Updates on the Fight for Quality Public Education in Brevard County, FL
0:00 Audio rolling. Good afternoon. The June 6th, 2023 board work session is now in order. Paul, roll call please. Mr. Sheen. Here. Ms. Wright? Here. Ms. Campbell? Here. Mr. Trent? Here. Ms. Jenkin. I’m trying to find a flag, you guys. Um, well the water tower, the water tower is that way. So if we can get ‘em to go that way, that’d be good.
0:25 Um, please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance. We go, you know, the water tower’s that way. I guess that’s the best flag we could find. Alright. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice.
0:44 For, to kick this off, we’re pork session, we’ll be playing an icebreaker. Oh yes. Uh, introduction game. So with that, um, Ms. Tammy, do you wanna take it over? Yeah. So obviously we’re gonna test how keen your investigative skills are. We have slides in here for Jennifer, but since she’s not here, we’ll just like bypass them.
1:04 Okay. We still good? Can we still guess on ‘em? Well, do you know which one is? Yeah. You can’t. I think so. I have to look and see. It’s been a few. Which one We’ll tell you. She, I think I know it all. Okay. Ready? Okay. So the first one is Dr. Rene. I have served, do you wanna read it? I have served 30 foot waves on the north shore of Hawaii.
1:27 So we’re, this is back. So are we supposed to say true or false or are we supposed go through all of them and at the end you have a chance to all of investigate to find out which one is the lie. All of his or just Yes, all of his. Alright. I have stood in the Eastern and Western hemisphere at the same time.
1:43 Be done this way. Ready? I have flown with the navy’s blue angels. Well, now it’s time to investigate. So however long you guys wanna spend on this. Whatever you think you need. He is on the floor for some questions. All right. Oh, we get to ask, did you serve successfully though? 34. This is not how I played his name.
2:02 Yeah. Yeah. There’s no other way to do it. What board were you using when you did So Jerry Lopez. Seven, three. Did you catch a, like a um, boat out when you did it? Jet ski too? Yeah, jet skiing. What country were you in when you stood in? Both hemispheres. Uh, England.
2:23 Like saw really good. Yeah, I’m like
2:29 so which is the lie? Did you pass out when you were in the Blue Angels? I did not really six G and I did not pass out. Ziegler went out like a light cheese and he went up there and we have to guess now which one’s False. Okay. Yes, we’re gonna go around for a little bit. Okay. Which one’s false?
2:51 One?
2:55 I’m going three. Gene? Uh, two. And Matt one. Which one’s false? Wait, I was just us guessing. I mean, that’s all I was thinking. Paul’s an attorney. Paul, Mary Omar. I’m laughing at mine that I gave. You’re saying one? Yeah. Okay. Attorneys have to know who’s time. The two. Okay. What you say? One? Yeah. Miss Joe two.
3:23 All. All right. You wanna break? Allison hasn’t weigh in yet. Oh, Allison, which one? Wait. Allison, do you know? Do you know? Alright, Allison, what? I know you do know. So yeah, so you can wait. Then I’ll go answer is, which one did Allison say? Um, I guess, we’ll, we’ll go with one. Okay. So I have flown to Navy’s, blue Angels.
3:45 That’s, uh, I was a key influencer like Ziegler, so I flew in Blue Angel number seven. I did make it to six Gs I did never pass out. Did not pass out and I did not, uh, vomit or anything like that. Wow. Good for you. That is actually a feat. Like more than not, people go out. That’s why I’m like, when he said that, I’m like, no way.
4:03 That’s not true. Yep. I have stood in the eastern and western hemisphere at the same time. In Greenwich, England, you can stand right on the par 500 end with one foot in each hemisphere. I have not surfed 30 foot waves on the north shore of Hawaii. I have surfed on the south shore of Hawaii in the smaller waves on Waikiki Beach and in Kauai, but I have not surfed on the north shore.
4:26 I, if it’s higher than me, it’s too high. One point. Yeah. The majority picks number one point. All got a point. Not got a point. And Allison got a point. Oh, good job guys. Good job. What’s unique about the G’S in a plane is that women can take on average two more G’s than men and they’ve never figured it out.
4:45 Well there’s something, there’s just some bizarre thing and they women take more jeans. They do that in divorce too. Oh my. He did not. Oh, wow. Still being messed up. Katie Campbell Uhoh. Alright, I, number one, I’m stepped foot on all seven continents. Two, I run in three half marathons. Three. I was in a country music video and I don’t know what your why was, so Yeah, I intentionally didn’t give it to you.
5:17 So it’s gonna be So keep track of who’s who got it. Correct. Okay. What, um, which country music video do you have it where they’re all three? Up there again. Oh, Eddie Rabbit. I’m sorry, which one is it? Eddie Rabbit. Eddie Rabbit. Oh, a little rainy. You can’t do that. I’m not allowed to use it. No, you can’t Google Antarctica.
5:38 Yeah, I know. I was thinking, you know, you can go and like, see penguins, uh, and do like a. You, you don’t like stay there like a hotel, but you can go across at the end to of South America and go see the Katie’s not gonna be very good at lying, so we should just ask her a bunch of questions.
6:00 The three half marathon’s all in Florida? Um, yes. How long is a half marathon? 13.1 miles.
6:11 Hmm. Was one on the Disney the princess?
6:22 I’m just laughing ‘cause mine line I like Y’all are gonna laugh so hard. Alright, y’all ready to go? Okay. And we gotta vote now. Let you vote. And Katie, you have to keep track ‘cause I don’t know if the answer is. Oh, okay. Well all Oh, and the country, country music video. Did you sing or were you, what did you do?
6:46 I, um, was a, I had a little speaking line and I’ll get background.
6:56 Okay. Oh, this is hard. Well, I’m going with number one. Okay. This is be quite a feat, but yeah.
7:06 Alice, how much one are you going for? I’m gonna go with number one. Alright. One. Wow. Everybody goes with one. I can’t lose two. One. Someone’s gonna pick three though. I’m picking three. I’m picking three I two. Her answer. I know she was, you know, you’re right. That’s why I shady. I didn’t like that. Yeah.
7:28 Speaking part back. Are you changing your vote? You gonna stick with two? I’m gonna stick with two. All right. Paul? One.
7:37 All right. You can vote on this one. Tammy. I, I’m staying, I wanna say two. Okay. Every break up. Yeah. Um, so I have run three half marathons, the Disney Princess, half the Melbourne music, half that goes over both causeways, which a really fun one. They put like grand pianos on the causeway and everything. And then went across to St.
7:55 Pete Beach and ran, uh, the St. Pete Beach Classic, I think is what it’s called. Um, so I also was in a country music video. I was in the second grade and Eddie Rabbit came to Fort Worth to record, um, a patriotic, um, thing. And I was, I had a little line that said, and Betsy Ross started a sewing circle and then I actually got to run up and sit in his lap.
8:20 Um, which is a funny story because after I said my line, all the kids were around him on this wagon and I wasn’t gonna be in that shot. And I walked up to the director seven years old and said, um, why don’t I get to be in that part? And he was like, uh, uh, uh, so he’s like, here, why don’t you come up and after you say your line and sit in this lap and then we got to go to Billy Bob’s, which if you’re not from, from you, dunno whether it’s a big country music place.
8:41 I have stepped foot in five continents, but I have not been to Antarctica. But the PA thing is true. You can do that. Um, and I haven’t been to Australia. Nice. It just takes so long to get down there and it’s like, it’s a stretch, but I have friends who down it who have been on all seven incontinent. So I’ve been to Kenya, China.
9:00 I was born in Europe and went there last fall. And then I’ve been to Ecuador and South America and several places in North America. So the end. So who got the correct answer? Um, mark, Allison, Matt and Paul. I’m just gonna first, second, apologize. Just copy his answer. Okay. Journey skills. Who’s next? It is next.
9:29 Why laughing? I’m like, you guys have all like, really gonna read them out loud? Yep. I met my husband at Hooters. I worked two jobs while completing high school. I have several hidden tattoos. Time to investigate, time to investigate. Mine are so funny. So are your tattoos, pictures or words? A combination of both.
9:58 What jobs were you working in high school I worked at a restaurant that sold chicken wings and hot dogs. And then I also worked answering phones at a mortgage company,
10:10 which Hooters Mart Island, which I don’t think it’s open anymore. I don’t know. No, there’s caution. Taper up. Okay. See Small app. I met my husband. Right? Probably shoulda have always been caution tape. Maybe that was always there. I don’t, yep. Alright. Well I think working two jobs at high school is admirable, but also believable and completely believable.
10:33 So yes too. All right. You ready for us to vote? Ready? I tell this answer so I’m not voting. I’m gonna go with number three. I have several hidden tattoos. Okay.
10:51 Okay. Oh, boom. Go with number one. Number one. All right. Have my husband at Hooters. I’m going with three. Okay. Matt, which one are you going with? Three. Definitely. You guys all think I’m not my husband at Hooters, huh? Mostly. Well, it wasn’t one of your jobs there, so, um, that’s the good news, right? If I wanna set owners, you wanna really be like, wait a minute.
11:19 Yeah, I’m trying to go for the perfect zero score today. So I’m gonna say two. Two, okay. Three.
11:37 Okay. Three. All right. Is that it? Everyone? All right. I, um, I did actually meet my husband at Hooters. It was in the parking lot. Uh, we, yeah, met through mutual friends and I said he was gonna my ex-boyfriend and now almost 19 years later, we were still married. So, um, I did actually meet him there. I was not working there.
11:54 And I did work two jobs during high school, so that is true. Um, and I do not have any tattoos because your girl does not like self-inflicted pain. And I’m scared of needles, so I have no tattoos and I will stay true to the original campus that God gave me. So there you go. Opinion. All right. So, so far we have Dr.
12:12 Ell Matton. Paul Gibbs is Ty for three. Oh man. You guys are good at those games on. Okay. So I think that we’re on. Okay. Jean Trent. Oh, alright. I’ve never watched an episode of Sopranos. Okay. I’m just amazed at the picture. Yeah, the pictures. Isn’t that a soprano or isn’t that the guy attracted yet? It, it’s, it’s him wax.
12:37 It’s the only I could find. I was thinking a lot. It looks like a wax figure. That took a little too much time. Yeah, I’d rather five minutes. It was close to the window for too long. All right. So I’ve never watched an episode of The Sopranos. I got a perfect score on the math portion of the s a t and I have vacationed in Haiti.
13:00 Where at in Haiti did you vacation the beach. Which one? Oh, uh, the left one. Wow. You’re not selling that very well. Listen, I vacationed a lot in college and I don’t remember where they were, so, yeah. Wow. So what is the, I know you’ve not watched it. You’re saying claiming not watched it, but what is the Sopranos about?
13:22 ‘cause I don’t even know the guy. Please don’t tell me. You don’t dunno that I seriously have not watched You’ve never watched The Sopranos? No, that’s, oh, it, it’s the mob. It’s the family.
13:34 Next time I’m out at a flea market, I’ll get a, they’re always like, the DVD sets are always for sale. Oh yeah. Taking my kids around all the time. They love flea markets. I get one. Hmm. And a perfect score in your math portion of the s a t. Huh?
13:50 So did I, by the way. Oh, very nice. When you were a teacher, what subject did you teach? Math. Math.
14:01 All right. You ready? Yeah. Okay, go for it. I’m gonna go to,
14:09 I’m going with, uh, you know what? Cruises go to 80 though, now that I say that. Oh, he definitely queued it up on that one. Mm-hmm. He definitely said, oh, I don’t know because he, I’m going too. Also
14:27 the left one. Really? He might be the last one wanted answer. So I’ll go with one.
14:39 Paul got one
14:46 who’s left? Matt has an answer. Have you? No, I have an answer. What do you think? I always go last three. I’ll go, I’ll go two. I’ll have one. One. Yeah. ‘cause the other guys’ want one. And I’ll be tied the first if I get You’re harder. So the answer is, uh, which one’s gonna lie? Number two? Number two. My first one I got right.
15:14 So now the Tide we’re So is that like your favorite show? No, I don’t. Alright. I don’t wanna lie for to full transparency. I, I did this wrong. And number one is also false.
15:28 Had one. I’ll give you the point. Had two mind of the truth. I did. So you uh, so you have watched, I have never watched an episode of the Soprano, so it’s true. Oh, I said never. I have never watched an episode. It’s alright guys. First cup of coffee saw. No, no, no. That one is And you And you have Vacation.
15:48 Vacation. Haiti. It is on the cruise. Cruise. The cruise. I thought afterwards, because you don’t go anywhere other than where they drop off. Well I’ve done missions work in Haiti. That’s why I was asking. Yeah, that’s right. I’m very familiar with that country. So, yeah. Yeah. Two, I’ve never taken the s a t otherwise I would’ve gotten a perfect score.
16:04 Sure. The only reason it’s the a c t in the, in the Midwest. We take a lot. It’s funny that you use that because when we did our Get to Know You game, when I first got on the board, that was one of the things that I heard. And you did get a perfect score on the Wow. See that would’ve been dual on the math part.
16:19 On the math part Wrong. I figured. Because you’re musical and music and math goes well. Okay. And I do not know what Jennifer’s lie is, so I was just looking. Okay, so, so we’ll have to, we should call, just text her while we’re doing it. She’ll answer. Yeah. But we can’t, I’m sure it doesn’t hurt the text. Well, I’ll, I’ll text him and we’ll add it afterwards.
16:40 And alpaca greeted my wedding guest. Oh my God. That would be the weirdest thing. I think I actually have heard that story. My cat’s name is Elton John. I believe that. I think that’s true. Yeah. A hundred percent. That picture’s funny. I’m an avid surfer. Oh no, I know. That’s a lie. ‘cause she’s spray of the water.
16:59 Yeah. Number one. It’s true because I think she like did a, a resort wedding. Don’t have like destination wedding. Oh, that’s llamas Llama spit. Do alpaca spit. Like that could be really bad. Cute though. Welcome. I do. Yeah, she did. It’s that one. She’s afraid of the water. Okay. So I’m not, her husband is a rapid surfer.
17:18 Yeah, I, I believe that. Yeah. All. So we’re all banking. Three is the lie. Ugh. Anybody. I’m gonna ruin my perfect Zero. And we’ll ask, I should not have given you my clues. Yeah, you should. A while that to myself. So just onto the next. Yeah. Yeah. So, Paul, I was born in Europe. Wait, that was yours, Katie. Hold on.
17:40 Yeah. Hmm. Did we all get it right? Well, we don’t know. We were skip Well, we’re not, we’re not actually guessing on that one. Well, we all did. Guess you wanna guess something? You should guess in case there’s a tiebreaker. I mean, you, I have no idea. There’s no trophy at end. Yeah. I get all snack. I have plan some.
17:56 We brought your snacks that Oh, she’s gonna plan the tiebreaker. Yeah. Maybe we’ll pass ‘em off to the, oh my. No, we’re not packing those in a children. I put one in a bag out there. Okay. So first is, I was born, I was born in Europe. I’m extremely boring. I have a personal best breed. I of 60 14.
18:21 What part of Europe were you born in? Paul? Central. Central. What specific town were you born? City was born in, it was born in Netherlands, Herling and Holland. Okay.
18:39 Somebody’s gotta ask some more questions. Why do you think you’re boring? I do nothing boring. You take care of your kids, man. That’s the point. Do that.
18:55 Where did you do the, the dive?
19:03 This is hard. What is a free dive? Mean? Like no tank. Yeah, no tank. How far can you go down? Get back up. Oh. How long does it take to go? 64 feet down and back up? It seems like that would be some time. Depends on how long you can hold your breath. But how long would it take you? Two and a half minutes. Did you use flippers when you did it or did you Yeah.
19:24 Okay. Um, was your, were your parents in the military? My dad was in the Air Force. Okay.
19:37 Hmm.
19:41 How often do you dive? What? How often do you dive? As often as I can. I love you guys.
19:52 Let’s do this somebody else. Small person. That’s one. If we say, if we say anything but two, then we’re agreeing that Paul is extremely boring. This is a lose. Yeah. Oh. But he was so convincing. Okay. I’m not going first on this one. I know. I don’t wanna go first either. I go first. Number three. You think number three?
20:17 It’s probably like 56 feet. I mean, if you’re a free diver, you’re not boring. So Yeah. Kind of contradict. Yeah,
20:26 I think he’s extremely secretive. I gonna go with what puts him in blocks to his feet. I’m gonna go with two still. Boringly secret going down this when he got out. Yeah, the mob got him out there. Okay. Paul, what’s your guess?
20:46 Can’t trick. What? You guys all laugh. Um, uh, I’m going number one.
20:58 I’ll go to three just ‘cause I feel like it’s probably 50 feet or something like that. He’s just big technical. Yeah. Added a couple extra on there. Not saying he’s boring,
21:13 but you are. He is very quiet. We don’t know. We don’t know. Sneaky. You could play a rock mail on the weekend. We don’t know that. That would be a plot twist, wouldn’t it? Wow. Screamer got like stage pick three. All right. What we stage? I already said. What’d you say? Three. Three. All right. Matt Outlaw. I’m going last.
21:33 You are last. You’re last. Am I last? Yes, you are. I’ll do three. ‘cause I, I do a lot of snorkeling and that is hard to do. I can, I can hold my breath for almost four minutes when I was in high school and I would go down 30 feet. My lungs would collapse. So 64 feet is a deep, is this wrong? That’s like a, I think that’s pretty close to like a state record or something.
21:52 A state. I don’t know. Like it’s, I know there’s some freaks in the, there’s some freaks in the Caribbean that can go pretty deep. Yeah, that is deep. Like you go down there, you hit 30 feet. It don’t, you can’t breathe. We can’t breathe underwater anyway, so you that, right?
22:10 You’d just be technical. There you go. We used to take a garden hose and I’d be on the bottom of the reef at 30 feet and the garden hose would collapse that deep. It couldn’t hold. It couldn’t stay open. ‘cause of the, all right, Paul. Wow. Which one is the, can’t change your resume now. I was born in Europe.
22:25 I’m extremely boring. Yeah. I have never preto. But you did some, what was, what was 64 feet? What? What was 64? What made you do 64? Nothing came up. So now we’re tied among Dr. Ell and Matt. Yeah. But if I can’t guess like how Right. But he’s gotta guess. I gotta guess. Right. He’s gotta get it right and then if not, then it goes to a tie breaker.
22:51 But if he gets it. Are you sure that worked out? I got’em. All right. I mean, I marked it. I can’t remember honestly, but are you ready? Yep. Matt. You gonna read that? Oh, you want me to? Yeah. I was looking up the deepest, oh, it looks, it sounds more fun than read it. I was a walk-on for the Bobby Bouton F S U football team.
23:11 My great-grandfather was the Detroit Michigan chief of police and I have a political science degree from the University of Florida.
23:22 What do you got? Three. Three? Three. You guys are all saying three. Yeah, because he went to F S U doesn’t mean I got my political science degree there. It means I got my history degree there. I did get a history degree. Fs, I didn’t think a degree. Florida. I’m three as well. You guys are all same three. And you really think my grandfather was the chief of police in Detroit.
23:45 You have people all over the police. Yeah. You did go to F SS U. So I, yeah, 3 1 1 is a stretch for me, but he says he plays rugby now though, so I’m like, maybe I could, I mean, it didn’t say he made the team. He said he walked on the field.
24:06 He didn’t even say walked on. There was the coach. Would’ve been the coach. So, okay. Yeah, I’m going three because of the whole gator, anti gator. Wait, Dr. Al hasn’t answered. I just think it would be pretty interesting if he got his science degree from Florida. So like I don’t think he’d put that in there if he didn’t, if he put number one on there.
24:31 But he’s like a diehard F S U fan. He’s a diehard F S U fan. He is a, an athlete and I feel like he, in his mind, he wishes he had walked on at Florida State. So I’m gonna go with number one as an unfulfilled dream. Oh, I like it. I like that tactic. Its tough. Did everybody vote? I believe everybody voted All right.
24:53 The answer. So in, in 94, I did walk on and make the team under Bobby. Um, I played a full season, and then Bobby called us all in to walk-ons to his office at the end of the year, he said, and I got my ass kicked off season. So like I ran the scout team offenses quarterback, and then the scout team defense is outside linebacker.
25:10 And Bobby called us all in and he said, he says, guys, I love what you’re doing, but I just wanna set the, set the standard that you’ll never see the field because we have so many scholarship athletes that if I put you up there in front of mama and all this other stuff, that was his thing. But he wanted to be honest with me.
25:24 I’m like, oh, because I just watched Rugby Rudy and I thought I was gonna be, you know, you’re gonna do it. I walked off the field and I went in. I, I, as I was walking out, the rugby team was playing across the street and I just played rugby for three more years. And so that was, that. My great grandfather was the Detroit, Michigan chief of police.
25:40 Mm-hmm. He, uh, ran a pretty tough, and I never got a political science degree. I, my, I refused to even go there half the time. My daughter has to meet me outside. That’s what I was gonna say. Um, I refuse to go on campus Tie Gator. Yeah. I see. I’ll throw exit people. Like I do not like the University of Florida.
25:57 The Gators are all, you know, that’s just how it works. That’s why I’m like, if you’re diehard, I miss you. You’re not i’ll for football if they’re not playing Florida State. Mm-hmm. Because they’re a Florida team. But I will tell you, and they’re basically communists, so some people wanna have caught up then.
26:11 Yeah. That’s a tie. Pick three. So the winner is a tie among Dr. Rondell, Matt s and Paul. Oh, a threeway tie. So now one thing, what did Paul get wrong? Which the challenge is on, I I was thinking something fun like I got his wrong. See who could do the Heidi’s the longest? What? Oh, wait a minute. Wait a minute.
26:34 What short? I thought it was gonna be we can free dry. You guys aren’t really fun about pink. Competitive. You just do rock paper scissor, but you might be a little less slight. Can you do that three way. Mmm. I think you can arm wrestle. Can you text arm wrestle? Can you text Jennifer? Well we all voted together.
26:53 Yeah, it’s all the same, but I don’t think Paul wants to arm wrestle. I think we’re gonna have to or flip a The coin should be determine. Yeah. Flip the coin. Do you have a quarter? You can do that. Flip the coin or you can pick another. I don’t have between one and 10, whoever gets calls, stuff like that.
27:07 Okay, wait a second. Let think I number back. I got a number. Does, comes up with two quick three and a lie and three. I come up. Can you my damn number? Matt number? No, he goes for I go. Last call. The number set number. You got me boxed. Come right in the middle. Yeah. Found, screwed, did. Oh man. Um, you kind of are that.
27:28 Yeah, you’re screwed now. I should have gone. I go eight, six. Paul’s a winner. Whoa, I outta the middle. You should have gone five. If he’d go five it would’ve been he had gone in the medal. Chance to have another run. I didn’t even think about it. Alright. Good job Paul. Alright, so just so you, just so everybody knows that 10 30, Paul and I have a time certain go where, where are we set up for that?
27:52 Right here, right next door. Is it all wifi up and ready to go? So we got like five minutes call. Okay. So we’re good to go. We just leave it like 10, 25 or something and get set up. All right. So the first thing is, is that we talked about, um, Ms. Campbell wanted to talk about working guidelines. I figured this was a better, better, uh, workshop for it.
28:09 Um, and I think it’s a good avenue to do today rather than at the board meeting. So with that, I need one. I got it. Oh, there we go. Thank you. I do have two.
28:29 Alright. Ms. Campbell, if you wanted to delete it off, it’s kind of your discussion from the beginning. Yeah, well I thought this would be, it’s always, we should probably review these a couple times a year just to, you know, Keep ‘em fresh. Um, and I thought it would be a good time with Dr. Ell coming on, um, because this is an agreement, not just, it’s not just a support working guidelines, but agreements we make with the superintendent.
28:51 We have always have opportunity to make adjustments if you, there’s something that you see. Um, but these are our expectations of you, your expectations of us and the staff. Um, and these are the things that if we, these are the, the agreements we make, you know, kind of gentleman’s agreement, gentle women’s agreements with each other.
29:09 These are things that keep us on the news for negative reasons, um, that we can, that we can avoid. There’s some things we can’t ‘cause people are not gonna like all decisions that we make, but sometimes, you know, we board members can be, um, uh, guilty of just, you know, doing stupid things. We don’t wanna do stupid things.
29:27 So this, so I just thought we’d just walk through, especially since it’s Dr. Rendell’s, um, first chance to kinda meet with us all together and let’s just walk through. So, Matt, do you wanna read or you want me to do that, or? Well, you wanna read every single one of them? Well, it’s, I think it’d probably be a good idea, we don’t have to stop and not discuss each one, but just kind of go through, um, if you don’t, we don’t have to.
29:49 No, I, I just, um, let’s read ‘em. It’s not gonna, yeah, we talk. Let’s go ahead. Alright. Um, so the expectations for board meetings and agendas, the board expects regular communication with the superintendent monthly via monthly meetings. And some of us have already set those up. Some people wanted more than monthly.
30:07 So yeah, I know you’re, you know, Allison’s setting us up for you to be notified by email or text message as soon as possible for school emergencies, student emergencies and staff emergencies, um, to receive board agendas and supporting documentation 14 days before the scheduled board meeting with limited exceptions.
30:27 And for our new boarders, that’s usually means like our regular board meetings, obviously special meetings, we. And workshops, those get adjusted, um, that all board members will receive the same information one member’s request for additional information results and all members receiving or having the same access to information and special communications are done for all board members.
