Updates on the Fight for Quality Public Education in Brevard County, FL
0:00 Thank you.
8:29 So, anybody have any questions on 5351?
8:34 Anybody have any conversation?
8:35 That was one of the ones that I had mentioned, if you didn’t
8:38 have it in the notes, that it
8:39 didn’t have an administrative procedure and it’s supposed to.
8:42 Got it. I think in general, we can say to Dr. Rendell, anything
8:47 that doesn’t have an image procedure attached to it that does,
8:51 you should start putting an input in the mic. Does that make
8:53 sense to you?
8:54 Yeah, that’s what I said next time. I’m still going to say it
8:56 every time. It says it’s supposed to have one. It doesn’t have
8:58 one. I’m still going to say it.
8:59 Yeah, and he asked you to do that more.
9:01 Yes.
9:01 Okay. All right. Does anybody else have any other conversations
9:07 about the emergency medical authorization?
9:10 No.
9:12 Paul, do you want to check with staff to make sure if there’s
9:14 any updates that are needed that we do that?
9:16 No.
9:17 All right. I’m opening up my new templates right now as we go.
9:21 Just a second here.
9:22 Hang on. I got it.
9:23 53.
9:24 Swap computers.
9:26 50. All right. We’ll move on to 53. The next one is 5350,
9:33 student suicide prevention, awareness, and screening.
9:38 So there was an update in 2022, and we revised it in 2021, and
9:42 there are some additions.
9:43 So I think this one is probably one we need to go back and take
9:46 a look at.
9:47 Absolutely.
9:47 The way I’m going to do it is there’s been a lot of updates
9:51 throughout the years, right, as far as, you know, most recently
9:55 and everything else, and thank you, Ms. Campbell, for pointing
9:57 that out.
9:57 I think the idea is, does anybody have anything they’d like to
10:01 add, and then have this all review it for the fidelity of, you
10:05 know what I mean, any laws that may have changed, and then the
10:09 old updates, and then come back, right?
10:10 So we can pretty much roll through these if we can do it that
10:12 way?
10:12 Yeah.
10:13 Okay.
10:14 And I did want to say, take a second and say hi, Ms. Suhan, who
10:18 is filling in for Dr. Rendell because he has a personal matter
10:21 today, and we always love to see you here, and I just wanted to
10:25 say welcome.
10:26 Thank you. Good morning.
10:27 All right.
10:30 So with 5350, does anybody wish to add anything to it?
10:33 The NEOLA updates.
10:36 Well, there’s, yeah, it looks like we need to select some of the
10:39 options that are in there, so when you look at the NEOLA
10:41 template, there’s options, so if you want to select them all or
10:44 some of them.
10:45 Okay.
10:46 You guys want to move to the NEOLA.
10:49 Does everybody have the ability to get on and look at the NEOLA
10:51 updates?
10:52 It’s A, B, and C.
10:53 Right.
10:55 I think in terms of the options for this, I think it’s best for
10:58 staff to take a look at the options because this has to do with
11:01 the training and the programs that we’re offering, and they’re
11:04 going to be most knowledgeable about what we’re doing and or
11:06 what they plan on doing going forward.
11:08 So what I noticed, the biggest difference is not the part that’s
11:11 the options, but it’s this part under the suicide risk
11:14 assessment, and I think there’s several, there’s a statute and
11:18 extreme state rules listed.
11:20 So I think that’s the main update is between 2021 and 2022,
11:25 there were some updates to that SRI process, so that is where we
11:29 probably need to get the updates in.
11:31 Okay.
11:32 Yeah, so I couldn’t agree with you more, Ms. Jenkins.
11:36 I think that when we get to some of these, the board weighing in
11:40 may not know what we have currently and what the direction of
11:43 the board might be, so I think that having staff review these,
11:46 you know what I mean, before bringing them back to us for the
11:49 next step would be the appropriate way.
11:52 So I think, Paul, if you’re okay with that, have staff review
11:56 which one of those selections they need to do and move on from
11:59 there.
12:00 Is that okay?
12:01 Anybody okay with that?
12:03 I have a question, though, because I just, because we’re getting
12:06 started, and I want to make sure we’re doing this, the process,
12:10 if, you know, in the one that we just did, 53-41, it was adopted
12:14 in 2002.
12:15 There’s not been any Neola revisions since 2002.
12:17 I mentioned there’s not an administrative procedure, but then
12:20 you said, well, let’s take it back to staff see if there’s any
12:22 updates.
12:23 There’s not, there’s not been any.
12:24 So are there, I think it would be good if there were some that
12:27 if we don’t want any changes and there’s not been any changes in
12:31 Neola that we can, like, stamp and say reviewed.
12:34 I agree with you.
12:35 There’s one problem with that is, is that statutory changes may
12:37 not be the only thing that staff’s moving on.
12:40 We may have presentations.
12:42 We may have things that roll over to it, so just having staff as
12:44 part of the review.
12:46 And I think that part of the conversation that I had with Paul
12:49 prior was, you know, we’ve been moving through these policies,
12:53 and I was asking, like, when are we going to start seeing the
12:55 rest of them coming back because we want to sort of get these
12:58 things through, right?
13:00 And Paul says the process that they do is, is once we’ve passed
13:03 it for the day, he goes ahead and sends it out to cabinet, and
13:05 cabinet then comes back with their edits, and then they have
13:08 them go through, right?
13:10 But I said, okay, well, how is this on a time frame?
13:13 Like, do we set on the back end, like, hey, these need to be
13:15 finished by this date so that everybody knows, or do we just
13:18 kind of get to them and get to them?
13:20 So Paul and I are going to work out, like, a back end time frame
13:23 saying, hey, all the 2000s need to be reviewed by this date.
13:26 Please review them and come forward.
13:28 So what I would say is, absolutely, Ms. Campbell, I think, I
13:33 just didn’t want to miss anything.
13:34 So having staff just glance through it, and if they have any
13:37 needs or changes that they would like to update, there’s some
13:40 things that the Student Code of Conduct may be implementing.
13:42 There’s all kinds of different components that we just want to
13:45 make sure we have staff review it.
13:46 That’s all.
13:47 All right.
13:47 Now, I understand.
13:48 I understand.
13:48 But just as far as our process, you know, of review, just keep
13:53 some of it simpler.
13:55 You know, if there’s literally no changes, you know, it’s a
13:57 simpler process.
13:59 I mean, we did have a few, at least the last time around, that
14:01 we said, no, this is good.
14:02 Stamp it.
14:03 We reviewed it.
14:04 We’re done.
14:04 We’ve done our duty to review.
14:07 Yeah, but not having a quick staff review on certain items may…
14:10 I’m not arguing that point.
14:11 Yeah, that’s all.
14:12 I’m not arguing.
14:12 I agree with you.
14:13 Can I…
14:14 I just want to, because we’re on this particular one, at the end
14:18 of this, if we have time, just
14:20 because we have a lot to get through, I do want to update you
14:22 guys on a conversation I
14:23 had, and then I started having with Dr. Rendell and some of the
14:26 staff, and I’m going to continue
14:28 today.
14:28 But coincidentally, one of the lines at the end of that policy
14:33 that we don’t have is talking
14:35 about telephone numbers for national statewide crisis and
14:38 suicide hotlines on the back of
14:40 identification cards.
14:41 And so one of the community liaisons that I had a meeting with,
14:45 as well as a parent, is
14:47 advocating to ensure students are aware of 988 now being the
14:51 federal number.
14:52 And I know that Dr. Rendell, as well as Mr. Dufresne, was having
14:56 a conversation that it’s
14:58 not on the back of the cards.
14:59 We might be able to print a sticker or something like that for
15:01 this year.
15:03 So yeah, just, I want to have a follow-up conversation with that
15:05 later, if possible, if not.
15:06 Are you asking, I mean, you can have it now, Ms. Jenkins.
15:11 I mean, it’s an important topic, and we’re on this policy.
15:14 So if you want to discuss it, I’ll give you the floor.
15:15 There’s no, I’m not asking for an action to be taken.
15:18 I just wanted to give you guys a heads up, because I passed it
15:21 on to staff, and I know
15:22 that these two individuals are going to end up reaching out to
15:25 you guys as well.
15:26 And so the community liaison contact for 211, which is crisis
15:31 prevention and resources for
15:33 housing and things of that nature, they are now the provider,
15:36 our local provider, for 988,
15:38 which is Suicide Prevention Crisis Hotline.
15:41 And I also had the privilege of meeting with a mom of a former
15:45 student of Merritt Island
15:46 High School, who died by suicide when they went off to college.
15:51 And she hosts an event, I think last year was the first year, at
15:56 Merritt Island High School
15:58 in September, called You Matter.
16:03 And then her new mission is to spread the 988, because it’s, I
16:12 think it’s only two years
16:14 old, and it’s not something that people are really talking about,
16:16 and students are aware
16:17 of.
16:18 And one of her goals was to have a sticker on every laptop, and
16:22 she can tell you why.
16:23 I’m going to let her share that story with you.
16:25 But when I had a conversation with Dr. Rendell yesterday, he had
16:28 mentioned that Mr. Dufresne
16:29 actually had already talked about putting a sticker on the back
16:32 of ID cards.
16:32 And so I’m assuming it’s because of this part of this new policy,
16:36 or the updated policy.
16:37 So just wanted to give you guys a heads up of that conversation
16:39 that’s happening across
16:40 the district, especially because September’s coming up, and we
16:43 do Mental Health Awareness
16:44 and Suicide Recognition Month.
16:47 And I’m sure they’re going to reach out to you.
16:50 So no action to be taken, just want you guys to think about that.
16:54 Well, I think it’s a great idea.
16:55 No, I love it, honestly.
16:56 And I was going to ask the question, I’m glad you brought it up,
16:58 because honestly, having
17:00 kids, I don’t recall seeing a suicide prevention number or any
17:03 kind of crisis number on their
17:05 back of their ID card or on their ID card at all.
17:07 Yeah, I think so.
17:08 Mr. Raymer, they do have them on there, right?
17:11 They do.
17:12 They may not have that updated number, but there is back of our
17:14 ID card.
17:15 It’s on the back of their card.
17:16 Is that where it’s at?
17:16 I have the updated number.
17:17 Sorry.
17:17 Okay.
17:18 All right.
17:18 So I don’t recall seeing it on my own student’s ID, but.
17:20 And we had the conversation, too, of, you know, I am an adult
17:27 who has clearly seen it multiple
17:29 times, and I’m in an education setting, and I couldn’t tell you
17:32 what that number was off
17:33 the top of my head.
17:34 So that’s why they moved to a simpler number for people to
17:36 memorize.
17:36 Makes sense.
17:37 But we need to talk about our responsibility to inform our
17:40 students about it, just like
17:41 we inform them about 9-1-1.
17:42 Right.
17:42 So that’ll be a later conversation, not for this moment, but I
17:45 just want you guys to kind
17:46 of be on the radar of that.
17:47 And then if they reach out to you, you’re going to have a little
17:49 heads up of why.
17:50 Yeah.
17:51 Absolutely.
17:52 And that could fit in with our, you know how the dogs go around
17:55 and do the presentations
17:56 to remind the big kids about the speak out hotline and the, what’s
17:59 the other one?
18:00 There’s two.
18:06 There’s a speak out hotline, and then there’s the other one.
18:08 Fortify.
18:09 Fortify Florida, right.
18:10 And the dogs go around and kind of share those messages.
18:14 That could be another message of just.
18:16 I got one.
18:17 Thank you.
18:18 Thank you very much.
18:20 Very important conversation.
18:22 Yeah, I think it’s a great point.
18:23 I look forward to having conversations with those individuals.
18:26 And then, so anything else on 5350 that anybody would like to
18:31 discuss?
18:32 All right.
18:33 Paul, you can have staff review it for updates.
18:36 And statutory law and everything else.
18:37 And we should be good.
18:38 All right.
18:38 Next one up is 5410 student progression.
18:42 As you can see, the last time this was updated on this was 2018.
18:47 The last time Neola updated it was 2015.
18:50 I think.
18:50 Oh, actually, they did it in 22, and this was also part of the
18:54 packet of, are you on 5410?
18:56 Yeah.
18:56 Mm-hmm.
18:57 Yeah.
18:57 They updated in 22, and it was also in the 23 most recent.
19:00 There’s some changes because of testing.
19:02 Yeah.
19:03 So we’ll need to go back because there’s some additions and
19:07 based on the, if you see the part
19:10 that says in A at the bottom, beginning of 22, 23 school year,
19:14 it’s all the progress monitoring
19:16 stuff.
19:16 So we’ll need to update that.
19:18 So what, what Ms. Campbell’s referring to is, is that, so I’m
19:22 pulling all of the, each one
19:26 of these off of the Neola template.
19:27 Right.
19:28 So what we’re looking at when I spoke, I’m reading it out of
19:31 what we currently have.
19:32 And then if you pull up the actual Neola update, you’ll notice
19:37 that on there, they updated in
19:40 2022.
19:40 So basically, there’s always been, you know what I mean, laws,
19:45 there might be another update
19:47 now.
19:47 So I think the idea would be that if anybody has anything that
19:50 they wish to add to this,
19:51 that’s great.
19:52 But great point by Ms. Campbell in that we need to have staff
19:55 review it for any upcoming laws
19:57 and have our lawyers look at it too.
20:00 Does that make sense?
20:01 Yeah, I think I, yeah.
20:02 Yes, that’s what I just said.
20:05 Yeah, I just, because we’re going to.
20:06 This was in the packet.
20:07 We, in addition to the Neola 5,000 zip drive, we also received
20:11 all the updates from Neola from
20:13 the zeros to the 9,000s.
20:15 And so as we go through, because this was part of my preparation
20:18 was to note those, I’m going
20:20 to note those.
20:21 So if I say it, this was part of the 2023 update or this was
20:25 this year update, that’s what
20:27 that means.
20:27 Yeah.
20:28 So basically it’s been updated and staff needs to take a look at
20:32 it.
20:33 So if anybody, does anybody have anything they wish to add to
20:35 the student progression?
20:36 No?
20:38 I do not.
20:39 Okay.
20:39 Paul, if you’ll have staff review that one and update it with
20:42 the Neola policy, that’d be
20:43 great.
20:44 Next up is 5410.01 promotion, placement, and retention.
20:49 If you look at the Neola template, let me just take a look down
20:56 here.
20:57 It was last updated in 2022.
20:59 This is another one that has, yeah.
21:01 Hang on, Ms. Campbell, hasn’t been updated since 2020, 2002 from
21:05 Neola, but then revised
21:07 on the 8, 2018.
21:08 So again, I think it falls under the same guys as the last one,
21:12 that we have to have it updated.
21:14 Does anybody have any discussion on it to add anything to it?
21:17 Yes.
21:17 This was a 2023 update also from the other packet, and we
21:21 specifically need to revise
21:22 the part about the exemptions for state progress monitoring.
21:29 I had a question on, let me find it, the next to the last
21:36 paragraph.
21:36 Are you speaking on the current one that we have or the Neola?
21:42 Current.
21:43 Okay.
21:43 Current.
21:43 There was a, there’s a section about on our, our next last
21:49 paragraph, a student who has been
21:52 retained in third grade due to reading deficiency shall be
21:55 promoted mid-year if the student has
21:56 demonstrated mastery of the state mandated, mandated
21:59 requirements and reading.
22:00 I didn’t look in specifically at the Neola update for this one
22:05 in the, like the 2023 one
22:07 that just came out.
22:08 But I wondered how often do we do those mid-year promotions?
22:13 And, and this is a shall.
22:17 So again, I would, I would, I’m wondering, my other question is,
22:21 what are we looking at?
22:24 So if they, because at the point of the mid-year, we would have
22:26 only done one fast now that we’re
22:28 doing three, it would just be PM1 early on.
22:31 So if a child comes in and passes their PM1, then are we doing a
22:36 mid-year or a close to the
22:38 beginning of the year promotion in third grade?
22:42 I don’t know if yours is on.
22:43 They’ve always called it mid-year.
22:45 I don’t know.
22:46 Flip it towards you because I don’t know if it’s on.
22:48 You have to be recorded.
22:50 They’ve always called it mid-year.
22:52 But what we have traditionally done is look at where that,
22:56 because sometimes parents do tutoring
22:58 over the summer or they go to summer programs.
23:00 So we assess them at the beginning of the year.
23:02 If we were to promote a child truly at the middle of the year in
23:06 December, we’re not putting
23:07 them in fourth grade.
23:08 Very disruptive.
23:09 If it happens semester of fourth grade, in a few months, they’ll
23:12 be assessed on all fourth
23:13 grade.
23:13 So that’s really not good for our child.
23:15 The state now has very clear guidelines.
23:18 So after PM1, that score, if that shows that they are
23:23 demonstrating proficiency, because
23:26 remember, there’s a percentile ranking that we get at reasonable
23:30 time, that’s what then
23:31 determines that may be a promotion after PM1.
23:34 Okay.
23:35 So that was very important.
23:37 So I didn’t make sure to clarify on the mic.
23:40 So PM1, which we offer in the first few weeks of school, or at
23:44 least in the first month,
23:45 right, a child who shows proficiency in the third grade who was
23:49 held back, they have the
23:52 opportunity to go ahead and be promoted, whether it’s because
23:55 end of the year was a fluke,
23:57 or they had summer school, or just worked really hard, or
24:00 whatever.
24:01 They have the opportunity to go ahead and be moved up to the
24:02 fourth grade.
24:03 That is correct.
24:04 And before it was kind of a district, we would look at different
24:06 data points at the beginning
24:07 of the year, and now the state has delineated what that data
24:11 point is that gets a child to
24:12 fourth grade at the beginning of the year.
24:14 Okay, so that shall, we’re, that’s, we’ll be revised, and I have
24:18 a feeling that’s probably
24:18 some of the updates that are in this policy.
24:20 Thank you.
24:21 So it actually, Ms. Campbell, you bring up a good point, but
24:26 even in the NIOLA version,
24:27 it’s still saying that.
24:28 Is it the new, new, the new, oh, sorry.
24:31 Oh, it’s the 23 update.
24:32 Never mind.
24:32 Yeah, yeah.
24:33 I, I can pull it up.
24:35 And I’d like to remind everybody that, you know, NIOLA is a
24:39 suggestion,
24:40 but if we feel as a district that we want to move in a direction,
24:43 we can do that also.
24:43 Well, if it’s in line with statute.
24:46 Right, if it’s not as long as statute.
24:47 And I think this one is going to be state rule statute.
24:49 That’s why.
24:49 And they, they, there is a technical assistance paper where they
24:52 are very clear
24:53 on what a child would need to score at in which to show that
24:57 they’re ready to attack
24:59 fourth grade.
24:59 Right.
24:59 You know, with the skills needed.
25:01 Thank you.
25:01 You’re welcome.
25:03 Ms. Harris.
25:04 Yes.
25:04 Thank you.
25:04 Did you let her move?
25:05 Because she was on point.
25:06 I didn’t, but I, I had a feeling she, this is her wheelhouse.
25:10 Like that was awesome.
25:11 You came up and just nailed it.
25:12 So thank you.
25:13 I do believe that language is still in the, the 2023 NIOLA
25:17 update.
25:18 So that’s probably something Ms. Harris will need to look at as
25:20 staff reviews the policy.
25:22 Thank you.
25:23 Mr. Susan, we’re having trouble hearing you.
25:25 So I just want to make sure you, you’re on.
25:27 It’s on.
25:28 Thank you.
25:28 I just got to yell real loud.
25:30 He’s using his soft voice.
25:30 I’m trying, I’m trying not to be overly loud.
25:33 He only has, he has two gears, really soft and really loud.
25:36 I have one in between.
25:37 So.
25:39 I miss Campbell real fast just because I’m trying to find, I’m
25:42 trying to find this most recent
25:43 2023 group because the NIOLA templates that are sent to us, they
25:46 say.
25:46 Do you want me to email it to me really quick?
25:47 Yeah, until June of 2023.
25:49 So I’m, I’m kind of pinging between two different sets of
25:52 templates here.
