Updates on the Fight for Quality Public Education in Brevard County, FL
0:00 Music.
4:56 Thank you.
13:55 That’s a prelude for the board’s discussion as to where we go
13:57 from here.
13:58 So, Sarah Lee, I will turn it over to you.
14:00 All right.
14:01 Thank you very much, Sue.
14:03 It’s a pleasure to be here, board members.
14:05 I’m Sarah Lee Morrissey.
14:07 I am your neighbor.
14:09 I live right up the street in Volusia, so I’m happy to be here
14:14 in person.
14:15 and yes z does follow wxy but not in their company name and so
14:22 with me this afternoon
14:25 is are my colleagues raphael loud and also adam lubinski is also
14:32 with us although i may need
14:36 somebody uh we have to admit there he is all right um okay so
14:48 give me just a second to get this there we go
15:01 and okay all right so based on the direction that ms hahn
15:11 received from you at your march 22nd
15:14 meeting she enlisted the assistance of wxy who is an annual
15:19 planning consultant with you
15:21 and asked uh or authorized uh wxy and myself to proceed to have
15:28 conversations with each of you
15:30 about board redistricting and to also speak with the supervisor
15:35 of elections come forward with our
15:38 findings and hopefully have some discussion today that gives
15:43 further direction on how
15:45 you want to move forward so today’s agenda is relatively short
15:54 and uh as you know that i will go through each of these items
16:00 with you and start off with just
16:04 summarizing that my colleague raphael and i were able to meet or
16:09 rather speak with each of you some by
16:13 phone some by zoom but we were able to have conversation and
16:18 then i was also able to have a conversation
16:22 with brevard supervisor of election mr tim bobonic
16:26 and in each of our conversations with board members we focused a
16:35 series of questions on
16:37 three subject areas each member’s district specific district
16:42 redistricting
16:46 approach criteria and then lastly public engagement
16:51 and um as you might expect because i know you’ve talked about
16:58 this before
16:59 everyone raised different concerns and particularly when we’re
17:05 talking about individual board members
17:08 districts there’s some unique concerns and or characteristics
17:12 of your districts which we heard about and then we we discussed
17:16 different criteria and as you would expect
17:22 different emphasis is placed on different criteria by each board
17:30 member
17:32 so let’s take a few minutes if we can to talk about redistricting
17:37 criteria
17:38 and also included in this table are some engagement options and
17:44 as we move through the presentation we’ll talk a little bit more
17:48 about engagement options and i want to make clear we did not ask
17:54 any board member
17:56 to place a priori to place a priority on criteria what you see
18:00 here in this table is a summary of what we heard
18:04 in speaking to board members in terms of whether a board member
18:09 felt strongly about something
18:11 or perhaps a particular issue was not even raised by a board
18:16 member so you may not see
18:19 uh a sum of five as you go across each of these criteria and
18:24 that would be because perhaps that particular
18:27 criteria was just not brought up in conversation
18:31 um so no surprise to i think any of you there’s not a lot of
18:37 agreement but i am very happy to say we were
18:41 able to find one criteria of which everyone agreed on and that
18:45 is that no one’s ready to move forward with seven
18:48 um seven board members so i took that as a positive sign um
18:54 there was uh also uh not really referenced
18:59 here but when we spoke about to what um every board member uh
19:05 acknowledged and understood that balancing
19:10 overall population is the minimum legal criteria so i would say
19:14 that was a point of agreement as well and then
19:17 um because a lot of work has already been done at the county
19:21 commission
19:22 and you’ve seen in sue’s presentation at your march meeting
19:28 where that deviation fell
19:30 for the county commission which is right hovering at eight and a
19:34 half percent
19:35 that there was some general uh consensus that that that that is
19:41 a reasonable deviation as
19:44 as as you move forward uh and i know that you’ve had um
19:48 discussion uh and direction that it needs to come
19:53 under 10 percent and you’re now over uh 10 percent there were
19:59 some other common threads
20:03 uh as as i think you would expect and some of those have to do
20:08 with the distribution of students and also the number of schools
20:14 across board members districts um diversity within the
20:30 population and how it portrays itself across each of your
20:31 districts
20:31 um obviously there is consensus from a few of you about county
20:45 commission boundaries and uh also some
20:50 discussion about communities in general
20:53 when we move into discussing um public engagement there’s uh a
21:03 some level of uh agreement that
21:09 um the degree to which
21:12 you move forward with something beyond a board meeting where the
21:17 public is invited to speak as
21:19 just part of your normal course of business
21:22 um i would say that to the degree those of you felt public
21:29 engagement was important
21:30 you did not think in person necessarily was necessary
21:36 and that um uh virtual could easily accommodate uh public
21:44 engagement we can talk a little bit more
21:46 about that i think what we need to talk about in a little bit of
21:50 detail
21:50 is the discussion about county commission boundaries
21:56 because that as you all know there are several of you that have