30:45 So can we stop and look at four a real quick? Yeah. Yeah. So, so I’ve been approached by a couple, um, cabinet members and other district personnel. They’re like, so if a board member reaches out and asks for information, it’s been our practice recently, they say to respond back with the information to all board members, kind of with preface the email with, Hey, a board member asked for this information, so I’m sending it to all board members.
31:08 Is that what you guys are asking for? Is that kinda what you’re looking for going forward? You know, because my answer to them was that, that it makes sense for them to do it that way. I think if a board member reaches out and ask like a specific question and, and answers quickly, like a yes or no, or do we have a bus route, you know, in the such and such neighborhood.
31:26 Yes, that’s fine. I mean, you know, I don’t think that requires a email blast back to all board members, but if someone’s reaching out and saying, how much money do we spend on this? Or how much money do we spend on that? Or, you know, do we have personnel that do this? Should we have personnel that do that?
31:39 You know, I think that kind of answer should go back to everybody. Since this is under the topic of board meetings agendas. I think that that probably clarifies that ‘cause Yeah, I mean, there’s certain times when staff get back, gets back with me with specific questions about specific school or specific need.
31:53 Right. But those, they’re really good at the general thing. One thing that we did during our interim, um, Dr. Schiller kind of tightened it up where it had to go, all had to be routed through him first. And there’s so many answers that we never got back. Mm-hmm. Because they got, they kind of got locked off there.
32:09 So the way it is, Back to where it used to be, where they just respond to all of us. Yep. And it’s, yeah, it’s very totally fine with that. Yep. Okay. So the reason for that was that Schiller was trying to control the narrative and we know that now. Right? Um, I made a public records request for all of Schiller’s emails, so I’m gonna provide those to you guys when I get ‘em.
32:28 Um, it’s everything that he had at time. Mm-hmm. So that everybody knows what was going on. ‘cause there seems to be a lot of things that were flying, you know, that means unanswered questions and stuff like that. I think the other thing in this regard is, is that we have board members that are, that are asking questions about what other board members are doing, and we need to make sure that that ceases to exist too, because that’s sunshine violations and stuff like that.
32:49 So if, um, if you can tell staff that if, if anybody requests says like, what is this board member doing? Or starts asking questions about it, it, it gets into that sunshine. So just need to make sure that’s taken care of. Yeah. I mean each of the, uh, cabinet members and other district personnel, they seem fairly confident in how to do this.
33:06 Mm-hmm. They just wanted to know if they wanted that. If I wanted that to continue Yep. Or go back to that practice, I’m like, absolutely. I think that’s a good and we’ll still utilize the Smartsheet that we’ve been using. Right. Or no? Are we gonna still continue that because, well, one of the things we wanted to get back to now is because, you know, we had a period where Schiller was putting so much stuff on the agenda and he was adding stuff to the last minute.
33:28 He was doing all those different pieces. So now that we have a strong agenda, we can go back to the original plan, which Tammy developed that process about us putting it into the system and then it coming up and everything else for the policies and direction to Yeah. Because what had happened. Yeah. So if we go through that process and I’ll have her send it back out that by Friday you have all of your questions.
33:48 Dr. Rendell has already said that he wants to make sure that we’re not adding anything. So you have everything. Mm-hmm. So if you have any questions by then, you can request it. Um, and it, it goes back to the specific topic and we can all see that. Well, and I shared with Dr. Rendell when I, when I met with you this week, um, one of the frustrations or difficult things that I’ve experienced as a board member is that this number three, so the supporting documentation.
34:09 So what I am noticing is there’s placeholders on an agenda for items, but things aren’t added until the very last minute. And when you’re talking about reading through 2000 comments or 150 page PowerPoint or, and it gets added 48 hours, that’s really not adequate time for us to go through that. So, um, if there’s any way to really concrete, I’m not even saying 14 days, but seven days, I feel like that’s a fair request to say, Hey, seven days every supporting attachment needs to be on there, with the exception of personnel changes.
34:36 I understand the reasoning behind that. Um, so that we can prepare. ‘cause otherwise things come up at the board meeting and I have to ask the question in front of everybody ‘cause I didn’t have time to, to email and get responses back. So, yeah. And actually our policy on, I can’t remember which number it is, but talks about those few exceptions.
34:53 Personnel being one. Um, there’s a couple of things that are allowable to make last minute changes, but the policy actually, yeah, personnel, uh, think emergency purchase orders for, you know, things that break and we gotta go. Right. You know, and I imagine safety security is also an exception, but that hasn’t been the standards thus far.
35:14 So I’m, if we can get to a place where we’re doing that, that would be helpful for me just so that I have a full week to go through. ‘cause our agendas are heavy. We have a lot of things that are on there. So to adequately research ‘em and ask the questions ahead of time instead about the board meeting, it would help me to have that week.
35:26 Yeah, I mean, I think the rule of thumb or, or the guidance is obviously anything you’re gonna vote on, you need time to, to digest and research and ask questions. So definitely business meeting agenda items, you need to get the backup. You know, at least a week out, uh, workshops, some of that. Sometimes we’re creating that information before the workshop and workshop’s, a discussion session anyway.
35:46 So you may not get back up for a workshop till the day before, or even that day. We may be presenting something, so, yeah. Um, but you’re not voting on that. So that’s more like, and we want Yeah. Yeah. Agree with that. Are you good with those? Yeah. You’re all good with that. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And then the last thing I’ll say is, or only I’ll say is that, is, um, talking to, um, staff is, and I I’m sure it was a Schiller issue because, I mean, it was at a board meeting on a break and I asked a cabinet member a question and they just looked at me and said, oh, I can’t talk to you.
36:19 You have to go through the superintendent. And, but I hope we don’t have that anymore. Yeah. It was never the practice. Like we, and actually, I think that’s in here. Yeah. Yeah. But just, just be clear, that was said, and I don’t know if that was the, the standard or, um, number five, that board members will treat each other and staff with respect.
36:38 Can we pause on this one for a minute? Uh, let’s pause. We’re gonna talk about it. ‘cause I mean that I, I would like to have this conversation, which I, as uncomfortable as this is gonna be. Mm-hmm. Um, it is okay that we all have different opinions on, on matters. And, and that’s actually welcome. That’s how we strengthen as a board.
36:53 But there has to be a mutual level of respect for every single one of us, because each one of us is elected to do a job by peop, you know, by our constituents. So when we come forward with an opinion or an idea, um, that could be a result of multiple people that have come to us in the community and said, this is something that I need you to advocate for or work on.
37:11 Um, and it can’t be shot down. And, and I, it has to be heard out in a respectful way. Um, So I would just like to say moving forward, I would love for us all, even if we disagree, give each other the time to speak it out and then respond back to it in a respectful way. Even if you disagree with it, with whatever’s being said.
37:29 And I just say, you know, one of the things we need to, we need to remember on a practical point. One, we just need to do it as people just respect the people. But on a practical point, I would remind everybody, sometimes don’t always realize that even when your microphone is not on, there are stage mics.
37:44 And I have had people reach out, like, I heard that sigh, or I heard that comment they made. People are hearing things that we’re saying under our breath, um, and our roles and, and things like that. So we just, we just always need to be aware that it’s, it’s really hard to be on camera for a really long time.
37:59 It is, but that’s part of the job. And, um, you know, I think I, I agree with Megan. We just need to be careful about how we’re responding to when we’re talking or, um, you know, sharing ideas even if they are not what we agree with. And I think, I think when you look at that, there’s the other, there’s the, the piece that when we’re in a heated argument not to cross, so like when one person’s talking and another person comes right across and starts cutting ‘em off, that’s what we’re talking about.
38:30 And if, if there’s a person in the middle of the heated argument, just say, Hey, I’d like to speak. I’ll get to everybody. But when we jump right outta respect for the whole board, I don’t want to cut ‘em off and say the other person is speaking, but I’m gonna start doing that just because I wanted it to flow a little bit.
38:45 But I need to start kind of cutting that behavior off. So just so you guys know, if you don’t ask me and you guys jump in, I’m gonna cut it off and say, Hey, um, wait until the person’s completed their speech. You know what I mean? And then we’re gonna go from there, right? I think that there’s gonna start to just be a lockdown on some of those procedures because I think we get passionate.
39:05 But the thing is, is that, um, you know what I mean? It causes anger and then it just escalates the whole thing. The other thing is, is that, um, I’m going to wait until you say I’m finished. Because, uh, there’s been a couple of times where Ms. Jenkins has a long pause and I think she’s done and outta respect for her.
39:22 I don’t want to, I just assume that she’s going. So I want to be able to complete that. So if you guys can, when you’re done, say, okay, I’m finished. That way we know to break to the next one, and that’s way the other people understand. Does that make sense? Mm-hmm. Right. The other thing is, is that, um, there’s been a couple of times, Katie, where you brought up like, um, the conference in front or the, uh, legislative conference when we were over there, you came out and said, what about these things?
39:46 Hi. Hi Matt. How you doing? Good. You remember me? I do. Holly. I’m 35 years retired from the school board. Oh. And this is what I’m doing now. Aw. Thank you so much, Holly. Yeah. Yeah. Good to see you. Good to see Olivia last couple weeks ago. Yeah. Yeah. She’s amazing. She’s 12 and she’s running soccer like you’ve never seen before.
40:05 Good for her know. Sorry to interrupt. Thank you. But like, now we know that those were, um, that the, the budget is transparent. They’re putting that online that they were working on the career and technical for the firehouses in the north end. So like when that stuff happens, please figure out a way to get through Paul so that we don’t have that.
40:25 Because there was a Florida today article that came out hit me, and I was trying to be respectful of the board and say, Hey, you know what I mean? Like these accusations. And I was trying to not come out and slam in the middle of that meeting and say, you are incorrect. And go in that, that conflict, I’m not gonna back down on my opinion on that because you were wrong.
40:40 You’re, you were wrong on both of your accusations. Um, I was not wrong in what I addressed with you, which is that was not initiative of the board. You were there at the legislative delegation meeting to present the legislative, uh, agenda of the board. Kate. We were working on transparent budget. We were working on all the things that I talked about.
40:58 That is us. No, the firefighter thing was not something that the board had talked about at all. There was several things. No staff was already working on it. Staff was already meeting with the HR director at Brevard County. I’m glad that they meeting with everybody else. I’m so glad. Hear that was not what you were there that night to do.
41:10 I’m, I’m sorry. I was there to speak to what Brevard Public Schools is doing for the community and so that the legislative delegation understands it and we were expanding in career and technical education and I said that, and then you hit me with it and I was like, calm down. And then I even asked you afterwards, I said, if you could talk through Paul, bring that up so that we could do it again.
41:28 Actually, what you did is you asked me to call you and I’m not going to do that. You can call me on those kind of things. I’m not going That’s not have a public reference. Then go through Paul between me, then go through Paul. Because when you brought it up against Schiller, that was another attack. And those were the things that when, when you were making an accusation that I hadn’t made this, that I had this outlandish plan that Andrew rant was gonna present and all that stuff.
41:47 That was through Schiller. Schiller had set that thing. He had asked me to set those things together and then at the last minute, played a game and you bid on it and then you came at me. So please go through Paul to try to set those things up ahead of time. Don’t just come because an hour before that meeting he told him you could present and he told me that too.
42:05 Then he called him in and attacked him and held him. I have my own reasons. That day. And it didn’t have to do with, I’m believing everything Dr. Scheller has to say on these things. We’re gonna have to disagree. I still think you have acted inappropriately as a chairman several times. Those two things that you mentioned are two of them.
42:19 Yes. They’re completely false accusations. I don’t believe that. So we can move, move on to the next thing. How do you believe that, that they’re not you? I, I just say that clearly your job and from the legislative delegation was to present the board’s legislative agenda, which we had discussed. No, no, no.
42:35 I’m, I’m, what is my letter? Finish. Finish. Don’t interrupt me. Don’t interrupt me. Don’t mansplain to me. I am a perfectly intelligent human being who’s served on this board and I’m going to do my job. And when we talk about on these things, that you are the spokesperson for the board. You are there to present at the legislative delegation meeting.
42:57 What the board’s agenda was. We all had a meeting where we sat and talked about those things. And when you got up on the microphone in front of the delegation and all the people, you added several things which were not the board’s delegation or not the board’s agenda. And you can say, oh yeah, they’re working on this and get, I’m finding that out from you.
43:14 I found that out from you afterwards. Well, that’s so nice. You got up in front of pub the public and said, we’re gonna do all these things. We had just had that meeting before that on Monday. Yes. And you had brought the zoo in to talk about their volunteer program and you then you stood in front of all those people and said, we’re gonna do, we’re gonna do like the zoo’s volunteer program.
43:31 We’re gonna do something with Health first. I’m like, I’ve never heard that before. At all. We shouldn’t be, we shouldn’t be finding out on broadcast that’s going all over Brevard and you know, on YouTube what the initiatives are. Of the district that are coming out of your mouth because you’re not speaking for the board at that point.
43:48 Your job at that point was to be a representative for the board. You were at the, as the board chair you were, you were a spokesperson for the board, but you still said all these other things that weren’t the board’s initiatives, the Brevard County Schools initiative. This superintendent is spokesperson.
44:02 No, as the board chair, I can speak and every single legislative delegation that we’ve ever had prior to that, we have sat around in round tables or in front and talked about other initiatives that we have. When we were with all of them through the years, the only things that came up inside those meetings were not things that were on the legislative delegation.
44:21 It’s what Brevard Public Schools is doing. We have an opportunity, and the reason that we couldn’t go in front of them, the reason we didn’t have a round table where we could all be a part of it, which I was trying to engage in, is because there was a lawsuit between Jennifer Jenkins and Randy. Fine. So the whole de delegation said that unless we couldn’t bring Jennifer Jenkins, which I refused to do, was carver out, we would have to go present in front of him just like that.
44:43 That isn’t, so just hang on a second. I’ll listen to you. So the issue is, is that as a board chair, you are allowed to brag on the initiatives of the district, whatever those are. And when you’re in front of the delegation, just because you didn’t know that we were moving to a transparent budget, which was already happening, which Sullivan had already talked about, just ‘cause you didn’t know that they were already having conversations with opening up fire schools and all those things, doesn’t mean that you have to attack me in a board meeting.
45:08 I’ve actually asked about the fire things. Yeah. They met with the HR directors all the way through the north. They met with, with the HR director from Brevard County. They met with all of those people to set those, those schools up eventually. So those were some of the initiatives that were going on. But instead of actually communicating it, you bring it up at a board, hit me.
45:26 Right. I didn’t even know there wasn’t a, Hey Matt, I’m gonna ask you questions about this. You hit me. Then there’s a Florida Today article, which furthered the falsehoods of what was, what the accusations that were being made. And then you did it again. With the whole Schiller thing. And so it’s, what we need to do is find a way to not make accusations that are false and go through, go through Paul.
45:47 That’s what we need to do. So if you have a question, ask Paul ahead of time. And then if you would’ve said, Hey Paul, I’m hearing this. I have a concern about it, then I would’ve been able to react and said, Hey Paul, here’s what happened. And he can find a way to communicate that back to you. But to just open grandstand against somebody and, and when it’s not true.
46:06 That’s hard. You know me. No. Well, you should known me long enough and well enough to know that I don’t do things for grandstanding. Well, you did. That is not my goal. I’m, I did call you out. I’m sorry that you didn’t like it. I’m not backing down off either one because the ramjet thing either was the same thing.
46:23 I had a problem. And it wasn’t directed specifically to you unless you were the one who allowed it. You were allowed it as, as a chairman. And you know what? I got overruled. We heard him, but there was a staff member, member, a subordinate, and I had talked to more than just scholer enough to know that. And I, ‘cause I talked to some of the people who’re gonna present that there was, there was not communication, there was not who was gonna be on there, what was being presented.
46:44 There was another method. And that was a whole mess. And I didn’t think that that particular staff member as a subordinate should have been allowed to do all that without, and I, okay, so Schiller let you know, why are we even going back into this? It was wrong. It shouldn’t have happened the way that it happened.
46:59 You don’t have to agree with me. But I still think that it was out of line for that presentation to happen and I’m not backing down off of that. So let me tell you exactly what happened on January 5th. No, no, no. You can make the accusations. I’m gonna finalize this. On January 5th, we all came together. We set up a bunch of initiatives.
47:16 One of those was the expansion of athletics since inside the notes, right after that, Schiller and I mapped out on, you said expansion, hang, athletic, on board. Hang on, hang on on, go on, hang on. We mapped out all the meetings on, on a whiteboard. I think Tammy saw it. I took a picture of it. All of ‘em. The date for the expansion of athletics was March 7th.
47:37 So he was asked at that time, just be prepared for a presentation. That’s what happened. It was all lined up. He actually asked him, can you hear Now Schiller, if Schiller wants to say that he didn’t, that’s one thing. But me as a board member, when I’m sitting there and I reach out and I say, Hey, just to make sure you got everything, are you ready for the presentation?
47:55 Is all I did that was preset by Schiller, which was an initiative that we talked about with, with us, and it came out. But instead of saying anything, literally as at the board meeting you come out and hit me. That’s exactly what happened. Why was that against you? Why was that against you? You tried to stop a meeting that the board chair and the superintendent had already preset and asked the staff member to come out and do.
48:20 I I It’s just, it was, it was inappropriate that if you had that bad of a situation, then go through Paul to, to ask. Because I would’ve said immediately, here’s the facts and I would’ve been able to help you. But instead you tried to cut it off and it made us look like we were, I don’t need your help to communicate with, with superintendent.
48:37 But, and at the time, Dr. Schiller was the superintendent, and I did go to him. I went to Afternoon, did go to Paul, to everybody that I could. Paul, you know what, I’ll use Paul when I need to use Paul and Paul, you know, but, and they, you know, I would be happy to sit down with you and Paul, let’s hammer out some things that are, you know, not breaking sunshine and let’s talk about leadership styles and things like that.
48:56 I’d be happy to do that. I’m telling you right now, I will, I will work as hard as I can. You and I have had, you know, come to Jesus meeting and talk about how we communicate and I’ll work as hard to work under the, this is balance. ‘cause we’re all equal to work with you. I have, I have deliberately, respectfully tried to do my job as carefully as I could.
49:20 And I don’t say things that I don’t mean. I mean, I’m very careful with my words, but I had a problem with those two in particular, and I’m not backing down off of this, so we can move forward. I’m, I’m, I’m trying to explain to you that it was a agenda item that was set by the superintendent and the board chair and the athletics knew about it, and you came, I asked him that day, Matt, I said, Dr.
49:43 Schula, did you know about I in the public meeting that you’re talking about? I said, were you aware? And he gave the honest answer. He, he did say, yes. Okay. Just go allow. And the rest of the board said, fine, let’s get leave. They’re here. Let’s go ahead and speak ‘em. But he was, he is a subordinate. Dr.
49:56 Schiller had his own group that he’d been meeting with, that they were developing stuff. Now, it may not have been as complete as what he played it out to be, but they were having meetings and RAM was at, listen, here’s the deal. If we have a situation where you have subordinates underneath us, and the superintendent is a subordinate, the way to communicate, I didn’t bring this up because I’m trying to say it’s wrong, that what you did.
50:19 I’m not trying to prove the point. I know that I was right in what I did. But what we have to do is communicate that to Paul so that we can avoid these things in the future. If you’re feeling uncomfortable about something, there has to be an avenue that you can go to. So like when you’re having a situation and you’re like, this is wrong, this is wrong.
50:37 It’s literally the day before that meeting, when I’m finding out who knew and who didn’t know what was supposed to be, it’s on the agenda for seven days. It was on the agenda for seven days. What was happening on, it was not on the agenda for seven days. He was giving a presentation, it was on the agenda, and it was sitting there for seven days, and it didn’t become an issue until it started getting wonky there at the end.
50:57 Just ask Paul, I can answer. It avoids the public thinking that there’s something wrong. When you did it both times, it made it look like we were dysfunctional and it wasn’t. We were talking about the expansion of athletics and what he’s been doing and how we can promote it. That’s exactly what we were doing well for anything that I have done over the last four and a half years to make this board look, look dysfunctional.
51:16 I am truly sorry and I’ll stop there. But, but, but this is not the issue. The issue is, is that we just need to find a process. That’s what this is. Well, so I’m not saying I’m not, can I jump in here just for a real quick, just for like a kumbaya moment? All right, thank you. So obviously there’s animosity and tension between the board and, and really what, what this board needs to do is we need to work towards something and set up against each other.
51:39 And so if we were fighting as hard as we’re fighting with each other towards our schools and our pub and our kids, this would be moving a hundred percent in the right direction. And so I think going back to these working guidelines, what we need to do is we, if there’s an issue, I’m one that will take it with to you directly and I will do it in a private manner and say, I have a problem with how this was handled.
51:59 I need you to hear me and I need you to respond differently the next time that something’s going on. I will never, ever blast any of you publicly, even if I’m frustrated with you guys. And so I think as a working guideline, can we make that the precedence that we set, that we’re going to fight for our kids and we’re gonna fight for our schools and our teachers, but we’re not gonna fight each other.
52:18 ‘cause our battle isn’t against each other guys. Uh, I hate to say it, but we’re one board that’s supposed to be moving Brevard County public schools in the right direction. And if we’re fighting amongst each other, we are never ever gonna see the amazing things that we could do if we were fighting alongside each other towards a common cause.
52:33 Okay. Alright. Well, we’ll help that have to happen is number nine, suppression. I, I, I’m gonna stand in number five for a second and I have haven’t to speak on that. We just need, the problem is, is that, lemme just say this, the problem is you said that you would call them, I tried to set that up with Katie and she said she was afraid of sunshine, which there is.
52:49 I mean, if you talk to Paul. There is a, a concern sometimes about sunshine. She does have a valid point there. We need an avenue to avoid the, the, the, the headaches. That’s all. All right. So if we all discuss, Mr, can I just ask for clarification on this? So if we are having a disagreement or we’re not happy with something that the any one of us has spoke about, are we, there’s no sunshine violation to call and say, Hey, Katie.
53:12 Hey Jean. Hey Matt. Hey Jennifer. The way that you handled that could have been done a lot differently. Is that, I mean, that’s not, that’s not a voting matter. Yeah, it’s not a voting matter. Um, it’s probably not a sunshine violation depending on what you’re discussing and what the issue was. But, uh, if somebody does a public records request and sees that you call Matt on so and so day, they’re gonna say, what were you talking about?
53:34 And all that. And it is just gonna raise questions. Right. And I understand that. But I mean, I think it’s, I think that’s where Matt’s going and he’s like, if there’s another avenue for doing that, like you guys can meet, like before a meeting, after a meeting, you say, Hey, can I have five minutes? You just comes up so quickly and then you just like, after meeting say, can we talk for a second and step aside and say, Hey, I don’t like how you did this or that.
53:57 Then there’s nothing there. It’s just a question of if somebody got the phone records, they send it to the state attorney. He’s gotta open an investigation. Yeah. And we’re going across the street. Well, yeah. And you can interview everybody. Okay. You can investig. So Paul, what would be the best play for situation where one of us is like, there’s an issue coming and all that stuff.
54:13 What’s the best plan for that? Since you’re the what an issue? What do you mean? If I, so Ms. Campbell doesn’t, if she’s, if she’s upset about the fact that we went, she feels like there’s some things that were said that weren’t, or whatever that is, what is the best plan for her to understand that it’s gonna be topics specific.
54:31 So the facts are gonna be really specific. The board approves what goes to the, uh, At that. Uh, no. Forget that. What I’m saying is if she has an issue about anything, what’s the plan for her to get the answers to those prior to a board meeting? So that, like, that like the ideal plan would be go through Dr.
54:48 Ell. Okay. Is setting up those agendas usually. So he’s in charge of the agendas up until up until they’re released to the public. Once they’re released to the public, you have to bear, you have to approve all changes to mm-hmm. So the ideal situation would be call Dr. Ell, say, why is this on the agenda?
55:05 What’s going to be presented? Or whatever. And he can explain it to her. Okay. That’s the ideal avenue. So the best way Katie would be to go through ell the problem we had was, is that Schiller was manipulating all of us. Yeah. To bru, to fight each other is what was happening. Right. But that is who we had and that is what I did.
55:21 Right. And again, number nine, no surprises would help a lot. Alright. Can I talk to number five real quick? Mm-hmm. You guys good? Yeah. For now. Yeah. Uh, the whole respect with, um, with each other. We do have to respect our styles. They may be different. Um, that’s not even what I wanted to touch on, but there’s lots of things that, that I could say is, don’t like how you said something or I came out wrong, but it is just your style or it’s just your style.
55:49 It’s just style and so be it. Um, I don’t think board meetings are the, the place to, to say I, I disagree. Just to disagree. However, it’s not even what I wanted to talk about. The, the respect thing. And I, I think that goes towards how we talk to each other on the board, but also after the board, when we go to the social media, is there, I I have to talk about it now is for example, the redistricting.
56:16 You know, when, and, and she’s not here, but I have to say it ‘cause I mean she had an opportunity to be here, but to, to go back to your school board member. Page and start cutting our legs up from underneath us as a board. That’s disrespectful. And this is where it’s up, and I’m gonna have to say it because it incites, I don’t wanna say violence, but it incites the, the stuff that you see at our board meetings when we have people come up to just say, you’re ugly and I don’t like you.
56:44 And it’s because of things like, when, when, when, when a board member says the redistricting decision was politically motivated and done so with zero thought, uh, for best serving students and staff, that’s a, people take what we say online as we know what we’re talking about. She had no crap about my decision, my voting, and it’s out there and talk about inciting.