25:54 No, it was sent by Ronna.
25:57 Okay.
25:58 I’m like, why can I not find this?
25:59 Who am I looking for?
26:00 Give me a second and I will.
26:02 Thank you.
26:02 Sorry.
26:03 I just want to be on the same page so I can go between the two
26:05 and I’m.
26:05 I have to go find the email again because it was another zip
26:07 file.
26:08 Okay.
26:09 I’ll forward it to everyone right now.
26:11 Oh, do you have it?
26:11 Oh, I see it.
26:12 It’s on 720.
26:12 Okay.
26:13 I got it.
26:13 Hang on.
26:14 She sent this.
26:15 Yeah, that’ll be a good one to have open.
26:17 I mean, there’s, because there are quite a few that we’re going
26:19 to be looking at today.
26:20 I don’t know, probably like 10.
26:21 I say, I say I got it, but where the heck is this?
26:25 Can you, there’s no attachment to it.
26:30 I’m kidding.
26:32 I wouldn’t be able to have a lot.
26:33 This is how I have to do this.
26:35 In regards to the new NEOLA templates and stuff like that, I
26:39 think that those are great.
26:41 Oh, Allison just sent it to us at 913.
26:43 Sorry.
26:43 Thank you, Allison.
26:44 But what I was going to say is, is that if we are reviewing the
26:49 NEOLA templates currently
26:51 and trying to figure out what’s state law and what’s not state
26:55 law, what I would do is,
26:56 is ask everybody that what we could do is if you have any
27:00 changes that you wish to go through,
27:02 that would be great to make those changes and make suggestions
27:05 to staff,
27:06 but have staff get between the two updated NEOLA template with
27:10 the reviews of what we have
27:11 and everything else.
27:12 Does that make sense?
27:13 So, like, reviewing these is great, but if there’s a need for an
27:16 update,
27:16 I think we also need to just tell staff to take the review.
27:19 That’s all.
27:20 But if you have something that we have that we really want to
27:22 look at,
27:22 then that’d be great, too.
27:23 All right.
27:25 To your point, Sue, that even the newest update still has that
27:28 exact same language.
27:29 So, I think what’s changed then, what she’s sharing is the way
27:32 that we’re doing it,
27:33 which is delineated.
27:34 So, that’s good.
27:35 All right.
27:35 I’m ready.
27:36 All right.
27:37 Mr. Susan.
27:37 Yeah.
27:39 All right.
27:41 I’m pulling up what she just said.
27:44 I know.
27:44 You have to go between two, so it’s a little more confusing.
27:46 No, it’s fine.
27:47 It’s just part of it.
27:50 All right.
27:51 So, does anybody else have anything for 5410.01, promotion,
27:55 replacement, and retention?
27:56 Does anybody else have one?
27:58 Nope.
28:01 All right.
28:01 Moving on.
28:02 5420.
28:03 We had conversations.
28:06 It’s reporting student progress.
28:07 Are we good on that one?
28:08 That has some 22 and 23 updates.
28:12 Yep.
28:12 It has updates.
28:12 Does anybody have anything, though, that they feel, based upon
28:16 the review of the policies
28:17 that we needed to add, or are you okay with staff looking at our
28:21 procedures and bringing
28:22 back a recommendation?
28:23 I originally, and I’m going to, I withdrew it.
28:27 I originally was, because several of these coming up refer to
28:30 the student, what’s SPP stand
28:36 board, student progression plan, and it’s incorporated by
28:40 reference, and you can find that.
28:42 But we, so I was originally like, oh, let’s put a hot link in
28:45 there.
28:46 But then I totally changed my mind, because it’s so many, and
28:48 because that comes before
28:49 us every single year.
28:51 We, we, we are given that and then vote on it, approve it every
28:55 single year.
28:56 So, but just FYI, if you see that, that’s that we, we, I don’t
29:00 remember if we revised
29:02 it in May or June, but that comes back to us every, every year
29:06 for the next year, with
29:08 all the updates in the legislature and any other changes that we
29:10 make.
29:11 So, yeah, I, I’m, I’m just going to speak about this one for
29:15 just a quick second, because
29:16 as a parent who has a child that’s in middle school, this is, I
29:19 think, very exciting because
29:20 the annual report to parents, the new NEOLA template is, is
29:23 giving us this.
29:24 But one of the struggles, I think a lot of parents, and I’ve
29:26 talked to a lot of parents
29:27 about this, there seems to be a lack of communication when
29:29 middle school hits, because there is a sense
29:31 of responsibility for that child to start advocating for
29:33 themselves and telling their parents,
29:34 hey, I got my progress report, here it is.
29:36 And so that doesn’t happen always.
29:39 Some students for different reasons just don’t, but this now
29:42 will mandate us to have
29:43 it web-based and in paper form to the parent is how I’m reading
29:46 this policy to state.
29:47 So it’ll be a little bit more work for us, but I think overall
29:50 it’ll help our parents be
29:51 more up to date with what’s going on if they’re not checking the
29:54 focus app, which I’m going
29:55 to plug that thing, parents get on the focus app, that thing is
29:58 amazing.
29:58 It tells you every day what’s going on with your student.
30:00 So if you’re not using it, get it.
30:02 If you don’t know how to get it, contact your school, they’ll
30:04 walk you through it.
30:04 We have directions on the website as well.
30:07 It’s very, very, very beneficial.
30:09 Yeah, and I will tell you, my kids went to an elementary school
30:13 that was kind of rare
30:15 at the time, even back when we were on, what was it, Edline,
30:17 that they always sent out report
30:20 cards digitally.
30:21 And so I was used to it.
30:23 And actually, when they got to middle school and high school,
30:26 and we didn’t have an easy
30:27 to find report card, report card.
30:29 I always find them in focus.
30:30 I can find the progress report.
30:31 But then if I have to wait to, you know, middle schoolers and
30:33 high schoolers aren’t letting
30:34 you search through their backpacks.
30:36 I mean, they are, but you know, like, I don’t want to have to go
30:37 through the stinky backpack
30:39 to find the report card.
30:41 So I, if we can have, if we’re already doing that, just
30:44 something, because, and when I see
30:46 the paper version, it doesn’t look like what I can find.
30:49 So if there is that, are we already doing that?
30:52 I’m looking at Russell Cheatham where there’s, where I can see
30:55 the same thing that my kids
30:56 have in paper online.
30:59 Okay, thank you.
31:00 That’s awesome.
31:01 No more stinky backpack searches for me.
31:04 No, the stinky backpack will still be there.
31:06 You just won’t have to go through it.
31:07 Right.
31:08 So in regards to this policy, does anybody have anything that
31:12 they wish to add to it?
31:13 Or are we okay with staff reviewing it and looking at the new MIOLA?
31:17 Yep.
31:18 We’re good there?
31:18 Yep.
31:19 Good there.
31:19 All right, so moving on to five, what is this one?
31:23 Five, four, one, zero, five, four, one, zero point zero one
31:27 promotion, placement, and retention.
31:29 I thought we’re on 5421.
31:31 We should be on.
31:32 54, all right, I bounced around that.
31:34 We should be on 5421.
31:35 So 5421, you got two versions.
31:37 The first version is kind of what we followed, but it’s missing
31:41 E in the update.
31:42 If you guys take a look at that, let me pull it up here.
31:45 I was looking at it last night.
31:48 Yeah, so you’ve got a couple of components that are part of the
31:51 new MIOLA update.
31:53 This was last updated and revised in 18.
31:56 MIOLA did their last revisement in 2002, according to it.
31:59 But I wonder if there’s an opportunity for us to hand this to
32:04 staff and have them review it
32:05 and bring it back, and if anybody has anything they’d like to
32:07 add.
32:07 We’re missing C or D on MIOLA’s.
32:10 Provides for a pass.
32:11 They pushed R, D down to E.
32:13 Yeah.
32:14 And maybe we don’t have that because we don’t have a pass-fail
32:17 program.
32:19 Well, I think that’s what I’d say.
32:22 If staff can evaluate it for all of our programs and let us know,
32:25 but if there’s any board members
32:27 that wish to add anything or say anything, I think what you guys
32:30 had just, the conversation
32:31 you guys just had was great tying that in.
32:34 Does anybody wish to add anything to this policy?
32:35 But I think we’re sticking.
32:36 Unless you just want to go with version two that says we’re
32:38 going to comply with state.
32:39 Version two is a little simpler, that’s for sure.
32:42 It is, I would give staff the opportunity to go either way if
32:45 the board members are okay
32:46 with that, the two versions, either way.
32:50 Are you guys okay with that, Ms. Campbell?
32:52 Yeah, I didn’t have any additions from this one, so if other
32:56 people were going to bring
32:57 them, that’s fine.
32:57 But I didn’t have any suggestions for this one.
32:59 Ms. Jenkins?
33:00 Okay.
33:01 With that, the next one is, so the next one in our book is 5430,
33:08 but the next one inside
33:10 of our NEOLA updates is 5421.01 grade forgiveness.
33:14 If you guys are able to pull that up and take a look at it, it
33:18 talks about, you know, may replace
33:21 a grade of DRF at the equivalent grade of DRF.
33:24 I have no idea what that means.
33:26 For required courses, a grade of C or higher is the equivalent
33:30 of a grade of C or higher
33:31 earned subsequently in comparable courses.
33:32 Accident forgiveness.
33:33 So basically, if you failed, you made a DRF in a class and then
33:38 you take it again, then rather
33:41 than both of them counting in your GPA, only the second one, if
33:44 you pass it, will count your GPA.
33:46 And I don’t know that we do that.
33:47 We don’t.
33:49 So this would be implementing, this is a big conversation we’d
33:51 have to have.
33:52 I’m not interested in adding this policy necessarily, but I mean,
33:56 if staff won’t,
33:56 you know, if we want to talk about it, but that this would be a
33:59 big change from the way
34:00 we’ve done things in the past.
34:02 I’ll be honest with you.
34:04 I think if somebody comes forward and passes the class at a
34:07 better grade, that we should
34:08 replace the one that they had, but I’m open to comment.
34:11 Yeah, I guess I can’t see the downside of why we wouldn’t say
34:14 that.
34:14 Why would we say, hey, I mean, because you could have a kid who
34:16 just was really struggling
34:17 that semester, something’s going on in their life and they come
34:19 back and they’re like,
34:20 hey, I’m in this, I’m taking Spanish, I’m fully invested, I want
34:23 to get a better grade.
34:24 So I don’t know why we would say, oh, we got to average them.
34:27 Well, and our educational theory is, is that if a student, we
34:30 work towards mastery, right?
34:32 So if a student isn’t able to get to it at a certain time, we’re
34:35 able to come back.
34:35 And if, once that student obtains that, we have it.
34:38 So I’m in favor of moving towards replacing it, but I would love
34:42 to hear from staff.
34:43 Yeah, just because this is a big conversation.
34:46 Yeah, no, no, great point.
34:46 I might absolutely oppose it as this is something, if we say, oh,
34:50 we want to have this policy,
34:51 we’re making huge changes.
34:53 I know teachers who practice this.
34:55 One of my girls, the best algebra and geometry teacher, he did
35:00 that, you know,
35:01 if you could just keep working on it.
35:03 And it was definitely a mastery learning situation within his
35:07 course.
35:08 But for us to do this on the district wide level, it would be.
35:11 I guess I would just want to hear from staff on what the
35:14 downside to this would be
35:15 or what the reality of implementing something like this would
35:18 look like.
35:18 And then the B is complicated, too, because if you’re taking,
35:25 some of it is swapping out,
35:26 like, for another course, a comparable course.
35:28 Yep.
35:28 So that needs to be looked at.
35:30 Yep.
35:30 Because it doesn’t, like, if you, it’s.
35:32 I wouldn’t be in favor of doing that.
35:34 I’m saying if you mastered the same course, I think that’s the
35:36 better route to go.
35:37 If you, as opposed to saying a comparable course, that’s a
35:40 little.
35:41 Here’s, here’s what we do have, just so you guys know, is in
35:44 some cases,
35:44 kids can take a CTE course, and that covers the requirement for
35:48 a math course.
35:49 So just so you know, so, like, a lot of students will take
35:53 certain CTE courses to,
35:55 because they can do better in there than some of the other math
35:57 courses.
35:58 I know that that was at Elgali when I came across that.
36:00 So I think this is a deep, like you said, Ms. Campbell
36:03 conversation.
36:04 So if you guys would like to have that with staff,
36:06 I think we might be able to bring that back.
36:08 But Mr. Trent?
36:11 Yeah, I believe that is a conversation that we’d have to take
36:15 maybe a little bit deeper.
36:16 I’m sure we have all our own look on that.
36:20 You know, I don’t know when that conversation will take place.
36:24 I’m always for exact same course, different grade, take the, you
36:27 know, the better grade.
36:28 But when you start saying equivalent, I just say that’s a lot of
36:31 gray area.
36:32 It’s interesting.
36:33 I just linked the statute.
36:34 So here’s what statute says.
36:36 Each district school board shall adopt policies designed to
36:39 assist students in meeting graduation
36:41 requirements, including grade forgiveness policies.
36:43 It doesn’t tell us how we have to do it, but except it has some
36:45 minimums.
36:46 Forgiveness policies for required courses shall be limited to
36:50 replacing a grade of D or F
36:52 with a grade of C or higher earned subsequently in the same or
36:55 comparable course.
36:56 So that language is in statute.
36:57 Forgiveness policies for elective courses shall be limited to
37:00 replacing a grade of D or F
37:01 with a grade of C or higher earned subsequently in another
37:04 course.
37:04 The only exception to these forgiveness policies shall be made
37:07 for a student in the middle
37:08 grades who takes any high school course.
37:09 And basically it’s this policy almost word for word.
37:16 In all cases of grade forgiveness, only the new grade shall be
37:19 used
37:19 in the calculations of the student’s GPA.
37:21 Any course grade not replaced according to the district school
37:24 board forgiveness policy
37:25 shall be included in the calculation of the grade point average
37:28 for graduation.
37:29 So it sounds like we kind of–
37:30 It’s verbatim.
37:30 We need to have this one.
37:31 Yeah, it sounds like we need to have this one.
37:33 It sounds like this is one that we can skip over.
37:34 And you just read verbatim what the has, but we still want staff
37:39 to review it for any kind
37:40 of additions or issues that we have.
37:42 But I think this is one we all agree to put in.
37:44 Yeah, absolutely.
37:45 Ms. Campbell, do you have anything else you’d like to say on it?
37:47 No.
37:47 Okay.
37:48 So that’s 5421.01.
37:53 Paul, I guess staff review of it, but implementation basically
37:56 because it’s state law.
37:57 And does it say on that statute when that became state law by
38:01 any chance?
38:02 Could you take a look at the bottom?
38:03 It’s not going to show you exactly which sections are updated,
38:06 though.
38:06 It’ll tell you the sections.
38:07 The last day was updated in ‘22.
38:09 Okay.
38:10 Maybe you just have to look at the law in Florida, the full
38:14 sections.
38:14 But it’s, let’s see.
38:14 It’ll be good.
38:15 All right.
38:16 It’s not just something to doodly note.
38:19 All right.
38:20 So the next one is 5430.
38:21 We have currently class rank where we have a pretty short one.
38:26 Last time we updated it was 2018.
38:29 The Neola template has updated it.
38:33 Last modified in April 27th of 2023.
38:36 There’s a series of extra things that I think are on here.
38:39 Does anybody wish to have any conversation wrapped around adding
38:42 any of it?
38:42 Or do we want to?
38:43 Which one are you on?
38:43 5430 class rank.
38:44 Yes.
38:44 Okay.
38:45 I’m only seeing a 2002 update.
38:50 Right.
38:51 But if you look at 5430 class rank with the Neola update, there’s
38:56 a significant amount of extra
38:58 stuff.
38:59 So if it’s referencing a Florida statute and it was, they said
39:03 the last time they modified
39:05 it was 23.
39:06 So I think that being the fact that there’s more here, I was
39:08 asking.
39:09 Where are you saying the last time they modified it was 23?
39:11 Right here.
39:12 It says last modified by Tammy Stover on April 27th.
39:14 That’s when she pulled them.
39:15 Right.
39:15 When she pulled them.
39:16 There’s no changes made yet.
39:17 But the issue is, is that there’s other opportunities on the
39:20 policy that are here.
39:21 So it’s not, this may be something that was in the Neola policy
39:24 back since 2002, but there’s
39:26 opportunities here for us to make changes because Neola’s
39:29 offering them.
39:29 We currently, you know, ours is two sentences.
39:33 This is significantly larger to include adding some other
39:36 options.
39:37 That’s all right.
39:37 I think part of that is because if you look at ours is
39:40 incorporated in the student progression
39:42 plan.
39:42 So of how we do class rank.
39:44 So this is, um, if we want to list it out and policy and, and,
39:49 and in the student progression
39:51 plan, we could do that.
39:52 Um, but I think this, what our, what we’ve got here is just.
39:56 We’re going to put it in the student progression plan, which
39:58 comes before us every single year.
40:00 Um, there’s just different ways of doing it.
40:03 We haven’t done valedictorian, salutatorian type thing.
40:06 And that those are options that districts can use.
40:08 Right.
40:09 Ours is a Brevard adoptive policy.
40:12 You can tell on our policy, it says copywritten by Brevard.
40:15 So we didn’t go with Neola.
40:17 And so basically you’re a hundred percent right.
40:20 It’s in the student progression plan.
40:22 What my, my role was, was to ask if anybody in here wishes to
40:25 add any of these options.
40:26 To our current progression plan, if they reviewed it, if not, we
40:31 can keep it the same way we
40:32 have, as Paul stated, we have our own stamp.
40:34 And like you said, we review the progression plan every year.
40:37 Right.
40:38 So if any of these, um, are, uh, if you guys wish to change any
40:43 of these up to it, that’d be great.
40:44 If not, we can move on.
40:45 What’s the will of the board?
40:48 Anybody have any issues?
40:49 Ms. Jenkins.
40:50 Mr. Trent.
40:52 No, no, no, no.
40:53 We can move on.
40:54 We can leave it the same way it is.
40:55 Just check to make sure that we’re not needing any updates.
40:58 Right.
40:59 And just, I think I would recommend linking the student
41:01 progression plan to this.
41:02 Absolutely.
41:03 Oh, that’s what I was saying earlier, except for it’s in about
41:06 eight policies.
41:08 Well, I mean, if you link, if you just put the hyperlink there
41:10 though, it just helps somebody find it
41:12 easier if I’m looking for it.
41:13 So I can’t see the harm in adding that to the bottom of it just
41:15 so that would we have to change or would
41:19 that even have to come to us?
41:20 Just a link?
41:21 No, that would be technical.
41:22 It still comes to the board.
41:23 It just goes on consent.
41:24 Okay.
41:25 And look, and I think anything that’s referenced inside of our
41:29 policies, we should link to.
41:30 I mean, just in general, right?
41:32 Like if we’re linking that we have that this is approved by the
41:34 student progression plan,
41:36 we should link to the student progression.
41:37 Right.
41:38 So parents know how to get there.
41:39 You’re absolutely right.
41:39 Do you want me to list you the policies?
41:42 Just shoot an email.
41:43 That might be an email.
41:44 Just email me.
41:44 Okay.
41:45 It’s going to be a few.
41:46 Because there were at least six or seven.
41:49 Yep.
41:50 If we’re okay, adding the student progression plan link and
41:53 having staff review 5430 class rank,
41:56 that’d be great.
41:57 Is everybody okay with that?
41:57 All right.
41:59 Moving on 5440.
42:01 Let me make sure that we don’t have another one here.
42:04 This is like trying to dance.
42:05 Yep.
42:05 Okay.
42:06 So 5440, the newly updated policy is.
42:09 Oh, is that the newly updated one?
42:11 Yeah.
42:11 We’ve got ours was updated and revised in 14.
42:15 Neola updated in 2004.
42:17 Does anybody, you know, I’m taking a look at this.
42:21 There’s two options that we have inside here that the board
42:25 delegates and stuff like that.