22:00 that do consider that as a strong priority
22:05 however that as a priority does compete or conflict with some of
22:14 the other priorities that we heard about
22:17 so for instance
22:21 moving towards uh school board member districts matching the
22:26 county commission boundaries it does
22:28 exacerbate the the imbalance uh across board member districts
22:35 for number of schools
22:37 so if you’re trying to have a somewhat uh equal distribution or
22:44 equal as close as you can get to equal
22:47 distribution that imbalance does um become greater under county
22:53 commission boundaries right now
22:55 under your your current boundaries you have um the smallest
23:02 number of schools is 15
23:04 in one district and the greater number is is 19 and so the delta
23:10 across all the districts is either one
23:13 two three or four if you move forward with county commission
23:17 boundaries
23:18 that delta is greater and that deviation between the smallest
23:22 and the largest
23:23 is much greater this the smallest district would have 12 schools
23:28 the largest district would have
23:29 21 and that delta across districts is either one five or nine
23:37 necessarily you had mentioned this
23:40 based upon the physical location and address correct not on the
23:44 not on the physical location of students
23:46 that is correct that’s strictly school location so in many of
23:50 our districts regardless of where
23:52 they’re drawn students are in our district that go to another
23:55 school it’s just you’re talking about
23:57 physical difference correct okay uh we did we did uh in terms of
24:01 uh possible criteria
24:05 um both students was mentioned as well as student attendance
24:10 boundaries and i think part of that is
24:14 recognizing that distinction between a school may be in an
24:17 individual board members district however all of
24:21 the children who are within that attendance boundary may or may
24:25 not be in that particular board members district
24:29 thank you and i would i would also uh say that everyone uh
24:34 recognizes that they serve
24:37 everyone in your county um i think the issue of number of
24:44 schools specifically uh comes down to
24:50 when a board member wants to get to know their particular school
24:55 community better closer visit the
24:59 school get to know the faculty the administration the families
25:04 it does become more difficult the larger your
25:08 district is geographically and or the larger number of schools
25:13 that you have to make regular visits
25:17 um in the course of a year
25:19 so one of the other areas where um there is some conflicting uh
25:30 priorities
25:33 between the county commission boundaries is the discussion that
25:37 we had with some board members
25:39 about the number of people impacted in moving forward and and
25:44 that did have some relationship
25:46 to the discussion about public engagement miss sarah lee i would
25:50 i would go back to where it says one
25:52 member remains a board member until 2026 but resides out of the
25:56 district i think the proposal that
25:58 had the county commission seat put district five with that
26:02 district so they would actually have
26:04 a district i’m not sure if you saw that one of your bullet
26:07 points inside the presentation is wrapped
26:09 around a person being outside of their district but in fact it
26:13 drew the district with them in it they would have a district
26:16 uh uh the intention with this statement it was from the map that
26:24 we saw uh the board member currently in district
26:30 three would no longer be in district three if you adopt county
26:35 commission and the board member that
26:38 is in district five would not be in district five if you adopt
26:43 county commission boundaries they would remain
26:46 in district five it would just be that their house is like if
26:50 you draw the county commission straight
26:53 which was the current one then that section of where that
26:57 individual is at would not be inside of
26:59 it but we had already prepared to add that person to that
27:03 district does that make sense no we haven’t prepared
27:05 anything her statement is absolutely accurate miss miss campbell
27:08 miss campbell i i i i we did have a
27:11 presentation that put that piece inside of us i would just i
27:15 would like to give a second no no no we made a
27:18 presentation that included there is a document that came out
27:22 that showed that that’s all i’m referring to that’s all i’m
27:25 referring to
27:25 are you talking about the maps yeah no no no miss hand sorry we
27:29 had a presentation earlier that put where
27:32 we took and carved out so that this all could happen there would
27:37 be a district that miss campbell would
27:39 have that district is it’s not like she doesn’t have a district
27:43 it’s not like she’s just floating out
27:45 there there’s a literal district that she would be representing
27:48 you can’t just hang on just just hang
27:51 on if i understood correctly from mr gibbs memo that miss campbell
27:55 would remain in her district and the
27:58 the boundary adjustment would be timed such that miss campbell
28:01 was not miss campbell remained in her
28:03 district during her term of office that’s what i understood and
28:07 that in order to do that that just
28:09 needed to have a little carve out along there to add her
28:13 neighborhood to it is what it was i think we
28:16 were talking about effective dates of mr gibbs perhaps you can
28:20 just to clarify it’s not a drawing of
28:23 the line that if you adopt the county lines they would be the
28:25 county lines right now it’s just miss