57:06 The first response was, I can’t stand that. They’re talking about us. And that was a board member that put that out there. Not a phone call, not a, Hey, I disagreed with the decision, here it comes. Let’s meet with Paul. And that is not, if, if that doesn’t stop, I mean, things could turn to violence. If every decision we make is gonna be put out there that we have a, we have a, uh, a pact with Randy fine or another politician, which none of our decisions have been because of, you know, I took, I took this one really to heart because first off, you’re, you’re telling me you know why I’ve done something.
57:46 Like I’ve explained it in that process, for example, and I’m just using the redistricting this ‘cause that was our last decision and it was probably both of you guys, you know, that, uh, uh, that really said we did it politically motivated. I don’t give a who, where we live in the districts, it had nothing to do with that.
58:05 And even if it did, it’s still not, it’s not right for us to go out and attack the board members. If, if anyone I know, you know, well this is on our personal website, I mean personal Facebook page, I would assume if I did that, I would be getting a call from somebody here saying, Hey, what are you doing? I one should not have, shouldn’t be on an island and have the right to just go off and be an activist.
58:29 That’s an activist, uh, um, language. You know, I would be just as upset if you put, you didn’t like the redistricting decision, but you didn’t go on there and say, let’s rally behind these, but these people did it the wrong way. And the next board meeting, you should be there spewing bad things, looking at your facial expressions, which those things are not gonna change.
58:49 People need to grow up and, and not videotape and say, he raised an eyebrow, but our own board members doing that. Is there any recourse? So that’s not right. I think what you’re talking about is, is, um, making fact-based arguments, because we have it inside of here that after a vote is done, we’re allowed to go on social media.
59:10 We’re allowed to talk to the press about fact-based stuff. The issue is, is that, and this is, this dives into another area, but um, spreading false accusations with no proof as a board member, I think is detrimental. Not to the board, but the district. I mean, the motivation behind it. You can not like a vote, but the, to then say concrete, this is the reason why that’s wrong.
59:36 I mean, you might as well say, you know, someone is a, uh, they, they made this decision because they’re a bigot. They made this decision because they’re a racist. They made this decision. Where would you stop if that’s a lot, if that stuff is accepted, where do we go from here? Well, part of it is being a grownup and not running to the internet.
59:54 Yeah. To voice your, you know, discord with the board. So again, the board has to figure out, are we going to move in the right direction? That’s for our kids and our teachers and our students. Are we, are we going to fight with each other? Because this board will only be as strong as, as our weakest link. And that’s the reality of it.
1:00:09 So, um, wherever that’s at, um, I see somebody laying the ground for political gain later on, and that’s wrong. I think, I think it’s wrong in general. To post false things on the internet. Absolutely. I’ve been, I’ve been, and, and it’s in a time when we’re, it’s creating a narrative with other news organizations that would rather post the false narrative and it is creating another component.
1:00:35 So I think if we focused on our fact based arguments, if we focused on what’s the better Good. I was trying to, I read a book that just came out and I was trying to get the name of it, the Wisdom of the Bullfrog. And it talks in there about how we lose overall with when we come out and try to make a point to win.
1:00:53 Mm-hmm. We lose as a district. And the goal should be that we as a group when not we as an individual there. Yeah. And that’s what I was, yeah. So we showed up and dribble, whatever that book was. I mean, we’re not there to do anything other than the business and govern the, the school board, but when we go and attack personal, the, the decisions on, on, on, on our personal motivation that they know nothing about, I would never do that to you.
1:01:17 I don’t know what you guys are thinking unless you publicly stated it. Well, we need to be careful on I I I hear you and I don’t disagree, but we need to be careful with swaying back to it in the boardroom. And I understand, Matt, you think that I violated this in what I did and I we’re just, you know, I apologize to you for any disrespect that was sent your way.
1:01:40 I wanna go back to something ‘cause we do the, the little comments also. I’m just gonna, we need to be careful about the little comments. I honestly, I think we need, if we could be more mindful that of the constantly on tv, constantly and, and it is hard, but every little com there, there is no place on the dice for you can be as sarcastic as you want to in your personal life, but there’s no place on the dice for car sarcasm.
1:02:07 There’s no pa place on the dice for, um, snide remarks or, you know, because even if we almost like, there’s hardly a place for joking. Because it can get taken the wrong way. And it, and it has been. Mm-hmm. I know you’ve been a victim of that, but don’t give everybody the invitation to do it. You know, so all those, like, there’s just, there’s just, it’s, it’s really, sarcasm doesn’t play well up from the diocese.
1:02:35 And so I think we need to be careful of that too, because if we’re just inviting people to add to now the whole microphone and the eye thing, I’m like, that was, mm-hmm. That was really dumb. Um, but ‘cause I look at the picture, I’m like, what? So, but, but there’s sometimes, and we’ll call it rookie mistake or people said things that like, they probably never really intended would, it would’ve would’ve said, you know, like in a private conversation.
1:03:00 But now we’re up on the, on microphones on live tv, so we just need to be careful of those things too. Mm-hmm. So I think we all agree that snide remarks, comments, all of those things, falsehoods don’t make it better. Right. But there’s no nothing we can do as a board to stop somebody besides tell ‘em that they’re wrong.
1:03:22 And unfortunately, right. Am I right Paul? Yeah. I mean, we can’t censor somebody. We could if we got outta control, there is a way to censor board members. But the thing is, is that for the most part, the problem that we’re also having is that our news organizations are running with that. And that’s the political cocktail that we’re dealing with is that when the falsehoods are said, it creates an article that is run and then people are like, oh, this is true and it’s not.
1:03:46 Right. So what do you guys want to do in relation to that? Do you want to give me the authority to call the person through call and say, Hey, this is the things that we saw. Do a post meeting. These are the things we need to change. Email Paul some of the concerns that we had from the previous meeting until we get it straight.
1:04:03 Identify ‘em. I understand we say this, but then what is the outcome? Because there’s another tale to this that I’m gonna talk about. Paul, what do you suggest through the PA parliamentarian. He’s Paul humanitarian. Paul. He is, he is Harlin Paul. It’s just a moving target. Uh, it’s gonna depend on what the issue is and if it’s something likely to come to the board or back to the board mm-hmm.
1:04:25 That’s the case. You guys can’t talk to each other outside of the meeting. So, but we can say that was a personal attack that was wrong. It needs to stop. Don’t even need to talk about the topic. If somebody’s posting and then it’s like they’re advocating against you. I just bring it back to the, Hey, you know, our guidelines, we’ve all agreed not to attack the overall decisions of the board.
1:04:45 Do you want me to bring that up in the board meeting? You just said he didn’t think that would be good because I, I’m asking, he’s telling you that that’s what I need to do. Well, that’s the rules. That’s what you can do. I don’t know that, that’s not likely to come back to the board at all. So you have that off to the side and say, Hey, I was told I saw your post or whatever.
1:05:04 Yeah. And that’s, you know, we’ve agreed to act in a certain way and you’re attacking the decision of the majority of the board that isn’t gonna be issue moving forward. What if we, what if we identified it as a situation and then you came to the person and said, ‘cause you’re the parliamentarian. And just said, Hey, if you remember the, the guidelines were there and make the recommendation to the person that, because that’s not a violation of sunshine, right?
1:05:28 No. That, that just saying, Hey, you violated the guidelines, isn’t gonna be an issue for the board to ever discuss other than to say, Hey, I think we’ve been having problems and we need to have this type of discussion again. Okay. Where are you guys come together? I mean, that’s fine if that’s how you guys want to handle this.
1:05:43 I just keep going back to that. I’m gonna jump in here right now because the second that I have to take my grievance with another individual, to another individual, that now makes the problem bigger. Mm-hmm. But it’s us though. And I know, but I’m just saying, like, to me, I, I don’t want you to take your grievance with me to somebody else to bring it to me.
1:06:00 ‘cause I’m gonna be a little more frustrated that you did that versus just coming to me and saying, Hey Megan, can you do me a favor? You’re jumping in there and you’re, you’re stopping someone from talking and you shouldn’t do that. Like, we need to respect each other. I would appreciate that. And I, there’s no violation of sunshine to do that.
1:06:13 So I think the proper manner, the biblical manner is to take your grievance directly to that person. So yeah, that’s really why as Katie’s okay with that. Yeah, we’ve, we established that and we that and I have said, I have talked, but then you wouldn’t call me. I’m not gonna call you. I’m not, however, have a weekly call with you.
1:06:27 This is further on. So this is, and this has nothing to do with Katie, but if you, however, down the, I think it’s better how far the one-on-one is wonderful, unless the end result could be something bigger. And we don’t, if we don’t have a track record proven or on, on, on record, let’s just say I don’t like our decisions on whatever next Tuesday.
1:06:50 And I say you do it for this reason and you don’t like it, you come to me and say, that’s fine, but I keep doing it. And then you come to me and say, you didn’t like it, but I keep doing it. But eventually is there a censoring thing? So if there sensor, sensor sensor. So if there is, we need to have probably something documented that you, here’s the, here’s your behavior.
1:07:11 But if we keep going individually, nothing’s documented. Nobody, there’s not a third party there. We may have to, that’s not gonna stop. Um, so if there’s, if there is a, well, what’s the regulation on censoring? There is a, a piece of the Robert’s rules, I’m not a fan of it, but if he wants to ask is greater in scope Yeah.
1:07:32 Than, and it’s not really designed very well for public elected official bodies. Yeah. So you guys can’t, like in under northern normal circumstances, you can kick somebody out of the room for the day and go, you’re, you’re out. Go, we’re, we’re removing you. You can’t do that. Put the school board together so that it’s limited.
1:07:51 You can certainly say, Hey, the board finds that you violated our rules and working policies and we’re basically admonishing you to follow the rules. That’s not all you can do, but so be it First amendment, it’s a gentleman’s agreement, right? It is. But I, I’m just hoping if I say something ignorant, I’m getting a call to someone’s office.
1:08:12 I mean, maybe I’m just used to being a, I’ll do it a subordinate. Right? That would never happen. However, um, you know, I, I’m getting a call, even if it’s the superintendent to say, I, it just doesn’t make, it makes my job harder. When you’re doing this, what are you doing? Um, I would assume I would call them by, but if, if it’s the chair, my common sense says I’m getting a call from the chair and say, Hey, what are you doing that’s making us look bad as a whole?
1:08:40 Is that proven fact? Are you sure we should be talking in, in fact, I mean, is there any process or is there anything, or is it just free rere? I can just go out there and post, you know, it’s a woman’s vote, man, that, there you go. How about that? I just, the, the three women voted on something and they did it because they were women and the guys wouldn’t have done that.
1:08:57 So we, that’s, that’s not something I would say, but it just makes us all look bad. And if there’s no repercussion of that, or even a, a discussion or a talk, and I’m just saying it’s not gonna get any better guys. We all, I think it’s only gonna get worse if we don’t at least address it. We all came together in January.
1:09:16 We all signed, I thought we did this document. We all came together and said, these are the rules that we want to come by. I think that we all, I, I do not disagree that every single person caress about the kids tremendously and wants to make this thing work. It’s just how we do it. So I think that we should be able to reach out to each other and say, Hey, that was BSS, and stuff like that.
1:09:36 And if it continues, then we’ll bring it up to the board as a discussion and just say, Hey, this is, we want to, as a board, do this, and Dr. Rendell, if you wanna meet with us and tell us if you have any ideas, you know what I mean? That’s good too. But I think having to be honest with you, having Dr. Rendell as far as stabilization Yeah.
1:09:51 And everything else is gonna go a lot better. Absolutely. Because we were getting, we were getting a lot of communication back and forth. Through Dr. Siller. That was a manipulative situation. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And I think we felt that, and we’re still feeling the tail end of it. So I, I think that I’m, I’m okay with if I screw up, call me.
1:10:07 Um, and I like that a lot better. I just was, I tried to do that with Katie and, and she was concerned. And that’s a weekly call with you? What was concerned on I tried to get aggravated. We do every week. I said, I said, look, if we have to get to a weekly call to get on the same page, I offered it to her and she, um, she was worried about sunshine.
1:10:26 So That’s understandable. So how about this as like a A C Y A, because I understand, I understand what you’re saying as far as it’s potentially creating a public record that now is gonna be brought into question. Um, my promise to you board members is if I have a grievance with you, I will take it directly to you.
1:10:41 Mm-hmm. And I will follow up with an email to Paul to say, Paul, just f y i I called so-and-so to discuss the grievance I had over their behavior at the board meeting. And then it just covers it so that if it gets brought back up, we now have an email that says what the phone call conversation was about.
1:10:56 Because I don’t, you talk to a lot of people, I’ve talked to a lot of people, I don’t remember whatever phone call is, but that just covers the basis. That’s a good idea to write down what you were Yeah. Just to send an email and then that allows us, we shouldn’t be fighting publicly. What We have so many fights.
1:11:10 Our fights aren’t against each other. Guys, we have a lot of fights right now from every different angle, but it’s not with each other. It really isn’t. So if we can get on the same track moving forward, be passionate about what you wanna see change and what you want to see implemented in our schools, let’s fight for those things.
1:11:24 Let’s not fight with each other. So we contact the person directly, then shoot Paul an email saying, Hey, this is what we talked about. That covers it. Call Paul ahead of time and make sure that the way you craft that email might, might need to be done the correct way. ‘cause sometimes we put stuff in there that we, all you’re doing is saying, Hey, Yeah, I brought up, you know, a comment you made that I didn’t like during the meeting or I didn’t like being surprised or whatever.
1:11:46 And it was a violation of our guidelines to surprise us. And if there’s something coming up that’s an issue that we’re trying to head pass, you know, pass off, we just daily document in some way. ‘cause we also are creating a public record every time we do that. Yeah, no, that’s head off. Head off at the pass if we’re trying to head something off at the pass.
1:12:03 I think we have a stable superintendent now that’ll kind of explain through the process. I don’t think that’s an issue. We good there? Yeah. Agenda related items are easy Dr. It’s like, hey, this got added last, what was the basis? And you should be able to explain like, hey, we really need this to be right.
1:12:20 Approved at the next meeting. So we put it on the workshop last minute. We know it was a little late, but, okay. Just one other thing I wanna bring up real quick. Um, in the event there’s tailing onto the back end of this, I’ve gotten a lot of emails from, um, an individual that’s on the board that sends emails out, attacking legislators, attacking other individuals, right?
1:12:42 It’s creating a situation of like, one was an email to the mayor of Paul, uh, Paul, RIA of Melbourne making fun of his lisp, right? And those are gonna bring us into some sort of communication issue where that’s gonna bring us into defamation lawsuits. That’s gonna bring us into all of these other things and it’s in line with some of the stuff that’s going on online.
1:13:04 So Paul, do you have any, like, is there any, anything that we can do as a board to inoculate ourselves from a board member that continues to do improper behaviors? Does that make sense to you? So like, if somebody’s out there doing things that are gonna hurt the board, can we give direction as a board to say, Hey, please stop and if you don’t, then did you see what I mean?
1:13:29 Right. Because I got issue with it. Right. Uh, I mean, other than if it’s not board business, Well, they’re using the school board email to attack constituents, attack legislators, attack community. And it’s not, and, and sometimes those people are, they’re in a locked up. Like I get attacked all the time. I get an email at least every day or two.
1:13:51 Yeah. Right. And I, and I just say, this is why I feel that you’re wrong and everything else. I’ve never gone after ‘em. Because what happens is we lose, and I think this board with this document is saying, we don’t apply for that. Right. What’s your thought? I mean, you can circle back to the working guidelines.
1:14:06 Um, I, that’s not board business. So I would say one, it shouldn’t be on district communications. If you’re attacking other politicians from the political side, and in the event that there’s somebody comes and files a defamation lawsuit against the board based upon actions that are outside the purview of the school district’s, it is business.
1:14:29 That’s not the scope of the work, then, then we as a board will not, we will not protect them. Right. Right. And that’s, that’s a, we can say that together. Right? Right. Yeah. Okay. If they’re found to be outside the scope of their work, then mm-hmm. They wouldn’t be indemnified by the board before gonna take its own defense.
1:14:48 It was just a concern that I had. So I want make sure that we as a board understand it and then it, if it comes up and we’re okay, that’s all. Is everybody okay on that? Yeah. All right. One other thing that I had to do is, is that there was one instance where, and this is in this area, um, we had a board, uh, agenda item that I put on, and then a member came up and removed it.
1:15:09 Just so you know, I understand some of the concerns behind it. There’s no reason why any board member can remove an item off the board, right off the agenda. Agenda off the agenda, okay. Board member and superintendent. That’s it. And normally that you should just go through the superintendent for the board chair and just say, Hey, this is red hot.
1:15:27 I need it off, right? Mm-hmm. Because the concern was valid, but we just need to go that route. And, um, even if it’s. Can’t get ahold of somebody or somebody who has to sit there because it’s huge violations with ethics and everything else. So we all good? Okay. All good with that? Absolutely. Alright. I think I’m good then.
1:15:45 All right. Well we made it to number five. Let know, I’m like, I collect, we got through all these, some of them, so we can just skip through. Oh, sorry. Dr. Ell, you got something? Well, I mean, number six, I’m, I’m gonna treat everybody with respect or do my best. Yeah. Alright, we got one thing. Do best on number six.
1:16:01 Sit there and listen to us for the last half hours. So yeah, that’s, that’s good. Respect. Time, time. Appreciate we, let’s see what we want to get the next seven minutes. Uh, seven. The reasonable request for additional information will be satisfied in a timely manner and in the past if it’s required a lot of work on behalf of staff, you can advocate for that with whichever board member, you know, to try to reduce it down as possible.
1:16:24 Yep. And we address board member concerns or discussion topics at a work session when feasible instead of during a board meeting, provide the information to the board, uh, seven days in advance for preparation. I think we added that in January. Number nine, no surprises. The superintendent expects number one, that request for additions to the agenda will be received as early as possible before the meeting.
1:16:46 And that would be from us, right? That during board meetings direction is given, is only given when a majority of the board votes to give direction only to the superintendent. That board members will be respectful to each other, to staff and be respectful of staff’s time. That board members will read all supporting documentation before the board meeting.
1:17:03 Sensitive situations may arise to the board chair, may receive information that the entire board does not immediately receive to resolve the situation or receive guidance on handling the situation. The whole board will immediately receive the information upon the situation’s resolution or before the district releases any information to the public.
1:17:20 Um, number five. That board members will notify staff members with questions about agenda items or supporting materials with as much notification as possible before the scheduled board meetings. So hopefully we don’t get, we’re asking questions. I understand it’ll help. I’m like, if we have it seven days in advance, then that will help.
1:17:36 That not happens. So if it happens to be, we don’t, and, and usually that has gone through through the superintendent, so we don’t, we can’t ask for staff to come up and answer questions, but that’ll field through you so you can protect your people against, you know, last minute staff. Number six, that the board will put vote to put an item on a future agenda, giving consideration board policy before significant staff time is expended and or when preparing the agenda item would’ve impact meeting previously approved goals.
1:18:05 The superintendent will determine a reasonable timeline for response. Discussion items will not be considered a formal agenda item requiring approval. Is there anything that you wanna add there or change? No, I think we, we as a district staff need to make sure we’re providing you the information and time for you to digest it and have questions answered.
1:18:24 And if we’re not, then we’ll get better at that. But no, that’s normal stuff. Nothing. Alright. Nothing scary there. Okay. Good. Agenda? Agree. Ms. Board members may request the items be placed on the agenda too. The board chair will meet with superintendent or deputy superintendent when necessary to review or to approve the agenda.
1:18:42 Um, three, A consent agenda will be used for items not requiring discussion. Um, I, I’m gonna go back to two really quickly because I think there’s been times when, and we will. You, we have, it’s a new day, right? Right. When the order of the workshop things have been moved around and like last week, I don’t know that we were at the most efficient because it was really long.
1:19:01 So I, um, you know, hope, you know, we, Paul mentioned it, that the agenda belongs to superintendent until we vote on it. We don’t vote on work session items. But I think moving forward I would request that we be a little more judicious with how we load. Yep. A work session. Um, yeah, I agree. The, the, I don’t feel like we gave adequate time to, to gardendale and, and the presentations were rushed.
1:19:25 Sue was kind of up against the wall with hers. Right. And so I’m like this, we need to give them enough time. And I know we bring in guests, we wanna make sure they have their time, but sometimes things take longer than we anticipate. The, um, the issue that we also have is, is that we have so much to do.
1:19:38 Yeah. That we, I think it behooves us to really start talking about starting either earlier or locking in a couple of extra days. I thought that’s why we held these Tuesdays. Mm-hmm. Um, but, but the thing is, is that like we should be okay. But the issue is, is that as long as we can get through ‘em, um, we are okay.
1:19:57 But like the Tuesdays, if we’re okay with that, then we just push it. But like Yeah. I just think we, we, we were a little too aggressive last Tuesday. We had too much stuff on there. Yeah. We really were, we, we do have to sometimes go with the urgent first and important second. Um, yep. You know, budget right now is urgent.
1:20:14 Yep. ‘cause we’re getting those deadlines coming in. Do you think we need to move our meeting times on Tuesday earlier? Is that what you’re thinking? In order to get through all the budget presentations and adequate time for them to form their budget to give to us? Here’s, here’s what always happens. Okay.
1:20:27 If we have it start at one, we just go later in the day. So like, like we have x amount of things to do. So if it takes longer, we just put it at the end of the board meeting. So either we stay until 10 o’clock on the long days, or we start earlier, but it’s gonna be the same amount of time. I truly believe that.
1:20:46 So if it it, to me, it’s okay either way. Like, I would like to start earlier because I really, you know, I mean the nine o’clock, there’s been some concern by mistake. I don’t wanna do a nine to nine work day. It’s just not, it’s not fair for us. It’s not fair to staff to be, because remember we’re on the whole time.
1:21:02 Yeah. The toll that it takes, I mean, a lot of times on Wednesday I’m trash. I know. I felt the same way’s. So, and, and we’re, and everybody else has to get up and go to work. So just know that, um, That we, whatever we have, we just roll to. Yeah. I mean, let’s see how the next few workshops go. Yeah. I’m gonna try to, you know, make sure we’re, we’re more efficient.
1:21:20 Mm-hmm. You know, on our, on our side. And I really do think some of that was because of where we were, where we were at as a board and, and the superintendent and the situation. But I think we’re starting to normalize a little bit. Well, you guys are reviewing all the policies. We won’t be doing that again.
1:21:37 We’ll be reviewing policies as needed. Mm-hmm. We’re, we’re doing some budget presentations. We’ll start earlier in the year, next year. Like we’ll start budget workshops in January next year. Yeah. So, you know, we’ll, we’re just cramming right now. It’s gonna be rushed this summer, but I don’t think it’ll be like that again.
1:21:52 No, I don’t, I don’t think we will ever go through that many again. So that’s Paul ready, not for another five years. Not, nor do we ever Yeah. Y’all need a jump? Yeah, we’re gonna jump. Okay. You got, it’ll just gone this Wright. All right. Where, where were we? Number three. Consent agenda will be used for items not requiring discussion.
1:22:13 Uh, before any board member may ask to have an item pulled from the consent agenda to allow for discussion or individual consideration, the board member will notify the superintendent prior to the meeting of intent to pull an item, unless sometimes things come up in public comment. Right? Yep. Um, and what additional information may be required?
1:22:29 No surprises pulled. Consent items will be discussed after the consent agenda vote. And I’m guilty of this one, so I’m gonna jump in here and apologize because I have pulled consent agenda items at the meeting. I did not follow this policy, so I will do better with that. Make sure if you knew you were gonna pull it ahead of time, then Yeah, I occasionally all, sometimes you’d learn something that hour.
1:22:48 Yeah, right. We’ll blame that on rookie mistake, but I will do better with that. Number five, addition to the agenda after lease of the public should be approved by the board chair. Yep. All right. The meeting preparation agreements, board members will come to the meeting prepared to discuss items on the agenda.
1:23:03 Board members will notify the superintendent about positive, negative comments received from the community about the district or specific agenda items. Board members will give the superintendent time to research clarifying questions about agenda items and not spring surprise at the board meeting. Can one of these, like, I mean, do you want us to notify you?
1:23:20 ‘cause one of my email, I have an influx of emails over a certain specific agenda item. Do you want me to say, Hey, I’ve gotten a ton of emails over these things. F y I Or do you? Well, I mean, I think, uh, a summary comment like that is fine. Okay. Yeah. I don’t think you guys need to send me every email you get in or No.
1:23:36 So every time you get one, so I got another one. I got another one I got, yeah. No. Okay. And do you want those like maybe the day before the meeting? Just so I know, like time-wise that’s, well, I mean, the good thing is if we’re meeting on a regular basis Yeah. You can inform me on what you’re hearing, you know, what’s concerns are being brought to you and Okay.
1:23:51 You know, so weekly or biweekly meetings, we should be able to stay on top of that stuff. Okay. All right. During any meeting agreements, um, meeting agendas are available to the public and somebody has come straight out our policy. Mm-hmm. Um, uh, at the meeting site and online, two procedures for public comment are clear and available at the meeting.
1:24:10 Site. Three, the board chair will facilitate responses to public comment during the meeting. Four. The board chair will ensure that only one person speaks at a time that each member has an equal opportunity to participate. Think we were just talking about that. Mm-hmm. Uh, the public is welcome to participate in the meeting during the designated public comment time board members will model the behaviors expected of students, staff, and community members.