42:27 Does anybody wish to add any of the things you see up on the
42:31 updated Neola?
42:32 Or do you wish to keep it the same way?
42:33 I like how it is.
42:35 Okay.
42:36 Yeah, I don’t have a problem with how it is right now.
42:38 Mm-hmm.
42:39 We good?
42:39 Yeah.
42:40 Mr. Trent, Mr. Jenkins.
42:41 Okay.
42:42 Paul, I would just say, I have somebody to just review it and
42:45 make sure we’re good.
42:45 Okay.
42:46 I’m sorry.
42:46 I didn’t hear.
42:47 Could you repeat that?
42:47 You’re leaving it as is with our policy?
42:49 Yes, Ms. Ann.
42:50 We want to leave it as is, but if staff has any recommendations,
42:53 they can make those additions.
42:55 All right.
42:57 Going on to the next one, 5451, student recognition.
43:02 This hasn’t been touched in a minute.
43:04 Yeah.
43:04 So this one has had a recent, has a more recent update than ours.
43:08 The couple of things we need to look at the second paragraph of
43:11 Neola
43:12 says the board authorizes the superintendent to build a plan for
43:19 recognition of outstanding student
43:20 achievement and our policy says the principal.
43:23 So, I mean, I don’t, you know, if, if we, so that was just one
43:28 thing to take a look at.
43:30 I don’t think that’s necessarily statute, just what we want to
43:32 put in there.
43:33 If we, there are three options.
43:35 Also, if we add an option, we don’t have to add any of them.
43:38 But if we did add an option, the only one I really liked was
43:41 three about the college and
43:42 career decision day.
43:43 But I would prefer before if I would prefer actually to leave it
43:47 up to the schools because
43:48 each school has their own kind of version of this.
43:51 And if we put in policy, then we’re kind of dictating thou shalt
43:54 do it this way.
43:55 But a lot of our schools are doing that.
43:58 They’re calling it something different, like a signing day.
44:00 And I did, you know, I would prefer that if we feel like we
44:06 needed to add something,
44:06 I prefer that over two because I feel like, especially if we’re
44:09 putting emphasis on it,
44:10 it doesn’t have to be college or so there’s path to success.
44:12 I would definitely want it to be a both, which is what a lot of
44:15 our schools are doing, those signings.
44:17 They even have, I think some of them, we do like military
44:19 signing days and, you know, all the options.
44:21 So, Ms. Campbell, I agree with you 100%.
44:24 I think the only thing that we should have is a communications
44:27 plan that ties all of them
44:28 to something so that, like, regardless of how the actual school
44:31 does it, that we have a way of
44:34 honoring those on a larger level.
44:36 So that, like, on, say, military signing day, some of the other
44:39 schools would all sign on that day,
44:41 regardless of how they do it, and then they would be able to
44:43 bring it forward.
44:44 And we could make an event out of that, and we could have a
44:46 college signing day.
44:47 You know what I mean?
44:48 Like, I think that would be the only thing that I care about in
44:51 that component, but I agree with you.
44:52 I like that one, but I would also say each school has a
44:55 different way of doing it, so.
44:57 Yeah.
44:57 So I wouldn’t necessarily want to put in a policy.
45:00 Yep.
45:00 No, I think it’s smart to leave it with the principal as opposed
45:03 to the superintendent,
45:04 just because that gives them the school-based decision making.
45:07 And I don’t, I am with Ms. Campbell on this one, and I like the
45:11 fact that,
45:11 I like three of the best, honestly.
45:13 And the fact that the two Florida statutes that are recognized
45:15 in the new Neola update
45:17 are completely separate than the one that’s actually inside of
45:20 our policy,
45:21 and the fact that there’s some other verbiage,
45:23 I would just like staff to review it to make sure that we’re up
45:25 to date moving forward.
45:27 Does that sound good?
45:27 Yeah.
45:28 So we’re, just to clarify, we’re not requesting any changes,
45:30 but I want them to take a look just in case.
45:34 Well, I think, like, there’s literally referencing two new statutes
45:37 that we don’t even have in ours,
45:38 just to have staff review it to make sure that we’re within line
45:40 and come back to the recommendation.
45:43 Yeah, 5460 seems to be our next policy.
45:47 It’s also the next policy on the Neola.
45:49 It’s called graduation requirements.
45:51 And that one was one of the updated ones from Neola.
45:53 This needs to go to staff.
45:54 Yeah.
45:55 It’s much more detailed.
45:56 Yes.
45:57 Wait, wait, do you see how many?
45:58 It’s 13 pages long.
45:59 Yeah, do you see how many?
46:01 FYI.
46:02 I will say this, though, and this may be where a hyperlink could
46:05 be helpful.
46:06 From what I looked, from what I originally, you know, just
46:09 screening through it,
46:11 a lot of the detail is in this, is in our student progression
46:16 plan that, again, we vote on every
46:17 year.
46:17 So it may be a matter because we, our policy adopts, it
46:21 incorporates it by reference.
46:23 And especially if we put the link, we may not have to have all
46:25 this, the credits and all of that,
46:28 because it’s, we’re adopting our student progression plan.
46:31 Yeah, I’m not opposed to doing that.
46:33 Honestly, I think that’s an easier solution to just link the
46:35 student progression plan and not type
46:36 out a 13 page policy.
46:38 Right.
46:38 And then it’s updated every year with the changes and all of
46:41 that.
46:42 And then I also would say we should probably add, what, 10 or 11
46:46 statutes that have come on
46:48 since the last time we updated this.
46:50 If you look at the bottom, there’s, yeah, there’s references to
46:53 all of them.
46:55 So there’s about 10 more.
46:56 We haven’t updated this since 2007.
46:58 So if we can have staff look at it and then add those statutes
47:01 and make sure that we’re
47:02 within line, I think that’d be great.
47:03 All good.
47:05 Anybody else have anything on graduation requirements?
47:08 All right, moving on.
47:11 5, 4, 6, 0.01 graduation requirements for transfer students.
47:15 If you take a look at the NEOLA update that we have currently,
47:22 it was last updated in 2016.
47:24 Ours was updated in 2018 with the revision.
47:26 Yeah.
47:27 It’s identical.
47:28 Yeah.
47:29 All of the stuff is identical here.
47:31 I don’t think that there’s any issues.
47:33 The verbiage is a little different in the most recent, but the
47:35 issue is, is that, you know what I mean,
47:38 we might be able to, it says, the student progression plan
47:40 adopted for the school is incorporated by
47:41 reference and can be found in the district’s website.
47:43 We should put the reference plan in there, like we were saying,
47:46 one of the other tags.
47:47 And then I think we, you know, hand it to staff and see if they
47:50 have any additions.
47:51 And if not, but does anybody wish to have anything added to it?
47:54 No.
47:56 All right.
47:56 Moving on to the next one, which is, let me make sure he’s here
48:01 because I think there’s a
48:03 five, four, six, three credits from other schools.
48:07 You have ours, which was updated in 2013.
48:11 NEOLA’s was 2013.
48:13 Seems like it’s identical on the actual statutes.
48:15 And it seems like it’s pretty close to what we have, right?
48:21 There’s a couple of verbiage in the center that needs to be in
48:23 there.
48:23 And we don’t have our student progression plan noted inside of
48:27 it.
48:27 Does anybody else wish to add anything to this, to this policy?
48:30 I didn’t have any.
48:33 No, I didn’t have anything.
48:33 Okay.
48:34 So just have staff review it to make sure that the verbiage that’s
48:37 in the center,
48:37 we don’t want that.
48:38 Make sure we add the student progression plan and move on.
48:41 Everybody good?
48:42 All right.
48:44 Next one is five, four, six, four accelerated graduation or
48:50 early graduation,
48:51 depending on which one you look at.
48:53 Looks like NEOLA updated in ‘16.
48:55 We haven’t updated since ‘14.
48:57 And the old NEOLA that we have is 2002.
49:00 There are some updates.
49:02 Also, if we want, I don’t, I wouldn’t mind the title change if
49:07 we’re going to do it.
49:08 And then also this was one of the ones that needs administrative
49:12 procedures.
49:13 When you say title change, what are you?
49:15 Accelerated to early.
49:16 Well, ours is early graduation.
49:17 Okay.
49:17 And the other option is accelerated graduation options.
49:20 So I wouldn’t mind swapping that out.
49:24 If we’re going to, I don’t want to bring the policy revisions
49:29 just for the title.
49:30 But yeah.
49:31 And like I said, this one is one that we said we would have
49:35 administrative procedure.
49:36 So I’d like to bring, this was one that I wanted to talk a
49:40 little bit about.
49:41 There’s an issue that I wanted to kind of bring up.
49:43 But before I get to that, we’re all okay with staff taking a
49:46 look at from a perspective.
49:48 Because I think like the statutes that are referenced are also
49:51 like,
49:51 there’s an extra statute in there, right?
49:53 So we need staff to review it for fidelity of law.
49:55 But what I wanted to do is just talk in general.
49:59 When I was teaching at Space Coast High School,
50:01 I had a student who, she went through a rough time.
50:04 So she was sexually molested.
50:08 And then she found her father committed suicide within about a
50:11 two-week period of each other.
50:13 And she came to me crying.
50:15 And she said that she wanted to be the first kid to graduate in
50:19 the county.
50:20 She wanted to be the youngest kid to graduate ever from Brevard
50:22 County Schools.
50:23 And so what she did was I put her on a plan to graduate early.
50:27 She took a bunch of classes over the summer.
50:29 She doubled up on classes and just basically worked it out.
50:33 And then the school district put a stall on her to not graduate
50:36 before she could get to a certain age and stuff like that.
50:39 So one of the issues I’d like to do is work with staff to make
50:43 sure
50:43 that if there’s a kid that wants to graduate early and they
50:45 double up,
50:46 what those rules and regulations are.
50:48 But I would – I mean, if there’s a kid that has a desire to get
50:51 done and move,
50:52 we shouldn’t hold them to – at the time,
50:55 I felt like it was an FTE issue where they wanted to continue
50:58 with the FTE.
51:00 That’s not credible.
51:01 This was 2000 – 2007.
51:04 So I just feel like going back to her and I still know her name.
51:08 I still talk to her every once in a while.
51:10 She’s doing great.
51:11 But, you know, she wanted to go and we were holding her back.
51:14 So I just would like the ability to be able to talk with staff
51:17 before they bring us back
51:19 to see if there’s a way that if that happens again,
51:20 that we don’t have somebody getting blocked.
51:22 Yeah.
51:22 It went all the way to the superintendent.
51:24 Yeah.
51:24 I would hate to see that we were blocking someone from being
51:26 able to graduate early
51:27 if they were working hard to get there.
51:29 So I think – go ahead.
51:31 Sorry.
51:32 We see things across the state all the time.
51:34 I’ll see them show up where it’s like, you know,
51:35 this 13-year-old graduated from high school or, you know,
51:38 they’re very rare, very rare that it happens that way.
51:40 But honestly, I think that’s really great for someone who’s
51:42 working so diligently.
51:43 So I would not be opposed to doing that same.
51:46 I think in today’s – you know, we have to consider all the
51:50 options
51:51 and let families consider all the options.
51:53 I do – I do understand the FTE thing because if we do –
51:55 if they graduate early, then the next year,
51:57 we’re not getting the money for that student, right?
51:59 But I have – I have been aware of staff kind of talking a
52:05 family out of this
52:06 because of a dual enrollment situation.
52:09 They need to – we need to make sure they understand all their
52:11 options.
52:11 There was a student who had enough credits, could have – could
52:14 have graduated early,
52:15 but if their plan was already to do like EFSC,
52:18 if they graduated early and went into EFSC, they’re paying for
52:21 it.
52:21 Right.
52:21 If you didn’t graduate early and they’re taking advantage of
52:24 dual enrollment,
52:25 then it’s getting paid for.
52:26 So it’s – sometimes it’s – it’s a matter of making sure that
52:29 the parents
52:30 and the students are aware of all their options, you know,
52:33 because there are some options that if you do graduate early,
52:36 that’s –
52:36 Yeah.
52:37 That’s not – that option is not available to you.
52:40 So, you know, I don’t – I don’t like it when we’re like putting
52:43 kids in three PE classes
52:44 and whatever just to kind of finish out their schedule for the
52:46 year.
52:46 But – but I think it would be good to make sure that they
52:51 understand all the things
52:52 that are – they have accessible to them.
52:56 I did – in a completely unrelated conversation, I think I was
53:01 talking to somebody,
53:02 I don’t know, maybe it was Tara, about if they graduate early –
53:05 oh, no, no.
53:06 It was Dr. Rendell.
53:07 If they graduate early, they still get counted in their cohort,
53:10 right?
53:10 So it’s – as far as our graduation rates,
53:12 it is not a negative on our graduation rates.
53:15 Right.
53:15 For someone who graduates before the four years.
53:18 Yeah.
53:22 I think – I think those are all great conversations to have.
53:25 I just – my whole component was, hey, let’s have this
53:28 conversation.
53:29 And if there’s some barriers, then I totally understand.
53:32 But it was a – it was a pretty interesting battle that I went
53:35 through in 2007, and she won.
53:37 And she was the youngest kid at the time to ever graduate from
53:39 Brevard.
53:40 So I just didn’t want everyone to have to have a parent go
53:42 through that that can’t get a hold of us.
53:43 Yeah, I don’t disagree.
53:44 I think – I think you can do both.
53:46 We can – if that child’s able to graduate, absolutely.
53:48 And I think we can counsel that family on the options that are
53:50 available to them
53:51 and the pros and cons to each route so that they know and they
53:54 don’t miss another opportunity
53:55 because they’re choosing the early graduation.
53:57 I don’t disagree with what Ms. Campbell’s saying either.
53:59 But I would hate to see our district hold back somebody from
54:02 being able to graduate early
54:03 over an FTE issue.
54:04 I think that would be not in the best interest of the child.
54:07 And please don’t – I do not – you know what I mean?
54:10 I don’t think – that was never presented to that was what.
54:13 But I couldn’t think of anything else at the time.
54:15 So I just wanted to say, hey, if you guys would be willing to
54:19 kind of go with that motion
54:20 and let staff figure out a way.
54:21 Yeah, I support that.
54:22 But I think that that would be good.
54:23 Absolutely.
54:24 Everybody okay with that?
54:25 Yep.
54:25 And I like your idea about adding the name to becoming –
54:28 Accelerated.
54:30 Yeah.
54:30 Instead of early graduation.
54:31 Yeah.
54:31 So –
54:32 Although most people call it early graduation.
54:33 So I think the common term is not accelerated graduation.
54:36 It just sounds pretty cool.
54:37 Early graduation.
54:37 Accelerated sounds like I’ve got a vehicle and I’m hitting the
54:40 gas and let’s go.
54:41 All right.
54:43 So if everybody’s okay with that, just have staff review it with
54:45 a couple of those denotes
54:47 and then go on from there.
54:48 The next one is 5465.
54:51 If you guys take a look at this, our last update was 2016.
54:55 That is the same as the one here.
54:57 Seems to be pretty close to –
54:59 There’s a revision.
55:00 There’s a 2023 update.
55:01 And if you look at that, there’s a green –
55:03 the green language talks about students who are 16 years old not
55:08 having to take a course
55:09 before their GED examination.
55:10 And then so there’s that on the 2023 update, that’s the new
55:14 packet.
55:14 You don’t have to flip between two sets of policies right now.
55:17 So I have this.
55:18 Paul just emailed if you look in your –
55:19 Paul just emailed another one.
55:21 Okay.
55:21 Or I think it was – or maybe it was Allison this morning that
55:23 has the updated ones.
55:24 So you should have two folders going out.
55:26 Here we go.
55:26 There’s a little – it strikes out some outdated websites.
55:32 But it also has that little green section that has to do with
55:36 some GED rules.
55:40 That we’ll need to –
55:42 So this one has to be updated.
55:44 Yeah.
55:44 All right.
55:46 So we – does anybody wish to add anything to it?
55:48 No?
55:49 No.
55:50 We’re okay with staff reviewing it and bringing it back to us.
55:52 This is great.
55:54 All right.
55:54 Anybody else?
55:55 No?
55:56 All right.
55:57 Moving on.
55:58 5,500.
55:58 Now that I have this email, this is interesting.
56:00 Yeah.
56:01 I was going to say, that’s why it’s taking me a minute.
56:02 I’m going to go back and look over on this side and this side.
56:04 I’m like, okay.
56:05 If everybody that’s watching, the two people that are –
56:09 Just give me a second as we review this.
56:13 This is a Neola updated one.
56:14 So you want to –
56:15 Yeah.
56:15 This is the Neola.
56:16 We just passed this.
56:17 But there’s a lot of green.
56:19 There we go again.
56:20 Wow.
56:20 Look at all this fun stuff.
56:21 These have green in them.
56:22 There’s a lot of green.
56:23 That’s great.
56:24 All right.
56:24 So basically, there needs to be some major overhaul to this one.
56:27 But does anybody have anything inside of here that they wish to
56:31 kind of add to it?
56:32 Well, I wonder – they’ll have to take a look because – and see
56:35 what’s
56:35 optional and what’s required to put in the policy.
56:37 Because some of these are like definitions of things.
56:40 And we have all of that in the student code of conduct,
56:46 which I’m assuming we’re incorporating for reference,
56:48 which again comes to us every year.
56:49 But I – you know, I just want them to take a look at what do we
56:53 –
56:53 what has to be in here and what can be in our annual revision.
56:57 But there – yeah.
56:59 Like I said, there’s a lot of green.
57:00 There’s a lot.
57:00 So if you guys are okay and you don’t have anything that you
57:06 wish to add to it,
57:07 we can have staff work on it and then bring it back if that’s
57:09 okay?
57:10 Yep.
57:11 Okay.
57:11 Absolutely.
57:12 All right.
57:12 Moving on from 5,500.
57:16 The next one in our policy is 5511.
57:19 Which we just did this one.
57:20 Yep.
57:20 It should be good.
57:21 So we don’t – yeah, this one we went over already.
57:23 We just passed this one.
57:25 Okay.
57:25 So you guys are okay with what is inside of our dress and
57:30 grooming,
57:30 which is now something completely different than that.
57:33 Next one up is 5513 care of school property.
57:36 So we don’t have 5512, but we do have 3215, which we’ve already
57:52 taken a look at,
57:52 which was revised in 2022 also, which is our smoking and tobacco-free
57:59 environment policy.
58:01 So it’s the easiest policy in the world.
58:03 I mean, I know these are student policies, but that one is a
58:06 little more comprehensive
58:07 because it’s like, are everybody on all the camp, you know.
58:11 You rent a facility from us and you are not allowed to smoke on
58:14 our property.
58:14 That was always an issue.
58:15 Like the rec leagues would come in and they had like coaches
58:18 chewing tobacco on the sideline.
58:19 That’s, you know, you use our facilities, you’re not allowed to
58:21 do that.
58:21 So it would – if we put it in, it would be redundant.
58:25 I’m not saying we – but I went ahead and took a look last night
58:28 because I was like,
58:29 I know we have this policy in here.
58:30 Yeah, no, I love the way we already have it.
58:31 It’s almost – almost word for word pretty much the same.
58:36 And we did it – we revised it in 2022 when there were some
58:39 updates, so.
58:39 Okay.
58:40 All right.
58:43 So is everybody okay with that?
58:44 I – I guess – in this one, I’m in favor of the redundancy only
58:48 just because this is
58:49 really geared towards the students.
58:50 Okay.
58:51 I think – I – I feel like if a student was going to look at
58:57 this, they would go to the student
58:58 section and try to figure out what is the rule on this in their
59:00 area.
59:01 But that’s my personal opinion.
59:03 So I don’t know what the will of the board is.
59:04 But I would be in favor of adding this to the student section.
59:08 Okay.
59:09 Anybody else?
59:11 I’m okay with that.
59:13 We’re going to do that.
59:14 And let’s just make sure that they are all good and matchy-matchy,
59:18 you know,
59:18 except for where one might apply just to students or whatever.
59:21 But they need to be identical in every other aspect.
59:26 Yep.