28:27 campbell would get to finish her term with district five and
28:31 then at the conclusion of her term she could
28:34 not run for district five anymore she would have to run for her
28:37 new district and miss jenkins would
28:39 continue to represent district three until her term runs and
28:43 then she would have to run for district four
28:45 so part of the presentation had showed and i had had
28:49 conversations with the supervisor of elections
28:52 that that were miss campbell which i think i’ve heard that both
28:58 miss campbell and miss jenkins have
29:00 mentioned that you guys may not be running again so that’s kind
29:03 of like a moot point
29:04 but the thing is is that um both in that you would take that
29:08 neighborhood draw it into five
29:11 until after that individual was no longer present and then move
29:15 that in that’s in a presentation that
29:16 i have we have we have there has been a presentation that had
29:20 that inside of it well it was not a
29:22 presentation that was ever given to this board in a public
29:24 manner and i will tell you i will tell you
29:26 right now i would be careful at saying something that i know to
29:29 be true miss campbell is that our staff
29:31 presented that piece so that’s okay it’s it may have been a
29:34 while ago when it was but that’s what the
29:36 original presentation was that presentation that statement that
29:40 idea was never presented to this
29:42 board and i you don’t want me to challenge you mr mr susan i’d
29:45 like to finish there’s not been a
29:48 conversation there’s not been a conversation about a carve out
29:52 and about my neighborhood my neighborhood
29:54 because i will tell you my precinct is the second largest precinct
29:59 in the entire in the entire county
30:01 it’s got 12 000 voters in it and if you move my precinct into
30:06 any other precinct you’re not you just
30:08 threw off the whole whole entire percentage nobody said just now
30:12 that you would be that that would be
30:14 the way it is there was another option that gave it to where you
30:17 would have a nobody’s taking an entire
30:19 precinct and moving it into somewhere else your precinct is
30:22 larger than your neighborhood miss
30:24 campbell i would say with this for the presence of it that there
30:28 is an option that makes it to where
30:30 you have a district until you decide not to we’ve already talked
30:33 about that that the possibility legally
30:36 if we do it is legal if we adopt right but that’s not we talked
30:39 about my neighborhood but the the
30:41 statement that she put here is correct no the present you you
30:45 were doubting the veracity of her statement
30:48 which is one board member which would be me remains a board
30:51 member until 2026 but resides out of district
30:54 if we adopt the county commission lines i will for three and a
30:57 half years be residing outside of district
31:00 five regardless of you can’t just move a neighborhood and say
31:03 yes you can for this
31:04 i’m just not going to continue to argue with you yes you can so
31:08 there was two options on the table you
31:10 could do it that way or you could take a neighborhood and carve
31:12 it out and put it there that’s it that’s
31:14 all i wanted to say and that is in documents that we did receive
31:17 because i think that was part of
31:18 the conversation and i had the conversation with the supervisor
31:21 of elections and it is completely
31:23 legal conversation the supervisor i understand that is not what
31:26 he said to me well it what i talked to
31:28 about the supervisor and what you talked to i hope would be two
31:31 separate things but it is legal to do
31:33 and he said that as soon as what the corrective action would be
31:36 she could have that district and then as soon as
31:38 that her she is not going to run or she is no longer on the
31:41 ballot you can readjust it or you can keep
31:44 it the same way it’s not a big deal that’s all okay my turn so i’m
31:48 going to go ahead and back up
31:51 miss campbell’s claims maps in which there was a carve out for
31:55 miss campbell were not presented to
31:58 the board i also find it interesting that there would be a map
32:01 that carves out miss campbell and not
32:03 miss jenkins that doesn’t make any sense um and as well no you
32:08 cannot draw out miss campbell’s
32:12 neighborhood because then you would be causing the problems you
32:14 claim you’re trying to avoid with the
32:16 supervisor of elections you have to carve out the entire precinct
32:19 otherwise you’re going to create new
32:21 problems for the supervisor of elections the point that i was
32:25 told or that was presented to this board
32:28 the reason we wanted to adopt the county commission lines was to
32:32 reduce voter confusion so if we adopt
32:34 the lines but then deviate them slightly we’re not reducing
32:37 voter confusion we’ll still have the same
32:39 exact voter confusion so i think the confusion that you may have
32:44 is is that you and i are up for election
32:48 right so that our districts can align because then we are in the
32:51 same election but miss campbell needed
32:54 that extra time so when i spoke to the supervisor of elections
32:57 he stated that this was an option that’s
32:59 all so i just didn’t want it to be that this is the reason that
33:02 you can’t go this route or anything
33:04 like that so that’s it i’m allowed to say with the conversation
33:07 i had with the supervisor and that’s
33:09 what it is mr susan but i’m i’m not confused i’m not confused at
33:13 all um because it wouldn’t make sense
33:15 why you would carve out one board member and not another i don’t