1:24:31 Um, except for we shouldn’t roll our eyes, even though they can’t all, they’re one, they’re on camera. Um, got one. I got one. Um, issues not people, staff helping each other will be attacked during meetings. We have that conversation. Mm-hmm. Members will listen respectfully to each other and staff. Um, the superintendent, legal counsel and all board members will monitor for compliance with law and policy.
1:24:54 Um, and I think that’s, you know, There’s been a couple of times in public comment. Sometimes, you know, every now it’s easy to zone out. Sometimes especi when it’s long, if we see things like the clock, or there’s been a couple times lately, and Paul’s outta here to ask that. Mary Jo, you can step in where we had some of our public, we, we’ve opened it up for people to talk to us, just mention this by name, but they’re still not supposed to be mentioning other staff names.
1:25:19 Right. Or student names. And sometimes Matt hasn’t caught it just because, you know, we’re in the moment and whatever. Mm-hmm. So to me, this is where we sometimes we’ll need to say, hey, and I will, I will say something, or I’ll say the clock. I’ll like, I’ll kind of lean over and, you know, like, we need to be careful because the lawsuit that we’re, that they’re having the mediation about next door.
1:25:37 Mm-hmm. Part of that was, um, not just the policy, but how it was practiced. Right. And then we can get in trouble if we’re not applying evenly. We’re not consistent. Yeah. Right. So we, it’s all of our jobs to, to keep us straight on that. Um, what number was it on? 10. The focus of board meetings will be work of the board and not administrative staff work.
1:25:59 Um, is the item to celebrate success? Uh, a policy decision, something that requires board action? Is it needed to ensure accountability? Does the item align with strategic plan? And I think that’s part of, I think we’ve kind of gotten off a little bit. Try to be our own. C e o. Glad to have you here. Mm-hmm.
1:26:16 Well, we see. Yeah. Yeah. Um, number 11. Can we talk about this one for a minute? Yeah. Uh, members will make efficient use of speaking time and, and this is, if you go back and watch our board meetings, there are certain individuals that can consume majority of the time of speaking. And so, I don’t know. Well, sometimes it’s, it could, I guess depending on the night, but there are, there are some that definitely do it more so than others.
1:26:38 And I don’t know, to keep this evenly across the board. Is this a fair request to say, Hey guys, can you make your presentation in five minutes or less? Can you tell me what you wanna say? That way we can move this thing along. Because if somebody ends up speaking for an exorbitant amount of time, You know what I’m saying?
1:26:56 So I, I don’t know if we can do that. I don’t know if the board can limit their amount of time. Some, some topics might warrant saying, I need additional time to, to get all this out. But I think if we could maybe even look at just a standard, get your response out in five minutes please. And that gives, that’s still, there’s, you know, there’s five of us that’s still 25 minutes.
1:27:14 If each one of us utilizes all five minutes a night, what are your thoughts? That’s, that’s a hard one because, and I know sometimes I’ve actually gone back ‘cause I’ve, like, I talked for a really long time, like, oh, it was just seven minutes, but it was seven minutes. Mm-hmm. You know, but it was important.
1:27:27 Um, I try, try really hard not to go long, but I’m just trying to think of, you know, I think I, I don’t, I wouldn’t like the idea of the time limit. I know we did that when we did our interviews. Um, but then we were like, eh, whatever. Let’s just pretend. So it’s kind of artificial. I think to me, what is helpful with that is coming back to this, it’s kinda like the Bible.
1:27:50 You can’t just read it once and you got it all down. You know, you to come, coming back to this reminding ourselves of these agreements. Then, I mean, I feel like if you, if we commit to this, then it, it’s right there in black and white. Mm-hmm. That will make efficient use of speaking time. I also feel like if there is a five minute clock, so to speak, if someone’s passionate about something or they, they’re gonna go over the five minutes.
1:28:10 Mm-hmm. Yeah. They’re gonna say, I know I only have five minutes, but I’m going to, you know, I mean, I’ll probably do that. I don’t, but I mean, I’m just thinking that. Well, and I mean, honestly there are, like I said, there are certain times when it happens, but then there’s some times that are emotional responses that are not factual, even really necessarily based on what the agenda item is that we’re talking about.
1:28:29 They just go on a rant and I’m like, okay. So like those, how do we reign those in? Because a 10 minute long rant about something doesn’t really help the board advance in any direction other than wonderful, we just heard you for 10 minutes and now what? You know, I mean, is that the constant conversation someone has with us?
1:28:49 Like again, if I post something, I’m getting a call or you know, Just a suggestion here. We, you know, we, we agreed. Yeah. I think a reference to the working agreements would be we agreed. Agreed. So maybe to keep coming back to that. So just, can we have one of these in our binders that you put, can you put this in our binder for us?
1:29:06 Or I can even highlight the certain, like the ones that come context that are Yeah, that would probably be good. Mm-hmm. Certain people, because otherwise it’s too much to go through and then you wouldn’t be It’s a lot. Yeah. But there’s a few that are like, Hey, these need to be constant reminders that these are your working guidelines.
1:29:20 I’ll do, based on the re-listing, I’ll highlight the ones that are wrong. Okay. Highlight number 11 page. So it will be like the, it’ll be red words and black words. We’ll read the red words more. I mean, they may be more all. Sorry. Okay. And you know, sometimes we can start by getting rid of superfluous words.
1:29:37 Words. I like that word. Superfluous is not a superfluous word. Say didn’t. Yeah, I was gonna say perfect on, no, not on the verbal. Not on the verbal. All right. Uh, after board meeting a grievance, each board member may exercise his or her option to state the reasons for the decisions made, whether for or against an action.
1:29:55 But board members and staff will ultimately support the decision of the board as an entity. Lemme talk about that. Board members and staff will abide by confidentiality laws of executive sessions and closed sessions. Yep. Um, number three, ensure that all documents, records, reports, et cetera, are processed and maintained in accordance with applicable laws, regulations, policies, et cetera.
1:30:15 In other words, keep everything Yes. Don’t do anything way. Um, number four, no public officer, employee of an agency or a local government attorney shall properly use or attempt to use his or her official position or any property or resource, which may be within his or her trust to perform his or her official duties to secure a special privilege, benefit or exemption for himself, herself, or others.
1:30:34 And that’s great. From the statute. Yep. Alright. School community communications framework, um, commitment to schools slash departments. Our site visit agreements, board members are encouraged to attend as mini school events, 40 events, fine arts expense, community events as a spectator, as their time permits.
1:30:50 Number two, board members wishing to visit a school are encouraged to notify the principal of the visit in advance. Um, number three, and I’ll tell you, as the board member, I, I generally do that unless I’m coming to like drop off mm-hmm. Like treats or whatever because they, you never know what they’ve got chaos on the building that day.
1:31:06 You know, it’s just a good give, have its heads up. Um, the board member will clearly display his or her badge. Board members will follow all school policies and procedures. Board members will respect staff time and allow staff to form their duties, not evaluate staff, not give direction to any staff or students.
1:31:22 Not accept gifts other than nominal tokens or favors from any district employee. When visiting with teachers of their own children, board members will make it clear that they’re acting as parents rather than as board members And concerns raised. As a result of school visits by board members will be directed to the superintendent.
1:31:44 Commitment to the community board of community communications. Board members will serve as ambassadors for their district emphasizing positive asterisk aspects of the district. Excuse me. The superintendent and media relations staff will serve as a spokesperson for the district with the media. This is kinda what we’re talking about before.
1:31:59 Mm-hmm. Um, the chair will serve as official spokesperson for the board with the media to ensure consistent messaging on critical issues. Uh, individual board members responding to the media do not represent the board as a whole, which shall be stated during the response. I think this will be easier now that you’re here.
1:32:13 We have somebody permanent, but to me that superintendent, you are the spokesperson for the district. So that’s where Matt and Iel got a little crosswise. ‘cause I think at some point you was speaking for the district and so, and not for the board. So we’re gonna leave that to you and your team, you know, often Russ, as the Yeah.
1:32:28 I mean, because usually it’s the superintendent that addresses the legislative delegation. Mm-hmm. So, you know, yeah. I think we’ve done it well, you know, honestly, this just this year and last year were the first time we’ve actually gone to that meeting. In previous years we had our own. Yeah. Right. And well, and they asked about that they would like to do that again.
1:32:46 Yes. If we’re willing to do that. So Absolutely. Well, what the, okay. But that’s a scheduling. What he said was, the reason we couldn’t do that was because of current litigation going on between one board member and one member. Well, can we can, we can have the delegation meeting and one member cannot be there.
1:33:00 But I’ve already, I’ve already talked to Tyler Roy last week or a couple weeks ago when we had the provide this foundation thing. He absolutely wants to do it again. So, yeah. It was, uh, so how can handle, we have our own lunch and we ab invite him to the school. They don’t wanna come. They don’t, they don’t come.
1:33:12 Yeah. Yeah. Russell will contact them and set it up and Yeah. So the board member would still be welcome. But the person that has the litigation goal, is that right? We’re the host. Okay. There was not a legal reason for, for that to happen. Okay. One legislative delegation member refused to be a part. Right.
1:33:29 Did, did not want to do that. Well, I mean, I asked to attend that event because I went to attend. I, I asked through Paul, and Paul recommended I don’t attend it for fear of violation of sunshine. Right. Um, so, but yeah. But we usually do, I’ve been to it before, but we don’t usually speak at that ‘cause it’s Correct.
1:33:44 ‘cause we only always had our own private time to spend more time talking with them instead of the three minutes that they give us mm-hmm. At that event. So, okay. Yeah. And we host and we have kids, you know, we bring in food and kids come and talk. Well, I remember when Dr. First started doing that. So, you know, we can, we can go back to that.
1:34:01 I mean, um, there’s two of the different legislative, two of the different reps mentioned it last week at the breakfast I was at, and they were like, Hey, we need to go back to doing that. So d h s has an amazing culinary program with a cord on blue sheet there. I’m just telling you their food is top. Yeah.
1:34:19 Hold it in the north end. I They can host it. There we go. I drive. Um, let’s see. All right, we’re on four. Four. Yeah. Complaints received from staff of the community will be directed through the staff person best able to provide resolution of the complaint or to the superintendent. Um, complaints should be in writing and process per policy protocol.
1:34:38 The board is the last stop in the complaint process. Oh, I would love for that to be true. Yeah. And so what I, I’ll just tell you, what I usually tell people when they call me with stuff is like me stepping into school saying that it’s like dropping an atomic bomb. Mm-hmm. And there’s just no very Correct.
1:34:51 Really reason to drop the atomic bomb, direct him back to the teacher. If they’ve already done that, direct it back to the principal. Mm-hmm. And then if they haven’t, then like if it’s a secondary I sent to Dr. Sullivan, or if it’s a nun or traffic cops, that’s what f SBA a Right. That phrase stuck in my head.
1:35:04 Yeah. Right. Point ‘em to the right person. But I should never be coming into a school going, Mr. Principal, you shall. Right. Because then I’m really ever saving my bounds. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, send the person back to the school, the principal, if they’ve already done all that, then you send ‘em to us. Customer service.
1:35:21 Mm-hmm. Just, yep. Yeah. Yep. And we always have you, you know, here. So, um, board members made sure that complaints are addressed so we can follow up and say, Hey, was this addressed? Mm-hmm. Um, and anonymity is never guaranteed ‘cause it’s public record. Mm-hmm. And if they want anonymity, they have to go through the whistleblower process.
1:35:41 Right. Which is the only way really to bring, um, and only certain things can be handled that way by law. Right. It has to be certain things. ‘cause certain things are more like a personal personnel. Yeah, I believe so. Because aren’t there, when they go through whistleblower, it’s certain things like this is not really whistleblower complaint situation.
1:36:00 Right. Well, I can, I can look at that more. Okay. If you wanna know specifics. Yeah. There were some questions about whistleblower than a couple months ago. So, good. We haven’t had many. All right. Here’s our agreements, uh, board and superintendent for the purpose of enhancing teamwork among members of the board and between the board, the administration.
1:36:16 We, the members of the school district, senior leadership team, board superintendent, do hereby publicly command ourselves collectively and individually to the following operating protocol. Number one, children’s interests come first. The board will represent the needs and interests of all the children in our district.
1:36:30 Two, don’t spring surprises on other board members or the superintendent surprises to the board or the superintendent will be the exception, not the rule. There should be no surprises at a board meeting. We agree to the ask to ask the board chairperson, the superintendent to place an item on the agenda instead of bringing it up unexpectedly at the meeting.
1:36:47 Mm-hmm. And we’ve been a little loosey goosey with the discussion time. We’ve always done that. If it’s, you know, but if it’s gonna be, um, and maybe, and last week I brought up the, uh, book review policy. I probably could have held off on that one. ‘cause since it’s been a long meeting, um, you know, it was just kind of a off topic, but we, we’ve kind of usually just opened that up if there’s anything people wanna bring up.
1:37:08 But it’s usually a good idea to give people a heads up. So, I’m sorry about that. Um, communication between staff and the board is encouraged as long as it falls for policy. The senior leadership team recognizes that good, timely, open, and constant communication regarding school district issues is extremely important.
1:37:25 We will strive to anticipate issues which may become important or are sensitive to our school district and district stakeholders. And Katie, I think that was a good time to put up, ‘cause that week we were getting, it was an article paper, it was time week, you know, we were getting emails and so I thought it was a wise thing.
1:37:39 Yeah. Yeah. And we weren’t gonna change a policy that night. That’s, well, I wanna talk about that at the end of this. So, yeah, we’ll go into that. It’s kind of a balance, you know, and there’s kind of a balance, you know, how fully loaded is the topic. Um, encourage outreach to staff. While the board is eager to listen to its constituents and staff, each inquiry is to be referred to the person who can properly and expeditiously address the issue.
1:38:02 Board requests that will likely consider required considerable time or have political implications are to be directed to the superintendent. All personnel complaints and criticisms received by the board or its individual members will be directed to the superintendent and or ee
1:38:20 remembered correctly on this. Okay. Own the collective decision making process. The senior leadership team will support decisions made by the board and or the administrative team. Once a decision is made, we will support the majority decision, exemplify the governance role. The board has ownership of it policies, and this is the entity’s number one duty.
1:38:37 The leadership team board and superintendent will support the policies our district currently has in place. The board will hold workshops to continue to study and review policies for effectiveness and appropriately engaged key stakeholders in the development or deletion of policies and policy revisions.
1:38:52 We will maintain and apply district policies consistently while being cognizant of and recognizing the potential uniqueness of any given situation. We will annually conduct a self-assessment evaluation. The board will address its behavior by yearly self-evaluation. It’s another time we can bring up some of those things.
1:39:09 Mm-hmm. And by addressing itself to any individual problems, such as poor meeting, attendance or leaks of confidential information, we should probably be doing that in the fall. Tammy. Right? I’m sorry, what was that? We had scheduled the board self assessment evaluation. We used to do it in the spring. Yeah, I think we wanted to, I wanted to say you wanted to do it in March, but because you guys were tuned brand new onboarding, it kind of changed that we moved it.
1:39:31 Mm-hmm. Um, and it hasn’t been, I, I mentioned it like to Matt to see when he wanted to schedule that. Well, we haven’t scheduled. We need to have, at least we’ve all been on the board for a year. Mm-hmm. Before we. Uh, we can do it more than a year, but we need to do it. Okay. You know, at some point it would be, yeah, it didn’t make sense of day March.
1:39:47 Um, number nine, clearly state goals. The board will set clear goals for themselves and the superintendent, the board and superintendent, will set clear goals for the district. Um, utilize c e o input. The superintendent is the chief Executive officer of the senior leadership team and should make recommendations, proposals, or suggestions on most matters that come before the board.
1:40:07 Board acts only as a body individual Board members do not have authority. Only the board as a whole has authority. We agree that an individual board member will not take unilateral action. The board chairperson will communicate the positions of the board on controversial issues. When board members serve on various school committees, their rules shall be defined by the board as silent, observer, or active participants.
1:40:30 Uh, meeting protocol conduct of a board meeting is very important. We desire to have a legacy of a well-functioning, effective board. We agree to avoid words and actions that create a negative impression on an individual, the board or the district. We’ll be open-minded and willing to deeply listen to all speakers, presenters.
1:40:47 And we do get knocked. We’ve been getting knocked. Board members have been getting knocked on that since I, before I got on the board. So as hard as it is, stay engaged. I write, do I take notes? Do I write every name and I write what they say and ‘cause agree or disagree? We just, everybody who comes to the microphone deserves to be heard.
1:41:04 I do. Unless I have to go to the bathroom and then I step out and then I get accused for walking out for controversial talk. Whatever you times. Yeah. Well, I mean, you should turn the bathroom. No, but then we need have more. We have to Bathroom breaks. We should add that in here. Yeah, we do. I think actually some words in here, I think it’s on the next one actually.
1:41:20 But, uh, we agree that we can disagree and we’ll do so using common courtesy and respect for others will not react to impromptu complaints on the spot. But we’ll assure any of individuals that the school district will follow up. Number 13, avoid marathon board meetings. Well, we have broke this one. Uh, to be efficient and effective, long board meetings must be avoided.
1:41:39 Individual board member speeches will be succinct. If a board member believes, uh, he or she doesn’t have enough time, uh, you ask you me enough information or has questions. Every effort should be made to ask questions that responsible staff or the superintendent. 14, practice efficient decision making.
1:41:54 Board meetings are for decision making action votes and appropriate discussion. We agree to move to the question when discussion is repetitive. 15. Speak to agenda issues. The board will not play to the audience. Highlight that one, highlight that Tammy Board will now play to the audience. We agree to speak to the issues on the agenda and attend to our fellow board members.
1:42:14 Facts, information needed from the administration will be referred to the superintendent. 16 executive closed sessions will be held only for appropriate subjects. Executive sessions will be held only when specific needs arise. Board members will be extremely sensitive to the legal ramifications of their meetings and comments.
1:42:31 Um, and I, I know we can talk about some point. Um, has anyone, you had brought it up a while ago about the, the public comment time in our, in our meetings. I mean, we’re there to govern and in, and when we have 45 speakers to talk about. I don’t like the color of your shirt and all this, and it takes two hours before we could do something.
1:42:52 Hopefully those days are behind us, but, uh, uh, I’d like to maybe at some point, I don’t know if this is a good time for Dr. Mandel to even speak with his preferences. And there are groups out there that will have public comment at the beginning on the agenda items and public comment and non agenda items at the end.
1:43:10 Um, there’s, there’s something to be said that I’d like to be on top of my game and get to the agenda items spoken, get to the business, and if you want to talk about things that have nothing to do, even in a positive way, but it’s just nothing to do with, uh, the agenda that there’s a time and a place for that.
1:43:26 But that’s, that’s at the end of the, the board meeting. Um, And on hold. What’s your thought? What’s your, what’s your thought on those? Yeah, so, um, I’ve seen other boards do some different things with public speaking. Um, for example, good timing, right? We, uh, we’re being sued in the other, we do have two ways you can you public comment, you know, general public comment, or you can speak to an agenda item, you know, she can sign up to speak for one or both.
1:43:52 Um, so I’ve seen districts that the open public comment section, they say, um, we’re gonna reserve that at the beginning of the meeting to 30 minutes. We’re gonna hold that to 30 minutes. So the first 10 speakers, you know, first 10 speakers of speakers to sign up and get to go. Then anybody else that signs up for general public comment, you do that at the end, you know, that kind of thing.
1:44:14 So it gets you to the business meeting portion of your agenda sooner. Um, you know, there’s advantages and disadvantages to it. The criticisms are, if I’m the 11th person to sign up, I’ve gotta wait till, probably the issue I’m talking about has been voted on and decided. Mm-hmm. Or my general comment, whether it’s even on an, an agenda item, is not gonna be heard till eight, eight o’clock at night, nine o’clock at night, nine o’clock at night at the end of the recorded, um, meeting.
1:44:41 So, but it’s a way to keep the, you know, the way for you to get to the business items sooner. You know, if you have two hours of public comment, then you’re not getting to the business items until two hours into your scheduled meeting time. You know, so, and part of me honestly likes that just because I, I feel like we get beat up, up there some, there are some days where I’m like, hours of just negative comments and then it’s like, and now we want you to go govern and do it efficiently after you’ve been blasted for two hours straight.
1:45:09 Um, that isn’t really putting us at our best. Uh, so I don’t know. I don’t know how we get around that though. ‘cause I, I don’t, I just, I can’t get past the irony because these are the conversations we were having when we changed it. And then some people didn’t like the three minutes, two minutes, one minutes.
1:45:23 But it was, these are the conversations we were having when we moved the agenda, the non agenda items to the end when we did the stagger times that sometimes it was two one. But when we made those changes, now the number one, like, like biggest pushback was not having the cameras. ‘cause we were originally gonna do, we never actually did it because it was so much pushback from all different kinds of people.
1:45:46 Mm-hmm. You know, on all different kinds of viewpoints. No, we wanna see, we wanna see all the comments. So that I would suggest we never go back to mm-hmm. Because it’s this very broad objection to that. Even though there are districts who do that mm-hmm. Who do it on the front end and don’t record. Um, it’s, yeah.
1:46:00 And Right. And then we’re out in the middle of a lot of controversy at the time. Sure. I, I, it’s just, it’s just really ironic to me because that, like I said, these are the conversations we were having. We made those adjustments and we got crucified in many arenas for, for putting on agenda at the end and for, um, you know, all those kinds of things.
1:46:18 So I, I mean that’s, that’s weak though. I mean, if we’re still allowing three minutes each, we’re it’s just the time of when you speak. Yeah. That could save us. We’re at our best and if, if, if you really want to talk on a, on a topic off the agenda, you, you need to sign up before we start speaking at the beginning and you need to stick around to the meeting.
1:46:38 So couple of things, people would just talk about part of the agenda and then run into whatever they were saying. Well then you gotta cut you. I think you have Right. To cut ‘em. The other piece is, is that we had students that were coming to say things to us making adjustments to that. Yeah. And what ended up happening.
1:46:54 So like our bus drivers came one night. Mm-hmm. And first off, they, um, you know, they came to speak, they drove there, they had to wait like two and a half hours. Right. And they had one minute, which I, yeah. That, those were like, that was like ground zero for me. I was like, this needs to go. The problem when we put it to the end is that anybody that comes in there to speak to us employees or anything like that mm-hmm.
1:47:18 Ends up having to wait that long. Kids for everything else. Like we have projects or whatever. It’s, um, and there’s a way to mitigate that. You can say if you’re a student or a person, that I don’t know how to do that. Well, we had those conversations too, and I will tell you for one, I, I never feel comfortable picking win winners and losers in that.
1:47:36 You know, should we let the mom with the little kids go first? Should we let the students go first? Should we let the employees go first? Because then we’re, we’re, we’re deciding whose perspective is more important. So, um, this is the way we had it, have it now is pretty much how we had it the first couple years that I was on the board, with the exception of now they can address us mm-hmm.
1:47:54 In person. Um, so we, and, and the sign up time is all the way up to the time. Right. That would be the other thing is we changed the policy on that if we put ‘em at the end and they can keep signing up all the way until whatever the end might be. Right. It could be seven o’clock, it could be nine 30. Yep. Um, I don’t know.
1:48:13 I mean, I, if, if you’ve got some suggestions, I mean, I’m open to moving it back around, but I’m just saying that this is, there’s a lot of pushback on, on every way. Yeah. But I, I mean, I think, I’m not suggesting we change. I was just, I’ve seen it done different ways. Yeah. I also think that we, we just made this change, right?
1:48:33 Mm-hmm. Um, the last, yeah, I think we finished it off in January maybe. Right? So six months in maybe. Yeah. So maybe we go for another six months and Yeah. It’s getting outta control. So we see that this is still keeping us from, from getting to the business until eight o’clock at night. Then maybe we do need to do something different.
1:48:52 Yeah. And, you know, last week it was, was it 30, 20? It was an hour. Mm-hmm. It was like a 20. But we haven’t, we, you know, things do calm down. They go second. But the, I don’t know about that yet. It gives, if you didn’t do that, it gives, it gives speakers the chance to speak twice then it does. Like right now it doesn’t.
1:49:10 Right. I mean, you can’t sign up If you do it, then you, you might, you could do an agenda, non agenda longer and people did that. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And you would, um, so yeah. It, it is just something that needs to be, it’s harder for the chairman to have to police that though, because then the chairman’s having to sit there and go, this is agenda.
1:49:28 You’re not speaking to the agenda. Because people would put, oh, I’m speaking on this agenda item, and then just go off on whatever. Right? Right. And it was very loosely related. So then you’re asking the chairman to judge. Um, and that was a challenge for when we had agenda, non agenda. So just, I guess leave it like it is.
1:49:44 I don’t know. I, and, and look at it again. Yeah, we’re gonna have to probably come back to this. I think we see, see how it goes for a few months, you know, because we, you know, it is the summertime and we are going in the morning. So that’s gonna change some dynamics a little bit. Yeah. This is tweakable.
1:50:00 Definitely tweakable policy. All right. We in 12. All right. School will probably zero. 1, 2, 3. I think we just went over this. Yeah, we did tomorrow. Yeah. 14. Yeah. Y’all could, oh, no, no, no. This is not, um, standards of Boardman. As a member of the school of the board, each board member shall promote the best interest of the school district as a whole.