59:27 All right.
59:29 Everybody good?
59:30 I agree with it.
59:30 Everybody move on from 5513.
59:33 Next one is –
59:35 5512 as well.
59:35 Yeah, 5512 we added.
59:37 5513 is the one that we – the next one up, which is care of
59:42 school property.
59:43 And let me see my 15 different open –
59:47 There is a 2023 update, but I’m looking at it.
59:51 And I don’t think we have to update because the update was
59:56 something that we don’t do.
59:59 It has to do with withholding report cards.
1:00:03 It has to do with withholding report cards for behavior, but our
1:00:04 policy doesn’t have that
1:00:06 because that was – the only thing that was changed is they
1:00:08 struck that part.
1:00:09 Right.
1:00:09 Our policy doesn’t include withholding a report card for
1:00:13 payments of fines.
1:00:14 That’s what it was.
1:00:14 Mm-hmm.
1:00:15 So we shouldn’t have to update except that we need an
1:00:19 administrative procedure
1:00:20 for this one because our policy says we’ll have one.
1:00:23 Mm-hmm.
1:00:23 Okay.
1:00:25 Everybody okay with that?
1:00:27 No.
1:00:28 Yep.
1:00:28 All right.
1:00:31 Moving on from 5513.
1:00:33 We’re moving on to 5515 on that.
1:00:36 Let me look and see if we’ve got anything over here.
1:00:38 There’s a 14 use of bicycles.
1:00:39 Of course there is.
1:00:40 Let me get to those.
1:00:41 5514 use of bicycles.
1:00:44 Yeah.
1:00:45 You’ve got motorized bicycles.
1:00:46 No.
1:00:46 We need to go say something about that.
1:00:48 We do not have any – I looked.
1:00:49 We don’t have any policies on bicycles.
1:00:51 The only time bicycle is mentioned is in our transportation
1:00:54 policy that we just passed.
1:00:55 There’s a little part about, you know, we’re going to have a
1:00:58 program sometime
1:00:59 of the year about safety and including – includes road safety,
1:01:03 whatever, bicycles, whatever.
1:01:04 So if we want to have a bicycle policy, there’s two options.
1:01:08 Either we’re not going to allow it, which I don’t think that’s
1:01:10 what we want.
1:01:10 Right.
1:01:11 Or this one little sentence.
1:01:13 I don’t know.
1:01:16 So here’s two things to take.
1:01:18 When I saw this, there’s two pieces.
1:01:20 There’s one, you have the motorized bicycles now.
1:01:21 So a lot of kids are riding them, right?
1:01:24 So do we allow the motorized bicycles to be parked if the kids
1:01:27 are using them for transporting
1:01:28 to the actual bicycle places?
1:01:31 But I like the fact that the use of bicycle policies here,
1:01:34 because that last line says the
1:01:36 board will not be responsible for bicycles which are lost,
1:01:38 stolen, or damaged.
1:01:39 Yeah.
1:01:39 If that’s nowhere to be found inside of our policies, that’s
1:01:43 something we would give
1:01:44 to ourselves.
1:01:44 Because I know for a fact we don’t when we tell them, but like
1:01:47 having it in policy so that they
1:01:49 can look at that, that would be good too.
1:01:50 So I’m okay with staff looking at this to see if they think they
1:01:53 need it.
1:01:54 And if they don’t, then they can pass it.
1:01:55 But it also gives us that layer of extra protection.
1:01:58 I think it’s absurd.
1:01:59 I’m just going to say this on this where I’m like, Neola, one of
1:02:02 these templates is saying that we
1:02:04 prohibit the use of bicycles to travel to and from school.
1:02:07 I’m like, I don’t really know how we would ever legally be able
1:02:10 to say that to someone.
1:02:11 I think that would probably have to do with your
1:02:13 county situation.
1:02:16 I mean, I guess they’re giving us the authority to be able to.
1:02:19 I would never, ever, ever exercise that authority.
1:02:22 Yeah, that would, that would be, I don’t know why anybody would
1:02:24 do that.
1:02:25 You might have a school that’s in a dangerous area and they don’t
1:02:27 want the kids to biking in.
1:02:29 Yeah, I don’t, I know, but I don’t know like anyways, I think we
1:02:33 should have a bicycle policy.
1:02:34 I think it covers us as a district.
1:02:36 If we, if we make sure we add the line in there that the board’s
1:02:38 not responsible for bicycles,
1:02:40 which are lost still under damaged.
1:02:41 It’s probably a really good time to discuss because we’ve had a
1:02:44 couple parents that have
1:02:45 come and spoke to us at board meetings about bicycle safety and
1:02:48 awareness and helmets.
1:02:49 And it’s probably a good reminder when we go ahead and look at
1:02:53 incorporating this policy that we,
1:02:55 we look at some of those educational tools out there because
1:02:57 there are kids that get hit by bicycle,
1:02:59 by a car on a bicycle that happens.
1:03:01 And that’s horrific when that happens.
1:03:03 And so whatever we can do.
1:03:05 I think it’s actually included in the PE curriculum for
1:03:11 elementary.
1:03:12 The Space Coast Transportation Planning Organization partners
1:03:15 with us.
1:03:15 They do a lot of bicycle, pedestrian safety education.
1:03:19 So there’s quite a bit that goes on in our schools.
1:03:21 I love watching her come.
1:03:22 She comes and does all those trainings and everything else.
1:03:24 They even like bring a trailer full of bikes, right?
1:03:26 Yeah.
1:03:26 And helmets.
1:03:27 I don’t remember.
1:03:27 Helmet giveaways, all those things.
1:03:29 Yeah.
1:03:30 And our, like our West Melbourne Police Department does a day
1:03:32 too, where they’ll give away bikes.
1:03:34 I mean, not bikes.
1:03:35 That would be nice.
1:03:37 They’re like, whoa, whoa, whoa.
1:03:37 What are you saying?
1:03:38 Be careful there.
1:03:39 Helmets.
1:03:41 Sorry.
1:03:42 No, it’s a great point.
1:03:43 Our Sheriff’s Office does that during the holidays.
1:03:46 The handlebars for the, handlebars for the holidays.
1:03:49 Is that right?
1:03:50 I don’t know.
1:03:50 It’s something like that where they give away a lot of bikes and
1:03:52 helmets.
1:03:52 Very cool with that.
1:03:53 For the clarity of the liability, I think that would probably be.
1:03:58 Yep.
1:03:59 I think that would be good if we’re allowed to do that.
1:04:00 I would ask staff though to review it and then bring it back if
1:04:03 that’s okay.
1:04:03 And then with the understanding that I don’t know if we want to
1:04:07 allow somebody to have those
1:04:08 motorized bikes, bicycles, because a kid might come out of there
1:04:11 pretty quick.
1:04:11 And you know, they do, they’re starting to pick up.
1:04:13 Like I got one kid that zimps by me going 20 miles an hour.
1:04:16 So here’s what I see in most of my elementary schools is that
1:04:19 once they enter that gate,
1:04:20 they’re off the bike and they’re walking it in.
1:04:22 And I think that’s kind of the standard that’s set at most of
1:04:24 the schools.
1:04:24 I don’t know if that’s, if that’s maybe an unwritten rule.
1:04:26 Sounds good to me.
1:04:27 Yeah.
1:04:27 Where they’re not riding the bike when they’re in the school.
1:04:29 So they, at the gate, they stop and they’re walking them.
1:04:32 Right.
1:04:32 And with the motorized bicycle, that would help with that.
1:04:35 I, the thing about prohibiting those is I’m thinking about the
1:04:40 high school situations
1:04:41 because we have some students who don’t have a car and they’re,
1:04:44 they’re going from a pretty
1:04:45 good ways away.
1:04:46 And I don’t, I would have a hard time prohibiting those when
1:04:49 that’s going to be a kid’s main mode
1:04:51 of transportation, but they’re not quite old enough for a driver’s
1:04:54 lessons,
1:04:55 or maybe they are old enough for a driver’s lessons,
1:04:56 but they don’t have the money for a driver’s lessons or for a
1:04:58 car.
1:04:59 So I, I didn’t, I don’t think that would be,
1:05:01 if it’s becomes a problem, then it can be a discipline problem
1:05:04 at the school.
1:05:04 If a student is because while they’re still on our campus, if
1:05:07 they are doing it,
1:05:07 if that they’re flying out of a parking lot and putting people
1:05:10 in danger or themselves,
1:05:12 then that’s a discipline measure.
1:05:13 But I don’t want to.
1:05:14 Then you’d have to look at one wheels and scooters.
1:05:17 And if you’re going to do that with motorized bicycles,
1:05:20 we have motorized vehicles next.
1:05:22 But with that being said,
1:05:23 should this policy incorporate the fact that we,
1:05:25 the expectation is for a student to not ride their bicycle on
1:05:29 campus,
1:05:29 that they would be walking that device to some degree.
1:05:33 And I don’t know how to intelligently phrase that, but just.
1:05:35 Speaker 1: But it, then it depends on the campus.
1:05:38 Because I feel like you’re coming onto Merritt Island,
1:05:40 you still have a ways to go between the time you get through the
1:05:43 gates and the time you get to the,
1:05:45 I’m just thinking about some of our big campuses that there’s a
1:05:47 long way in.
1:05:48 That’s the one that first came to mind,
1:05:49 that the distance from the gate to where the bikes are parked
1:05:52 might be,
1:05:54 you know, like a quarter mile.
1:05:55 Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:05:57 Speaker 1: I think it just, it depends, depends on the campus.
1:05:59 Speaker 1: Yep.
1:05:59 Speaker 1: Each campus needs to have their, their rules.
1:06:01 Speaker 1: So if the staff would wish to put any of those kind
1:06:03 of rules and regs
1:06:04 inside of our policy, we can give it to them and let them make
1:06:06 that decision.
1:06:06 Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:06:07 Speaker 1: All right, cool.
1:06:08 Speaker 1: All right.
1:06:09 Next one is, is use of motorized vehicles.
1:06:11 The actual policy is a little bit different than what we have.
1:06:16 Looks like it was updated in 2002.
1:06:19 The statute is the same.
1:06:21 It looks like we don’t even have a recognition to when we did
1:06:23 this.
1:06:23 Speaker 1: Well, like we don’t even know.
1:06:25 Speaker 1: I think, again.
1:06:26 Speaker 1: It hasn’t been updated since 2000.
1:06:27 Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:06:28 As long as staff just looks at it real quick,
1:06:30 because there is a little bit of extra version.
1:06:32 There’s some of their options if they wish to maybe make it a
1:06:34 little bit more.
1:06:35 You know, you have a couple of other things that are new as far
1:06:39 as,
1:06:39 I don’t know if we can put our bus arms inside there,
1:06:44 where we’re charging people money for those.
1:06:45 It might be just some regulatory stuff.
1:06:48 Speaker 1: What are you talking about?
1:06:48 Speaker 1: We have cameras on our bus arms.
1:06:51 There’s a conversation wrapped around right now.
1:06:53 We were the, okay, back up a second.
1:06:56 We were one of the last year pilot programs for the buses
1:07:02 to have bus arm cameras to catch people running by our buses,
1:07:05 right?
1:07:06 There’s also conversation now where these camera people can come
1:07:10 in
1:07:10 and put cameras inside your school zones to make money and
1:07:14 profit share
1:07:15 to the school district based upon being inside of those areas.
1:07:19 So I don’t know if use of motor vehicles has anything to do with
1:07:22 that,
1:07:23 but this may need to be updated.
1:07:24 Speaker 1: This policy is specifically about students using cars
1:07:28 to get to school and back.
1:07:30 So I don’t think that would apply in this case.
1:07:32 Speaker 1: Yeah, but there’s just new roles and regulations
1:07:35 wrapped around.
1:07:35 Sorry, I didn’t mention that.
1:07:36 So we actually were part of the legislation that allowed that to
1:07:39 pass for the state.
1:07:39 Speaker 1: And now there’s like a bunch of bus arm camera
1:07:43 companies reaching out
1:07:44 to try to get moving.
1:07:45 Speaker 1: So interesting little fact.
1:07:47 Speaker 1: That’s great.
1:07:48 Speaker 1: There’s some school districts.
1:07:49 Speaker 1: Ms. Anne looks like she wants to jump into this one.
1:07:51 Speaker 1: Go ahead, Ms. Anne.
1:07:51 Speaker 1: See that we had a policy that addressed golf carts.
1:07:57 Speaker 1: Oh.
1:07:57 Speaker 1: And I think golf carts may fall under the definition
1:08:02 of motor vehicles.
1:08:03 Speaker 1: Yes.
1:08:04 Speaker 1: But we may want to be specific.
1:08:05 Speaker 1: There was new legislation that just came out that
1:08:07 regulated the age of.
1:08:08 Speaker 1: Right, that’s what I’m referring to.
1:08:10 I don’t know that we’ve captured that in our policy yet.
1:08:13 So we may need to take a look at that as we’re reviewing either
1:08:17 this policy
1:08:17 or if NEOLA is going to be developing one.
1:08:19 Speaker 1: I doubt NEOLA will because golf carts are so specific
1:08:23 to communities
1:08:24 that allow golf cart driving.
1:08:26 So they probably will not issue a policy.
1:08:29 Speaker 1: So in A, it says licensed drivers.
1:08:32 So are you going to, is there a license for a golf cart in the
1:08:35 new?
1:08:35 Speaker 1: I think you have to, under the new rule,
1:08:37 you have to be 16 or older to operate one.
1:08:39 And now you have kids that are operating them younger than that.
1:08:42 So they were trying to eliminate the younger kids driving golf
1:08:45 carts.
1:08:46 Speaker 1: Right.
1:08:46 Speaker 1: So I have a meeting at one o’clock today where we’ve
1:08:48 already moved on.
1:08:49 Viera High School’s already put in some regulatory.
1:08:52 So what it works is, is that if you are going to operate a golf
1:08:56 cart
1:08:56 in an area, like was said, that allows golf carts to be on the
1:09:00 roads,
1:09:01 that you have to have either a driver’s permit at 15 with an
1:09:05 adult inside the vehicle,
1:09:06 or you have to have a driver’s license at 16.
1:09:08 You are allowed to, at a younger age, drive that in golf cart
1:09:12 communities that are off,
1:09:13 that have golf cart paths and stuff like that.
1:09:16 But in order to be on the road, so what Viera High School did,
1:09:19 which Ms. Hand was saying is reduce the amount of golf carts
1:09:22 over there significantly,
1:09:23 is she just said, you know what, I’m not going to play the game.
1:09:26 If you want to drive a vehicle to school and you want that to be
1:09:28 a golf cart, you have to have a permit
1:09:30 or a driver’s license, period. We’re not going to play around
1:09:33 because she knows that if some kid
1:09:35 is 14 driving in the middle of the road, then they say, well,
1:09:38 you’re allowing them to come to school,
1:09:39 it becomes our liability. So I give her all the credit, Ms.
1:09:42 Principal of Gate, for doing that.
1:09:43 So that’s where we’re at with that one school. But you’re right,
1:09:45 like there’s nowhere else in the county,
1:09:47 I don’t think, that has a school that’s inside of there that has
1:09:50 the golf carts, but if we want to make it part of there.
1:09:53 I don’t know the rules for Viera in terms of the municipality
1:09:56 itself, but I would find it really
1:09:58 hard to believe that they didn’t, that they don’t demand that
1:10:03 you be a licensed driver or a permitted
1:10:06 driver. I would find that very odd because like Satellite Beach
1:10:10 and Indian Harbor Beach requires you to
1:10:12 be a permitted or a licensed driver, and it’s way smaller and
1:10:15 way slower. So I would find that
1:10:17 crazy. I would hope, and if not, then maybe we can have those
1:10:22 conversations with them,
1:10:24 because that would eliminate this problem, too, so that we don’t
1:10:25 have to worry about it.
1:10:27 When we had them read the law, it’s Satellite Beach has the rule,
1:10:31 the roads that they’d be crossing,
1:10:32 and so Satellite Beach probably made it. But when we had them
1:10:35 read their law at the safety meeting,
1:10:37 it was that you’re allowed to continue in that regard, but if
1:10:39 you’re going to drive on the road,
1:10:40 you have to have a permit. Right. And the road, I believe, is
1:10:43 defined as the road, not the sidewalk.
1:10:45 Right. And each community, each local jurisdiction can adopt its
1:10:52 own golf cart regulations. That’s,
1:10:53 Paul, you maybe want to weigh in, too, but my recollection of
1:10:57 that is that each jurisdiction
1:10:59 has to adopt their own golf cart rules. So it might be
1:11:03 worthwhile for us to think about this,
1:11:06 perhaps not in a motor vehicle policy, but perhaps in a policy
1:11:09 regarding use of golf carts, because it
1:11:11 seems to be growing. So we may want to define that a little bit.
1:11:15 Well, for example, Vieira High, I mean,
1:11:16 there’s, you can’t get to Vieira High without at least crossing
1:11:19 a road. Right. So even if there
1:11:21 was a sidewalk rule, I mean, you’re going to have to either go
1:11:25 across the overpass or one of these,
1:11:27 through these busy intersections around here. So, and I know
1:11:29 they do it, but, so I, I, a lot of
1:11:33 across the road. So like, it’s weird. So in Vieira, you can
1:11:37 drive, a 14-year-old can take their cart,
1:11:40 drive from the house, cross on the crosses, and go to the
1:11:43 avenues. That’s legal. Okay. But now,
1:11:48 is it legal? Yeah, it’s, it is because the Vieira rules are
1:11:51 under 16. Well, I’m saying state statute.
1:11:53 Oh, what’s the name? State statute just says if you’re on the
1:11:55 road driving. Okay. Because literally,
1:11:57 like the problem we had was kids were literally driving down the
1:12:00 road at 14. Oh, I know. It was
1:12:01 insane. Like, and I’m glad they passed it, so. So maybe further
1:12:04 conversation. This probably needs
1:12:06 to be a standalone policy. But we are literally building golf
1:12:08 cart parking lots in our new school,
1:12:11 too, right? So we’re building a golf cart drop-off area at the
1:12:15 middle school and specifically not golf cart
1:12:19 parking because the theory is those children are too young to be
1:12:22 operating golf carts. Okay. Okay. Thank you.
1:12:26 If you ever want to see the ultimate drop-off of golf carts, go
1:12:29 to the VRL. Okay. But anyway,
1:12:32 so with those guidelines, we should entertain something around
1:12:36 the golf carts. Not sure if it’s
1:12:38 here. And if staff wishes to change anything in our motor
1:12:41 vehicle use policy. But as far as the school
1:12:43 board, we don’t have anything to add, correct? No. All right.
1:12:45 Moving on to the next one, which is 5516
1:12:49 student hazing. Now we check the 15 different files that I have
1:12:52 here. There have been a lot of updates on this
1:12:55 since 2010, which is when ours was. Yeah. And they don’t look
1:13:00 like their options. Mine always does. Okay.
1:13:02 There we go. So with. I did notice too in this one that it says
1:13:08 it has to be, I don’t know if the update
1:13:09 still has this language, but it says it has to be incorporated
1:13:13 into handbooks and it needs to be
1:13:15 taught at an end service. And do we do that? Do we have hazing
1:13:19 in uh, handbooks and
1:13:23 in professional development? Do we, any of our people in the
1:13:28 back aware? I don’t think anyone’s
1:13:30 going to touch this one. Hazing. Do we address hazing in our
1:13:35 student handbooks
1:13:35 and in our professional end service? That’s what this policy
1:13:39 says, our current policy.
1:13:40 Actually the new updates to say too, um, the policy has to be
1:13:46 distributed to all students and board
1:13:48 employees shall be incorporated into building staff and student
1:13:51 handbooks. It shall also be the subject
1:13:53 of discussion at employee staff meetings or in service programs.
1:13:56 So at some point in the year,
1:13:57 we have to talk about hazing. This is back in the day when hazing
1:14:01 was the worst thing going on.
1:14:03 Um, but we need to, we definitely need to get these updates and
1:14:07 then make sure that we’re
1:14:09 doing what we’re supposed to do with that. Thank you. Sorry. I
1:14:13 have to walk all the way up here.