33:19 want to be carved out i’m not advocating for
33:22 that but the fact that you’re having that conversation is very
33:26 odd so no i’m not confused but it wasn’t
33:28 something that was presented to this board all right miss jenkins
33:31 the floor is you miss sarah lee
33:32 okay thank you um and i think as we move uh towards the end of
33:40 the presentation and we talk about
33:45 possible scopes uh i believe that uh your suggestion mr chair
33:52 comes into play this slide is intended to
33:57 discuss solely an exact adoption of the county commission
34:01 boundaries as they exist today um good point and uh
34:07 what uh potential implications would be and i i just call your
34:13 attention to this map uh that is on this slide
34:18 um you know i think uh you know down here in florida i think
34:23 part of the confusion we run into
34:26 with our constituents is many have not been born and raised in
34:31 florida and in fact have come to us
34:33 us from somewhere else often up north and they are not used to
34:38 having a an autonomous school board and an
34:43 autonomous county council they’re actually used to their town
34:49 their community uh having authority over their
34:54 schools and so i think part of the confusion we all run into
34:58 when we’re speaking with constituents is um
35:02 they they are surprised that the school board is an autonomous
35:09 entity here in florida with its own
35:12 operation and then certainly when they’re looking at a voter id
35:17 card and it says county commission
35:21 district three school board commission district four or whatever
35:26 you know it is a reasonable question
35:28 in their mind why are they not the same if if they’re both the
35:32 whole county why are they not the same
35:35 i will say you are not the only district slash county that does
35:42 not match your school board seats with your
35:45 county commission seats um we did not do a survey of everyone
35:52 but i know just as a matter of my own experience
35:56 working on this issue with with others that they may not have
36:03 matched historically or they may have matched
36:07 historically and they do not now and for whatever reason it’s
36:13 often because the school board um
36:17 reasonably so is concerned about different issues than the
36:22 county commission they may oftentimes work on
36:25 issues together but your first and foremost obligation is to the
36:31 operation of your schools
36:34 and um we all know that our schools come in uh very very helpful
36:40 to the county when there’s storms
36:42 um and that there’s often a lot of other issues we work on
36:46 together but it is not unusual for them
36:52 not to match and or for you to decide to match them and or later
36:57 choose not to
37:01 i think the areas that you can see on this map are the areas
37:06 that would be impacted
37:07 if you decide to go to a straight county commission boundary
37:13 adoption these are the geographic areas
37:16 where people will be impacted in speaking with mr babonic about
37:26 that right now brevard has in excess of
37:30 four hundred and sixty thousand registered voters unfortunately
37:34 we know that not everybody votes
37:36 there’s somewhere in the neighborhood of a hundred thousand
37:40 voters in these different colored areas
37:44 so let’s talk a little bit about our conversation with the
37:53 supervisor of elections and i want to make sure i clarify
37:58 um especially this first and second bullet this first bullet
38:03 this first bullet is actually speaking to
38:05 what if you decide to adopt the county commission boundaries to
38:10 be your school board seats
38:12 if you do that you do reduce the number of ballot types
38:21 you don’t necessarily change the number of ballots because
38:25 whatever your number of voters are each voter has
38:28 to have a ballot but this this bullet is speaking specifically
38:33 to if you choose to adopt county commission
38:36 boundaries if you choose to adopt some other variation and we
38:41 don’t know what that would be
38:45 the number of ballot types may go up probably wouldn’t go down
38:52 may go up a lot may not go up a lot that is
38:56 when this issue of looking at the precincts uh and if moving a
39:01 whole precinct is not possible a precinct may be too large
39:06 um then again in conversation with mr babonic at the very least
39:16 do not uh take any geographic unit that is
39:18 smaller than the census block as determined by the u.s census so
39:24 there’s different issues that are raised
39:28 um depending on uh you know how you decide to look at your
39:35 boundaries uh certainly if if we
39:39 become engaged with you to move this forward in uh uh whatever
39:46 manner is decided we would be working
39:49 closely with the supervisor of election on whatever um scenarios
39:56 were created because uh it is important
40:00 to try and keep things as um as as simple as possible whether we’re
40:08 looking at the shapes of the
40:10 the districts or whether we’re looking at um where people are
40:15 voting and the formation of precincts um
40:19 the supervisor of election is required to send out voter cards
40:25 after you adopt um whatever you choose to
40:29 adopt he will have to send out new voter cards to any voter that
40:34 is affected so meaning
40:38 if if if a current voter stays in district one and his or her um
40:44 nothing is changed that particular
40:48 voter does not need a card but if a voter is reassigned to a
40:53 different uh district then
40:55 that voter would have to get a card um and again um he they
41:00 their office uh they have some good staff
41:07 uh they review their precincts and their data regularly uh and