1:50:22 And to that end, each board member shall adhere to the following educational and ethical standards. Ethical one, make decisions in terms of the educational welfare of all children, regardless of ability, race, creed, sex, or social standing two. Did I skip something? Mm. No, it didn’t. I think you can finish up that.
1:50:36 Um, two, bring about desired change changes through legal and ethical procedures, upholding, enforcing all laws, state board of education policies and court orders pertaining to schools. Three. Recognize that decisions must be made by the board as a whole and that we made these decisions must be supported by the entire board.
1:50:51 Four. Focus board. Action on policymaking, goal setting, planning, and evaluation, and insist on regular, impartial evaluation of all staff. Five, support school personnel and the performance and the proper performance of their duties. Six. Hold confidential. All matters pertaining to the educational system that may needlessly harm individuals or the system.
1:51:09 And respect the confidentiality of information that is privileged under applicable law. Seven. Attend all scheduled board meetings and workshops insofar as as possible and become informed on the issues to be considered at these meetings. Eight. Work with the superintendent, neither undermining nor intruding into the areas legally assigned to the school administration.
1:51:28 Nine. Make policy decisions only after full discussion at public board meetings and render these decisions based on available facts, refusing to surrender that judgment to individuals or special groups. 10. Encourage the free expression of expression of opinions by all board members and seek systematic communication between the board and students, staff, and all elements of the community.
1:51:49 11. Informed myself about current educational issues through study and participation in appropriate programs and or workshops. 12. Refrain from using my board position for personal and political gain. 13. Encourage recognition of the achievements of students and staff and of the involvement of business and community members.
1:52:07 We do that really well. Um, 14. Listen responsibly to the community and make decisions based on the best interest of the system as a whole. 15. Support legislation funding, which will help to improve the educational opportunities and environment for students and staff. 16, remember always that my first and greatest concern must be the educational welfare of all the students attending the district.
1:52:28 And that we must provide appropriate curriculum, facilities, and motivation so that students will be encouraged to love learning, enabling them to achieve their highest and and highest. And then our code of ethics, all board members, board members shall complete four hours of ethics training each calendar year.
1:52:46 That addresses at a minimum Section eight and all that public records law. Hey, we can we do this sooner rather than later because these guys are, I did mine. Did you do it? I did it last year. You weren’t required to, but Right. But I did it anyways. Did you, have you gotten a chance to do that yet? I’ve done it.
1:53:01 Definitely don’t wanna wait till the very end of the year. ‘cause they F S P A provides it. But the last couple years we’ve done a joint thing with elected officials around, there’s a lot of people including the city managers who have to do it. And that’s working through the Space Coast League of Cities.
1:53:13 Usually we collaborate with down and then they, um, we, if we put a date out there, you can see if it works for us. Yeah, sooner. Sooner is better. But then also it’s a, a collaboration among Paul and I believe Amy involved our former attorney, our other attorney, and they make it fun. ‘cause it, some of it’s really boring, haven’t heard it.
1:53:28 So I guess seeing when they would be ready, I could reach out to Amy and Paul. It’s like a game. Yeah. She looks, does like Jeopardy game Geo parity. Parity. That would be, it’s copyrighted. It’s four hours though, so it is. You don’t have to carve out time to do it. Yeah. But we do it together. It’s more fun.
1:53:44 And then if you can’t make it, you can’t make it. But we invite everybody so it’s more fun, more people that are in the room, even though I have done it by myself, which is I do by myself online. Some kids that online than you guys. Yeah. F S B A offers, fads offers it. I probably could just get the link and then you could just fresh refresh right now and start reviewing it so you Yeah, it’s really important.
1:54:03 Public records, laws as well as, um, procurement, um, like, you know, gifts and mm-hmm. Things like that. Um, sunshine or Sunshine law covers and trains. Yes. Yes. Um, furthermore, number two, uh, a board member may not knowingly sign and transmit to any state official report of alleged misconduct by instructional personnel or school administrators, which affects the health, safety, or welfare of a student, which the board member knows to be false or incorrect or knowingly failed to adopt policies that requires instructional personnel and school administrators to report alleged misconduct by other instructional personnel and school administrators.
1:54:38 Or that required the investigation of all reports of alleged misconduct by instructional personnel and school administrators. If the misconduct affects the health, safety, or welfare of a student violation of these provisions will forfeit result in the forfeit of the board member salary for one year.
1:54:53 Find it. We got through it. We did. We we need to have an extra line for Dr. I was just thinking we don’t have a signature where we should, so Yeah. Can we just add a line for him and a signature and date line? He can sign it. Yeah. We have the separate date. We have, well, we have some time now at this point between, right.
1:55:16 Do you wanna take a break to Yeah, you probably should probably take the restroom break. I didn’t think they’re supposed to be quite so long. What was the Yeah. ‘cause we don’t wanna do the initiatives without No, we need Matt here for that. Right. We can have the F S V A board of director discussion probably, and then Matt weigh in.
1:55:34 So it is, so the, um, as long as three of us agree to stay at f the S v A and I think you have Matt, so we need to pick a representative on the board of directors. We get one. I have done it the last two years. I’m willing to do it again, but, um, we have a, the deadline’s not the meeting this week, but they kind of, if we know, we could go ahead and tell ‘em when we get there tomorrow.
1:55:57 Hey, it’s gonna be so and so, so if y’all are okay with me doing it, I’m happy to do it. You can check with Matt when comes back in. I feel like the three of you need to decide that because I, um, I’m not an F S B A person, right? No, you decided to be good. That’s as long as I could be. Alternative one. As well.
1:56:13 Oh, okay. So the invoice that we’ll be paying in July has four members. Aside from the five, unless you wanna change that, I kind of think I do ‘cause I don’t utilize any of it. So it just seems like a waste to me to spend that money. So a different invoice and have ‘em just, yeah, because it, as long as three of us, it doesn’t impact anything as far as what you can do with F Ss b A.
1:56:31 So I, to me, I don’t feel like it’s, I’m not using it so it’s a waste, not, I’m having the board of directors conversation, um, for F F B A. Oh yeah. So I’m, I’m happy to do it again if you guys, I’m gonna, if it’s okay, I’m gonna find a, I’m gonna run for that and then get, talk to Andrea about creating a special spot for you.
1:56:54 ‘cause there’s some stuff Tim and I and some of the others are gonna go through. Okay. So you want to be the board of directors for the next two years? That’s okay. Okay. Well, I mean, but I want to try to help you because I know you’re trying to move up in the No, I’m actually, I, you don’t know what, you don’t know what is in my mind, Matt, if you would like to serve as a board of directors, I’ve done it for the last two years.
1:57:13 I that’s fine. And I can be your alternate so that if you can’t be there, um, this week, tomorrow will be my last one then. Um, and Matt would start in October with the, with the next one. You’re not trying to move into the vice president, president stuff? No, I’m, no, I have no motivation to do any of that at all.
1:57:33 Right now. I’m just trying to do my best. Okay. Doing that. I’m just, usually when you get on the nomination thing and all that stuff, my head, I’ve done that twice. I just like to be in that position. Um, okay. Can I give an update to the, uh, lawsuit? Uh, I don’t think you can do that. Yeah, I would say we do think you can do that in an open session.
1:57:57 So there’s Starburst next door, by the way. So Matt, back to the, is that, is there a majority? ‘cause that’s, You’re saying you want it. So that’s one vote. You’re saying you’re okay with her. She’s saying she doesn’t mind if I do. What? She, she doesn’t mind. I mean, Jean, are you okay with him? So, so that’s the rep.
1:58:13 And you’re al Yeah.
1:58:19 Did you guys already talk about the initiatives? No. We’re we’re gonna take one of the, we taking a break.
1:58:26 Tarbucks mind. Oh, you guys wanna take a break before we do that? Yes. We think we need to. Hello? Paul’s here. Let’s leave.
1:58:44 Everybody good? Yep. We’re all back here. Okay. Um, so the next up is the, uh, we have the future topic review direction of future current and future initiatives. Kind of just, you know, one of the reasons I put this on here is that now we’ve been trading pink for, you know what I mean, six months and we kind of know where we’re going.
1:59:03 And we had some of these lists here and Dr. Ell here, so I didn’t know if you guys wanted to add anything. We had, uh, Tammy printed out the list in size two font. I have it on the screen as well. It’s too far. Yeah, she like do Okay. Oh, it’s down the bottom. Okay. But one of the things Dr. Rene, when we came up with these was there’s some, some issues out there in the community that we feel like we could realign some of our, we could help collaborate with outside sources to do a better job for us.
1:59:35 So when we talked about the mental health we had, I had a meeting with a lot of people from the various agencies and stuff like that about eight months ago. And they had identified things that are outside our control but impact us. So we were saying that, you know, an initiative should be to try to figure out what capacity we are not able to produce for our children for mental health, and then fix those.
2:00:02 That’s all. So social, you know what I mean? Workers and those kind of things. Policy review, schedule. We got communications we’re doing, what’s that? Yeah, I said we’re doing that. We communications to families. Um, we’re doing a, we could do a better job there, I think. But I, I think when we’re going through these, there’s any that you guys think we’re, we’re done with that or that’s just not needed now?
2:00:26 Or Dr. Mende, you want to add any um, the budget process? Transparency. We’re doing discipline. We’re in the middle of doing HR protocols. He’s working on K through three reading levels is a big one. Yeah. Um, you wanna talk to that since that’s your baby? No, I mean that’s, that’s an area that, you know, that’s a seed that we’ll plant that we’re gonna see dividends pay, uh, in years to come.
2:00:48 But I would love for our district to take the initiative of heavily focusing the K through three reading initiative. I mean, investing everything we possibly can. Um, if we can step in on an upfront basis rather than catching ‘em after we identify it, uh, that there’s an issue. I, and a, a big part of this I’m learning is dyslexia, which is crazy to me.
2:01:08 ‘cause I did not know that that was the biggest hurdle for a lot of our students to learn how to read and the number of students that fall in this category and that are not identified until far later in their educational career. So, um, if there was a way for our district to take the initiative to research this, um, maybe I don’t, I don’t even know what goes into the testing to find out if a kid is dyslexic or not.
2:01:31 Uh, but if that could be done at a V P K kindergarten level and we could catch it right then, then we can teach to the child the way the child needs to be taught to instead of the standard way of this is how we teach these kids how to read. Um, some of it’s as silly as a font. A difference in a font will make that child able to read a book versus a different font.
2:01:51 So, um, There’s, there’s not only those, I think in general, Dr. The identifying of dyslexia of E S C mm-hmm. Of that kind an earlier day. You know what I mean? Yeah. So there’s legislation that was just passed in Tallahassee that focuses on more resources on K three and, uh, specifically dyslexia education and, uh, identification.
2:02:16 So we’re gonna have to respond to that. We’re have to do that as a response All right. To legislation anyway. Um, big focus on phonics instruction at the primary grades and stuff like that. So we’re gonna be investing in that anyway. Good. But I feel like I’ve had talks with, uh, Jane Klein and a little bit with Cindy Lusinsky about how maybe, maybe we can direct some more resources in words, money towards K three.
2:02:40 Mm-hmm. Some different things we can do in K three. So, good. We’ll be bringing that to you at a, at a workshop and, and hopefully launch it before this year. But, um, you know, everybody understands that if we can get our students reading professionally in third grade, that’s gonna pay dividends down the road.
2:02:55 Right. So it’s something we can front load the investment. We’ll see the dividends later. Yeah. Yeah. And then, and most of the argument is not so much on us as much as incorporating parents, incorporating the community, you know what I mean? And that’s where I think we we’re always taking on the responsibility of so much from the outside, but what we’re not doing is, is we’re not having the community do their part too, in some instances.
2:03:21 And I think that they could help out. You know what I mean? Yeah. I mean, I think Thrive by Five is part of that. I mean, everything, if we can put a, a good focus on basically birth to, to grade three, then we can. Hopefully, but it’ll take some time and we won’t see those results for a while. No, I was gonna say it’s gonna take 10 years before you finally see like that catch up.
2:03:40 And, and I think that third grade is too late. Honestly. I think really the focus needs to be kindergarten. Yeah. So we, in Indian River, we were, we were heavily focused on third grade for a few years. There was a huge non-profit that was pouring a lot of resources into it. And we were really, we’re focusing on third grade, like try and catch kids up who weren’t proficient in third grade.
2:03:57 Mm-hmm. And we realized we need to keep doing that and we can’t forget about those kids and write ‘em off, but we need to really invest more in K one two. Yeah. Pre-k. Um, so the trick with, you know, one of the things that would help is extra extra personnel in those lower grades, you know, having like an IA to share across kindergartens or whatever.
2:04:17 Um, but the trick with that is even if we had to fund, let’s say you said we’re gonna use the additional funding we finding the people fill this class because all it would be is shifting iass from this area to that area. Correct. And we, we have to have ‘em an e, s e to provide minutes. So, so a lot of, when you talk about the community, to me it’s going back to getting volunteers, but having a specific plan for them having, um, you know, opportunities for them to come in and, and have a small group read to them while the teachers work with another small group.
2:04:48 Mm-hmm. Um, that effective use of the volunteers is gonna be a part of that conversation too. Yeah. So that was part of the discussion, and I didn’t want to put it on record, is that, could we provide every kindergarten classroom with an ia, like every kindergarten classroom with an ia or how much would that cost?
2:05:04 And where will we find these ias? And so then the discussion led to, well what about some of our parents? Maybe they could volunteer and maybe they can’t come five days a week. Maybe you volunteer, you’re there Tuesday, Thursday, and. We train you on what you could do to help supplement reading, instruction, stuff like that.
2:05:20 So those are the conversations we’re having. So, yeah. So is it, would it be possible to, or an idea maybe to just bring round up all of our kindergarten teachers and have them come in and give us their input on what will help them succeed? I mean, I’m hearing from some of my kindergarten teachers that they’re, they’re seeing kids come in that are not potty drained.
2:05:37 That’s a whole nother level of things that they’re having to do on top of teaching. So I think maybe getting their feedback would be tremendous and bring back classroom parents. I mean, that was a huge thing. That’s when, when I was gonna speak that the last two elementary schools that I visited, um, and then the kindergarten classes, they said that this, this IA is a parent.
2:05:57 And, and that’s how we got them mm-hmm. Is getting parents in and said, Hey, how about getting paid for this? You know, they were volunteering and it, it, it recruited, but also I, I was gonna touch on that as getting those kindergarten teachers in here and just maybe ask them, they’re the ones that are out there.
2:06:14 Yeah. Especially us coming from different levels and, uh, you know, possibly, I, I was even thinking that curriculum, not the type of curriculum, but the emphasis and the time spent. I, I know we talk about math and how at eighth grade level we have such low math proficiency, but maybe those classes are an hour and a half.
2:06:34 You know, if, if, if the reading one, maybe we spend more time during the day on the teaching of the reading and the math. Yeah. Well, I mean, just, just know we’re focused on it. Just know we’re already talking about what we can do differently in K one, two, and three. Um, partly because now we’ve got c statute requirements to do some things, partly because third grade’s gonna be a separate component on the school grading formula.
2:06:56 I mean, you know, there’s some reasons that are force would be great, but in reality I love the idea of bringing in the kindergarten teachers and saying, what, what, what would help you? Yeah. Like what kind of support do you need? You know, and obviously kids are coming less ready. Yeah. You know, and so obviously extra support would be a way to attack that.
2:07:14 And maybe that’s something that the district could even take an initiative of as far as communication to our parents on the V P K offerings that we have that are free and available to them for them to utilize. I don’t, some parents aren’t utilizing that, and I just don’t know if it’s because they don’t know about it or what the deal there is.
2:07:28 But I can’t imagine why anybody would say, no, I don’t want send my kids to, we found an out outspoken kindergarten teacher who would like to help, you know, do a little, here’s how to get your kid child ready for kindergarten video, you know, and we push that out. Here’s some things that would be helpful on the first day of your kid.
2:07:42 Know, not everybody’s gonna see it, but some would. Yeah. I mean, like, kids start in kindergarten, not potty trained. Who’s gotta wear on that kid? Um, yeah, mentally just taking on, getting picked on and stuff like that. I mean, there’s a lot of stuff as parents we need to be doing. Well, that’s what I said. I’m like, you’re changing diapers.
2:07:57 Some of them are changing diapers. And I’m like, what? Like, okay, so this is a whole, how are you gonna teach a kid how to read when you’re changing diaper? Like this is, and that’s the larger conversation wrapped around our, our V P K providers and many of other areas out there to see what capacities they have.
2:08:15 In the event that you start advertising it, those parents are gonna be looking for places. How do we deal with that? You know what I mean? It’s a whole conversation. So maybe early learning coalition, like partnering with them and, and, and talking with them all. They’re already on my calendar, so. All right.
2:08:28 Good. Look, look at this. You’re already ahead of us on all this. No, but I mean, I hadn’t thought about bringing the K kindergarten teachers in. That seems like I should have thought of that. It’s okay. Well, I think that they’ll probably be very insightful on what would help them. The next one is, but you have this as a focus and we, we will definitely be focusing on it.
2:08:45 So that’s like top three. You were going through those. I didn’t know we were gonna speak on each of those as we were going through that, that first one. I really would like to get Dr. Mendel’s viewpoint of being a building principal of, of the things that we’re seeing in our schools. Are they prepared? My thing is, you’re not gonna do it correctly then don’t do it.
2:09:07 I’m not, I’m not sure if as a district that we’re. We’re doing that per, we’re doing that to whatever that word is, uh, to fidelity. Yeah, fidelity. Uh, you talking about the mental health? Mental health. Yeah, the mental health. I mean, we’re doing the little videos and stuff and then I know at Coco Beach we wouldn’t have a mental health counselor there.
2:09:24 You know, we’re stirring the pot and then, hey, every two weeks we have somebody in an office here for you. Just for example. I could be wrong, but, um, coming from the, yeah. I mean, I think, so that’s the thing. We have a lot of schools that have a lot of wraparound resources, but not all of our schools do.
2:09:37 Like, not every school has a social worker. Right. Um, you might have a school psychologist assigned to you, but the less needy, so to speak, schools, the school psychologist is there one day a week and stuff like that. And, uh, what Mr. Trent’s talking about is, as part of that Marjorie Stoneman Douglas Act, um, we provide the, the mental health, uh, awareness training to the, to the students.
2:10:00 And in some ways that might step stir up some mental health concerns amongst some of our students. And then some of our schools are better equipped to respond to that than others. ‘cause they don’t have enough staff, you know, that handle that. So, um, that’s one of the things we’re gonna talk about is reviewing the tiered support that we provide to our schools.
2:10:18 Like our neediest schools get their, the tier three schools and they get the most support. And then the next group of schools are considered tier two and they get a certain amount of support. And then what do the tier one schools get? And in a lot of cases, the tier one schools don’t get as much support.
2:10:33 Um, and they still have the kind of kids that need support. They not have as many. Right. But they still have some kids that need support. So how do we support them? And that’s going back to the IA conversation. The same thing could happen there because personnel, because I mean, we could fund a social worker worker for every school.
2:10:47 We could not find a social worker. Yeah. And I think when we first got the Esser grant, that’s what a lot of the, the funding was directed towards these wraparound services. Mm-hmm Mental health counselors, um, social workers, behavior technicians. And we’ve haven’t been able to fill all those positions ‘cause the people just aren’t out there.
2:11:05 But, you know, that’s a conversation, you know, like, um, Mental health’s on the list and it’s gonna stay on the list. You know, what kind of services can we provide to every school? And you know, obviously the schools with higher need to get more. Oh. I think we need to make sure that even at tier one, the tier one schools are getting some support if we, if we can, if we can find it, you know?
2:11:27 Right. Like every school gets the basics before a tier three gets more. Yeah. I mean, that just to me makes sense. If we have the basics to give, I mean, that’s gonna be the, the, the, the, the rub is gonna be, do we have enough social workers? And you know, we don’t Right now, is there a company, are there companies that we could outsource that’s gonna go outside resource?
2:11:46 We are already doing that. I met with the mental health counselors and social workers and had them put together an evaluation of how many our mental health counselors, there’s only like half of our positions I think are right. Okay. The other problem we have is, is that the other half have left to go to Orange County and other places.
2:12:02 So we actually have mental health counselors that are invar that travel to Orange County because of two reasons, the current environment that they were in, the discipline. Mm-hmm. And the other piece was, is the pay, which I think we alleviated both of them. So now part of our thing was what we talked about down there is the, some of the attraction for the positions right now, we can go after those other ones.
2:12:22 So we had them identified, I met with them, they identified all their friends that are doing that. Mm-hmm. Um, and I may have forwarded that to you. I can’t remember that email, but those are some of the things to, that the new HR guy could go after. Okay. So I think part of it is, yeah, I think, yeah, student services and HR working together, try to fill those.
2:12:39 And I think with the millage, we’re gonna be able to have more competitive salary, you know, and then it’s also working conditions, like their workload, you know. Yeah. Every, they might go there somewhere else, but every social worker, like every sphere is short. I mean, they’re just, people are aren’t, it’s like education.
2:12:54 People aren’t graduating with that, even though you think that’s a high, but it’s a high needs job. It’s a, it’s. S you know, it’s, it’s very stressful. Yep. So, but there’s, you know, but in answer to your question, I can’t remember how many of our social worker positions are contracted services, but we have, we just approved one sometime in the last month or two.
2:13:13 Yeah. That’s outside. Yep. We have a lot of it that’s, uh, outsourced or contracted out. Like for example, Coco Beach did finish the year with a 0.5 of a social worker unit like that. We didn’t have it, it was outsourced. So there was a social worker that did two days at Jefferson, two days at Cogo Beach, and then every other Friday he would alternate.
2:13:32 So he did Monday, Tuesday at Jefferson, Wednesday, Thursday at Cocoa Beach. And then every Friday he would alternate. Um, so that’s support. Um, it’s contracted out and it’s still only part-time support, you know, but it’s better than nothing. He would do small groups and stuff like that. So, you know, we’ll take a, an, an analysis and evaluation of where we’re at and where we can possibly go.
2:13:55 Okay. But, you know, it’s, it’s on the list and everything that’s on the list is important, so. Right. It’s not like I know in a, and what I was, um, maybe you guys may know Representative Placencia, he works for I B M now and they work with cities and counties on collaborating resources between the county, cities and school districts.
2:14:14 So like a lot of the kids that we’re dealing with that need mental health supports mm-hmm. Are also in the housing projects that the city or county is also paying for those supports for. Okay. We’re also providing rec after school programs, whereas they’re doing the same thing. So there’s a lot of cross revenue that’s being spent.
2:14:32 Right. So when we ever have that municipality meeting, we can talk about, Hey, you do this, well, we do this too. Well maybe, you know, okay. Yeah. There’s some good collaboration there. And it’s the same way with the mental health. ‘cause there’s so many mental health supports out there. Mm-hmm. But how we pull them together to support us rather than us supporting them.
2:14:51 Does that make sense? Yeah. And that’s what I think they’re gonna do a great job. Good. Um, the next one is, is our career in technical. Um, you know, Ali has their aviation program next to the airport. Great point. Positioning. Yeah. But like Bayside has a manufacturing program that’s 20 miles from any, or 15 miles from any manufacturer.
2:15:11 Right. On Bayside is everything is gonna be 20 miles away. The issue is, is that it’s the best way to get anywhere. There’s, there’s some of our programs that we could realign and, um, make for the community’s needs more so than just having a program at a school. And we also, the other component of it is, is that like, um, we don’t have any veterinarian programs, right?
2:15:38 Right. So, but Eastern Florida State has a, has one, but we don’t promote kids dual enrolling to that mm-hmm. Program. ‘cause we may not be able to create veterinarian programs. So the idea is, is, but there’s a huge need for vet techs and everything else in our community. Yeah. So the idea is, is just to have a progressive c t e alignment plan, and that’s kind of what we’re gonna be doing on Thursday with some of those HR directors and stuff.
2:16:01 So I think that’s all. Does that make sense to you, Dr. Yeah. No, I think we always need to evaluate what c t e offerings we have and where they are. Yeah. You know, and I think, you know, sometimes we put a program in and it’s, it’s the best program to put in that area at that time. Then 10 years later, maybe that industry’s changed and it’s not the best fit for that area in that industry.
2:16:23 So we have to reevaluate and move things, you know, or eliminate programs and stuff like that. Well, I think it would be better, it would be smart for our district to really excel at the programs that we have versus being a, a jack of all trade and a master of none. Yeah. Uh, I’d rather us just hone in on these, you know, whatever.
2:16:40 It’s, because I think right now, what do we have? 60 something? I mean, it’s, it’s a lot of ‘em. Um, so I’m like, I don’t know that we’re actually successfully, well, the good thing is, It’s a, it’s a really good area to ask for additional funding from the state and federal government. Yeah. ‘cause they wanna support workforce education.
2:16:57 Right. So, you know, as long as we can find programs that are viable, you know, and needed mm-hmm. And we can find an instructor. Yeah. You know, ‘cause I think a lot of times that’s our biggest thing. We say, oh, we should go do this program and it’s great and industry says they need it and we have a school that’s willing to host it.
2:17:12 And we have, we find funding for it. We gotta make sure that we can have an instructor, you know, ‘cause and a good one. Yeah. Yeah. I, I got a, a app praise report yesterday when I was at meeting with the mayor of Titusville and the chief police at their chief Lau, and he was talking about the 9 1 1 dispatch program that Titusville High has.