1:14:18 We have an audience member. Look, we have one. Thanks for
1:14:24 joining us. Thanks for caring. Audience of one.
1:14:26 It’s riveting, riveting conversations. Actually the golf cart,
1:14:33 you know, one was kind of interesting.
1:14:38 It was a gray area for so long though. Yeah. Yeah. It really was.
1:14:41 Student hazing is in our code of
1:14:43 student conduct. As far as the adults, that would be probably in
1:14:47 HR. Um, okay. He stepped out for
1:14:50 a moment. Just in time. All right. Thank you. So we have the,
1:14:54 but it’s part of like the sound,
1:14:55 looks like it has to be a part of, I’m assuming this comes
1:14:57 straight out of statute that we have to,
1:14:59 at some point, some staff meeting at some point in the year,
1:15:01 somebody needs to be talking about hazing
1:15:05 according to our policy and potentially state statute. Uh, we
1:15:10 have put out, uh, a training for
1:15:13 our teachers as well as administrators. We didn’t go over every
1:15:16 item in the code of conduct, but it is
1:15:18 available. And we did an overview of changes. The same thing
1:15:21 that we did with the parents that they are
1:15:23 to review next year. It will be more, um, uh, we’ll, we’ll be
1:15:28 able to point out these specific areas
1:15:31 that, uh, that are required in a statute. Gotcha. Thank you.
1:15:34 Okay. So with that there. Yeah, I didn’t have any, uh, this one
1:15:43 needs to go to, uh, to staff.
1:15:44 I would agree. So if you look at the differences in the updates
1:15:47 and stuff like that, I think that
1:15:48 there’s significant changes. So if we’re okay with letting staff
1:15:51 review it and come back,
1:15:53 I think that that would be good. Does anybody else wish to add
1:15:55 anything to it?
1:15:55 Is everybody okay? We’ve been going for about an hour. Does
1:15:59 everybody okay on the bathroom breaks?
1:16:00 Okay. Give me about 30 more minutes and I’ll be ready. Okay. Um,
1:16:04 next one up is, and, uh, the,
1:16:06 it is an update in the new, um, uh, there’s a 5517.01 update
1:16:13 that will come out.
1:16:15 after this one so 5517 anti-harassment compliance officers
1:16:18 complaint and investigative procedures
1:16:20 is um this one it looks to me as i bring this up that this is a
1:16:27 large significant one with about
1:16:30 15 we’re we’re up to date though because this one neil updated
1:16:33 in 2021 we did a huge overhaul
1:16:35 in 2022 with all the title ix updates um and so this one it this
1:16:41 one is should be good to go
1:16:44 yeah i would i would just ask that yeah because it’s not inside
1:16:48 of the updated neola as far as the
1:16:50 new policies and stuff like that i would just ask staff to just
1:16:52 hop at it and make sure it’s okay
1:16:53 does anybody wish to add anything to it nope all right hearing
1:16:58 none then let’s move on to 55 17.01
1:17:03 which is bullying and harassment there is a new neola policy
1:17:06 that has been brought to us
1:17:08 today by mr gibbs thank you and if you look through there there’s
1:17:11 some verbiage changes
1:17:14 creates and definitions and stuff like that are you guys okay
1:17:17 with handing this over to staff
1:17:18 and having them review it yep anybody wish to add anything to it
1:17:22 um i think hang on i just want to
1:17:25 make sure this could be part of what uh we discussed at our last
1:17:28 board meeting when we had the conversation
1:17:31 around um hate speech and things of that nature so i think we
1:17:33 need to make sure that that is
1:17:35 incorporated in here uh to some degree i’m just trying to scroll
1:17:39 through the new one just to make sure
1:17:40 that yeah i i here or somewhere because this one i remember when
1:17:44 we had those conversations about
1:17:46 55 17 55 1701 we kind of did there were several we did the
1:17:50 package title nine the title nine law changes
1:17:53 were pretty significant and um it’s very prescriptive of what
1:17:57 needs to be done in each circumstance so
1:17:59 there may be a place for that i don’t know it may be here but
1:18:02 like i said this is a lot to do with
1:18:05 here’s how you do the investigations here here’s how many days
1:18:08 here’s what the victim can do here’s
1:18:10 what the school has to do in the meantime while investigation is
1:18:12 going on it’s all very laid out
1:18:14 as i recall i mean we have in here uh i guess when it goes
1:18:18 through you know what it may involve it does
1:18:20 say in here racial harassment sexual harassment religious
1:18:23 harassment so harassment um so it’s not
1:18:27 technically called hate speech but that was something that was
1:18:29 brought to us before with with some of our
1:18:32 audience saying that they would like us to make sure that we’re
1:18:34 focusing on that so it you know it’s
1:18:36 called something different but it is the same thing and i and
1:18:38 while just so everybody understands while
1:18:40 we were up on the dais um mr klein had come up to me in the last
1:18:44 meeting and said there’s a lot of
1:18:46 state regulations around that so i think that um by just
1:18:49 basically implementing what the state already
1:18:51 has we’re pretty much going to be in line with a lot of what we
1:18:53 were speaking about um i would say that
1:18:56 if it’s okay with everybody to bring the new neola pieces let
1:18:59 them let staff take a look at it and if
1:19:01 there’s any reviews if anybody wishes to add anything to it we’re
1:19:05 good yeah mr trent jenkins campbell okay
1:19:09 all right moving on to 57 hang on just a second i gotta make
1:19:15 sure 55 hang on just a second 55 17.03
1:19:21 um yeah this is one of the ones that we did in that same package
1:19:28 the these three policies all together
1:19:29 okay and they they are up to date yep all right i like when we
1:19:35 find ones that we’ve already done yeah
1:19:37 that’s pretty easy i mean this is starting to get pretty thin on
1:19:39 this and we might get done by
1:19:41 four o’clock today no it’s not we never that’s always a that’s
1:19:46 always a back end i believe you
1:19:49 were the one who just said you had a one o’clock meeting i do
1:19:51 but i will i will let you take over
1:19:53 and you can keep oh you’re gonna we will order lunch okay all
1:19:57 right 55 20 um this disruption of schools
1:20:01 and school-sponsored activities seems that the most recent
1:20:05 update um is pretty in line with what
1:20:07 what we have some statutory there’s an addition of statutory law
1:20:11 um this one’s different it is
1:20:15 it is it’s just kind of the same overview though but it
1:20:19 references a different statute and it takes
1:20:22 one of them away so well i’m just the language is is different
1:20:29 um i and also there we need to have it
1:20:32 this is one of those that we need an administrative procedure if
1:20:34 we’re going to keep that language in
1:20:35 there um there i’m wondering if those i think we need to send
1:20:43 this back out because um the language
1:20:47 that’s coming in those two statutes may completely change how we
1:20:50 have to address um disorder and
1:20:54 demonstration disruptions actually they have a completely
1:20:56 different title um
1:21:00 and this is one we need to link the student code of conduct to
1:21:03 as well so
1:21:03 yep and we have had several of these this one needs to be clear
1:21:12 crystal clear and in line with
1:21:14 statute because we have had several instances over the last few
1:21:17 years of student demonstrations
1:21:18 and i think our schools have handled it beautifully most of the
1:21:21 time they had a heads up like a walkout
1:21:23 or students were coming on the patio and they handled it very
1:21:25 well um because we don’t certainly want to
1:21:28 create a more dangerous environment um and in general they’ve
1:21:32 allowed students to you know as long
1:21:35 as they weren’t you know hanging off the rafters and throwing
1:21:38 bottles and stuff like that they just you
1:21:40 know they were aware they had people in place to keep an eye on
1:21:42 things but we need to make sure that we get
1:21:44 this one right um and uh have it all clear and all things so
1:21:48 definitely want to send this one out
1:21:50 all right everybody’s okay with that moving on we move from 55
1:21:57 20 to 55 30 drug prevention
1:22:01 let me check each one of the new 55 nope it’s not a new one
1:22:06 updated let me go to our old one 55 30 drug
1:22:09 prevention okay so there’s a um series of options that we have
1:22:15 that we seems like we have taken a look at
1:22:18 but in it’s pretty much the same as far as all of the statutory
1:22:24 laws that are referenced i think
1:22:26 i think we took all the options it looks that way if we can just
1:22:30 have staff review it to make sure
1:22:32 of fidelity and that we’re moving on an administrative procedure
1:22:36 for this one do we noted miss campbell
1:22:40 anybody else have anything that they want to add to this one no
1:22:43 okay moving on 55 31 student
1:22:46 assistant programs i have to say that last one was curiously
1:22:50 still relevant considering that our drug
1:22:52 situation now is so different from 21 years ago well i was
1:22:55 looking like how do we need to change things
1:22:57 because now we’re having to deal with all this vaping or
1:22:59 whatever i’m like nope still actually still
1:23:01 covers still applies all right so 55 31 student assistant
1:23:05 programs there are the exact same we don’t have
1:23:09 a reference to the last time we reviewed this neola’s is 2002
1:23:13 looks like the verbiage is got some
1:23:15 additionals to it i’m okay with asking if staff will review it
1:23:19 to see if they want to add anything um
1:23:22 and then bringing it back to us are you guys okay with that yeah
1:23:25 i i didn’t see um
1:23:27 i mean i guess we have i thought we had just they had accepted
1:23:34 all the options but maybe i’m missing
1:23:35 something okay they have a few more things yeah i’m fine with it
1:23:39 as is but if we want to send it out that’s
1:23:42 fine okay with that moving on from 55 31 we’re going to go to 55
1:23:49 40 the schools and investigations
1:23:51 involving students so let me go to my one here we go it’s not
1:23:55 there go to the other one which i do know we
1:23:58 have the updates there yeah we are up to date on this one
1:24:04 all right you guys okay with um having staff review does anybody
1:24:08 wish to have anything that they wish to
1:24:10 say to this no you’re good everybody all right okay moving on to
1:24:18 5600 student discipline
1:24:23 we just did this one and there’s no neola updates so yay this
1:24:27 one i think we can just say pass skip
1:24:30 all right 5605 suspension expulsion of disabled students
1:24:34 yep yeah um according to neola there’s no updates that we need
1:24:39 to worry about it it’s identical and i
1:24:42 think that we’re good there we just need to link the
1:24:43 administrative procedure on this one that’s it
1:24:45 are we good did i miss i missed it you caught it for me thank
1:24:50 you because i had it written down
1:24:52 and i forgot to say yes no administrative procedure thank you
1:24:55 for catching me all right next one up is
1:24:59 um 5610 removal of out of school suspension disciplinary
1:25:05 placement and expulsion of students we
1:25:06 have an update on the neolas um the most recent one seems that
1:25:10 there’s some additional language
1:25:13 deleting certain language adding certain sections to do with
1:25:16 teachers and removal of students and
1:25:18 so we need to get that in there so if we can um does anybody
1:25:21 wish to add anything um comments or
1:25:24 anything like that before staff does their review of it hearing
1:25:27 none if you guys are okay we can move on
1:25:29 from 5610 to 5610.02 let me check our 15 different locations
1:25:36 that we don’t have and i i was curious because
1:25:41 the the updates from the last one from 5610 are about emergency
1:25:46 removal of students i think so i don’t know
1:25:48 i don’t know if we need this one too i i really like this i like
1:25:57 it too i like it too i like it too
1:26:00 because it shows like continual behavior type stuff so it’s one
1:26:03 of the issues we had um so i would i would
1:26:07 strongly recommend adding this to ours um but having staff
1:26:10 review it for any kind of changes that they
1:26:12 wish to do yeah yeah you okay with that yeah mr jenkins are you
1:26:15 okay with that okay mr trep yeah okay
1:26:19 moving on so that’s an addition of 5610.01 so we want to add
1:26:24 that one yep yep yep now uh 5610.02
1:26:29 in school discipline so neola had an update in 2018 ours hasn’t
1:26:35 been updated since the original
1:26:37 since 2002 right um this one needs an administrative procedure
1:26:42 and and there are several more things
1:26:46 yep there seems to be some additional language that may have
1:26:49 come out in 2018 so i would like staff
1:26:52 to be able to take a look at it and if that’s okay with you all
1:26:55 if you don’t probably need to go ahead
1:26:57 and add the um reverse suspension that we’re doing i mean as far
1:27:00 as adding being able to to ask for a
1:27:02 parent to come in that that should be added yeah if they feel
1:27:05 like it should go in here that’d be a
1:27:06 great addition right um yeah we’re good on that make the
1:27:11 suggestion that miss right made that they
1:27:14 review to see if this is a place that they need to put that
1:27:17 reverse um suspension in and also update in
1:27:20 the event if there’s any additionals that they need to add to
1:27:23 right okay with that all right linking the
1:27:25 administrative procedure yep get that create who’s on fire look
1:27:28 who’s on fire over here
1:27:30 all right they’re gonna have it all done just put it on every
1:27:34 page all right uh 5610.03 detention
1:27:39 of students um we updated this 2013 seems that seems it’s the
1:27:45 extra statute procedures on this one there’s
1:27:48 a little bit of extra there’s an extra statutory reference and
1:27:52 there’s a little bit of extra verbiage
1:27:54 there so i’ll just hand it to staff are you looking at that
1:27:56 because i think we have more than they do
1:27:58 we have we do our policies longer than that yep that’s why i was
1:28:01 just saying if we can just have
1:28:02 staff review it to make sure that we’re in line and go from
1:28:04 there we should be good okay
1:28:06 and we’re on fire 5610.04 is a um statute that’s inside of neola
1:28:16 that we do not have
1:28:17 we need it’s a suspension of bus riding transportation
1:28:19 privileges i think we just put this in our
1:28:22 transportation policy well i like it anyway it just i like
1:28:25 putting it there but if you guys think that
1:28:28 there’s what i would say is is if we could hand it to staff and
1:28:31 if it’s already inside of another
1:28:33 policy that’s great but if not we need some you know what i mean
1:28:36 it would be nice to send a message
1:28:38 to our bus drivers that we put it in policy and again i think
1:28:41 this is one of those ones where if a
1:28:42 student’s looking for themselves i think it’s good to have it
1:28:45 here and i know it might be a duplication of
1:28:47 efforts but um just so that they understand i i tend to think a
1:28:49 student would go straight to the
1:28:51 student section of our handbook because the parents maybe the
1:28:55 lawyer for the student okay all right
1:28:58 let’s be realistic all right so i feel like that’s what they’re
1:29:01 going to look for these kind of things
1:29:02 they may not look for them well our administrators honestly who
1:29:05 are looking what does it say in
1:29:06 policy what am i supposed you know making sure that’s that they’re
1:29:08 probably more likely to take a look
1:29:09 so we’re okay with um asking staff to add it in my vote would be
1:29:13 to add this into the student
1:29:14 section but i don’t know what’s that okay mr as long as it’s
1:29:17 consistent with what we have
1:29:19 okay um yeah just i mean miss kimble just said it just as not
1:29:28 just adopting the neolan policy it’s
1:29:29 got to be consistent what’s already in the transportation policy
1:29:32 so it’s
1:29:32 yep and it’s referencing some statutes so it may be that there’s
1:29:36 some statutory law we might need to add
1:29:38 all right next one is um let me review all of the different 15
1:29:42 different locations
1:29:45 so we have 5610.05 that is not inside of our statute that talks
1:29:50 about participation in extracurricular
1:29:54 activities our update is more recent than neola’s and we did
1:29:58 this and we did this last year we just i
1:30:01 think we’re just yeah sorry give me a second i gotta open 15
1:30:07 things to get i’m like it’s okay take your
1:30:09 time to review all right
1:30:15 i think this is probably a good time to have that conversation
1:30:32 um i feel like it needs to be in
1:30:34 policy we talked about this mr trent when we were talking about
1:30:36 the discipline and the um the ability
1:30:39 for a principal to to hold out a student from extracurricular
1:30:42 activities for a period of time
1:30:44 and it really wasn’t defined what the period of time is um and
1:30:47 and the concern that hey you may have
1:30:48 your your star quarterback who got in trouble who you know he
1:30:52 got trouble on tuesday and oh it’s friday
1:30:54 that’s a period of time um so i think it would probably be good
1:30:58 if we were clear here on what that
1:31:00 period of time is and wrote that into policy just so um in the
1:31:05 event that a student is in trouble for
1:31:08 something the period of time needs to be defined that they’re
1:31:11 required to set out um what’s and
1:31:14 that was related to the drug it was but this one i i think we’ll
1:31:18 have to just the polo the neola and
1:31:21 ours is probably like fhsaa got we have to there’s some things
1:31:25 that are with the rules and so like b
1:31:27 one talks about basically if they’re not suspended or expelled
1:31:31 they’re eligible to participate
1:31:34 um so when we’re and i’m gonna i’m just because we’ve been
1:31:40 having this conversation this board has
1:31:42 gone back and forth with us on the um like the drug issue that
1:31:45 we’ve had with the alc and and talking
1:31:48 about how they can stay in their school if they go through a
1:31:50 different program and we’re looking
1:31:52 at that right now right um so when we’re talking about extracurricular
1:31:55 activities technically
1:31:57 speaking they wouldn’t be suspended or expelled they would be
1:31:59 doing a diversion program of some sort
1:32:02 um which means they would be able to still be eligible to play
1:32:05 any other sports or participate
1:32:07 is that what you’re saying no no no no no no no no um that is
1:32:11 out that is this is at a minimum right
1:32:14 so the drug diversion program would be separate from um but i
1:32:18 hear what you’re saying if if if
1:32:21 if we’re going to say one thing with the drug diversion program
1:32:22 we don’t want to be able to go over
1:32:23 here and it says oh i’m not suspended or expelled so yeah so so
1:32:26 maybe we need to add a statement in
1:32:28 there that said except for a period of well and that you know
1:32:33 reference our drug diversion program
1:32:35 or whatever we need to add that in there because that would be a
1:32:37 situation where they’re not suspended
1:32:39 or expelled but we are still excluding them from extracurricular
1:32:41 so i hear what you’re saying so we need
1:32:43 to add something in there to make sure that that is they can’t
1:32:45 come to this policy and say that overrides
1:32:47 your well if they contradict each other it’s like which one is
1:32:49 true right right right can i ask a
1:32:51 question though because i mean don’t each one of those students
1:32:54 have to sign an agreement that’s
1:32:56 stating that to begin with to to participate in extracurriculars
1:33:01 right so like so they choose the
1:33:03 drug diversion program they have to sign an agreement that’s
1:33:06 stipulating their restrictions so their
1:33:08 contract overrides the policy but i i think one of the things
1:33:11 that we discussed is that the contract
1:33:13 wasn’t really clear on what is the appropriate amount of time
1:33:15 when it comes to extracurricular
1:33:17 right but the contract like i hear you and it was good that we
1:33:20 were talking about that but the contract
1:33:23 will have to be explicit it’s going to have to be okay and your
1:33:27 contract can override your policy so
1:33:31 your contracts need to be in line with your policies they can’t
1:33:35 override no okay so your policies are the
1:33:37 district’s laws right so you’re you can’t contract around the
1:33:41 laws so we at least need to have something in
1:33:43 here that references that in the situation of a drug diversion
1:33:47 problem they all program they might
1:33:49 they will also be excluded from extracurricular activities for a
1:33:53 time does that would that be
1:33:56 consistent with what you just said yeah i would say we we need
1:33:58 to check it for sure yeah and clarify
1:34:01 all those provisions okay and i and i think as a board we need
1:34:04 to establish what is that amount of time
1:34:07 because again if it’s open-ended four days could be a sufficient
1:34:11 amount of time to somebody but
1:34:12 somebody else it might be four weeks so you know i don’t know i
1:34:15 think when we had that conversation
1:34:17 before we said we want to leave it to the principal’s discretion
1:34:20 um and dr rendell’s not here as our you
1:34:22 know recently former principal but um i think that um you know i
1:34:29 there are situations where i would like to
1:34:32 leave that to the principal’s discretion not not the idea of
1:34:34 like you don’t have to exclude them at all ever
1:34:37 but i have to go back and look at the language that we used i
1:34:39 think it would be smart for us to set a minimum