41:11 certainly if we were part of your team
41:13 moving forward we would be continuing to have conversation and
41:18 work with mr babonic and his staff
41:21 lastly before we uh move into some conversation about potential
41:27 scopes
41:28 um wanted to just talk about public engagement
41:33 and uh many of you said an extensive process is not necessary
41:40 but again some competing priorities
41:42 you know if we’re going to impact a lot of people then the need
41:47 for engagement becomes greater
41:48 if
41:50 what form that engagement takes recognizing this work is going
41:58 to happen quickly
41:59 and over the summer so being able to reach out to people through
42:05 their schools is not necessarily
42:07 an option um and people will be away as people normally are
42:13 during the summer we did speak with each of you
42:18 uh about a web tool that wxy has used in other redistricting
42:24 exercises not specifically school board
42:27 redistricting but i know you’re very familiar with attendance
42:31 boundaries and that web tool is able to
42:36 um be made accessible um virtually for people to comment on and
42:42 or um to conduct some virtual meetings so
42:47 um again the whole discussion about public engagement the level
42:52 to which uh any one of you were interested in it
42:57 kind of corresponded to other concerns that um you may or may
43:02 not have have raised
43:03 at this point i am going to turn the next two slides over to
43:13 adam and raphael to talk to you about
43:18 potential scopes uh should you decide that you want to do
43:23 something beyond
43:24 just adopting county commission boundaries
43:28 thank you thoroughly so we’ve put together two scope options
43:37 based on what we heard
43:41 the both scopes recommended analysis of the county commission
43:46 boundaries and a first scenario which
43:51 explores the minimum number of changes to your existing school
43:55 board boundaries
43:56 that you might need to make in order relations and that would be
44:01 to minimally balance the
44:02 populations to get under that 10 percent threshold
44:08 the analysis of the county commission boundaries would be purely
44:13 to calculate the same set of metrics
44:15 that we’d be calculating
44:16 for the county commission boundaries so that in effect you’d be
44:22 able to compare apples to apples
44:25 the county commission boundaries against the scenario one
44:28 boundaries
44:29 under option two we recommend exploring a second scenario
44:37 and this is really a much more open-ended scenario where we
44:40 could explore different member priorities
44:43 and make more significant boundary changes
44:47 and so if you’re interested in this that’s uh we haven’t
44:52 prescribed or recommended an approach
44:54 for the second scenario but that would be determined based on on
44:58 additional board input
45:01 in both scenarios we recommend a board workshop and a round of
45:07 boundary edits following the board workshop
45:10 and that would lead to a final set of scenario boundary
45:17 recommendations
45:18 we recommend different levels of engagement under the two scopes
45:24 in both scopes we recommend
45:27 an interactive mapping tool however only in option two are we
45:33 recommending
45:34 virtual meetings based on your and then both options include
45:42 reporting and that’s just
45:43 a final report as well as a summary of the engagement the
45:47 engagement summary would be different in the two options so in
45:52 the first option it would just be
45:54 a set of metrics who submitted a survey on the interactive tool
46:00 who put a comment on the map what was the web traffic like
46:04 under option two it would include all of that website data in
46:08 addition to data collected at the meetings
46:13 because option one is less work overall the fee is lower and the
46:19 timeline is shorter
46:20 and so we believe that rounding out the analysis by the end of june
46:27 would be appropriate leaving plenty of time
46:31 ahead of august 22nd which as i understand is the latest
46:35 possible date that boundaries can be adopted to go into
46:40 effect um for the next election option in terms of timeline we
46:48 think that it’s a reasonable to complete
46:50 all of the option two tasks by the end of july this summer with
46:56 the same um note later than date
46:59 and then the fee amounts are are different and based at the
47:02 bottom there i want to note that um these are just
47:06 two sets of options we’ve put together we can sort of mix and
47:10 match uh tasks as necessary if the board is interested
47:14 and can provide updated the estimates uh based on these
47:20 different configurations by approved
47:31 um so just quickly touching on the timeline again before kicking
47:36 it off to q a um so we recommend
47:39 under both options to complete the redistricting analysis in may
47:43 the board workshop would then take
47:46 place at one of the listed dates the round of modifications if
47:52 needed would take place after that board workshop
47:58 we’re recommending that engagement take place in june and or july
48:02 depending on the amount of the engagement
48:04 done under other or um how the board would want to proceed on
48:09 engagement we’re recommending that the
48:14 initial scenario is published to the web tool for public comment
48:18 so that the board would then have access
48:21 to public comments as they’re at their board workshop following
48:28 the board workshop workshop in the round of edits
48:31 that revised scenario if the scenario is revised would then be
48:36 re-uploaded to the web tool
48:38 and members of the public would be able to leave comments um on