2:17:30 And he spoke to a specific student who had, for all purposes, given up his family life was a mess. Parents absent, he was homeless, um, and got enrolled in that program. And this kid was on his way towards just probably jail or drugs, honestly. And so he just was praising how that program saved that kid’s life because this kid now, because of doing that program, completing it, he went over to Ville PD, was a 9 1 1 dispatcher, and he just got recruited by the Honolulu Police Department.
2:17:57 And I was like, you’re gonna Hawaii. Oh my gosh. But so now this kid’s future is extremely bright, whereas he didn’t care about school and he wasn’t, no one was pushing him. So I think the c t e focus is something that we need to make sure is always at the forefront of our brain. And the tricky part, I don’t know that I completely agree with the whole aligning it to the community just because people are so mobile.
2:18:15 You know, people don’t, it’s, we’re not in a day where people stay in the same community their whole lives. So if, so, if we don’t have, like, for example, Bayside, we don’t have manufacturing clothes we do in Palm Bay somewhere, you know, but the, the chance of that kid staying in there, I mean, it makes it a little bit harder for the internships, but honestly, any internship out of Bayside High School.
2:18:33 Yeah, I was gonna say, it’s gonna be, it’s gonna be hard to get to, especially if they don’t have their own car, you know? ‘cause Well, I, they kind, they kind of have to their own transportation just because like I said, Bayside, there’s, but if we, it takes a while. But the other thing I would say is we also wanna have a balance among the schools so that.
2:18:49 If a kid of Bayside, they really are into construction, but there’s not construction at Bayside. I don’t remember if they have that one or not, but there’s something similar that’s transferrable skills. They can get something that’s close. Yep. So that when they get into, so we need to have that balance so that kids not having to go to another school, to another program if they don’t have transportation to get something that’s in close to their field.
2:19:09 Mm-hmm. You know? Well that leads to longer term conversation of trade schools. So they can stay at Bayside, they can stay at OG Galley, but you know, they half a day there, then they go to the trade school or the co-op or you know, that could take care of that. The other thing that you can do with Bayside is, um, Kirby Street’s a big manufacturing center in, in Palm Bay.
2:19:31 There’s not a problem busing the kids just like you would do enroll. There’s just ways to do it. Like, I’m not saying to, I, I argued with Janice Schultz when she put that program there. ‘cause it came in before I came on the board and I was trying to get her, I say ‘cause we create programs for schools with the idea that it’ll attract kids to that school to do it, but it never does.
2:19:50 It just ends up being what’s produced at that school. And then because they don’t have the immediate industry board to support with internships, money, experiences and all that, it kind of starts going so we can set up a system where they transport to those, you know what I mean? Which is okay because Kirby Street has all the manufacturers that are over there and stuff like that.
2:20:07 So there’s all kinds of alignment that we’ve created all these great opportunities and now it’s at the next level. Mm-hmm. To just don’t get there. Um, the, uh, e s f staffing substitutes, that’s already, I don’t know if know what happened. Like I tried to make it like mandatory. So to make all the people go at least give a day.
2:20:23 I thought it was a good idea, but I don’t know. Some people did not We’re actually gonna do that next year. I didn’t know it was, I honestly didn’t even know it was something that we were doing. Okay. Um, we did it in Indian River, it’s called Classroom Connect. So everybody at the district office that has a teaching license that’s in a director position on up have to go teach at least one day during the year.
2:20:44 And when we did it there, and that’s, I’m gonna do it here, is you don’t go sub. You go teach. So you’re gonna have to meet with the instructor ahead of time, develop a lesson plan, teach the whole day, stretch yourself, teach something that you don’t, um, you’re not certified to teach or, or a different grade level or something.
2:21:01 Like, I taught first grade a couple times and that was not what I was certified in. I don’t know how elementary school teachers do it. I was totally exhausted by lunchtime. Totally exhausted. I don’t do kindergarten. Yeah. But, um, see, I like the little ones. Gimme little ones. Yeah. So I mean, uh, the district staff doesn’t know this yet, but it’s recorded, so they’ll find out about it at some point.
2:21:20 But yeah, we, we did it several years and in your river, and we’ll do it now. I mean, but not just substitute. Like you don’t go as a sub, you go as a teacher. Now I get, if we’re short substitutes, we should go out. Go out and help. I get that. But I’m just saying like the district level staff that’s director on up is gonna and has a teaching certificate, so, okay.
2:21:39 That part’s important. So to clarify, we’re not talking about pulling the bookkeepers out of finance office. No, no. And like Sue Hand does not have, I already told Sue about it, and she’s, and I said, you don’t have to go. She has subbed. She did. She told me that. They, they, they did something like this last year or a year, year ago.
2:21:54 I was, I was a little aggressive. I was saying the bookkeepers should go work with the bookkeepers, everybody. Oh, I see. He was gonna close the SF for a couple days and send everybody else. My, my idea, Dr. Reno, my idea was, is that there are people who want to stay in their cubicle, but that’s dangerous for our school district because what happens is, is they’re not connected to the schools.
2:22:12 And I feel like when you have that feeling inside the school, it’s d that that was all, yeah, no, that’s a totally different approach. I get that. Yeah. Well we may still do something like that. Then. Lobbyist registration, um, we like carrots and not sticks. He was bringing the carrot. I just, I mean, a stick. I grew up with sticks, so that’s just how I, the lobbyist registration.
2:22:30 They have it over at the county. Stuff like that just kind of brings transparency to some of the stuff that goes on. Um, it’s been a thing that Miami-Dade many of other districts have. It’s just a person that wants to speak to anybody at the school district would have to register themselves before they do so, or a school board if they’re selling something or wouldn’t get a commission on the sale because they, like right now we’re getting ready to go to F S B A.
2:22:52 Oh, there’ll be 20 of ‘em trying to hit you up and get phone numbers and all that stuff. And we can just say, Hey, you need to register as a lobbyist before we talk to us. It gives, it, it, it just cleans it all up. Yep. So, um, and then the meeting advertisements in the county, we found out it would be more money.
2:23:05 Yeah. And then what we’re paying, which is disappointing. I really was hoping that they were gonna be competitive so that it would be an option for, for the local governments to use. But hopefully maybe they’ll get there. Um, it is what it is. Um, you know, advertisements to increase revenue and partnerships with the county.
2:23:22 Uh, I’m trying to remember. I don’t remember what, oh, maybe this had to do with, um, well this actually came up under Russell’s presentation after the fact, but when we, we talked about the fact that schools are being charged to have the banners put around there. Maybe that was Oh, that’s it. That it, we got a list of all the things that that pays for.
2:23:42 Yeah. So, um, but again, just trying to make sure, ‘cause that it was b what was that company B B two. Yep. Um, that being a forced wait, they were forced to go through that, even if they were people that they had signed up originally and had, you know, advertised with that school for the last 10 years. Now all of a sudden this company came on and the company was taking account clarified.
2:24:01 They’re not forced. They can’t do their own, but they have to do all the work. They have to do all the list. No, there was, but I don’t think any of them are, I think they’re all going through that company. We’re gonna, yeah. I think there was, there was a principal’s meeting where we were all kind of encouraged to use, strongly k12, strongly encouraged, like, this is who we go through, through the district and.
2:24:17 And, but it wasn’t mandatory. But this is who we, you know, suggest and all that kind of thing. That way it’s uniform across the district. The size of the banners are the same, the quality of the banners are the same. You don’t have to do the legwork. This guy can do all the legwork for you. But the issue is you don’t get all the money, you know, if the school itself doesn’t get all the Right.
2:24:35 So, so there is, so there’s still a lot of stuff on, there’s a lot of components to those public records requests and stuff that we did. I’ll be bringing those back to you guys and we’re still working through some of it. Um, volunteerism, like we talked about just getting the people back into schools.
2:24:49 Student attraction plan is let’s go after those. I mean, you and I talked about that. Um, but what it is, is attracting the kids from the private schools and home schools and everybody else to come. Like homeschool kids can come do R O T C, they can do c t E. But Matt, back to that volunteer registration program.
2:25:04 Yep. We emphasizing even at like registration days Yep. That they set up a table and here’s a table that we’re gonna talk about getting parents back onto the campuses. Mm-hmm. Through volunteering. Yep. Not just working in the library. No. Every, every school really should have a volunteer table and registration with packets ready to hand out to parents.
2:25:23 Like, here’s, or links to send them or whatever. We should be going into churches and everybody else saying volunteering for school and volunteering. Well, I really think part of it is that, that you have to have identified what they can do. Mm-hmm. When they sign up to volunteer. And as a person who spent most of my career in secondary schools, we’re not good at that.
2:25:40 Like the middle schools and high schools won’t. You know, mom or dad come, they register the kid and they say, how can I help ‘em? We’re like, I don’t know, because are you, you sign, here’s a list. Yeah. And you never get an email. Correct. Correct. And so phone, so you, we do, we need to encourage the school, unless you’re like a band or orchestra park, they’re asking all the time.
2:25:57 Yeah. You’re not in that. And that’s funny because I did talk to a parent the other day, it said, you don’t do it the way elementary does it, but if your kid is in any kind of activity right, then you must end up volunteering all more than you did at elementary school. Right. ‘cause if you’re on the band booster club, um, yeah.
2:26:11 You’re band booster parent, or you’re football parent, or, I have two concessions a year. Yeah. Soccer, I did a lot of concession stands. And so, um, but I think it is a matter of we are now able to welcome volunteers back on campus. Yeah. Mm-hmm. And there was a time where we, we weren’t able to, and I think we kind of forgot that we have this resource, so we, because even the elementaries did it, not every school I, my I, my kids went to W M S S, so we, we had to do the, so they were a little more proactive about getting the volunteers on.
2:26:40 But like, I would come into a classroom one day a week and work with small groups to listen to kids read. But some people, that wasn’t their thing. So they would laminate. Right. They did. You know, it’s, there’s, but having lots of, well, I think to have some jobs ready to go, identified to say, Hey, if you wanna help, here’s how you can help.
2:26:55 And that way someone can say, I, I don’t want to lead a small group of reading. Right. But I’m willing to come and make posters and stuff like that. Well, and this might be a good way, just thinking kind of outside the box on like, how are we gonna recruit some of them in? So, um, It. What if we were to offset, like say field trip expenses.
2:27:12 If your parents volunteer X, Y, Z number of hours, you don’t have to pay for the field trip this year. Give them like, could we give an incentive based, something like that? Because some parents may not have the extra money to send their kid to see where, when the, the class is going, but they could give up 15 hours or 20 hours of, of their time to come to the school and serve.
2:27:29 I think you do that. I think you also give awards for the most volunteers. You do. You do. Well, they clock in and clock out. When they volunteers. They already volunteer, so they already track it. I mean there’s just, there’s a lot that I think when you get in there, health First, who has a great volunteer network so that they would work with us on how they do theirs.
2:27:46 Um, and so did the zoo. She came forward and they have ways that they set up those volunteer programs, like you said. Like they come in and they say, okay, what can I do? And there’s a list, a checklist. Mm-hmm. And this is the person you check into. Like that process is really good. Yeah. I think the schools just have to be ready to welcome everybody back and have a list.
2:28:03 Now some of our schools are probably really good at it already. Yeah. You know, so maybe we learn from them. Some schools are forced to be really good at it. Yeah. Yeah. And then, um, that student attraction plan, like we said, it’s just getting in there and attracting the students to do whatever we can inside of schools, sports, c t e, if they’re homeschooling, you know what I mean?
2:28:19 Well, some of the, we, we need to go back to do some of the things. We, we, we haven’t had a Choice Fair in three years. Yeah. And we didn’t do it ‘cause of Covid, but now we can do a Choice Fair again. And we we’re not doing a choice. Why are, why, why are we not doing a choice Fair. I mean, families need to know what all the options that are available to them, you know, so we have to go back to doing choice fairs Yeah.
2:28:38 And stuff like that. Part of I, the discussion we had around that was we always do it at the era. And every time we think about doing stuff like that, we need to think about the possibility of doing it regionally. Because one thing, you know, travel people from Palm Bay don’t like to go north to Palm Bay Road.
2:28:56 You know, people taught like go south of five 20 probably. Yep. So, you know, there’s that. And then the other thing is, if I live in Palm Bay, chances of me sending my kid to a. Yeah. A choice program in the north are nil. So, you know, slides, uh, regional. Yeah. And this school’s in the middle probably have to go to both.
2:29:14 Yeah. I think regional for sure is a way to do it. Um, yeah. Just to make it more accessible, you know, maybe do a K through eight choice fair or, but it have to be at a neutral site because you can’t have it at the host, you know, at the school that’s gonna recruit. Yeah, that’s right. It’s true. Yeah. Although there are some programs they need to see, you know, there are some things they need to see.
2:29:33 Yeah, no, I agree. But you could do a choice fair on this day and then you can have open houses at the schools like two or three days later. Yeah. I will tell you the high school, because I’ve had, um, incoming freshman the last few years, the schools doing their own. They, they’ve done a better job over the last few years doing their own.
2:29:50 Oh. Because we have to highlight night. Right. So, hey, because there’s an question. I got a mailer for all three schools Yeah. In my area. And actually four or five I think probably for my, my son who was in eighth grade this year. Like, Hey, come see our this night. Yeah. Either got a flyer or a mailer or an email or whatever.
2:30:07 Well, we actually have already ta talked in cabinet a little bit about, ‘cause we’re going through all the bills that were passed and the HP one, you know, families can come basically for part-time classes, you know, stuff like that. Mm-hmm. And that’s actually another bill. But anyway, so we wanna market all we have to our homeschool and private school students because we can kind actually gain FTE for them now.
2:30:28 Yeah. If they’re, even if they come on on campus, they’re just one class. Yeah. So, so we’re, we’re, and they’ve always been able to do a little bit, but it’s just sometimes. Schools, certain schools are making that hard. You’re right. You know, like, almost like looking like this. Oh, it’s a bother. I’m like, no, let ‘em come on.
2:30:44 I mean, if they’re causing a problem, I’ll, I’ll give you an example. Yeah. But we had a kid come on to, I can’t wanna, I can’t remember which school it was, but they were coming on campus and the parent would drop ‘em off and then they would like not show up for a couple hours and they were only supposed to go to pe, you know, and they’re wandering around, we’re not your kid’s babysitter, you know, pick them up.
2:31:02 Right. So, I mean, there has to be some parameters, right? But if we can get, grab a piece oft for them, we’ll grab a piece oft, so yeah. No, like R O T C, like Mr. Season said, that’s one of the more popular ones is a homeschool kid or even a private school kid will now be able to go take r o tc. You did the Space Force Academy.
2:31:20 Like how cool is that? Only 10 schools in the entire country have this program. And we have one of the, and they’re, now, they’re competitive. Some of those programs are competitive, but there’s only a limited number of spots, so they’ll have to go in with everybody else. Um, but, but like you’re a hundred percent right?
2:31:34 There are some principles that try to, um, ‘cause they’re busy or whatever it is. Like even with sports, like every year at the beginning of the year, oh yeah. I get 15 emails from parents that are homeschool parents that are trying to apply to play sports and they’re hitting barriers. Yeah. And I think that, um, but you’re right.
2:31:50 Like. All the way across. We even talked ‘cause I was very big in the homeschool community and I still am about creating, you know, there’s a lot of ‘em that come in and they say they want to have the same values as other kids. You could even wrap around an entire class of kids that come from a specific church area or some, or a specific homeschool, you know what I mean?
2:32:06 Like homeschool are inside of coalitions. Yeah. You could have a coalition come to school and provide classes for those coalition kids so that they all stay tight together. Yeah. There’s a lot of cool stuff we can do, you know? Yeah. Anyways, that’s what that was. And then, uh, evaluation of PSS jobs. It’s just where we were talking about some of the jobs that are requiring admin and requiring master’s programs and all that stuff.
2:32:28 And we have people who are coming up through the ranks, spend their 30 years, can’t take the job and may end up training the same person like five times. Yeah. You know what I mean? Person gets it, stays there for three or four years, then retires, then they can train ‘em again. Yeah. There’s at least one job description we’re reviewing right now to see if it really needs a degree.
2:32:43 That’s all it probably needs to be looked at really for every job description. As much as I know that, that’s a huge undertaking, but it, it really does because if we have barriers that are in the way that are enabling us to be able to, to hire somebody that, you know, we, we need to have a lot to us making those changes.
2:32:57 And, and Carol pointed out that, um, several of ‘em have that the years of experience. Experience can, can, and then, uh, R O T C we’re already doing and then the employee awards. It’s just kind of that thing where we were talking about, um, where, you know, the employee awards that we do every year is at the end of the year is like that big thing.
2:33:16 We used to do those regional awards area for Yeah. We used to. Yeah. And it kind of was tighter. People more attended that from the public rather than in a, and, and that’s where we were talking about is maybe getting back to some of those area awards that are at one of the high schools you had. ‘cause I got Area four excellence award.
2:33:34 Mm-hmm. I went and I thought I was the coolest teacher in the world. Right. We’re on area four. Yeah. So like, so the thing is, is that you have like, All of these things that, you know, might be, uh, help with the overall, you know what I mean? Culture, it’s funny ‘cause there, there, it’s a common thread that keeps being said.
2:33:49 I’ve heard it a couple times dropped on different topics, but just the, uh, the area specific and I’m like, I think when it went to everything going to a district and we got away from areas, ‘cause our areas are very different. All of them are, I mean, Coco Beach is not like Titusville or Palm May or ra. So, um, that might be a model that’s worth entertaining looking at again because it was so successful and it definitely gave it a more personal feel, uh, and everyone was engaged in their specific community.
2:34:14 So might be something to look at. And then also the um, the retirees that have a certain number of years in maybe some bricks. You know what I mean? I love that idea because they really are the foundation of what our school system is. And they should be. There’s some, there should be something there that honors them, knows we need less area to mow.
2:34:30 Right. So, oh, you’re talking about pavers? Okay. We’re gonna end up papers. Let’s go. Yeah. Well we did. So that was the thing when we did the track at um, at Cogo Beach, we were gonna sell pavers. ‘cause there’s a paved area. Yeah. There. And uh, the pavers there still have to be the ones that have to be maintained and, and they wear after a while and stuff.
2:34:50 So instead we did a wall that has bricks with the, you know, there you go. Engraved bricks and mm-hmm. The wall is a huge hit. Yeah. They’ve already started taking donations for the second wall. ‘cause the wall was such a huge hit. So I imagine we could do something at E S F or somewhere with a wall instead of not worry about weed.
2:35:09 Well, it’s much easier to maintain. This is a great visual for our schools too, that are fundraising for different, different facilities, projects like that. If they were to take the bricks that signify a thousand dollars and they need to raise 80 of ‘em or whatever the case is, and they put those bricks somewhere, that’s visual for people to be able to see them being moved from the need to, these ones have been sponsored.
2:35:28 This is how far we are from our project. Yeah. Um, that’s it mo it, it definitely, it works in the church planning world really well. So it was their church. That’s church planning, but it worked really well. Uh, the visual’s a constant reminder to people. So we did that at Sun or, um, vie high. We raised like a hundred thousand.
2:35:46 Yeah. Lemme use the restroom here out. Okay. Oh, I think that’s it. Um, I have one discussion topic that I don’t, I, I or anybody wants to add anything to it. Are we staying on this? Okay. I don’t know if we’re spending Okay. I’m good. Well then I, we’re done. So, okay. Well, I just, before we get off of this, I think, you know, now that we have a superintendent in place, I just remind us, one of things we just went through is there was sometimes we get these conversations, we get excited and it’s like we can, we had do, hey, invited a kindergarten tutor, but we need, remember that the c we say, hey, yeah, K three reading is so important.
2:36:18 And then his job is with his team to formulate the plan and come back with this and go, if this is what you guys wanna do, here’s what it’s gonna take. Yep. You could approve the budget, you approve the personnel. But you know, we need to be careful not to get in the weeds of that, because that’s really his job to get Yeah.
2:36:34 The takeaway is, you guys gimme direction and I come back with a plan and say, this is what we want to do. Is, is this what you were wanting? Mm-hmm. And this, and if it is, this is how much it’s gonna cost. Yep. Okay. We’re the what? You’re the how. Right. I mean, that’s another S b A take up. That was great.
2:36:50 Bring it up. Look Mr. F S B A over there listening.
2:36:58 But yeah, but you brought it up and then it made sense, so it’s good. All right. Good. Well, I go for it. So am I okay to, to go with the discussion topic or we, or do you wanna continue on this? Do you have anything? I don’t think we’re adding to the list at the time. I’m like, the list is, because he’s got a long list.
2:37:12 I can’t see anything on here. You have some things wanted to add. I have a few things to talk about yet, you know, priorities or things to talk about after all this, I think. Oh, okay. Okay. I’m just bringing this up as a discussion topic because I, I think it’s gonna need to be a, an agenda item that’s gonna be added later.
2:37:29 Um, the book review policy and the book committee, um, I, I wanted to talk with the board really about what took place this last week over that committee review. Uh, the amount of time that it took, the expectations of those members, the crowd, uh, participation, some things that happened there after I, I went back and looked at it, I thought, this is, it’s not being handled correctly.
2:37:51 And I wanna, I want clarification, Paul, um, from you. So statutorily, the board is responsible for all curriculum, including media content. Uh, meaning if a book is challenged and that book violates the law, the way our policy is written right now, the board doesn’t have the ability to pull it immediately, or do we have the ability to pull it immediately?
2:38:10 They’re already being pulled once they’re challenged. Right. Okay. But I mean, like, to make the decision to not have to put it through committee in an point. Take that if they want. We have, right. We have to follow our policy. Right. So, and, and here’s my thought process. Okay. This is what I’m thinking and follow me down the rabbit trail real fast.
2:38:26 But hypothetically speaking, a book is formally challenged. It violates the law. Okay. Uh, the book goes to committee. The committee says we want that book to stay on our shelves. The board now, That’s the policy. The book would stay on the shelves and we followed the policy fully and the board is liable. Do you see what I’m saying?
2:38:46 So like there needs to be a way for, but you, there’s a big thing that you said that you just said it so quickly, but it’s is it violates the law. That’s going be the, that’s gonna be the debate. Where’s that trigger in there? Right. So that’s what I’m saying as far as, I think this needs to be discussed as far as going back to policy making, because the threshold of the law being followed, like that doesn’t need to go to committee.
2:39:09 ‘cause if it violates the law, it violates the law. It doesn’t need to go to committee. Right. That’s my thought process. But the policy’s not written in a way right now that allows for the board to have kind of the, hey, this one is a no go because of whatever it’s, that’s in it. Is is that law that simple to say this one violates it and this this one doesn’t.
2:39:31 No. Law is simple. That’s what I’m saying. Then who is interpretation arbiter of that? That was gonna be my question is does the board wanna take on, hey, we need to read this for these 20 books so that we can decide as a threshold issue whether it is a violation of law. So what I was thinking, and this could be totally wrong and I would love you guys to speak on, is that maybe, maybe the board is the first stop.
2:39:56 And then if the board feels like this needs to go to committee, uh, we can’t really come to consensus. We don’t have time to read it, send this book to committee to let additional people weigh in on this. I, I don’t know. So the first stop right now is it goes back to the principal and media specialist, which, which I think you need to, that’s the informal, right?
2:40:14 The informal, that’s first stop because they need the opportunity’s piece. That’s changing. Don’t forget the law did change. Yeah. How did that change? Because we see here it’s changing, but I, I, I haven’t looked that up. I haven’t got it summarized yet. Okay. I’m going F S B A A this week. So we’ll go over all the new legislation.
2:40:28 It’s the legislative update. So we’ll get into the weeds on that a little bit. Okay. And, uh, come back and there are some boards who have decided rather than the committee, they’re doing it themselves. Right. But I, my caution, and then this one thing we have to also follow before we make any changes is Escambia is getting saved right now.
2:40:45 Right now because they did a more arbitrary or, um, we’re gonna move all these without, they didn’t, I don’t know if they didn’t go by their policy. It wasn’t their policy that was found. I don’t remember all the details of the story, but they’re being sued because of the way they did it. So we, we and publisher’s involved in that one too, which is upsetting that a publisher is suing them.
2:41:06 ‘cause to my mind, if that publisher’s publishing stuff and they’re suing one of our school districts, I’ll just ban those books too. So we’re not banning the book. We’re simply saying it’s not appropriate for the age in which it’s set, but our guardrails are staying with our policies. So. Right. And so that’s what I’m just trying to, I the policy’s gonna have to undergo rulemaking again.
2:41:25 Yes. It’s gonna be where the board wants to come down on it. You have several options. You could always make the committee a recommendation and then the ultimate decision comes back to the board. Are we going to accept the recommendation or are we gonna another recommendation? And maybe that’s what needs to happen.
2:41:40 Yeah. Um, because I don’t think that’s written right now the way that it is. So the committee’s the last stock right now. Yeah. And then I guess my other concern that I have too is, S books that are pulled that don’t go through the formal process then are subject to come back in in theory. I mean, there’s nothing that said that that book’s not eligible to be in our schools ‘cause it hasn’t gone through it.
2:41:59 So there needs to be something written in that policy. And I don’t remember the graphic one that had the pictures and the whatever, but you know, which book was it? Gender. Gender, career. Okay. I’m gonna use that one as an example. There’s nothing stopping that book from coming back into our schools right now because it has not gone through the policy.
2:42:14 It has not been formally removed. It has just been taken off the shelves at the principal or media specialist discretion, which was the right choice. But, um, so we, and it should have been one thing we did when we made that revision the last time was it should be noted and may maybe in it should be a do not buy list period.
