
2:00:32 such as, like I said, district facility use, dress code,
2:00:35 religious freedom of expression,
2:00:37 that the Supreme Court has been pretty clear on directions that
2:00:40 school districts would go for that.
2:00:42 Okay.
2:00:43 Does any board member wish to speak to this?
2:00:45 I’m in favor of adding this policy.
2:00:47 Absolutely.
2:00:49 Love this policy.
2:00:50 I think we move to it.
2:00:51 If anybody wishes to add anything, speak to it.
2:00:54 I would also include to check with Paul on this one to just say,
2:00:59 hey, if you’ve got something else you want to add, make sure it’s
2:01:01 legal.
2:01:01 Thank you, Mr. Raymond, for coming up and giving an overview.
2:01:05 Appreciate the opportunity.
2:01:06 Yep.
2:01:07 Absolutely.
2:01:08 Any other conversation left on this?
2:01:09 Hearing none.
2:01:10 Moving on.
2:01:11 8810, the American flag.
2:01:13 Some of my favorite topics.
2:01:15 This goes to Mr. Wilson.
2:01:17 Yes.
2:01:19 We want to refer to staff.
2:01:20 Okay.
2:01:21 We want to refer this one to staff.
2:01:24 And why?
2:01:26 Because do we want to display the official model of the state of
2:01:30 Florida and other places and how we trust?
2:01:34 Is that what we want to do?
2:01:35 We’re required to.
2:01:36 Yeah.
2:01:37 Do you say other places?
2:01:38 You mean besides?
2:01:39 Because I think it has to be like, even it didn’t it go down to
2:01:42 like telling you what size the letters have to be?
2:01:45 And the statutes do prescribe how you do it.
2:01:48 Correct.
2:01:49 And I know it’s usually in the lobbies of all the schools.
2:01:52 Correct.
2:01:53 So.
2:01:54 Are you talking about like where it says and in each building?
2:01:57 Correct.
2:01:58 So we don’t have it in each building just at the schools?
2:02:00 Just at the front.
2:02:01 It’s typically in the front office of the schools.
2:02:03 Okay.
2:02:04 Do you need direction on that?
2:02:05 I do need some direction.
2:02:07 I’m okay with putting it in front of the facility, but it may,
2:02:12 what you’re saying is that that may be cost-free productive and
2:02:16 everything else is what you’re saying, but we are covering the
2:02:18 schools.
2:02:19 Correct.
2:02:20 Okay.
2:02:21 So where’s everybody’s head out on there?
2:02:23 I want to say what we did a couple of years ago when that first
2:02:25 took place, when we put them in the schools is we, I think we’re
2:02:28 using the seal, right?
2:02:29 The seal of the state of Florida, which includes the motto.
2:02:31 And as long as it was big enough, then we’re using that.
2:02:33 I want to say that’s what we have in our front offices.
2:02:35 Can we just order more of those for our other facilities?
2:02:38 If it’s that simple.
2:02:39 Yeah.
2:02:40 I mean, there’s the seal of the state of Florida has that, you
2:02:46 know, why not put that in there?
2:02:49 But is it, so I, and also I haven’t looked at the statute to see
2:02:54 if it’s required in other places besides the schools.
2:02:59 I guess Mr. Wilson can check that to see if it’s required in
2:03:02 other locations besides the schools.
2:03:04 And then I think we have a favor of moving forward to the front,
2:03:09 but I would ask Mr. Wilson, if there’s a way to get a cost for
2:03:14 that, just so that we know ahead of time, I don’t think it would
2:03:18 inhibit any of us from making that decision, but just that way
2:03:20 we know ahead of time how much something like that would cost us
2:03:24 to do.
2:03:24 Thank you.
2:03:26 Any other conversation after Emma?
2:03:28 No.
2:03:29 All right.
2:03:30 Hearing none, that was 8810.
2:03:31 Moving on to 8900 printing, copying services.
2:03:35 This is GCR.
2:03:37 Mr. Broome.
2:03:38 This was adopted in 2002.
2:03:41 There’s no change in the language, although this and the next
2:03:44 one do need administrative procedures.
2:03:47 This is kind of a weird policy if you look at it.
2:03:50 It’s like the highest quality.
2:03:51 There’s no metrics.
2:03:52 There’s no nothing.
2:03:53 I mean, do you, would we, do we care to, I mean, do you want to
2:03:57 repeal this thing?
2:03:58 It just seems to me like, or do you want to keep it?
2:04:02 Possible.
2:04:03 I mean, we obviously can’t buy industry top of the line.
2:04:08 Yeah.
2:04:09 That’s not possible.
2:04:10 Yeah.
2:04:11 So.
2:04:12 As I was just saying, like, it just seems kind of weird, like, I
2:04:13 don’t know.
2:04:15 I think it’s fine the way it is.
2:04:17 I mean, we always try to be as effective with, with taxpayer
2:04:21 money when it comes to buying
2:04:22 materials for printing.
2:04:23 That’s a good reminder that that’s the board stance, but
2:04:26 whatever you guys wish to do, we’ll
2:04:28 obviously, we’ll obviously do.
2:04:30 Is there procedures?
2:04:32 As I mentioned, like this one and the next one, 8910 need
2:04:36 administrative procedures.
2:04:37 They don’t have procedures.
2:04:38 Okay.
2:04:39 I don’t see an administrative procedure around it, so.
2:04:43 I don’t know.
2:04:46 If you want to keep it, it’s fine.
2:04:48 I just, it’s one of those things that we have that I don’t know
2:04:51 how effective it is.
2:04:52 No metrics.
2:04:53 It’s just like somebody came up with a great idea and just put
2:04:56 it in.