48:42 that updated scenario
48:47 and under option two in the time we would uh additionally be
48:51 conducting virtual meetings
48:53 and then finally the final redistricting and engagement memo
48:58 once the redistricting
48:59 and engagement tests are complete thank you i’ll pass it back to
49:03 sarah lee
49:07 that concludes the information that we’ve put together for your
49:11 consideration and um obviously
49:14 if if you need any elaboration or answering any questions uh
49:22 during your discussion we’re we’re here
49:29 um thank you i think um you guys did a great presentations thank
49:32 you so much for that um uh with
49:34 that are there any board members that wish to discuss any of
49:38 this i i do know that one of the
49:40 things that would help with whether we went with the county
49:43 commission or not i spent a lot of time
49:45 looking at our current ones and the county commission ones and
49:49 if you do it by population
49:52 um there’s schools like mcnair saturn gulfview that are physical
49:55 locations in one but the majority of
49:57 students may be in the other so you may be able to say in order
50:01 to equal it out you can take those
50:03 schools and regardless of if we went with the county commission
50:06 or not the population inhibits
50:08 you to do that like for me there’s a lot of kids that are in my
50:12 district that go to anderson but
50:14 i think that it’s in your district right so it’s there’s like
50:17 that whole dynamic right so there’s
50:20 the way to levelize all of the schools is in some cases and i
50:23 went across and it’s probably three or
50:25 four that we would have to do that on but the majority of them
50:28 would fall into the districts that
50:30 we have currently um i just wanted to kind of mention that as we
50:33 were moving forward but you guys
50:35 want to start the conversations any kind of the direction or
50:38 anything like that i’ll start the
50:40 conversation so this is um redistricting is obviously one of
50:43 those topics that people feel differently and
50:46 different passions about this because it impacts us all
50:48 differently uh and it’s one of those challenging
50:50 things that we have to to take on because statute says that we
50:55 have to do this um one of the other
50:57 things to take into consideration which i hope maybe our
50:59 legislators will look at this in the future
51:01 but uh our districts based on the number of voters doesn’t
51:04 necessarily correlate to the number of
51:06 students so when you have a retirement community that’s in a
51:08 district now that number goes up and
51:10 so i understand the complexity of this this is it’s a
51:12 complicated issue um to me i’ve said this
51:15 since day one i really feel like adopting the county commissions
51:18 is the same we should keep it the
51:20 same just for simplicity of voters that’s what i’ve said since
51:24 day one i understand it poses challenges
51:26 to really three of you guys i don’t think well no actually
51:28 everyone except for mine mine’s the only
51:30 district i think that doesn’t really get impacted by this uh
51:33 change too much so that’s where i stand on
51:35 this i don’t know where you guys stand on this but i guess that’s
51:37 what we will discuss at this point
51:39 don’t everybody i’ll jump at once all right um yeah i i think it’s
51:53 uh uh well thank you very much for
51:55 doing what you did taking the time and uh how to wrap that up to
51:59 say that we all are independently
52:02 thinking about this um you said that nicely same here i’ve said
52:07 it from the very beginning um don’t
52:11 want to reinvent the wheel there are going to be positives and
52:14 negatives we can sit here for for many
52:16 many months coming up with uh scenarios and you know a couple
52:21 years from now i don’t think we’re going to
52:23 look back and say i wish we would have did the boundaries in a
52:29 different way i mean when we’re
52:32 all off the board it’ll just be new people and uh regardless of
52:36 where we live so i’m with megan on
52:39 this i i’m just i just i’m just i don’t want to spend any any of
52:43 the district’s money if we don’t have to
52:46 and you know i’m all for the uh the county commission boundaries
52:50 they’ve already taken the time and the
52:52 effort and spent the money so that’s where i’ve been since day
52:56 one as well thank you mr truant miss jenkins
53:00 so you’re right um it’s not about the board members individually
53:06 because they aren’t permanent
53:08 but it is about our students our staff and the communities in
53:13 which we represent
53:15 and adopting the county commission map doesn’t make that a
53:20 priority uh it’s clear it’s evident when
53:24 one district will have 21 schools seven of which are secondary
53:28 schools and another district would be
53:30 left with 12. um that’s not in the best interest of students and
53:36 staff
53:39 i have the least amount of um personal buy-in for this
53:45 conversation because whether or not we adopt
53:49 the county commission or completely redraw this map the
53:51 likelihood of me staying in district three is
53:53 basically impossible so my perspective is completely unselfish i
53:58 believe it’s our role and responsibility to
54:00 do what’s best for our students our staff and the communities
54:03 that we serve
54:03 what i’ve found interesting from day one of this conversation is
54:16 that we forget the part where
54:18 the county commissioners had the opportunity and the authority
54:23 to draw the maps in which we’re looking
54:25 at right now and so essentially by adopting their maps you’re