2:42:31 It goes on some notification to all the schools that this is goal. So every school Okay. Review. So, and we’re gonna list my, I guess what I would say is that I think that this needs to be a conversation that needs to be had so that we can form a policy that makes sense and covers really all bases right now.
2:42:47 I kind of feel like we’re hanging out there with some folks that could potentially come back in that could get us in trouble legally speaking. Well, who’s ultimately responsible? I mean, a committee makes a decision that could affect, I mean, us being responsible, right? I mean they’re, they’re making a decision, but if they purposely they vote, board is the end of the road.
2:43:06 So you guys are the one holding. So the recommendation makes a heck of a lot more sense than this is on, this is on the shelves for eight years and now board you’re responsible for it. So when we come back to this only thing, the only thing about that, push back this a little bit and either there’s one book that got through before we change the committee that I probably wouldn’t be on the committee I probably wouldn’t have put through.
2:43:25 Um, and it put was put through with restrictions, but still there for eight years. The pushback is to ask these people. Volunteers that we have asked to do a pretty big job. One, not not just reading, but to read these type of books. Mm-hmm. To invest this amount of time to sit there in those meetings where they are being, I mean I just, all of their main, I’m gonna be bringing that back up.
2:43:45 I mean, I’m not talking about, and then to say, you guys, but you’re just gonna re make a recommendation. You’re gonna do all this work, you’re gonna get all this stuff, but then it’s gonna come back to us and we could totally overrule you. Absolutely. And, and we’re gonna have our own debate when they just had the debate and we’re gonna have public comment time in here when they had the public comment time there.
2:44:02 I don’t, I’m not a big fan of wasting people’s time. Amen. Mm-hmm. And so if we’re gonna select them, people that we’ve each individually trusted and had conversation, I’m assuming you’ve had conversations with yours. I’ve certainly had conversations with mine, what my expectations were, what my standards were.
2:44:15 Um, and ask them, you, you represent me. Um, and make that clear. I, I don’t, to me, if I were serving, if I was on the committee and I was gonna do all this work and then it went to the board and the board voted it differently, then to me, you just wasted my, why am I gonna do this? Y’all just do it yourself.
2:44:33 Well you were there for the recommendation because you’re not responsible if it goes wrong. Well, and that’s the responsible for it can interject real fast. Question. Is there legal protection for that committee? If somebody were to sue those members on that committee for their choice, would they fall under the governmental entity and have protection?
2:44:51 The end of the line should be the school board. It’s the school board. Yeah. The school board should be the named entity. My recommendation, if somebody got sued on, or the committee individually got sued, would we represent them just like we do with individual board members or employees and then we move to pull them out for qualified immunity.
2:45:08 ‘cause they’re volunteering. I know Florida statute has volunteer protection laws. Yeah. If you’re volunteering for nonprofits and government entities, you are protected under those laws. Okay. I’d have to double crosscheck that with federal statutes to make sure they’re there. That whole thing is propagated by.
2:45:22 So, uh, as long as those laws are out there, they would be insulated by law. Okay. But I would still always recommend the court. Provide that representation and indemnification. Was there a threat? I haven’t never to watch the meeting. There was, there’s been some on online. There have been. Um, and so the threats of lawsuit mm-hmm.
2:45:37 Assuming individuals mean, but here’s the thing, I I, if there’s something we can do to help the people in the community, I, I’m, you know, there, it’s public, whatever we’ve made it, it’s recorded. They people come back and watch it and all that kinda stuff. I honestly, I’m not a big fan of the public comment time in that.
2:45:56 Thank you. I don’t think the public comment time should be available. I’m not really sure who set those standards. If they’re the final decision maker, they, the public has a right to speak on any topic because they fall understand to the school board. The school board has made that decision to the committee.
2:46:11 Okay. So when we make these changes, we can take care of that because they should not be going through that abuse. And if you tweak it so that the board is the last stop and their recommendation, then you’re open for public comment. And I think that that’s fair. Give it to the board. Right. Because the people that are on that committee are volunteering and the amount of time, the other part that was brought to my attention was they were able to speak for three minutes on each specific book.
2:46:33 Right. So that ended up taking hours, I think, I wanna say couple, it was five and a half hours. Yeah. The, the meeting itself was, yeah, the meeting was long, but this probably, there was only a like 10 people. But if each of ‘em get three minutes on three books, then that’s five minutes. Yeah. Or you know, normally you’re probably only gonna have one book on a meeting.
2:46:51 So, okay. But there was three. So that’s, and again, well, except for, because of the sub, she think she’s got a few schedule. Yeah. One instead of the next meeting. Think she’s got a few schedule for August because they’re smaller, like shorter poems and stuff like that. So they, so would the board be willing to, I guess we would need to, to move this to an agenda item to bring this policy back forward to tweak.
2:47:11 It may be coming back anyway. Right. We have to revise the process anyway. We have to, and part of that legislation deals with committees. Okay. No, now the makeup is statute. We don’t wanna change it. We’re gonna have to just turn around, change.
2:47:24 Now that, now that will be making a recommendation as well. So then should, should we be going through books currently while it’s going to change the policy making? Again, I don’t, I don’t need to say. Well, here’s the question to that is that now we have 200 or whatever under informal review probably got like 350 and then we have how many that are in the formal review process.
2:47:47 Right? 40 probably total. You’ve got about probably 350 total books. There’s only like 40 something those three gotten. So here’s, so here’s what I would suggest. I would suggest, because this just is like a ongoing thing that we just keep dredging through, keeps coming up, right? We have the ability to nominate a couple more committees to get through the books.
2:48:08 Yeah. Well I don’t know how you guys feel about that, but we could get 40 books done in a month and then we’re done and we don’t have to continue to go down this road. I don’t know if I wanna do like a whole bunch of committees. No. Now I don’t know if you’re gonna find any volunteers for this. People don’t wanna burn down our house.
2:48:24 We’re playing into their hands. No, I’m just saying that it because, well, we wrote that there on purpose because we were trying to move a little faster. You have but But you also have one person that now has to review 40 books. And I understand that they’re a hundred percent behind it, but it’s just literally like if they just keep going, you have one person that’s gonna be reviewing ‘em all.
2:48:42 If we had a couple more committees, then we could have ‘em go through. That’s not reaction to Yeah. People who are coming in being negative, it’s gonna give them more opportunity to go to more meetings. It, it’s just, we get, for us to sit there and say, we’re gonna read the cupcake Bible and it’s gonna take time to do it.
2:48:55 That’s got, it’s not formal, but it’s not gonna qualify to go to formal. That’s the thing. They have to pull the text outta the book and and give reason why that that would be a challenge. So then we really don’t have that many that’s going, so here, here’s, right now there’s only like 40 informal. Right.
2:49:09 The others were informal. It’s just taxing on our staff to have to go find where these, I though Friday, Friday was the first time. Mm-hmm. For it to go through this process under the new policy. And the first time is going to cause a lot of headache. And once we get into a groove, I’m an optimist that I think that the next meeting will probably not be as rough.
2:49:28 I think people just wanted to get, I haven’t watched it yet, but wanted to get out. You should watch it. Yeah, I’m going, I’m planning on it and planning to listen to it on the way home today. Well, I drive to and then, you know, Tennessee or something in ies. I’m gonna Tampa tomorrow, so let the rest beer. Um, but I think that first time it’s gonna be, was gonna be rough.
2:49:47 Um, and so, so in those pub in the public comment, I know you gotta do, is that where you’re going about else? Well that’s, I guess that’s where to, to shield them from is the abuse of the public comment that should be directed to towards the board. But because we’ve shifted it to the committee. Yeah. The committee’s taking the beating there.
2:50:03 It needs to come back to the board. And is it like a special meeting where they have to speak to the topic? That’s what wasn’t happening. It was personal attacks for the people that have put forth that sit on that, that committee. It’s a special meeting. It should, it should be half draft The book.
2:50:19 Supposed about the book. So, I mean, so it wasn’t happening. So again, who’s who in that committee? I didn’t, the policy’s not from It’s who’s running that? Needy Ms. Sullivan. Does it say it’s the policy or was it selected? The chairman? Yeah. Ms. Flack is the person that’s running the meeting. And it says that in the, in the, in the, in the, she’s the chairman in the po.
2:50:37 There is a chairman in the policy. She’s a non-voting chairman. Chairman, yeah. She’s non-voting. She just runs the meeting. That’s a lot to ask of her, but I think if we can give some direction of, you know, if people, you know, the It’s a special meeting. Yeah. Not to be talk this. So if I understand Paul correctly, if we change the policy to where the board is the final voting authority.
2:50:59 And the committee can meet and discuss and make a recommendation. They’re not gonna be subject to public comment. Right. They won’t have public comment. It’ll be open to the public. Yeah. Come watch. Right. But they won’t have to hear the public comment. They don’t have to open for public comment. The board would be subject to that when it’s time to make the, the meeting to make that decision.
2:51:16 Right. So I think that’s one of the things, you know, majority board can when we change the, because we have to revise the process anyway. Yeah. So, yeah. I don’t know if we can wait. Well, what’s the fastest way that can be done though? And I know that this is, you know, I know no one wants to go through this policy over and over and over again, but like, I don’t wanna subject those people that have volunteered their time on that committee to another, you know, hour and a half, two hours of verbal assaults from people over doing something they volunteered to do to try to help.
2:51:44 So, as much as, I hate to say, let’s, can we, can we fast track that to make the board have this end all sale on it? They, the committee gives the recommendation that way the public comments come to us and they’re not steered directly at those volunteers. We gotta start that process. Yeah. And I think, and we need to, I know I hurry up and slow down, but we need to not make the final decision.
2:52:10 Not the final final. But no, out of an impromptu conversation today. Let’s think about it. I, I, I actually talked to somebody on the committee, your representative, um, but not about that specific. It’d probably be good to go back to our representatives and say, I did, I went back to mine. You did. What do you think?
2:52:25 How’d it go? What would, what would make it easier? Um, not, not just easier. ‘cause it’s a top job either way. It is, uh, I’m, I am. You know, I could, I can see the benefits of us making the final call because like I said, I, I, I don’t like the public comments, but if we have to have it, if they are taking a vote of that kind final say, but at the same time, I, we, and board members need to be cognizant of what we, in what we entru them to do.
2:52:50 Doesn’t mean we can’t override them, but we need to be careful. Well, I and I, I, I don’t think the board’s intention would be to override them. My intention behind this is to shield those volunteers from a verbal assault for hours on end. Right. Um, we signed up for it. They did not, they’re helping. And so for me, I’m like, it needs to come back and fall on us.
2:53:06 So if people wanna get mad about it and they don’t like what’s happening, get mad at the board because these are just volunteers that are helping. Yeah. It’s just a committee. Can you imagine people heckling every committee in, in P B F I? So let me ask you this. Is there a way for us to have, so the informal process is where the school-based group reviews it and says yes or no.
2:53:26 Right? Is there a way for us to get, for, as a school board a list, look through ‘em? Yeah. And, and do that ahead of all of that. Does that make sense to you? Because it’s not, um, not so much us, but there’s a, we can set a standard that either it is or it doesn’t violate the law, and then it can get triggered based on that.
2:53:45 Because some of ‘em, it’s clear, right? And the school normally says that, but there’s some that come in that it’s clear and they just push it to the committee. So if there’s a way to avoid 40, I’m just, what I’m trying to do is reduce the amount that are actually coming before the board committee. I don’t know if we can do that, because that’s by, that’s by the public being able to submit that.
2:54:03 But it’s, but it’s, if it violates the law, then we shouldn’t be reviewing it anyway. ‘cause we’re held accountable. But that is, that’s what we’ve talked about. Or who are the five of you going to read every one of these books to make that? Because right now it’s, well, the book, yeah. Is that what it says? Of law and it has to satisfy A, B, C, and D.
2:54:23 Right. So if it doesn’t satisfy A, B, and C and D, it’s not a violation of statute. It may not be something you want in your library, but it’s not a violation. Yeah. We’re removing books that just. That, that they’re not only violating law, but we just say we don’t want that in our library. Right. So Yeah, because I think that was a mix up at that meeting too.
2:54:43 They’re like, oh no, we want Gibbs in there because you’re, you’re gonna remove a book and, and it doesn’t violate the law. Well, I, you get three votes. You could remove a book because you don’t like the cover of the book. We’re not removing books just because it violates the law. So, but what you’re saying is, I I, because I think there was, because there was somebody that called me about that.
2:55:03 Yeah. That was, was the responsibility. Because here in the law, here’s what breaking the law, like if we, if somebody’s gonna sue, they’re gonna have a really, and I’ve had this conversation, Paul, we’re gonna have a really hard time proving that it, the three-pronged test, but to me it works the other way too.
2:55:15 Mm-hmm. If we’re gonna, they’re gonna have, if someone says, oh, you shouldn’t have removed that because it didn’t violate the law. Well, they’re gonna have to prove that. It doesn’t do, do, do, do. Yeah. You can’t prove it one way. You can’t prove it the other. So there, you know, the part of one of those parts of three-prong test is community standards.
2:55:30 And we have representatives, you know Yeah. We are representatives of the community and our representatives on the committee are mm-hmm. Are representative of the community. And so they, you know, they represent those community standards. So, you know, I, I don’t want anybody on the committee to get caught up in, oh my gosh, if this is it, can I, can I prove in a court of law that my decision, they don’t have to do that.
2:55:49 Right. I think a, because that is our responsibility, I think the members would get quite up in that. I think we could communicate that to our committee members. Correct. So, but then back to my pay and point, they, what happens if the committee turns something over? And I know what you’re, I hear what you’re saying, but it could happen to where the majority of the committee turns a book over that.
2:56:09 Definitely violates and, but it definitely violates, the reason why I keep pushing back on that is because that goes to court and people sometimes even can’t. So to say this definitely violates something that is not super clear. Well, the books that were just done, I mean, they were pictures, they were drawn out pictures that were, but they were, but they were, they were removed.
2:56:28 They were removed. They weren’t, but it wasn’t, it wasn’t unanimous. But what would’ve happened if they didn’t get removed? That’s what I’m saying. That’s where I’m kind of going down that trail and again, shielding our volunteers from taking a public assault of hours on end. I feel like it should come back to us as the board.
2:56:44 Not to them. No, I’m fine with that. So is there a way, or is the board in favor of moving to where they give a recommendation to the board? The board then takes the action. So the public comment comes to us, not to them. And I would say that Paul’s know in six days exactly what the state legislature is. So I’ve got that.
2:57:04 I mean, it deals with committee members and the bill itself, I ola will probably be August before they have Yeah. And I’m saying I want to do it now. Well, but here’s the thing. Even our, our, our, the, the policy, the way we first, we first added all this stuff in in 2019 and then we revised it, revised it. Ola didn’t have a template for that.
2:57:26 Yeah. And when we revised 25, 21 the last time they actually followed Neil’s recommendation. I’m like, where was all that work that we did on the committees and the formal, informal process? Like, oh, we gotta add that back in. ‘cause it was a, it was a regard specific process. Mm-hmm. ‘cause every county’s doing it differently.
2:57:40 I, I don’t know how many counties have a specifically laid out plan as what we have. And so even when we get olas, unless it’s, except for the specific legal’s appeal, legal process, now it’s like if the person that complains not happy, there’s a mechanism to go to the state and we have to pay for the special magistrate to hear the case and make a final decision.
2:58:01 That’s the new legislation. Mm-hmm. Right. Okay. Along with it automatically comes off the shelves when a. A formal requirements for committee members like have to have children in the school. There’s also some checks and balances that’s in the legislation. Sorry. Yeah. Mm-hmm. It’s okay. Now is it school aged children?
2:58:19 Children, or do they have be bs? I don’t remember. I think it said they could have graduated. You had to, I don’t remember off the top line. I know deals with the makeup or requirements for the committee members and there’s the appeal process. And Brooks have to, well, you’ll know after this weekend then pretty much we’re going over the media specialist also, this new training, there’s kind of a checks and balances thing on that side too.
2:58:40 They’re going to gonna be, gonna have to be more judicious in what they’re putting in, which should eventually. Right. But if they gotta catch up with what they, if it’s one person at library and they get, they order a book and then they get 20 in the box when that book comes in, they’re not reading those books.
2:58:54 Well, a good media specialist, and I say this from one of my friends who’s a good media specialist. Yeah. If it’s a controversial topic, she’ll read that one. Mm-hmm. You know, she, she reads, you know, probably a hundred books a year or more, you know, going through. And if it’s something that’s controversial, that’s should be one that they don’t rely on reviews for because, you know.
2:59:14 Yeah. Well, and I guess, I guess I’m gonna go back to, I’ve just, for the record, I would like to expedite that process, to take the burden of public comment off of that committee and put it on us as the board. Um, so whatever we need to do to do that as fast as possible, I would, I’m, I just want to, if we’re gonna bring something forward, I don’t want to bring it forward.
2:59:32 Well, if we need to start the process, you’re done by this weekend. But if we need to think, well, ‘cause you could advertise it now, and that’s, I’m, we need to get through Right. It, it’s 14 and 28 days. Right. So we can’t have our conversation next week, our first conversation next week. No. We can have a discussion again, and you guys can put it on first.
2:59:49 We just discussed it and discuss what changes you want and we can come in and talk to you about what you learned. Right. Would you be able to provide us with some more specific updates? Yeah. I mean, I don’t have the statute right here, so Yeah. I didn’t know it. Sorry, a surprise. Are we saying we wanna add that?
3:00:06 I know Tuesday’s agenda is my memory. There actually might be room on Tuesday’s agenda because um, we did have a discipline update on there and we were gonna have student services present their budget. But Mrs. Dampier just joined us yesterday. Yeah. And she would actually, we need a filler to uh, present those later because she wants to be able to speak from a position of authority when she speaks.
3:00:29 She doesn’t want to say when we ask questions. Well, I don’t know. I just got here. Well, I don’t know. I just got her. Well, I don’t know. I just got here. That makes sense. So she would, we were gonna move at least one of her presentations off. So could we ask for Paul to give us an update with more specifics of the new statute around?
3:00:46 Yeah, I mean, so I’m gonna get F S P A fads, FADS meeting too. I’m gonna get legislative update. It’s on the F S P A calendar, alleged topics, legislative update. So they’ll cover that a little bit. That’ll be the best guidance we get is from, from Paul’s group. I don’t think we have to necessarily wait for Ola is what I was trying to say earlier.
3:01:05 Yeah. Because I think our, our, our part of that policy is so specific. Yeah. That we can make the tweaks without waiting and Olas gonna have the, like requirements for the committee make up. They’re gonna have the mandatory process for going the special me entry. And you can always leave that until later and update for the appeal and recommendation process now and then just go right back in.
3:01:25 And that is what I, our in-house, we can update our in-house process. Is there a do o e rule making this little, having to happen on this too? Yeah. Okay. I mean, I, I would prefer that just, and just simply for the sake of our volunteers that are serving and they’re already giving up a workday on top of the time to read these books, and then now they’re getting assaulted by the public that’s coming in and saying things.
3:01:47 I don’t, that’s a very fair estimate. In the meantime, we can give direction to Ms. Slack to that. She has our, I think, see when the next meeting is to be, it’s at the agenda to be a tighter on those public comments. If people are not talking to this specific book Yeah. They should be cut off. Yeah. Right. And redirected.
3:02:06 Yes. Is there any way that I can go in there and run the chair, follow our policy, or we’re gonna get in trouble? So she she just needs some help. Yeah. I mean, we, you know, we might coach, we might put some more muscle in there to help her. I, I think so. It was, it was, yeah. I don’t know if she’s had experience in that.
3:02:23 It’s not her fault and Dr. Sullivan’s in there, but they’re, I mean, they’re gonna, it did matter. They’re trying to be really careful Yeah. To not overstep their bounds, but Well, there were people that were cursing from, from the microphone. Yeah. When you up from the microphone and nobody’s saying that to do that and nobody’s stopping it.
3:02:38 So it’s like those are, yeah, that’s fine. They are supposed to be following our posts in policy, which means they can only talk bad about us. Mm-hmm. Yeah. There’s that, just that brings us into another area. Okay. We have specific people that are literally on social media that are attacking our people. Like, not even, not even like remotely.
3:03:02 I don’t like this person. It is obscene. Um, and then those same people are coming and speaking at the meeting and stuff like that. What can we do to protect our people? Is there a cease and desist? Is there anything we can do? We put it in our policy. I mean, we can’t, we don’t regulate Facebook or TikTok or anything.
3:03:20 I mean, that’s, someone’s getting threatened. And we’ve had this conversation before, calling your local law enforcement and say, Hey, they’re, how about threats? How about as a, uh, as a committee? I mean, if we’re gonna be messing with the policy, I mean, when we appoint somebody to a, a, a committee, is there, is there any kind of ethics that they have to uphold them or their spouse?
3:03:44 They have to abide by b p s. Like, uh, because Yeah, but now you’re spouses are not governed, their spouses are not gonna be governed. So I don’t know. Well, then those people sign it or they don’t sign it. If they don’t sign that, then they don’t need to be a part of my committee. If I, if I B P S policies governs the committee operations, if I appoint John Smith to a committee, but John Smith’s wife is threatening somebody else on that committee, John Smith, either it gets it corrected or John Smith is off that committee.
3:04:13 I don’t know why it doesn’t stop John Smith’s wife for still threatening people on that committee though. Here’s but at least that guy, that person’s off the committee. ‘cause I mean, it is getting, that’s that’s, so what I was getting at is, is this, sorry. If they’re to make a formal complaint against somebody that’s threatening them, we’ve always made it to where they have to go do that through the municipality that they live in.
3:04:32 Right. They have to go to their local law enforce, enforce enforcement. But if we’re the governing agency, can our local law enforcement respond the same way that we look into, they’re, they’re probably gonna kick it to whoever’s governing law enforcement. They, whoever has jurisdiction over that individual who’s who their, he or the sheriff is gonna kick it.
3:04:50 The sheriff technically has countywide jurisdiction, so they may take it and then just forward the complaint to Melbourne PE if that’s who is the local jurisdiction. Okay. That’s more probably a major question than me. If we, if, would it have to be the person that’s being threatened or could it be somebody else that could make that, could a, if there are employee or our volunteer, I have no problem making that request.
3:05:16 It’s probably a major. Okay. Any major request. Because I, I would imagine an individual absurdly upset with some of the behavior I’m seeing from some, some of these people. And it just needs to end. And I’m just trying to find a way to protect our people. That’s the reason I was an advocate about pulling our staff off because I knew where this was going.
3:05:34 Mm-hmm. Yeah. And this is the same thing, like these people volunteer that time. Well, our volunteers are getting attacked. Yeah. So if we can pull the public comment off of ‘em, at least you’re, you’re never gonna reason with an unreasonable person. They’re gonna go on the internet, they’re gonna do the same stuff that they always do.
3:05:47 It’s their immaturity that does it. So like, unfortunately, until they grow up and they learn that, that’s not a productive way to actually have a conversation about something you disagree with. Um, that’s what the world that we live in. So the internet gives ‘em that soapbox to stand on. But I think if we can start the process now of taking them, I guess changing that policy to where they make the recommendation to the board, it comes before us and we ultimately decide and then that pulls the public comment off of them.
3:06:15 Yep. Is that a fair request? Is everybody in favor? Some, yeah. Yeah. I really think we can make sure there’s some, some muscle in there to help us. Yeah. I like that. Because that’s a lot to, it’ll leave you a little bit at least. Because honestly I’m like, I, the reality is all of our, our volunteers are gonna quit guys.
3:06:33 We’re not gonna be able to find anybody that’s gonna say, yeah. All under six hours of fun. It’s just protecting our people. Like, you know what I mean? Like, they’re our people. Like, like that’s, that’s where I get upset. Yeah. Alright. All. Sorry, that was my discussion. That whole anybody You brought that up.
3:06:48 Anybody? I know that we’re getting ready to break for lunch, but we did get to the bottom of the whole thing. So keep what? He has a couple things. I have some things to share. We’ll come back. We’ll come back. Yeah. Alright. Because we have to build time until our 1 31 lunch. Probably. Yeah. Mostly. Uh, I’ll break for lunch.
3:07:05 Alright, ready? So lunch until what you hear. What’s that when? ELL floor. Thank you. I just wanted to update everybody on some stuff that I was working on. So I don’t know if you remember back in the interview process, I held up this fancy folder. It’s not that fancy, but I said, you know, I had an action plan.
3:07:29 Five things I was gonna be working on if I was fortunate enough to be selected to be the superintendent. So I want give you an update on those different things. So I have been working on those things. Oh, sweet. Thank. Oh, is there more than one that there’s other 10. Thank you. You stapled together. He needed one.
3:07:49 So the five axle steps are there and the bullets, uh, first was relationship building, an academic progress check to see how we did this year. So foreign academics. Okay. Um, and organ organizational structured evaluation, strategic plan review and tiered support inventory. So the first one, relationship building is underway.
3:08:08 So Allison sent out a letter to all the principals and district global staff from director on up saying I wanted to meet with them, uh, try to spend some time with them, get to know what they think’s working for our district, what’s not working, what can work on that kind of thing. And so inside the organization that is happening and outside the organization, I’ve already been to a couple community events.
3:08:29 Um, last Thursday morning, on the first day on the job, started off with a, um, legislative delegation breakfast that was hosted by the chamber. So we got to hear from our legislators about state legislators and all the stuff they did. Um, and some of it was related to education. A lot of it was so, made some contacts there with legislators that I didn’t know already.