1:34:41 standard and if they want to to go above that that’s fine but i
1:34:44 think you could have a extreme
1:34:46 inconsistency from principal to principal or sport to sport even
1:34:49 i mean you could have a principal who
1:34:51 puts in a you know star player in this sport and doesn’t in this
1:34:54 i think if you don’t set a standard
1:34:56 you kind of open it up to maybe it could be inconsistent and i
1:35:01 don’t know if this is the appropriate
1:35:04 time to have this conversation but i just feel like because we’re
1:35:05 talking about extracurricular
1:35:06 activities you know my thoughts on it are that if a student were
1:35:11 to choose the job the drug diversion
1:35:13 program um upon completion of i don’t know maybe at least two
1:35:18 weeks of hey they’ve gone to counseling
1:35:21 they’re they’re following the steps they’re on the right track
1:35:25 um i would say at least a minimum of
1:35:27 two weeks ideally i would say four but um i think it’s smart to
1:35:31 set the standard i don’t i wouldn’t
1:35:33 necessarily disagree with that i don’t disagree at all actually
1:35:36 for a minimum of two weeks i would
1:35:37 probably make it higher myself but um the problem that i would
1:35:41 have with putting a number and this
1:35:43 is just my thought right now off the bat off the top of my head
1:35:46 is then we have that expectation that
1:35:48 oh two weeks you know even if it doesn’t say that you know
1:35:51 because there are going to be some kids
1:35:53 that need to go the full eight week program well well the
1:35:55 expectation is to complete it so if they
1:35:58 if they stop with the diversion program at that point i think
1:36:00 that’s when the expulsion conversation
1:36:02 starts to happen and it triggers that correct i mean that would
1:36:05 be if they’re not following that program
1:36:07 it triggers the expulsion correct if they are right we’re
1:36:09 talking about if they are following it
1:36:12 if they are following it are they going to go the full eight
1:36:14 weeks without being able to participate in
1:36:16 extracurriculars so and i and i don’t think that that’s that’s
1:36:18 necessarily what we should do either
1:36:20 it’s that’s what i’m saying i think it’s smart for us to define
1:36:22 it in in our policy to say that they’re
1:36:25 required to if they choose the drug diversion program they’re
1:36:29 required i have a definition question real
1:36:31 quick um suspended and excelled if a student is placed in an alc
1:36:37 what are we what are we calling them
1:36:39 are they suspended or expelled it’s it’s usually expulsion in
1:36:47 lieu or they’re placed at the alc
1:36:49 in lieu of an expulsion so they enter into an agreement saying
1:36:52 they’re going to complete
1:36:53 it so it’s not just the drug diversion program right right so
1:36:56 that’s sorry i didn’t mean to interrupt
1:36:58 but i wanted to throw that out there it then technically it’s
1:37:01 also going to mean for our
1:37:02 students who are going into the alc as well it’s both right and
1:37:05 they in addition i mean they can’t even
1:37:07 step on right so we’ll need language to clarify in here right
1:37:12 yeah options in lieu of so not just
1:37:14 drug right i would refer it to staff to look at and make sure we’re
1:37:18 consistent across sorry i didn’t
1:37:19 mean to interrupt because i didn’t want us to only focus on that
1:37:22 because i felt like it was going to
1:37:23 be a problem for all things yeah we couldn’t we need to have
1:37:25 that conversation i don’t know that the
1:37:26 time frame belongs here because that’s specific to the drug we
1:37:29 can put that in the procedures for the
1:37:31 drug diversion program but i do think we need to add that
1:37:33 language about and here’s all the other
1:37:35 things that you could be excluded for i do think it’s
1:37:37 appropriate here because we’re talking about
1:37:39 participation in extracurricular activities so i think we need
1:37:42 to define when there might be a limitation
1:37:43 on that go ahead but it also says suspended from the activity or
1:37:49 suspended or expelled from school so
1:37:52 in our contract it it will say you are suspended from activity
1:38:00 so that that goes along with the policy
1:38:01 doesn’t it it doesn’t say yeah yeah a student not currently
1:38:05 suspended from interschelactic yes because
1:38:07 they would be considered suspended you’re right if they’re in
1:38:10 their right if they’re in our division
1:38:12 program that first part of the of number one applies that very
1:38:15 first beginning there takes care
1:38:17 of right because you can be suspended from those activities for
1:38:20 other things yeah i mean the ad and
1:38:22 the principal can say you’re you’re suspended from activities
1:38:25 you’re not suspended from school you’re
1:38:27 not even in trouble other than you’re not going to right that
1:38:30 participate actually in the student code of
1:38:32 conduct in that in the list of things that they can use the
1:38:34 tools in their toolbox yeah we’re going to
1:38:36 a head shake so so they can be um that could that’s just one of
1:38:41 the things that they can yeah that’s
1:38:43 a thing you can use that’s a right it’s a consequence right
1:38:46 right so thank you for pointing that out
1:38:49 so we may or may not need to add that specific language the drug
1:38:52 diversion program because what
1:38:54 jean’s saying is it the first clause of that sentence would
1:38:57 apply but we do need to address the contract
1:39:01 for the drug diversion program too for the minimum amount out
1:39:04 time frame so does are you guys saying
1:39:08 you don’t feel like it’s an appropriate it’s not needed here for
1:39:12 the amount of time right
1:39:14 i will respectfully disagree but i will if that’s the consensus
1:39:19 of the board then that’s why we can move on
1:39:21 i wouldn’t bring it back up a little more time too all right
1:39:25 moving on 56 11 due process rights
1:39:27 let me take a look at this yeah there’s not a new um there is a
1:39:35 maybe this there’s two versions we
1:39:38 we have to do some work on this um we have two versions that we
1:39:41 have that reference multiple
1:39:43 statutes seems like there’s enough here to say to staff please
1:39:47 review make it the right decision on based on
1:39:49 which one we want does anybody wish to add any component of this
1:39:52 well i would just say there’s
1:39:53 two versions of this and one of them is um has there’s there’s
1:39:57 some things that talk about the
1:39:59 expulsion process our expulsion heavy stuff is in 56 10 which we
1:40:03 already looked at but there was a
1:40:04 specific phrase in here that needs to be updated because i don’t
1:40:09 know if it was just an error the way it
1:40:12 used to be where is it um it says a representative of where is
1:40:18 it okay in b in b it says a student
1:40:24 has her parents or guardian must be given written notice of the
1:40:26 intention to expel and the reasons
1:40:28 therefore and an opportunity to appear with a representative
1:40:31 before the superintendent to answer
1:40:34 their charges the language in neola is an opportunity to appear
1:40:39 to meet with a representative of the superintendent to answer
1:40:44 the charges so it seems small but to me
1:40:47 the way we have it written is you can bring your lawyer and sit
1:40:50 in front of the superintendent and
1:40:52 at neola the intention is you can come and you can still bring
1:40:55 your lawyer because legally they do
1:40:57 that in the expulsion things but you’re meeting with a
1:40:59 representative of superintendents you’re not
1:41:01 necessarily going to sit in dr rendell’s office for this but you
1:41:04 are going to be sitting in the rep
1:41:06 with a representative of the superintendent so i think we at
1:41:09 least make that little change because
1:41:10 that would be consistent with what we are currently doing um
1:41:13 sometimes it’s a director or even assistant
1:41:15 superintendent but um i guess ultimately that would go to our
1:41:18 new chief of schools um but it needs to
1:41:22 we need to put that in there so that there’s not the expectation
1:41:25 that you’re sitting in the
1:41:26 superintendent’s office to address this okay so having staff
1:41:30 review it bring back the best
1:41:32 recommendations that they have based upon the new implementation
1:41:36 we are good with that right okay
1:41:37 with no additions we can move on to 56 30. um let me make sure
1:41:42 that there’s a
1:41:44 corporal punishment here we go all right here we go all right so
1:41:48 corporal punishment we’re up to date
1:41:52 unless we’re going to change this and i don’t suggest that we do
1:41:55 no we’re not going to bring corporal
1:41:56 punishment although it is still legal in florida yes we will not
1:42:00 be bringing that into our space
1:42:01 careful of what we say right oh boy right so this be clear to be
1:42:06 clear no corporal punishment in
1:42:09 brevard county public schools he walked in at the right time yes
1:42:11 you did we’re talking about corporal
1:42:13 punishment right with that the next yeah with that the next
1:42:17 policy that we can review is 56 um 56 10.
1:42:23 point 56 30. holy cow there’s a ton in between hang on a second
1:42:30 all right just looking at hang on so we
1:42:35 have 56 30 for full punishment and we have 56 30.01 right this
1:42:40 then just jumped so there was not in
1:42:42 our neola update thing there i’m just going through all of it to
1:42:46 make sure that we’re not missing no
1:42:47 there’s not all right yeah there’s not any there’s not one of
1:42:51 the updated we updated this one with the new
1:42:52 laws in 22. yep so if you guys are okay seems like it’s pretty
1:42:58 identical seems like we are up to date
1:43:01 on it as long as there’s no new new neola which is not we’re in
1:43:04 a good place we can pass on it correct
1:43:06 all right so then we move on to the next one which is 5710
1:43:12 student and parent legal guardian complaints
1:43:15 this one i believe there is yeah yeah i saw that on the other
1:43:17 one so if we pull the 5710 up and then
1:43:20 we go through it it just seems like there’s just one it has to
1:43:23 do with notification yeah so if you guys
1:43:26 are okay we’ll let staff review that and move on from 5710 if
1:43:29 there’s no updates that the school board
1:43:31 members just added is this policy currently published on our
1:43:34 district website or no i mean this would be i guess
1:43:35 it would be our old policy would be um okay okay okay next up is
1:43:44 5722 according to our policy documents
1:43:46 let me check and make sure there’s no we’re missing updates here
1:43:49 yeah there was updated in 2021 we need
1:43:52 go through here so there’s 5771 which is search and seizure that’s
1:43:58 enough 5722 i think yeah but what
1:44:00 she’s saying is there’s one in between oh sorry i skipped i
1:44:04 jumped 5722 looking at too many things listen
1:44:07 i’m right there with you it’s kind of yeah okay so 5722 um was
1:44:13 last updated in by neola in 2021 we last
1:44:17 updated in 29 2009 last revised in 2014 off of the neola from
1:44:23 2009 if you guys would like i would like
1:44:26 to just have staff review this if nobody else has anything that
1:44:29 they wish to add to it we’re okay all
1:44:31 right moving on 5730 hang on there’s a 24 option yep i took a
1:44:38 look at this um
1:44:43 and i think we’re already doing this preparation for voter
1:44:47 registration um
1:44:51 yeah so there’s actually it’s funny that we bring this up
1:44:56 because i was having a conversation with dr
1:44:58 rindell about this um new board members there was a situation
1:45:02 where we made a big push to register our
1:45:05 students to vote in the last election um i brought forward a
1:45:08 comparison and i had staff work on it where
1:45:11 we pulled all of our students um and then we pulled all of the
1:45:15 available registered voters we crossed them
1:45:17 to find out who had not been registered to vote and then we
1:45:21 supplied those lists to each one of the
1:45:23 schools to have the principals work on allowing those students
1:45:26 to register many of you guys um i
1:45:29 think the old way to register is to bring the groups in and have
1:45:32 them talk and it’s very easy to
1:45:33 register online now yeah so there’s a way that we don’t have to
1:45:36 when they get their driver’s license
1:45:38 right sorry i didn’t interrupt you no i was gonna say the same
1:45:41 thing too they turn 16 7 to get the
1:45:42 driver’s license and then it gets mailed to them automatically
1:45:45 so a lot of our students are already
1:45:46 in the system it was pretty significant the amount of students
1:45:49 that had not registered to vote yet so
1:45:50 what what i would what i had said to dr rindell was is hey what
1:45:54 do you think about reinstituting this
1:45:56 giving the lists over to the high school principals so that we
1:45:58 can see if they want to have their
1:46:00 students registered and stuff like that a lot of the parents
1:46:02 when i was doing it two years ago and four years
1:46:04 ago had no idea they were like wait a minute my kid didn’t
1:46:07 register like what is this and sometimes
1:46:10 when you’re registered i think when you get your driver’s
1:46:12 license you give them the opportunity to
1:46:13 register vote you don’t have to right they don’t so like so
1:46:16 sometimes kids are like oh i just want to
1:46:17 get through this just give me my license right i don’t know what
1:46:20 uh so there’s an opportunity to
1:46:22 to kind of do that this falls into line with that um and we
1:46:25 could do a coordinated effort with the
1:46:28 current supervisor of elections and so i’m i’m all for uh civic
1:46:32 engagement and and getting our kids
1:46:36 registered to vote i i don’t i i’m uncomfortable with us
1:46:40 identifying students who are registered and
1:46:44 not registered because they’re they’re children they’re not
1:46:47 adults so i don’t know how we’re accessing
1:46:48 that information and you have to be 18 to vote that’s kind of an
1:46:52 adult but they can pre-register too and
1:46:55 this is talking about engaging them to be ready to register as
1:46:59 well so um
1:47:01 i think i think we need to have this conversation and do what we
1:47:07 can to increase it um increase
1:47:09 awareness i know that there was an issue and why they apparently
1:47:13 in the past like tried to stop other
1:47:15 groups from coming in and wanted to work strictly with the
1:47:17 supervisor of elections um i i agree with you
1:47:21 mr susan i think we need to re-engage that and and bump it up
1:47:23 and enhance it because i know we’ve been
1:47:25 slacking but um yeah let’s let’s have this conversation and
1:47:30 figure it out first because i think this policy
1:47:33 i’m sorry this policy talks about doing a voter education and
1:47:37 registration program which when the
1:47:39 superintendent superintendent when the supervisor of elections
1:47:43 comes in they do that they pretty much
1:47:45 just walk them through how you can do it online and they can do
1:47:47 it while they’re sitting there if
1:47:49 they want to definitely want to i would we have had those third
1:47:52 party had that conversation with dr
1:47:54 sullivan not very long ago when one of the third party groups
1:47:56 came and we want to come in and no no
1:47:57 we put the kibosh on that because then there’s the even if it’s
1:48:00 a non-partisan group there is the risk of
1:48:02 it seeing when not mom it’s not non-partisan um but with it if
1:48:07 it’s with a supervisor i just i actually
1:48:11 to me this is saying we’re going to do a voter education program
1:48:16 i don’t i am also not super
1:48:18 excited about us pulling kids voter records and cross-matching
1:48:21 it and like because i think there is
1:48:23 the risk of that appearing to be um it is our duty to make sure
1:48:28 that students know that they can
1:48:31 register to vote i mean we can yeah we can do that without
1:48:34 specifically well i’ll just do it i mean
1:48:37 i think i think it’s a good idea i think honestly we should be
1:48:39 teaching our next generation because
1:48:40 the when we look at the the lack of participation when it comes
1:48:44 to voting that is that is our democratic
1:48:47 process that we no other no other a lot of other countries don’t
1:48:50 get that opportunity and if we’re
1:48:52 not teaching our children i don’t think it’s a bad idea um as
1:48:55 far as like pulling the data i i feel
1:48:57 like this kind of could go even with a government class of some
1:49:00 sort or even our student government
1:49:02 that’s in every single one of our high schools maybe tasking
1:49:05 them with this and saying hey this
1:49:07 is something that you guys could could lead in your schools in
1:49:10 an exceptional way but i do think we
1:49:12 we need to do a better job so with that i think having a voter
1:49:16 education policy isn’t that bad no the other component to
1:49:21 us actually doing it we’ve already done it we had a zero i mean
1:49:24 when i said we did it we did it county
1:49:26 wide we had zero pushback from any of the parents um so i think
1:49:30 that in a in a good we can engage in
1:49:32 that and if the board doesn’t wish to engage in that i’ll just
1:49:35 pull it myself and do it i’ll just send
1:49:37 out cards to them so um anyways with that you guys want to add
1:49:40 the participation for voter registration or
1:49:43 what do you want to do i like it i like it i just again no third
1:49:46 party no third party is what i would
1:49:49 say like this needs to be done between the school board and then
1:49:51 supervisor elections that’s obviously
1:49:53 nonpartisan that’s good bring them in i to educate them i just i
1:49:57 need to restate this because we need
1:49:59 to be careful with the statements that we’re making publicly the
1:50:02 supervisor of elections doesn’t even notify
1:50:08 adults that they aren’t registered to vote so it isn’t we are
1:50:12 treading on something weird if we’re saying
1:50:14 we’re going to pull data and notify them um
1:50:20 it’s just it’s it’s uncomfortable uh that’s a process that
1:50:25 certain uh political organizations do
1:50:29 absolutely um but they pay for access to databases and um pull
1:50:36 that information as well and request it
1:50:38 from the supervisor election so i just think we need to be
1:50:41 careful before we trigger uh some hesitation and
1:50:46 fear for no reason when the goal is to educate students about it
1:50:49 yeah that’s great okay just yeah
1:50:54 if we just read the neola i mean it says superintendent will
1:50:58 develop a non-partisan voter
1:50:59 education registration program for high schools that’s fine um
1:51:03 we can do the i’ll talk to rindell
1:51:05 about putting together the voter registration drive and stuff
1:51:07 like that we’ll get to it and then
1:51:08 we’ll bring it before the board for approval sure um everybody
1:51:11 okay with that adding that component to
1:51:12 it adding this policy yep all right go from there um next policy
1:51:18 we have up is oh boy where are we at
1:51:22 yeah 57 30 yeah i’m looking up here 57 30 is not one of the
1:51:27 additions most recently 57 30 from the
1:51:31 previous one is here um yeah so we have neola template in 2002
1:51:37 the last update revised from neola was 2005.
1:51:42 seems to be it’s pretty in line with everything but it seems
1:51:44 like it might be
1:51:45 a little bit different with some of the verbiage if you guys are
1:51:47 okay with letting staff just review
1:51:49 it make sure that we’re in line and then go forward does that
1:51:52 make sense yeah we have actually updated
1:51:54 ours since then but and i didn’t see any that’s 2005 was last
1:52:01 revision on the policy same with the neola policy
1:52:06 so i think if we just have staff look at it because the
1:52:08 paragraph in the beginning is a little bit
1:52:10 different than what we have so if we’re okay with having staff
1:52:12 just review it and if you guys have
1:52:14 any additional comments yeah you guys want to take a minute um
1:52:19 take a five-minute break yeah sure come back
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1:59:58 - Do you know about these?
2:00:00 Seems to have, yep, seems to have an extra paragraph,
2:00:05 or do you guys okay with staff reviewing that?
2:00:08 Does anybody wish to have anything speaking to this?
2:00:12 - Yeah, we– - ‘Cause this was an issue we dealt with.
2:00:14 - Right, we had a conversation a few months ago
2:00:17 clarifying the expectations with this,
2:00:20 but if there’s a way, out of that conversation,
2:00:23 I actually went back to a school
2:00:25 that had brought this first to my attention,
2:00:27 and they weren’t even aware that we had clarified it.
2:00:29 So I wanna make sure that it’s super clear
2:00:32 what the expectations are if a student refuses to be searched.
2:00:37 And so if there’s a way to even like make the language
2:00:40 even more crystal clear, I think that would be good.
2:00:44 And then this one,
2:00:45 there’s not an administrative procedure with this one,
2:00:50 and maybe the administrative procedure,
2:00:55 ‘cause this is one of those that says it needs one.
2:00:58 Maybe that would do it.
2:00:59 Maybe the clarity can come in the administrative procedure,
2:01:02 but we certainly need to add this extra language in here
2:01:04 that Yola, there’s a whole paragraph about,
2:01:06 I guess you have to return it discreetly,
2:01:11 or you have to do the search discreetly and all that.
2:01:15 And then the other issue is that we had,
2:01:17 I think one of your SROs was vocal about this on your area,
2:01:20 and then I ran across there are four of them
2:01:22 that were asking questions,
2:01:24 I think it was clarifying that that you’re right,
2:01:26 if there’s a way that we need to communicate that to them
2:01:28 to make sure that they understand the power that they have.