54:29 relinquishing your control and your
54:32 responsibility and authority that you were given by the voters
54:34 who voted you in to make that decision
54:36 i’m not comfortable with that either their role and
54:40 responsibility is very different than ours the
54:42 reason they drew their maps was for their own purposes and their
54:46 roles in representing the counties
54:47 and the areas that they were voted into so that makes no sense
54:52 to me
54:54 personally i think that if we’re going to redraw the map it
54:58 needs to have significant changes to it
55:00 districts three four and five are way larger than one and two
55:04 districts four and five are proposed to continue to grow
55:08 there’s no reason
55:10 to not look at this completely differently again
55:13 an unselfish conversation because i will very much be drawn out
55:17 of my district
55:19 um i think disenfranchising a hundred thousand voters to not be
55:23 able to vote in the next election that they were expecting to
55:26 vote in
55:26 is unfortunate
55:30 um i think
55:32 i’m just going to tell it like it is i think having a
55:35 conversation in the beginning of this
55:37 where we talk about cutting in one board member and not another
55:41 just shows where your priorities lie
55:47 if you adopt those county commission maps i i hope you expect to
55:50 have a very packed room of angry people
55:53 because that’s what’s going to happen because you’re not
55:57 representing the constituents within the
56:00 within the entire county i think it’s a self-serving decision i’m
56:04 completely against it
56:07 again i have no personal buy-in quite frankly i would love to be
56:10 in another district to vote against
56:12 somebody i think this is just i think this is foolish i think we’re
56:16 relinquishing our role
56:18 and responsibility and i don’t think we’re doing what’s in the
56:20 best interest of our students and our staff
56:24 thank you ms jenkins ms campbell sure i’ve got a couple
56:27 questions before i make my comments um i have
56:32 on the slide i guess it’s the last slide with the information
56:38 there was a and on the timeline there
56:40 was mention of adopting the resolution no later than august 22nd
56:44 is there i know in my conversation with
56:48 you i i’d shared my personal feelings is i want to go ahead and
56:51 get this done by the simer for potential
56:53 candidates just out of fairness because that gives them exactly
56:55 one year before their election so i
56:57 don’t know if that was what the thought because i don’t think we’re
56:59 i think our actual statutory
57:00 limitations are this calendar year odd odd year is that that’s
57:05 correct right okay so it’s not
57:07 necessarily the adoption of the resolution by august 22nd it’s
57:11 not necessarily a mandate it’s just a
57:14 a goal correct okay just want to make sure um and then i you
57:20 know so just sharing different thoughts
57:24 you said something about um within the conversation with mr babanik
57:28 about the new voter cards i don’t
57:31 know about the rest of the board members but i get a new voter
57:32 registration card every single year
57:34 regardless of anything changes or not they just send them out
57:37 fresh and new every year and i cut it out
57:39 put it in my wallet throw the other one away um it’s just
57:42 something that they have done routinely unless
57:44 they’re making a change i think they do it all the time i also
57:48 wonder i personally my preference
57:50 between the two options would be option one um i you know it it
57:55 is
57:55 17 000 difference but it is 17 000 and i think that we could you
58:05 know looking at it gets the job done the
58:08 things that it doesn’t do is the sig more significant boundary
58:11 changes i disagree
58:11 miss jenkins respectfully with the making bigger changes because
58:15 i my priority is for us to make
58:17 as few changes as possible and i’ll go on with that in just a
58:21 minute and then i i like i like that we
58:23 have interactive interactive mapping tool but i think what we
58:25 miss in having the virtual meetings i think
58:27 that is something we could do in-house if we had to maybe not
58:29 with the same level of expertise but we could
58:32 facilitate something like that if we you know if we were in a
58:34 tight um so i i will be quite honest with
58:42 you guys it the only there’s only one board member because we
58:45 had this conversation two years ago that
58:46 it was absolutely clear that from day one that this was his
58:49 position because he’s been very clear from day
58:52 one but i’ll be honest i have yet to hear a really solid reason
58:56 for making this drastic change this is a
58:58 drastic change the people the only people who i’ve ever heard
59:02 complain and you know i’ve just been
59:04 on the board for four and a half years ran two campaigns the
59:08 only people who i ever hear complain
59:10 about us not being aligned are people from breck and you know
59:14 for people who are actively campaigning
59:16 because most of the people that’s the brevard republican
59:19 executive committee for those who are not aware
59:21 or political terminology and not even all of them and when they’ve
59:25 said why can’t it be it would be
59:27 easier for campaigning it would be easier but that’s not our
59:29 goal is to make it easier for campaigning
59:31 um our i don’t you know even if we have different goals i don’t
59:35 think that i haven’t heard that
59:37 spoken as any of our goals and when i have shared with them what
59:41 it would mean as far as
59:42 the number of voters who would not get to vote in the next
59:45 election who thought they were going to