3:08:51 So made sure I tried to introduce myself in that. And then went to the naacp, uh, central board NAACP there Saturday night. And I have a bunch of other meetings set up with different organizations as we go in the next couple months. So the relationship building is happening. It’s not there. We’re doing it.
3:09:11 So, um, the academic progress check, I talked a little bit with, uh, staff and cabinet about when we could put this together. We’re kind of waiting for the state to release some comparable data. Like we can look at our data, like we can have, look at PM one and PM two have access to that already, uh, algebra one scores and stuff like that.
3:09:31 But I’d love to be able to get some other district data so we can compare. Mm-hmm. So, but that’s gonna happen sometime this summer, maybe the June 27th board workshop. We’ll do a presentation, but just so we kind of know where we are. Um, this year, you know, we, uh, I think we’ve been told we, we might have informational grades sometime, you know, later in the year for this year.
3:09:59 Last time we switched from one testing platform to another, they gave us informational grades, school grades if we wanted them. And so we might get the same thing this year. They won’t, at least this is what I remember them saying is they won’t give us, they won’t, um, calculate learning gains because we’re going from one platform to, you know, not all the testing change, but you know, the English and uh, or reading and math changed grades three through eight.
3:10:26 Mm-hmm. And 10. So in, uh, in reading. But the algebra one, e O C is still there. It was there before the biology. E O C is still there. Graduation rate’s still there, college and career rate is still there. So a lot of those components are still there and they’re not changed in platform. So I would expect us to get some kind of informational grade sometime in the year.
3:10:46 We have sharp enough people, John Carr, Reilly, that we can calculate what we believe our grades would be based on, all that kind of stuff. So we may not have possible grades to present to you in June, but I want to at least show how we did with pm, with Fast, and how we did, you know, from pm one to three and so on.
3:11:04 So there’ll be some kind of. Academic performance up update before the summer is over. Um, organizational structure evaluation, well, that’s gonna be based on these meetings that I’m having with people inside the organization, talking to ‘em about what’s working, what’s not working, and stuff like that. I think I want to be able to present something to you again, June 27th at that workshop.
3:11:27 Appreciate you some information and stuff like that. Um, strategic plan review. So the staff, we’re reviewing our progress on the strategic plan June 16th, so we have the whole day set aside to do that. Um, Mr. Wilson’s kind of orchestrating that ‘cause it’s Chief Operating Officer’s wheelhouse. It has been for years.
3:11:46 So we’ll go through the morning talking about, you know, how we’ve done on some of our metrics, some of the things we’re supposed to be measuring, and we’ll spend the afternoon talking about what we can do to raise our performance in those areas if we need to. That, that, um, and I think we probably won’t have anything to share with you on June 27th.
3:12:08 That’ll probably be July 11th. So we’ll be, I’ll bring you kind of a sense of how we did on the strategic plan. This is year four. We’re going into our last year of the strategic plan, I believe so, um, we’ll see how we’re doing. And then the last one, action. Step five is the tiered support inventory. Um, this will take a little more time to gather all the data, but we talked about it a little bit earlier in some of the conversations.
3:12:36 Um, we wanna see what standard support looks like in tier one. So how do we support all of our schools? All of our schools, that’s what tier one and then tier two, somewhat more needy schools. What are we doing for them? And in tier three, those are our highest need schools. What are we providing to them?
3:12:54 And I just wanna make sure that we’re not top loading. You like giving so much support to tier two and tier three, that tier one is not getting the support they need. So when we did that in Indian River years ago, that was the first time we started doing it this way. We actually reviewed the supports every, uh, nine weeks during the school year to see if, you know, we saw a, a school that was a tier two school start to perform better and moved into tier two, tier one.
3:13:25 Then we might see a tier one school that’s starting to drop, and we might shift some resources around, um, you know, maybe quite stretch for our staff to go to changing every quarter. So we may do it like semester, like do a mid-year check in January to see, but you know, sometimes schools get processes in place and things are getting, are working well and supported and student achievement starts to increase.
3:13:48 So you might be able to pull away one or two of those supports and give ‘em to a school that needs them. But you have to be careful not to pull away the supports and then all of a sudden, you know, the academic achievement goes down. So. Mm-hmm. Um, haven’t had a lot of conversation with the people involved in this.
3:14:02 It’s student services and then leading learning to see, you know, but, um, we’ll do an inventory. I don’t know if I’ll be able to bring something back to you on this before July 11th or probably later. Yep. Yeah, I don’t know if it’s July 11th on. That might be later. Okay. But I just wanted to share with you guys that I am doing these things I said I was gonna do and just kind give you an update.
3:14:26 The state, I, you may have said this and I missed it. Um, did they give a projected date of when they’re gonna release the, not anything that I remember seeing now. I didn’t have access to all the district communication. I mean, I know it’s supposed to come faster than ever has before because we got our results like within days.
3:14:42 Yeah. Right. So we got our pm, you know, three date data right away. Um, it’s a matter of dropping everything into those spreadsheets to see, you know, did we, and, and we’re a district that performs really well in proficiency. And so if there’s no learning gains, then we should be, we should be in good shape.
3:15:01 Okay. You know, we should be in good shape, but I’ll believe it when I see it. But, you know, Dr. Solomon and I did review and Jane Klein did review some PM three data, uh, last week or the week before. And I don’t wanna say it on being recorded, but it looked really good, you know, it looked like, looks good. So we’re very hopeful that we have really good needs to share.
3:15:26 That’s good. I’ve heard nothing but good things, honestly, from our principals, even our district staff about this new system. Um, being able to get results immediately, not having to wait. And the fact that we’re testing ‘em more frequently, it does help measure rather than just one test at the very end where it’s like, this is the sink or one test, we can kind of look at it and reevaluate.
3:15:43 Maybe we need to focus more attention here on, on what we’re teaching our students. So well, it gives us data if we’re going to consider reassigning. Right. You know, supports and assets. It, it gives us data to do that. Yeah. I mean, so that’s the beauty of formative assessment. That’s the fancy term that’s used for this progress monitoring.
3:16:01 Mm-hmm. And that was the cell. And they said we’re not gonna have one big test at the end. We’re gonna have three testing episodes, but they’ll be quicker. You know, in that first, first round of PM one it was, we were all learning how to administer the assessment and so we, there was a big interruption to schools to administer PM one.
3:16:21 ‘cause we were, this is a new test, we’re figuring out how to do it. Okay. So I, there were a lot of people like, this is worse. Yeah. This is worse than when we had FCA at first. This is worse than we had f s a and we didn’t get the results right away after that first round. Mm-hmm. It was, there’s a, by statute, I think it’s two weeks and I think we got ‘em on the 14th day, you know, so, um, but we get the data and then we can, you can make informational educational decisions on the data.
3:16:46 Like the classroom teacher can look at the data and say, okay, my students have done well in this area. They haven’t done well in this area. So I know how I taught. This worked. How I taught this did not work. Now I need to go back and reteach it or teach it differently, or something like that. And PM two was much more valuable.
3:17:02 ‘cause now we saw growth or no growth from PM one and you’re halfway through the year. So theoretically you should be halfway through the material. Now the interesting thing about PM one and PM two, they both met, had questions for the whole curriculum. So you’re basically, basically testing somebody in September on information that they may not be exposed to until May.
3:17:22 Hmm. And so you expect to see growth in PM two ‘cause now you’ve taught some of that material. But we saw much more growth than we expected. And in PM three we were most of the place, most of the data points I saw, we were pretty excited about the results. But going back to the method, it’s so much better to get data that you can take action on.
3:17:44 You know, so the teacher can get data right at the beginning of the year. They kind of know where their kids are at the baseline and they know like, if everybody in my class scores proficient on this one concept and I wasn’t even planning on speak teaching that concept until October, I know I can, I don’t wanna skip that concept, but I know I can feel comfortable that I can concentrate on some other stuff and maybe not spend as much time on that.
3:18:05 Mm-hmm. You know, but PM two, I know the teachers at Cogo Beach, when we dug through our data in PM two, that’s where they could see, all right, I know what I need to focus on in the next two months. Yeah. ‘cause they had to be ready for, for PM three, which is in May. Well, that’s tremendous. Honestly, I think it, it’s gotta be a side relief for our teachers because honestly waiting to, I’m some of our kids, I wouldn’t pick up their, their FCAT results until the summer of the next year when I was going to register them for school.
3:18:29 And I’m like, how in the world are you supposed to know if did good or not? That that’s crazy. So. Well, and I think some of this, I don’t know if it’ll change some other stuff like biology is an e o c Algebra one’s, an E O c, American history is an e ooc. But you get your biology e o C scores in, in the summer and you’re done with biology.
3:18:48 Yeah. So what you got is what you got. You, there’s no go back and reteaching and what they missed. ‘cause we’re you’re, you’re, you’re done. Yeah. Right. So the formative assessment is the way to go, you know, progress monitoring along the way. I just don’t know if it it’ll do that with those other subjects or not.
3:19:04 And we do, we’re doing that ourself with algebra, with maps testing. Yes. But we don’t have that. I mean the, I think the biology teachers will do like a, i you guys know the court reporter is here. Oh, okay. Alright. She can come in. Thank you. Thank you. I don’t know if we have that. I mean, teachers can do benchmark tests.
3:19:22 What’s interesting is years ago, hello, there were a lot of districts and that was when I was in St. Lucie. We were one of ‘em, and I think we did it here a little bit, but Seamless developed its own set of benchmarks for all the e OOC type tested, um, subjects. And even for FCAT and F S A related subjects or just English and math, in other words in science.
3:19:41 But the benchmarks were poor quality. And so the teachers did not have, did not value them. Yeah. So if the teachers didn’t value ‘em, the students didn’t value them. So then when you’re taking these benchmark assessments every six weeks or nine weeks, then it’s a waste of time. Yeah. Yeah. I’ve been to sub quite a few days given the science eighth grade science benchmark.
3:20:00 It was not fun. Like, does this count for a grade? And I’m like, I knew for a fact it didn’t because some it hadn’t covered. I’m like, yes it does. Yeah. I dunno. She didn’t give me that information. I’m the school board member. I know. Yeah. Yeah. But I think, you know, that’s the thing about PM one and PM two, at least most of the teachers I’ve talked to, um, PM one they maybe had, maybe not, had not convinced their students that it was important, but by PM two, they had, yeah.
3:20:24 So we had more reliable data and then PM three, that’s when you say, Hey, this counts. You know, and then they take it more seriously. So, I know. Sorry, I’m sorry. So, I’m excited about the results. I believe I’m gonna be excited about the results to share. So hopefully they’re, they’re strong. Like we think they, they’re, yay.
3:20:42 Nice. Good. Nice. Great. I wanted to, um, bring up that, you know, the, one of the HB one. Part of it is that deregulation committee that they’re gonna be putting together. It’s a great opportunity for us to get to go after some of this. ‘cause what the good idea varies have done for many years is just pile stuff, right?
3:20:59 Mm-hmm. And some of it’s just not effective. Yeah. So when we’re talking to people, I would say, ask ‘em, say, Hey, what is it that really bogs you down? Yeah. And see if we can’t make that a recommendation. ‘cause I’d love to go after that Dereg. Yeah. And say, look, here’s the 50 things that you need to change.
3:21:15 Yeah. And, and then I think we win with retention. Yeah. Heck, you. You know what I mean? Looking like we’re leaving that cause Yeah. I think that’s be good. Agreed. Just a thought process. Alright. Did you have anything else for No, that was it. Just to kind of give you an update on Thanks. Thanks. It’s awesome.
3:21:32 Oh wait, I did have something else. This is something we were talking about, board meeting organization earlier and stuff like that. Um, I’ve talked to a couple board members. This is something I’d kind of like just more direction on. Years ago, um, we used to start all of our business meetings off with a student performance.
3:21:53 So music or something like that. Elementary school chorus or something like that. We, we’d do that and then we’d have some secondary students, either middle school students or high school students. Usually a pair that one would say the pledge and then one would read a quote or a poem or something. And so we used to start every business meeting off like that.
3:22:11 Mm-hmm. At five o’clock I believe, or five 30. And then when those groups were all done performing and doing all that, we would play a video for five to 10 minutes, maybe 15 minutes. So if it was a band and they had equipment, they could clean up their equipment and the parents that were all there would, you know, be there for the performance.
3:22:32 They would all leave. And then when we reconvene, you’d actually open the business meeting or get to business and stuff like that. So, uh, you know, I’ve talked to Russell Bruin about setting this up as when we come back in the fall when we have students in classes, we. If we could start doing performances again, I just kind of need the board’s direction if they want to do that.
3:22:52 I love it. So I, I’m glad to brought up, ‘cause I had a principal and was like a great idea, um, last year and I haven’t got a chance to bring up to the board yet. Um, so I think when they stopped doing some of that was because it was a hardship on some of the schools to get there by that time. Right. By the time they get outta school, I know, like my daughter’s school saying a couple times at the beginning, but we didn’t get out till three 30 and by the time you get right there to get, so that created a little bit of a hardship to try to get everybody there.
3:23:18 But with this, so I’m gonna add to the conversation with this. The principal said, you know, because she was bringing up that she said what some of the schools, like, we recognize the teams that go out. So a lot of times the elementaries are the ones who don’t get ever or get very much of a spotlight.
3:23:32 Right. She was wondering if we could just for each board meeting, highlight a school and have the principal be in charge of what they wanted to bring. Right. You know, wanna bring, kids wanna bring performance in the summer, obviously they wouldn’t. But then just like we’re doing our, our campaign, our advertising campaign for schools, we’ve done videos, um, like rock paper, simples and the middle school videos.
3:23:50 We’ve done what y’all did, the flyers, um, for each school and commercials that it’s kind of like a little commercial brag on your school moment. Yeah, absolutely. And you bring whatever you want for your school to share, you know, and so whether it’s just the principal or they’re bring or they bring a, a video to show or products or, or a group or, you know, and just kinda let them, I don’t know if they’d all be willing to do that, but if they only had, it’s gonna take a while though.
3:24:16 Right. That’s why everybody a month. That’s right. Right. Right. That it was, uh, most principals would be watching to see when their term was gonna come up. Mm-hmm. And if they saw a school go twice before it was their turn, then they would be mm-hmm. That was something be calling up, calling up and saying, Hey, wait a minute.
3:24:39 You know, we could still recognize like the big state championship type groups. Sure. We would still do all that, but then the disadvantages to the, like, ‘cause elementaries are not gonna have that kind of opportunity. Yeah. And there may be an elementary school that, you know, they don’t really think they have a chorus or a band that is worthy of coming, you know, especially early in the year, they haven’t had a chance to practice.
3:24:58 Right. But they may want to come and brag on their STEM program or something and show pictures of a really unique event or club or Yeah. Could we do two in the same night? I’m just thinking that if we did two in the same night, we have two meetings a month that’s still only 48 schools for the year. So we still, they would be on a, basically every other year rotation of coming to the board meetings.
3:25:16 Otherwise it’s gonna be four years. Yeah. Yeah. So, so sometimes some principals are like, yeah, no, we’re good. Yeah. I mean, so you may not, I think the idea is I’ll talk to Russell and I’ll talk to the, you know, some of the principals and kind of get some feedback on what kind of, what we could do. Yeah. In 20 to 30 minutes, Jennifer, Julian, and Columbia, I, on the list.
3:25:37 Okay. All Columbia, the list. Yeah. She, she’s the one who, who asked me about that. They are the reason that we are there. So. Absolutely. I’m, I’m in favor. Favor of, I still love it. Well, that’s the thing, you, you start the meeting off with really positive vibes. Like, everybody’s excited, everybody’s happy.
3:25:52 Parents see the, there’s this school board meeting that, you know, meets and makes decisions about their kids’ schools and stuff like that. So there’s a connection now with parents also. Um, when we bring the high school kids, or middle school kids to do the pledge or, you know, the poetry or whatever, they realize, oh, there’s a school board.
3:26:11 There’s what, what is this organization? What is it? You know? Right. So it’s an awareness for. The people in the district that, that the school board exists. Mm-hmm. And they have these meetings and things happen. Yeah. But it’s also a way for everybody in the room to be reminded really why we’re in the room.
3:26:27 Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So might bring the temperature down a little bit, you know, and at least we’d start the meeting off of good news and before we dive into the business. Yeah. I like that. I love it. A little bit of housekeeping. Oh, you done? Yeah, I’m good now. Matt? Yeah. Yeah. You wanna go now? How you was real fast?
3:26:46 Um, um, Coco Titusville, west Melbourne are the first cities that we’ll probably go to. Okay. Um, because they’re all teachers. The mayors. Yeah. Um, they are teachers of B p s, which is gonna be pretty cool. They’re really excited for this. Like, I’ve talked to a couple of ‘em, um, and I’m still like, cocoa Beach is still waiting to get back, but it’s gonna be so far out.
3:27:06 But they have plenty of time, but they’re really excited for it. Um, but, um, do you want me to explain it or do you wanna do it? Sure. I mean, I can, um, you go. So I’ve been offered and accepted a different position. I told Dr. Ell and that on Friday. Um, I put my two weeks notice on Friday, but they wanted to wait until today.
3:27:22 I almost gave my two weeks notices when she did it. Oh. I was wondering why you were training Allison to do all the things. Well, I, she’s talking with that anyways, but, um, just wanted to let you know that they’ll worry not a plan on however they’re going to fill the position, but, um, as of next Friday, last day Aww too.
3:27:38 You didn’t ask us outside of V p s, I’m assuming outside of V P s. Yeah. She, she was like, why aren’t you mad? And I said, because I’m always happy for somebody when they’re happy where they go. Yeah. You know what I mean? And you’re mm-hmm. You’ve done such an amazing job for us. Yes. And I think that everybody here is, knows that you’re gonna be missed.
3:27:57 And just so you know, if that group does not perform the way that you want, we will fire whoever it is that we hire. I will, no, you will always have this spot of B p Ss. But now thank you so much. Honestly, coming into this transition has been like a hard landing and you have just been so steady and stable and I cannot thank you enough ‘cause you were just a rock through a really hard time.
3:28:20 So can Allison, can you just publicly state that we didn’t run you off? I publicly state For the record. For the record, right, because I’m Look at this one right here. Yeah. Right. So she’s gonna do the agendas for the rest of the year before she leaves. Very nice. Thank you. Consultant and all the advertise and they cannot change at all.
3:28:45 They must have. That would be a trick. So, so where does that, that leaves us in the process of needing to hire, so Dr and I talked about it, it’s in his house. Okay. So he’s gonna bring like three or four people together for us and then we’ll yeah, we’ll advertise and if I get like two to three to four people that I think are high quality, I’ll share their background and their name, their background and qualifications with you guys before we pick anybody, just to give you guys some input.
3:29:11 So then Allison’s gonna be the new Tammy for short. Temporarily. Yeah, I just got here. You can’t take my secretary. Tammy? Is that what it is? What’s pick? Because Tammy, if you can help out a little bit in that transition, Mike, if they have questions. Yeah, because I’ll just make it up. I’ll just make it up and they won’t know what’s going on.
3:29:34 Probably she’ll make a binder. You can’t leave treatment. Well, Pam made her little thing before she left. So I gave, I’ve been working with, I’m gonna work in the office with her for the next two weeks and so to make sure. And she had cell phone over. Okay. I’ll hesitate to use it. Yeah, I do have one more thing.
3:29:51 Yeah, you’re good man. I, I, I was just looking for stuff. So six minutes. So we need to schedule a closed session so I can talk to you guys about bargaining. Okay. ‘cause we want to go put some stuff on the table, but I need to get board direction on what we can put on the table. Okay. So, uh, that’s about all I can say.
3:30:10 So, you know, but we want to, we wanna start, get the negotiations process started with our bargaining units and even the non bargaining units we want to get going. Okay. Do we have to notice that? So we can do it Tuesday, we just have to schedule it. Well, we canceled everything this Tuesday. I mean, if we want to get this thing done.
3:30:28 No, this coming Tuesday the 13th, not the 20th. Oh, you’re, you’re a week off. Anything but anything that we, would you be ready by now? Yeah, I think I’d be ready. Um, I, I’d love to do it. Yeah. Later. Unless you wanna do some something special before the end of the week and then Tuesday’s the early No, no, next Tuesday’s fine.
3:30:47 Well, listen, I don’t know. I’m just, just trying to be, so how long do you think we would need for the closed session so that we can bump 45 minutes to an hour at the most. Okay. So we’re supposed to come in at one anyway, an hour and a half. No, it’s gonna be, if he says 45, it’s gonna be double it. Yeah, it Okay.
3:31:02 But wait, hang on. So Tuesday we have a morning meeting, right? Oh, that’s right. So basically the only thing is time certain is the school meeting starts at nine 30, so the workshop is advertised 10 30, which just means that that workshop ends after the board meeting. And we can take a break, our truck can start anytime after 10 30.
3:31:22 So we don’t need the time. Um, it’s 10 30 or immediately when the meeting Right, right. We can’t start before 10 30, but Right. And that’s where you see with any river is we would, we would schedule a closed session. I have to look at. See the, at the conclusion of the business meeting. Okay. Now it kind of motivates to get the business meeting done.
3:31:40 Okay. So we’ll do the same here. Is that okay? I don’t know if everybody heard that. I said Indian River. What we used to do is schedule a closed session at the conclusion of the business meeting. Now you got a business meeting first on Tuesday. Right? So then you got a workshop. So it could be at the conclusion of the workshop.
3:31:56 Yeah. This conclusion of the workshop. Workshop because it’s not advertised your executive session, whereas the workshop is correct and the leaders say if you need a hard stop the workshop, that doesn’t need to change your advertisements. Okay. Yeah. And I think two topics are coming off. So it’s shortening that.
3:32:09 Yeah. We should be to, so to do it at the end of the workshop, I’m go with that. Correct? Correct. I’m go with that. Um, question on that topic while we’re there. I don’t, when is the deadline, like the legislation that talked about the union 10, 10 is unlikely to survive. Um, when is that hard date of when they become not a union anymore?
3:32:31 I don’t have it in my head, but, uh, the way it’s a phased in approach. Okay. It’s like the law is effective July one. Okay. I think they have until like October-ish to certify whether or not they have the membership and then they get, I want to say so long to try and get the 60% months. I don’t remember.
3:32:51 Right. So we’re not gonna, it’s gonna be a longer, so we’ll be negotiating this year with, with them in place. So you’ll need to have an agreement right now because I’m just wondering for the future, this then, this is not something we need to talk about right now, but for the future, I, what does it look like to not have a union for that group of employees?
3:33:08 Yeah. How do you Well, just ‘cause they get de certified doesn’t mean you’re not gonna have another union try and step in and say, Hey, I wanna, I wanna represent you guys. Yeah. They get at 60%. So you could be right back at the table with two. Could B F T potentially pick them up or no? Yeah. But then that adds to their percentage and they go down.
3:33:27 It wouldn’t be D M T. And they could like have another branch like Oh, okay. A different thing. And we are representing them. So the same people could potentially, there are some districts who have one Yeah. Educational employees union. But I don’t think B F T would wanna add them in because that drops their percentage down.
3:33:44 Yeah, they would, they’ve made conversation about it. Really. Certain version wouldn’t, it wouldn’t surprise me anything. Right. Yeah. I was gonna say the other, the other one is because 10 ten’s kind of weird. It’s like the painters and whatever union. Yeah. The true custodian one through the school districts is called S Me.
3:33:59 They’re big. They’re falling. They’ll be the same way though. They don’t have the numbers across the state. They will. Yeah. I think it’s just our employees. It’s just like the bus drivers are usually in those unions and they’re not in our district. So Yeah. They just don’t have the pool to get those employees in the union.
3:34:15 Yeah. I just, just for the future when it comes up, I just, obviously there’s some districts I think that don’t already have unions for those employees. I mean, I just dunno how it works. I mean, you don’t have to bargain. So then it’s just up to the board and the district, they would have non bargaining.
3:34:28 Yeah. We would treat them just like the other non-bargaining group. Right. And so then the non bargaining group would probably outnumber the bargaining group as far as numbers. But salary’s not the same. Cost is not the same. Right. But in number of employees, you know, ‘cause you, you can strike a deal with your non bargaining unit right away if you want.
3:34:48 Mm-hmm. Because there’s really no deal. ‘cause you just tell ‘em what they’re getting. Right. Makes it simpler what you get and you don’t try fit’s I say my household. Right. But we’ll them obviously we’re going, I mean it’s, I it’s incumbent board to do the right thing by our employees. Of course. No, there’s, you know, it’s assuming that, yeah.
3:35:04 I mean that kind of the situations now is that we wouldn’t do that without, well we have a good relationship with our unions and many other districts. The unions act a little bit differently than what we have and it’s a very caustic relationship. And depending on how, depending on how that plays out, um, You know, three years from now, we might be at war with the same people that we were friends with.
3:35:28 Well, I’ve know I said since day one, we shouldn’t need a union. If our district, if it was right by our employees all the time, we wouldn’t need a union. We would do the right thing. But, uh, I don’t necessarily oppose them advocating on behalf of our staff and our teachers. So, all right, here we go. Oh, do we have to clear the room?
3:35:46 Not yet. Not yet. Yeah. We gotta do our little spiel. Oh yeah. I gotta read this thing. So, are we good on the business meeting? Yes’. Good. It’s, he’s ending this one, so we’re good. Good.