2:01:30 - Well, I think that actually clarifying,
2:01:33 ‘cause I talked to the search security about this too,
2:01:35 that the needs to clarify what SRO,
2:01:39 ‘cause it specifically was talking about,
2:01:41 this is the ability of our staff to search, right?
2:01:45 And the SROs have a little bit of a different,
2:01:48 even though I did– - Staff and SROs.
2:01:50 - Right, right, if they’re an SRO on our campus,
2:01:52 they can fall under the lower bar of reasonable suspicion
2:01:58 rather than– - Probable cause.
2:02:01 - Thank you, probable cause, but I think that our SROs
2:02:05 are reticent to do that because it kind of puts them
2:02:07 in a little bit of a in-between area.
2:02:10 - Yeah, but I agree that some of the information
2:02:14 we can address through training,
2:02:15 but it would be good to have procedures set up
2:02:19 so that it’s codified and written, we can see it.
2:02:23 We can change procedures.
2:02:25 We don’t always have to go to a policy change,
2:02:27 so that would be the way to do it.
2:02:29 - Yeah.
2:02:30 - I agree, so if we need that staff
2:02:32 to work on the administrative procedures from the FACs,
2:02:34 that would be great.
2:02:35 Next up is 5772 weapons, this is also an addition,
2:02:39 a new addition, ‘cause it kind of crosses out
2:02:44 some of the members of the SROs.
2:02:46 And that’s the only deal of,
2:02:50 they’ve tried to look at it,
2:02:54 and the fact that it was not survived,
2:02:56 and it’s over in 2015 for us.
2:02:59 Yes, we’re the best. - Yep.
2:03:01 - Correct, we’re down 5780.
2:03:03 Let’s check.
2:03:05 - Here’s a new update for that one, too.
2:03:07 - You bet.
2:03:07 - All right, 5780, there’s a couple of–
2:03:13 - 23 pages of them, though.
2:03:14 - Yeah.
2:03:14 - It has to do with the scholarships.
2:03:17 - There’s some stuff, so I think–
2:03:18 - They’ve changed the name of the scholarship,
2:03:20 and there’s other information,
2:03:21 there’s stuff about progress reporting,
2:03:23 that’s all changed since the last revision.
2:03:27 - And there’s 4.1 weapons of the statute, yeah.
2:03:29 So if you guys are interested in all the staff
2:03:32 to tackle this one, I think we’re okay.
2:03:34 Does anybody wish to add anything to this?
2:03:36 - No, just make sure you don’t put the pardon
2:03:37 about corporal punishment that’s in here.
2:03:39 We don’t obviously, we just address that
2:03:41 as a single one policy, but it’s also in here as well.
2:03:45 - Right, we don’t have to do it if we’re not doing that.
2:03:49 - All right, next one is–
2:03:50 - There’s an ELF.
2:03:54 - 5780.01.
2:03:56 - Yeah, there’s two.
2:03:57 - 5780, student, parent rights, right?
2:04:01 - Yeah, so the student rights and parent rights
2:04:05 of 5780.
2:04:07 - We just did that.
2:04:08 - Yep, yep.
2:04:09 - Just did that one, don’t see any news,
2:04:11 that’s great updates as far as the ,
2:04:14 so we’re good there.
2:04:16 Everybody okay with–
2:04:17 - Wait, no, wait, that’s what we just did,
2:04:18 that then we do need to go back and revise.
2:04:20 - Yeah, staff’s gonna review 5780, it’s a lot.
2:04:23 - We’re on 5780.01–
2:04:24 - Yeah, that’s the big one.
2:04:25 - Which is the parent’s bill of rights.
2:04:26 - Right, 5780.01.
2:04:31 - Right?
2:04:32 - Mm-hmm.
2:04:33 - Slow down, just slow down for a second.
2:04:34 So 5780 has an update, most recently five in the OLA updates.
2:04:39 - We just talked about that.
2:04:40 - Okay, that’s done.
2:04:41 - Yep.
2:04:42 - Now, moving on to 5780.01, there is no,
2:04:46 we didn’t have one in the budget.
2:04:48 - Right.
2:04:48 - So the new policy can be bringing it forward.
2:04:50 If they can move through that and bring that back to us,
2:04:53 that’d be great, okay?
2:04:55 - Yeah, it’s pretty much just the parent’s
2:04:57 bill of rights spilled out.
2:04:58 - Yep.
2:04:59 - Which is probably a good idea for us to have that.
2:05:01 - Absolutely a good idea.
2:05:02 - So we’re good to have that?
2:05:03 All right, moving on,
2:05:04 5820, we do not have this for student government,
2:05:08 but this is, you know, if we want to put this inside
2:05:13 and have some wrapped around it,
2:05:14 it’s just kind of a signifying thing saying students
2:05:16 have the right to organize enough meeting,
2:05:18 like the officers petition the board and all this other stuff.
2:05:21 Would you guys like to put this in, or?
2:05:23 - Yes, I think there’s some,
2:05:24 I don’t know if my mic is on.
2:05:25 - Do we have it anywhere else?
2:05:27 - There are some schools that do this exceptionally well,
2:05:29 and I think this would be a really beneficial thing
2:05:31 to have in every one of our high schools.
2:05:32 So having our student government,
2:05:34 and board, I’ll challenge you,
2:05:36 because I had one of the teachers
2:05:37 that teaches the student government class,
2:05:39 ask if I’d be willing to come and speak to the students.
2:05:41 I think that’s a really great opportunity for us,
2:05:42 obviously, it’s in our schools as well.
2:05:45 But yeah, if you get invited,
2:05:46 or I may call on you,
2:05:48 because they’re gonna try to have regularly scheduled speakers
2:05:51 come in and talk to these students.
2:05:52 But I think this would be great for us to implement
2:05:54 as policy and expect it across the board
2:05:57 on all of our high schools.
2:05:58 - My question would be,
2:05:59 do we call it the same thing in every high school?
2:06:01 ‘Cause this policy,
2:06:02 we don’t have to do that this specific way,
2:06:05 but it calls upon us to recognize the name of,
2:06:08 so if it’s SGA at every school,
2:06:11 or every high school,
2:06:13 then,
2:06:14 or do we need to delineate that?
2:06:16 Do we need to say high schools, middle schools?
2:06:18 ‘Cause I don’t know of all of our middle schools
2:06:19 that have those.
2:06:20 - Yeah, I think we could write it up
2:06:22 such as student government or student council,
2:06:24 we could write it up so that there’s a student–
2:06:26 - So it’s flexible if they do something different?
2:06:29 - Body of representative officers of the students,
2:06:31 you know, and call it either student government.
2:06:33 I’m sure we can wordsmith our way through that.
2:06:35 - But every one of our high schools has an organization–
2:06:38 - Either student council or student government, yeah.
2:06:41 - Yeah.
2:06:42 - Let’s give them the flexibility to make it where it’s not,
2:06:45 if they already have something that’s successful,
2:06:47 we’re not changing.
2:06:48 If everybody’s using the same name–
2:06:49 - Then we’re good.
2:06:50 - Yeah.
2:06:51 - So in regards to this,
2:06:53 there’s also the second component that I think,
2:06:56 Dr. Rendell, you have the student government presidents
2:06:59 and some others maybe coming to speak to you?
2:07:01 - Right, superintendent’s advisory council.
2:07:03 - Yep.
2:07:04 And then, so he has that.
2:07:05 I think the other thing is, is absolutely,
2:07:07 I was a former student government sponsor.
2:07:09 I taught student government, you know what I mean?
2:07:11 American government.
2:07:12 There’s another component to this is that Vieira High School
2:07:15 hosts the,
2:07:16 I can’t remember if it’s student government,
2:07:18 or if it’s student council, but like the district.
2:07:21 So they bring over schools from like Orange County and everybody
2:07:23 else,
2:07:24 and it’s massive.
2:07:25 And I think that we can probably do a better job in that space
2:07:30 of supporting them kind of with their drive to have that.
2:07:33 I think when I sat down with them, they had a series of things
2:07:36 that they were requesting that we would be able to support them
2:07:38 on to make them actually better off, like more coordinated time
2:07:41 and stuff like that.
2:07:42 Vieira High actually has a class that they do, that’s student
2:07:45 government, and then they actually meet and they drive a lot of
2:07:49 the leadership across the school.
2:07:50 And it’s a really good supported class.
2:07:52 Now, a lot of your smaller schools have trouble putting that
2:07:55 unit in, right?
2:07:56 Vieira has a lot of kids, but it’s just something that I think
2:07:59 we can look at.
2:07:59 And I just wanted to applaud Dr. Rendell for his work there in
2:08:02 creating that council.
2:08:03 And thank you very much.
2:08:04 So I think we’re going to add that one moving on 5830 student
2:08:08 fundraising.
2:08:09 We revised this in 2021, and I think we’re good to go.
2:08:21 Yeah, we did a lot of work of that with Kevin.
2:08:24 One of the things we had to update was, I think, we had to cover
2:08:31 things like Insta-raise or Snap-raise, the ones that where they’re
2:08:34 not actually selling things or just sending a link and saying, “Will
2:08:37 you donate?”
2:08:37 Yeah.
2:08:38 Yep.
2:08:39 All right.
2:08:40 This will come, let me see here, this will be the last time that
2:08:46 we see this if the staff doesn’t make a recommendation.
2:08:49 So if you guys want any kind of student government or student
2:08:53 fundraising.
2:08:53 So right now, we just updated this.
2:08:56 So the chances are that staff is going to look at it and say, “We’re
2:08:59 good to go,” and then what’s going to happen is they’re going to
2:09:01 stamp it and say, “Revised or reviewed,” whatever it is in the
2:09:05 date.
2:09:05 So if you have any changes that you wish to bring, now’s the
2:09:09 opportunity to do that, if not, we can move.
2:09:12 But this is one of those things that we consistently hear about,
2:09:15 both with, you know what I mean, booster clubs and all this
2:09:18 other stuff.
2:09:18 So you guys are okay or we can kick it and bring it back before
2:09:21 the board again in a future date if you want to take some time
2:09:24 to review.
2:09:25 No, I thought that’s what we were supposed to be doing before we
2:09:31 got here.
2:09:32 Right.
2:09:33 Yep.
2:09:34 This one is a sticky one.
2:09:35 And I know it is because I’m sure it’s got to be the same
2:09:38 everywhere.
2:09:39 There’s a lot of inconsistency around boosters and it seems to
2:09:43 really be prevalent in the sports booster clubs.
2:09:46 So that’s one area where if we can maybe get that all uniformed
2:09:51 and on board on the same track, that would be good because it’s
2:09:54 just all over the place.
2:09:55 And I’m sure if you start looking at different schools, you’ll
2:09:58 see it.
2:09:58 Yeah, I think actually a lot of that is covered in the athletic
2:10:01 handbook and it’s just a matter of us following up on our own
2:10:05 stuff.
2:10:05 And 92-11 is our policy that has to do with booster
2:10:07 organizations.
2:10:08 Yeah.
2:10:09 Because it’s a finance.
2:10:10 Oh, I know, I know.
2:10:11 Yeah.
2:10:12 I’m just telling you, I’m telling you from first-hand experience
2:10:14 and what I’m seeing is it is all over the place depending on the
2:10:17 school and the sport.
2:10:18 And so consistency and sometimes they don’t even know.
2:10:21 They’re like, I don’t even know how to start a booster.
2:10:23 Right.
2:10:24 And I’m like, oh, that’s alarming if you don’t know how to start
2:10:25 a booster and you’re in charge of this, that’s a problem.
2:10:28 So maybe just helping give clear direction.
2:10:32 That way they’re all on the same page and I don’t get calls with,
2:10:35 how do we start a booster?
2:10:37 Those kind of things.
2:10:38 And 92-11 hasn’t been updated in a while.
2:10:41 And I don’t know if we have a, we have a handbook.
2:10:44 We have an athletic handbook, yeah.
2:10:46 Okay.
2:10:47 A lot of ADs didn’t really know we had an athletic handbook, so.
2:10:50 Yeah.
2:10:51 When Mr. Robinson, you know, gives his presentation next week,
2:10:53 he may cover that.
2:10:54 Yeah.
2:10:55 He’s not going to be able to do all of this, but, you know, he
2:10:58 can advise, you know, middle school and high school ADs on how
2:11:02 to navigate through that.
2:11:04 Okay.
2:11:05 Good.
2:11:07 It’s getting on the right track, right?
2:11:08 Yeah.
2:11:09 Oh, yeah.
2:11:10 Yeah.
2:11:11 All right.
2:11:12 So I have no problem with what’s currently here moving forward.
2:11:14 You know, staff take a look at it just to make sure.
2:11:15 Yep.
2:11:16 And if we see anything we want to change, we’ll let you know.
2:11:18 Yep.
2:11:19 Okay.
2:11:20 5840.
2:11:21 Next up is student groups.
2:11:22 It’s identical to what we had before.
2:11:23 If you guys are okay, review it real quick.
2:11:26 Move on.
2:11:27 You good?
2:11:28 No, I didn’t have anything on this one.
2:11:29 All right.
2:11:30 Hasn’t changed since 2002.
2:11:31 Next up is 5890, 5845 is the next NEOLA update.
2:11:37 It says, talks about student activities, orchestra.
2:11:40 This is not in our current policies, but it talks about uniform.
2:11:45 It is.
2:11:46 5845.
2:11:47 58.
2:11:48 Hang on.
2:11:49 Yeah.
2:11:50 It’s not in mine.
2:11:51 Sorry.
2:11:52 Well, we have one.
2:11:53 You want to?
2:11:54 Yeah.
2:11:55 If we’re okay with that, then.
2:11:56 So I had a question on this one.
2:11:58 Go ahead.
2:12:01 You got the floor.
2:12:02 So 5845 in the second paragraph.
2:12:04 So it’s, it, I think it may be, it’s just some confusion.
2:12:07 But when I read through our policy in the second paragraph, it
2:12:09 says, uniforms shall be restricted
2:12:11 to garments comparable to normal street wear in order that the
2:12:14 same can be provided by parents
2:12:15 of little or no extra cost.
2:12:17 As a choir mom, I’m like, wait a minute.
2:12:20 Are you talking about banded choir uniforms?
2:12:22 Or are you talking about like, if the school has a uniform dress
2:12:25 code?
2:12:25 So when I first have banded, I’m like, these girls are renting,
2:12:28 right?
2:12:29 And guys, tuxedos and dresses or whatever.
2:12:33 Or have to have black and white or whatever.
2:12:36 I wouldn’t necessarily consider it necessarily street wear.
2:12:38 But I think what this sentence is talking about is more like a
2:12:43 dress code dress code.
2:12:45 Yeah, I’m not.
2:12:48 For schools.
2:12:49 That part confused me.
2:12:50 Yeah.
2:12:51 Now, the more I look at it, the more I’m not sure exactly what
2:12:54 they’re, what the intent
2:12:55 of that is.
2:12:56 Right.
2:12:57 I mean, we’re not limiting our performing groups to, you know,
2:13:00 you can only put pants
2:13:01 and shirts and whatever.
2:13:02 You can’t have them wear their formal, you know, but I just can,
2:13:05 if we can just clarify
2:13:06 that.
2:13:07 And the formula doesn’t have it listed any differently.
2:13:10 But it’s under student activities.
2:13:14 There’s kind of a, it’s kind of a hodgepodge of things.
2:13:16 There’s a lot of things.
2:13:17 Because first it’s about where they can perform.
2:13:19 And then there’s this thing about uniforms.
2:13:20 And then it goes to where they can, you know, who can go out,
2:13:24 how we do trips outside
2:13:25 of the state.
2:13:26 And then it has this weird sentence about safety patrol.
2:13:30 So it seems like this is like the miscellaneous policy.
2:13:35 So, I mean, if it is a miscellaneous policy, if we can clarify
2:13:41 what that sentence means,
2:13:43 I don’t think there’s any school that is looking at that going,
2:13:45 oh my gosh, I can’t do formal
2:13:47 orchestra gowns or tuxedos.
2:13:49 But let’s, maybe we can like move things around so it’s more
2:13:53 clear.
2:13:54 Well, what’s troubling is that the Neola policy is exactly the
2:13:58 same.
2:13:58 So we’ll reach out to them to see what they, what they interpret
2:14:02 that as.
2:14:03 I mean, I imagine it’s the idea is that you don’t want to ask
2:14:07 the parents to spend an inordinate
2:14:09 amount of money just so they can outfit their kids with what we
2:14:12 believe is the right uniform.
2:14:13 Right, right.
2:14:14 You know, I think that’s the intent of it.
2:14:15 But, you know, as a band parent as well, I know that there’s a
2:14:21 lot of costs associated
2:14:21 with band and basically all of our clubs and activities are
2:14:24 becoming very expensive.
2:14:25 So I’m not sure.
2:14:27 Yeah.
2:14:28 And, you know, a lot of our schools will do like rent a dress.
2:14:30 So it’s only paid $20 or $30 a year.
2:14:32 And then you’re basically covering the dry cleaning costs for
2:14:34 the year.
2:14:34 Yeah.
2:14:35 But then some of them that my kids have been in are, you know,
2:14:37 you pay $60 for your orchestra
2:14:38 dress and you’re going to wear it every year.
2:14:39 And then if you want to sell it to the next kid, you can.
2:14:41 But, you know, I mean, that’s not an inordinate amount when it
2:14:44 comes to stuff.
2:14:45 If you’re thinking about I’m going to wear this for four years,
2:14:47 but still, if we can just provide some clarity on that, I think
2:14:50 that’d be good.
2:14:50 And I haven’t looked at the statute to see if there’s something
2:14:52 in there that says what we can or cannot do.
2:14:54 And I interpret that just even with your example is, you know,
2:14:57 if it’s a black gown, then, you know, if a family owns a black
2:15:00 dress and they can’t afford and no one’s willing to supplement
2:15:03 it, then they can wear the black dress.
2:15:04 But, you know, our communities are very giving and our, I’m
2:15:08 pretty sure that the choir director would figure something out
2:15:12 for a family.
2:15:12 Yes.
2:15:13 To make it happen.
2:15:14 They do.
2:15:15 They do make it happen.
2:15:16 That’s how I’m interpreting that.
2:15:17 Yep.
2:15:18 There’s no reference in the statute regarding uniforms.
2:15:20 To uniforms.
2:15:21 Okay.
2:15:22 So it’s just a random.
2:15:23 Like I said, it probably doesn’t have to do, but we just had
2:15:25 that paragraph about bands, orchestras, and choirs.
2:15:28 So, you know, it, it seemed initially like it replies to them,
2:15:32 but then we have the thing about the, the crossing guards.
2:15:36 So I don’t.
2:15:37 It seems like a little weird.
2:15:38 Yeah.
2:15:39 It’s just a little weird placement.
2:15:40 All that’s in one place.
2:15:41 Mm-hmm.
2:15:42 Yep.
2:15:43 So to me, when it, if this has to do with, let’s not have like
2:15:47 our schools that have dress codes, like our choice schools and
2:15:50 like Cambridge has one and some of the other elementary schools
2:15:52 have them.
2:15:52 Um, that would fall under our uniform policy or our dress code
2:15:55 policy that we just talked about.
2:15:57 So, so, um, thank you so much for that, Ms. Campbell.
2:16:02 Uh, the board in, in this policy right here, I want to talk to
2:16:05 you about what’s coming.
2:16:06 Um, the board grants any school the right to organize a safety
2:16:10 security or safe school safety patrol.
2:16:12 Such a group shall have the authority to not only instruct,
2:16:14 direct and control students at street crossings or near the
2:16:17 school or on school grounds within the building.
2:16:19 Here’s what, um, just the county had just mentioned.
2:16:22 So, they’re saying across the street that they may entertain
2:16:26 allowing 16 to 18 year olds, and we don’t have to agree to this,
2:16:31 but allowed them to be, um, uh, crossing guards.
2:16:35 And the reason behind that is, is that current 16 year olds are
2:16:39 already working as lifeguards saving individuals on the beach.