2:04:56 All right.
2:04:57 Hearing no objection to it and hearing that staff would like to
2:05:00 keep it, we’ll move on.
2:05:01 8910, publishing standards.
2:05:03 Mr. Broome.
2:05:04 Very similar to the previous one, adopted in 2002.
2:05:09 There’s no changes from NEOLA in the language.
2:05:14 And again, this one does need administrative procedures.
2:05:16 There’s none listed right now.
2:05:18 Okay.
2:05:19 So recommendation is maybe update it from NEOLA and bring it
2:05:22 forward and that’s it?
2:05:23 Or keep it?
2:05:24 Create administrative procedures?
2:05:25 Create administrative procedures if we keep it.
2:05:27 Okay.
2:05:28 Does anybody wish to speak to that?
2:05:29 Do we need administrative procedures?
2:05:31 I feel like both of these are a little bit like why?
2:05:34 I don’t know.
2:05:35 I would support whatever you guys want to do.
2:05:38 But the policy does say that it needs administrative procedures.
2:05:41 That’s why I mentioned it.
2:05:42 Okay.
2:05:43 So there’s a difference though.
2:05:44 Because there’s, and this is the same way with one that came to
2:05:46 say.
2:05:46 This one says, therefore, the superintendent shall develop
2:05:48 procedures that describe the minimum
2:05:49 available standard development.
2:05:50 I mean, if that’s, if we have those, then let’s do it.
2:05:54 But I, to me that’s different than if the policy specifically
2:05:58 says the superintendent shall develop
2:06:01 administrative procedures, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah.
2:06:03 You know, if they were specifically called on to be more
2:06:07 specific.
2:06:08 I don’t, I don’t know.
2:06:09 To me, if you have, if the print shop has procedures that they
2:06:11 follow to make sure, then
2:06:12 I’m, I’m good with that.
2:06:13 I just think it’s funny that we’re going to make the
2:06:15 superintendent develop procedures
2:06:17 to ensure that the materials published by the district are cost
2:06:19 effective.
2:06:20 Like that would be an RFP.
2:06:22 Or a minimum acceptable standard.
2:06:23 What is that?
2:06:24 That’s an RFP and stuff like that.
2:06:26 I don’t, I think it just, I look, I, I think it’s whatever.
2:06:30 It’s probably a couple.
2:06:31 Using mimeograph machines anymore.
2:06:32 I’m good.
2:06:33 Yeah.
2:06:34 You’re right.
2:06:35 We’re not using mimeograph machines anymore.
2:06:36 I’m good.
2:06:37 Yeah.
2:06:38 I’m sure this was probably created in 2002 because there was
2:06:40 something that was produced
2:06:41 that maybe didn’t have the standards that the superintendent at
2:06:43 that time were liked.
2:06:44 So they were like, hey, we’re going to make a policy that says
2:06:46 that it’s going to meet
2:06:47 my minimum standard, whatever that is.
2:06:48 But it’s so subjective.
2:06:49 So I.
2:06:50 Or the printing companies.
2:06:52 I would say refer this to staff.
2:06:53 Ask Dr. Rendell.
2:06:54 Does he feel like this is something that needs to be.
2:06:56 To me, these both seem.
2:06:57 Yeah.
2:06:58 Like we don’t really need these.
2:06:59 We, I think our standards are pretty, pretty good.
2:07:01 And they, everything we produce looks excellent.
2:07:03 That comes out.
2:07:04 So.
2:07:05 I think in the big scheme of, you know, work that we need to do,
2:07:07 this is probably not a
2:07:09 big priority.
2:07:10 No.
2:07:11 So if, if you all are okay with potentially repealing this, we’ll
2:07:14 run this by Dr. Rendell.
2:07:15 And I, I think you have adequate procedures in your departments
2:07:18 to ensure that we’re using quality, quality products.
2:07:21 Yeah.
2:07:22 You have my support on the repeal.
2:07:23 So if there’s no objection, we’re kind of, I think we’ll go in
2:07:25 that direction unless we find a reason that we need these.
2:07:28 At the very least just check.
2:07:29 I’m good to get ready.
2:07:30 I want to point out board.
2:07:33 I just noticed.
2:07:34 I did not notice this before that at the bottom on the agenda
2:07:36 attachment, at the bottom is the August.
2:07:39 Oh, August is over.
2:07:41 But maybe this was listed here as a demonstration is the August
2:07:46 menu for go down.
2:07:48 The August cafeteria menu.
2:07:51 Yeah.
2:07:52 I was just looking at it last minute.
2:07:53 And maybe this is to send us a message that it’s time for lunch.
2:07:56 I don’t know.
2:07:57 It is for ESF.
2:07:58 It’s 11.
2:07:59 So I think that was a note in case you were going long, Mr. Seusson,
2:08:03 this was your warning
2:08:04 that you better hurry up and let us go eat because.
2:08:06 I don’t know what’s going on.
2:08:07 I was looking at it last night.
2:08:09 Cause my son for the first time was getting school lunch today
2:08:12 and he was all excited.
2:08:13 So we got to choose what he was getting.
2:08:14 All right.
2:08:15 Any other questions for anything?
2:08:17 Any board members wish to speak to anything?
2:08:19 Did we have something else that got added to the agenda?
2:08:22 Not that I knew of.
2:08:23 I don’t know.
2:08:25 No, I don’t think so.
2:08:26 There was something wonky was happening yesterday.
2:08:27 Closing remarks.
2:08:28 Okay.
2:08:29 No, it’s not on there anymore.
2:08:30 Nope.
2:08:31 All right.
2:08:32 For the good of board.
2:08:33 There we go.
2:08:34 Thank you.