2:16:42 They should be allowed to cross, um, traffic.
2:16:45 Now, it’s not saying we have to go through that.
2:16:48 They’re going to offer that probably to our 18 year olds.
2:16:52 Now, the question there is, is that if I’m working at O’Galley,
2:16:55 or I’d say I’m at Vieira High School, and I want to be a safety
2:16:59 patrol.
2:16:59 And I can get paid before school starts to run down to the
2:17:01 elementary school, be a safety patrol.
2:17:03 Crossing guard.
2:17:05 I’m sorry.
2:17:06 Crossing guard.
2:17:07 This may be part of that.
2:17:08 And I just wanted to kind of mention it to you.
2:17:10 So, school may be able to say, like Vieira High School right now,
2:17:13 if you go out there before the school starts, there’s literally
2:17:16 cars backed up forever.
2:17:17 Right.
2:17:18 Because they got to turn in there.
2:17:19 Mm-hm.
2:17:20 They have the right, under this policy, to take a student, go
2:17:23 out there and direct the traffic.
2:17:25 Not that they would, but just so you understand what that is.
2:17:27 I think that, that, that might be a little, get a little
2:17:29 confusing because the crossing guard and the safety patrol are
2:17:32 two different things in my mind.
2:17:33 Yeah.
2:17:34 And I don’t.
2:17:35 It’s still, they’re allowed to go out.
2:17:36 The school might be able to, like the safety patrol and the
2:17:38 crossing guard are two different things.
2:17:40 The county regulates the crossing guards.
2:17:41 Right.
2:17:42 They would go through them.
2:17:43 They would be licensed.
2:17:44 They would be all that stuff.
2:17:45 They would be back to our schools or areas, right?
2:17:47 Are you just telling us the point of information?
2:17:48 This is just.
2:17:49 The point of information.
2:17:50 Yeah.
2:17:51 That our element, our Vieira High School and some of those 18
2:17:54 year olds may be able to send
2:17:55 those kids out to do the crossing the streets and stuff like
2:17:57 that, which would really help.
2:17:58 But that would be different from the safety patrol.
2:18:00 Students at street crossings.
2:18:02 Yeah.
2:18:03 It covers street crossings.
2:18:04 That’s all.
2:18:05 Right.
2:18:06 But that wouldn’t be the safety patrols.
2:18:07 We’re not asking our safety patrols to do that.
2:18:08 Well, it gives them the right to do it because it allows
2:18:10 students at street crossings.
2:18:12 Right.
2:18:13 But that would be different from what you’re talking about.
2:18:15 Because if the county is going to hire people to be crossing
2:18:18 guards.
2:18:18 Yep.
2:18:19 County crossing guards are separate.
2:18:20 But what I wanted to say is that if they want to hire people at
2:18:23 18, just understand that
2:18:24 our county schools have the opportunity at 18 to send people out
2:18:26 there to assess.
2:18:27 That’s all.
2:18:29 Or any of the other students.
2:18:31 Okay.
2:18:32 That is 54.85.
2:18:34 Is everybody showing that the next one is 58.95?
2:18:38 58.95.
2:18:39 I’m missing a whole section here.
2:18:44 So what I’m going to do is run through.
2:18:47 I’ll just come through on the Neola piece.
2:18:49 And if we have them.
2:18:50 There’s not any updates.
2:18:51 We’ve pretty much adopted the whole entire thing with options.
2:18:58 It’s all not changed since 2002.
2:19:01 Yep.
2:19:02 So if that’s the case, same statutory rules.
2:19:04 Then, you know what I mean, I’m okay with moving forward and
2:19:08 having it stamped off that
2:19:09 we revised it.
2:19:10 The next one that I have up would be 58.55 student attendance at
2:19:17 school events.
2:19:18 Do we currently have a policy inside your guys?
2:19:20 We don’t have that.
2:19:21 Okay.
2:19:22 I, there’s, yeah, I just wrote no.
2:19:27 I’m going back and looking at my notes.
2:19:29 Basically it’s saying, you know, go to a bunch of.
2:19:33 Right.
2:19:35 Okay.
2:19:36 I’m okay with not having this inside of our school, our policies.
2:19:39 If you guys would like it to be, then you can.
2:19:42 What are your thoughts?
2:19:43 It has to do with, we’re, right.
2:19:46 We’re regulating or not regulating who can come to an activity.
2:19:49 And if they have to have a parent and, and we’re, you know, who’s
2:19:52 going to check on who’s
2:19:54 got kids.
2:19:55 Yeah.
2:19:56 I don’t think we need this policy.
2:19:58 Okay.
2:19:59 The next one up that we have is 58.60 safety patrol.
2:20:03 After all that conversation.
2:20:04 Right.
2:20:05 We don’t have this one either, but I, I.
2:20:08 I feel like we have, if we have 58.45, which even though it’s
2:20:11 just one weird little sentence
2:20:13 down there, I don’t know that we need to come in and.
2:20:16 Nope.
2:20:17 Do this one too.
2:20:18 Nope.
2:20:19 I’m okay with not adding this.
2:20:20 If everybody else is.
2:20:21 We’re okay.
2:20:22 Cause not all of our schools have a safety patrol.
2:20:24 Some of it has to do with their locations and.
2:20:26 Yeah.
2:20:27 You know, a lot of them do.
2:20:28 I mean, elementary is obviously the middle schools and high
2:20:30 schools.
2:20:30 I haven’t ever seen a middle school or high school safety patrol,
2:20:32 but usually our elementary
2:20:34 schools are like opening the doors and shutting the doors and
2:20:37 just there to corral kindergarteners.
2:20:39 Maybe.
2:20:40 Okay.
2:20:41 So the next one I have on here is 58.65.
2:20:43 Again, it’s not inside my book.
2:20:44 I’m not sure if we have it as a policy currently.
2:20:46 We actually don’t have it.
2:20:47 And I believe that it’s out of date.
2:20:50 Um, just looking at the draft notes, this was in 22, the, the 11th
2:20:55 circuit court decision
2:20:57 on St. John’s, um, Andrew St. John’s came out, uh, December 31st
2:21:01 of 2022.
2:21:02 Good.
2:21:03 And so I think, um, this, I would recommend that we don’t.
2:21:06 Okay.
2:21:07 Good.
2:21:08 Moving on to 58, 80.
2:21:09 Wait a minute.
2:21:10 Sorry.
2:21:11 Go back real fast.
2:21:12 You’re recommending that we don’t have.
2:21:13 We don’t.
2:21:14 This, this policy.
2:21:15 It’s not one.
2:21:16 It’s not updated.
2:21:17 And the policy was based on the state board rule that we talked
2:21:20 about.
2:21:20 I remember in our very first meeting, if you’re going to do
2:21:22 something.
2:21:23 It was rescinded by Neola, so.
2:21:25 Right.
2:21:26 In the 23 update.
2:21:27 Right.
2:21:28 Because the policy said, if you’re going to do something besides
2:21:30 separate bathrooms by sex
2:21:32 at birth, then you had to have that policy, but we don’t because
2:21:35 we don’t.
2:21:36 Okay.
2:21:38 So moving on, the next one up that I have here is 58, 80.
2:21:41 Are you showing that inside of our current ones?
2:21:43 Yep.
2:21:44 Okay.
2:21:45 It seems that this is from 2002 again, revised in 2014.
2:21:48 Does anybody have anything they’d wish to add to this?
2:21:51 An administrative procedure.
2:21:52 Yep.
2:21:53 So if staff can please review and add the administrative
2:21:56 procedure, I think we’re in a good place.
2:21:59 Okay.
2:22:00 All right.
2:22:01 Moving on.
2:22:02 58, 95, student employment.
2:22:05 You guys take a look at that.
2:22:07 It’s pretty much the same that it was in 2002.
2:22:10 Anybody wish to add here?
2:22:11 Yeah.
2:22:12 I just had a question about this one because one of the things
2:22:16 that it says is that we
2:22:17 will adopt a rate of pay and approve by the board.
2:22:21 I don’t remember ever doing that, but we are hiring students for
2:22:25 internships.
2:22:26 Mm-hmm.
2:22:27 And since it says, we’ll have the rate of pay shall be
2:22:31 recommended by the superintendent
2:22:33 and approved by the board as far as students that are doing vocational
2:22:37 education on the
2:22:38 job training program.
2:22:39 So we probably just need to go back and make sure.
2:22:41 I don’t, it’s not any changes for the policy, but just make sure
2:22:44 that we’re-
2:22:44 Doing that.
2:22:46 Yep.
2:22:47 Sounds like a plan.
2:22:48 Okay.
2:22:49 Are we, just as a point of curiosity, because the minimum wage
2:22:52 moving to $15 an hour,
2:22:53 I’m assuming students aren’t exempt from that.
2:22:56 Do you know?
2:22:57 I will check.
2:22:58 Okay.
2:22:59 I don’t think they’re exempt either.
2:23:00 I know, like Russ, your department hired a student intern.
2:23:05 Do you know where we’re paying to $15 an hour?
2:23:07 For students.
2:23:10 Okay.
2:23:11 Yeah.
2:23:12 Thank you.
2:23:13 I mean, I figure minimum wage is minimum wage.
2:23:14 I don’t know if there’s an exception because it’s an on the job
2:23:18 training, but-
2:23:19 There are exceptions for ages, but at the ages that this is
2:23:23 referring to, I don’t know that
2:23:25 it would apply.
2:23:26 Okay.
2:23:27 Thank you.
2:23:28 So no, no changes that I would recommend.
2:23:29 I just wanted to clarify that for us and just make sure we’re
2:23:32 doing that.
2:23:33 All right.
2:23:34 So that concludes the 5,000s.
2:23:37 We can begin into the 6,000s if you guys want, but I do believe
2:23:41 that the 6,000s are dealing
2:23:42 with finances.
2:23:43 You guys may want to review them ahead of time.
2:23:44 Yeah.
2:23:45 I’m not ready for that.
2:23:46 If you guys are not ready for that.
2:23:47 I had a couple of things that I was going to talk about that are
2:23:50 coming up on the next
2:23:51 agenda item just to kind of bring you guys up to speed on them.
2:23:54 Okay.
2:23:55 On the next agenda.
2:23:56 But if you guys have a second, do you guys wish to say anything
2:23:58 before we get out of here?
2:23:59 Yeah.
2:24:00 I have one thing I would like to discuss actually.
2:24:01 Okay.
2:24:02 It’s more of a question, I think, for Paul.
2:24:05 And so I don’t know if you want me to go first or you want me to.
2:24:07 Yeah.
2:24:08 I mean, if anybody else.
2:24:09 Yeah.
2:24:10 Paul, just as a point of reference, because this keeps getting
2:24:13 asked of myself, where are
2:24:14 we at with the Book Review Committee?
2:24:15 That has been brought up multiple times.
2:24:17 And I know we discussed the fact that we need to go back to
2:24:19 policy changing.
2:24:20 Right.
2:24:21 Yeah.
2:24:22 It’s in the works.
2:24:23 It’s with staff.
2:24:24 Yeah.
2:24:25 Tara’s working on it.
2:24:26 All right.
2:24:27 So just for the public to know, is there any kind of expected
2:24:30 timeline so that we can convey
2:24:32 to them?
2:24:33 I don’t put those on staff, but.
2:24:35 I know.
2:24:36 Sorry, Tara.
2:24:37 She’s like.
2:24:38 And part of that answer, we were also waiting for State Board of
2:24:41 Education rules.
2:24:41 Yep.
2:24:42 And can you clarify if they finished with their process?
2:24:47 Okay.
2:24:48 Thank you.
2:24:49 So we are awaiting the rulemaking and clarification, but that is
2:24:59 our first policy that we’ll be
2:25:04 bringing.
2:25:05 We have to revise our policy so that aligns and then also get
2:25:10 your input because in looking
2:25:12 at that policy around with parents having the opportunity to
2:25:17 object and those procedures
2:25:20 around principles informing their communities of how parents can
2:25:24 object to instructional materials.
2:25:26 We want to include that all in that same policy so that we bring
2:25:29 it as well as gathering information
2:25:32 from you at the work session to things that you may want
2:25:35 specific to Brevard in that process.
2:25:38 So that will be the first policy we come forward with you during
2:25:42 a work session to gather.
2:25:44 Here’s how it will align with the revisions to new statute, but
2:25:48 also these specific items
2:25:50 that Brevard wants to add to that policy all in one package.
2:25:54 Okay.
2:25:56 The timeline is it will be the very first thing that I’m doing.
2:25:59 It’s on my desk right now.
2:26:01 Okay.
2:26:02 Thank you guys.
2:26:03 Is that okay?
2:26:04 I have a question.
2:26:07 And I might be wrong here, but didn’t, when it was ceased or
2:26:12 paused, didn’t they already
2:26:15 start reviewing a book or had they completed one and then it was
2:26:19 paused?
2:26:20 They had completed one, but I don’t believe any findings were
2:26:24 brought forward.
2:26:25 Okay.
2:26:26 And so I believe that it was completed.
2:26:28 But in the meantime, all of those were pulled off the shelves
2:26:32 just to be in compliance.
2:26:34 Anything that has been opposed.
2:26:35 Okay.
2:26:36 So I guess I should have just asked a question in a different
2:26:39 way of, were we in the middle
2:26:40 of a book?
2:26:41 And if we were, would we have to enact the previous policy that
2:26:44 it started with?
2:26:45 I think that would only apply to if we have new members of the
2:26:48 committee, if we have to,
2:26:49 I haven’t looked at the new rules, but if we have the same five
2:26:51 members of the committee,
2:26:52 they, they should have completed the book and we’re ready.
2:26:54 Right.
2:26:55 Because we canceled that meeting like the.
2:26:56 Right.
2:26:57 Three days before.
2:26:58 Right.
2:26:59 And then that would just move forward.
2:27:00 Right.
2:27:01 So that committee would, their recommendation would move forward.
2:27:03 Right.
2:27:05 But they didn’t, they didn’t meet yet.
2:27:06 But I’m just saying, I think where you’re getting it, as soon as
2:27:08 we approve the new policy,
2:27:09 can that committee go ahead and meet like as soon as we can
2:27:11 schedule them.
2:27:13 Absolutely.
2:27:14 Right.
2:27:15 Okay.
2:27:16 Anybody else got anything?
2:27:17 Thank you.
2:27:18 All right.
2:27:19 Just wanted to kind of give you guys, just as I spoke earlier, I
2:27:22 asked Gibbs to give
2:27:23 us an expected review date for these policies as they come out
2:27:27 and just say, hey, staff,
2:27:29 the 2000s, if you guys can review them by X date so that we can
2:27:32 start kind of getting them
2:27:34 in order.
2:27:35 We’re starting to pound away at these pretty good.
2:27:36 And it doesn’t mean that we have to rush them, just that we have
2:27:39 a date that we know
2:27:40 on the back end, because Paul’s staff is actually going through
2:27:43 and making those implementations
2:27:44 and additions and all that stuff.
2:27:46 And there’s not too many of them.
2:27:47 So thank you, Paul, for doing that.
2:27:48 I appreciate it.
2:27:49 Yeah.
2:27:50 The ones are coming up, but the twos are, starting with the twos,
2:27:53 it goes to staff.
2:27:55 Yep.
2:27:56 Yeah.
2:27:57 So if we can just say, hey, by, you know, September, whatever,
2:27:59 if you can review these
2:28:00 policies and stuff like that, we have a, we have a presentation
2:28:03 on athletics coming.
2:28:04 It’s one of the presentations.
2:28:05 It’s going to be really cool.
2:28:07 Kevin’s been working really hard on that.
2:28:09 Give him all the credit in the world.
2:28:11 And then I had two that I added.
2:28:12 I just wanted to kind of let you guys know about.
2:28:14 The first one is, is there was some conversations wrapped around
2:28:18 going out to bid more than what
2:28:19 we normally do and stuff like that.
2:28:21 And I realized when I was reviewing all of those kind of notes
2:28:24 that we don’t have like
2:28:27 contract performance reviews that are inside.
2:28:30 So like there was a mention that like some of the board members
2:28:34 during the discussion had
2:28:36 said, hey, maybe we go out to bid every year or something like
2:28:38 that.
2:28:39 And then staff says, well, we can’t go out to bid every year
2:28:41 because there is time to implement.
2:28:43 There’s time to do all that stuff.
2:28:45 But we get reviewed as teachers every year.
2:28:47 Staff gets reviewed as teachers every year.
2:28:49 There’s no reason on certain contracts that we can’t do a
2:28:51 performance review every year.
2:28:53 So like if we are contracted to do X, Y and Z, that that that
2:28:57 that department that oversees
2:28:58 that gives a review real quick of, hey, you did perform these
2:29:02 duties so that in the event
2:29:04 that we’re getting ready to go out to RFP or something like that,
2:29:06 you have we know that this
2:29:08 is a good count.
2:29:09 You know, this is somebody that’s been doing their job or
2:29:10 something like that.
2:29:11 So I kind of mentioned it from a 30,000 foot view to Dr. Rendell.
2:29:15 Dr. Rendell said, hey, bring it before the board in seven days.
2:29:18 So I just wanted to let you guys know when you see that, that’s
2:29:20 what that is.
2:29:21 That in a discussion, you put it on a discussion.
2:29:24 Just these are just discussions for the next board meeting.
2:29:27 There’s no implementation.
2:29:28 We’ll just kind of bring it forward, discuss it and stuff like
2:29:30 that.
2:29:31 See if we want to move forward with it or not.
2:29:33 The other one is, is that we ran into and Ms. Campbell’s
2:29:36 probably aware of this.
2:29:37 Our citizen advisors that sit on many of our committees, there
2:29:42 was some conversation wrapped
2:29:44 around like this most recent one, hey, we need to do background
2:29:47 checks or whatever, right?
2:29:49 Aside that, I realized when we were talking about that, that we
2:29:53 don’t have like a strong policy
2:29:55 in place about the actions of individuals while they’re on our
2:29:57 committees, right?
2:29:59 So here’s a perfect example.
2:30:01 I’m not going to name any names, but we used to have an
2:30:02 insurance advisory committee.
2:30:05 And on that insurance advisory committee, we had individuals who
2:30:08 worked for the people
2:30:10 that we contracted directly with.
2:30:12 And during those meetings, we’re steering, leveraging themselves
2:30:17 to receive more of a market share.
2:30:18 Like it’s literally in there.
2:30:20 So there’s conflicts of interests.
2:30:22 There’s also situations where people may have like open lawsuits
2:30:26 against us and stuff like that.
2:30:27 So I think that there’s needs to be some sort of a standards of
2:30:30 conduct or these are what we expect of you that is there.
2:30:34 And those kind of qualifiers, we don’t really have.
2:30:37 So like when we had that insurance advisory committee, there was
2:30:40 nothing saying, well, this is a conflict of interest.
2:30:42 You need to get off.
2:30:43 Well, actually the charter of the advisory committee said, but
2:30:46 it just wasn’t implemented.
2:30:48 And then as a result of that, we changed the charter and removed
2:30:51 those members of the committee.
2:30:54 So now it’s just our employee members.
2:30:57 There’s not a thing that says, out of everybody that’s on our
2:30:59 committees, these are the things that we need to do
2:31:02 to make sure that there’s no conflicts of interest.
2:31:04 So what I’d like to do is bring forward some of the ideas next
2:31:06 week and just discuss it.
2:31:08 Do we want to put something like that together?
2:31:10 If not, feel it back.
2:31:11 And the argument would be that we have examples of stuff that’s
2:31:15 happened before on our insurance
2:31:16 subcommittee committee.
2:31:17 And I think that those are some of the things that we can avoid.
2:31:19 So with that, I just wanted to kind of give you the heads up.
2:31:21 We don’t need to talk about it now.
2:31:22 I just wanted to tell you it’s coming up on discussion.
2:31:24 And I’ll write a little description and stuff like that for you.
2:31:27 So anybody else have any other things you want to do?
2:31:30 Okay.
2:31:31 With that, I think it’s the end of the meeting.
2:31:32 Thank you very much.
2:31:38 Thank you.