59:46 being 42 000 it wasn’t 100 000 it was that’s a total number of
59:50 disruption but it’s only 42 000 that would
59:52 not get to vote in the next election um who were supposed to and
59:57 other if we had not made any changes
59:59 that that makes a difference to them and it makes a difference
1:00:03 to me and i i do have a problem i mean
1:00:06 i know mr gibbs i’m going to trust him i know he’s shared us
1:00:09 with that you know that we can do we can
1:00:12 draw the lines and draw the lines with me outside the district
1:00:15 five i still don’t like it it’s not
1:00:17 about me running again i still don’t like the idea of
1:00:20 representing people and i certainly my one of my
1:00:23 things that i have said from day one is to make the is to not um
1:00:28 create any new precincts to move make
1:00:31 the changes we move precinct by precinct if at all possible i
1:00:34 think that’s what they’ve suggested that we
1:00:36 could do don’t want to have to create new precincts split new pranks
1:00:40 precincts put some put them together
1:00:41 and when i had my conversation with mr bobanic he uh with those
1:00:44 the things we talked about and by the
1:00:46 way he said i i thank you guys for reaching out to him he said
1:00:49 he’d be willing to come and talk to us
1:00:52 as well so we can clear up conversation you had with him and she
1:00:55 had with him and i had with him so we
1:00:57 are all on the same page and and clearly having this
1:00:59 conversation regardless of what we decide to do
1:01:01 um you know one of us said something about reinventing the wheel
1:01:08 exactly i don’t want us to reinvent the
1:01:11 wheel changing our school board boundaries to match the county
1:01:14 commissioners we are reinventing this wheel
1:01:17 we are recreating we are making major drastic changes and i just
1:01:22 if i say about the same thing
1:01:24 multiple ways i’m sorry i on you know and i apologize if
1:01:26 sometimes when we get on this issue i
1:01:29 i seem like a little bit of a tasmanian devil on the inside i am
1:01:31 feeling a little tasmanian devil
1:01:33 because i’ve to me we’re making huge changes with something that
1:01:37 is very close
1:01:41 to being how it needs to be we have really great population when
1:01:46 we have the conversation i very
1:01:48 much appreciated it when we have these conversations and the
1:01:51 priorities i you know it was asked of me
1:01:53 by annalee you know you know what do you think about your
1:01:56 community i’m like you know what when
1:01:57 i look at my community and the community of every district i see
1:02:01 that balanced population i see in every
1:02:04 district a some areas of affluence and some areas of poverty
1:02:10 some title ones
1:02:11 schools and some non-title one areas i see you know just the the
1:02:16 difference you know we have a
1:02:19 really great balance right now and so making minimal changes to
1:02:22 that leaves us with that good balance and
1:02:24 won’t create those districts that have a larger population of
1:02:28 people who don’t have families people
1:02:30 don’t have kids um and so we’re and that that affects your
1:02:35 voting population you know and all of that so
1:02:40 and i also don’t think we’re not talking about many many months
1:02:42 i mean unless you’re you we’re not
1:02:45 ready to make this decision today so regardless i mean if if the
1:02:48 majority of the board kind of sounds
1:02:50 like we’re going there have already made up their mind then you
1:02:53 could put it on the ballot at the
1:02:54 next board meeting and let’s just say we’re doing it we’re
1:02:57 adopting the kind of commission lines so we
1:02:59 won’t spend even 57 000 we won’t do we don’t need to do public
1:03:03 engagement public engagement is if they
1:03:05 want to sign for public comment they can do that if y’all are
1:03:07 ready to do that then roll and we’ll we’ll do it but i
1:03:10 i i don’t but even if we don’t do that even we walk through this
1:03:13 process we’re not talking about
1:03:15 many months we’re talking about today is april 25th we’re
1:03:17 talking about less than four right at four
1:03:20 months of a process and could be even faster if we do the option
1:03:24 one and we’re done by june and then
1:03:26 we get it rolled we do adopt the resolution by july i mean it
1:03:29 doesn’t have to which so we’re talking about
1:03:31 three months there’s no reason you know to say that it’s many
1:03:35 months and this adopting the county commission
1:03:38 lines i’m going to say again it’s not the simplest option it’s
1:03:41 not 42 000 people i’m going to say it
1:03:45 one more time 42 000 people who were who are in district three
1:03:50 or four who would be moved out of
1:03:52 district three or four and we’re going to have some we can’t do
1:03:54 this without moving some people
1:03:56 but i would prefer a plan we’re removing a little precinct here
1:03:59 a little precinct there to make us even to
1:04:01 make us within the in the percentages but then we’ve only moved
1:04:06 a couple of thousand people
1:04:08 out of the next election we can’t avoid it all and i will commit
1:04:14 to you if we’ll go through this
1:04:16 process i’m not going to cherry pick which precinct and say no i
1:04:18 really want that precinct no i really
1:04:20 want no i i’m willing to be fair about it but i think we need to
1:04:25 keep this to me simple is
1:04:27 just do what the county commission did moved one precinct two
1:04:30 precinct we can’t get away with one
1:04:32 because the ways ours are drawn but move one or two three at max
1:04:37 just do the the what we can do to get it even
1:04:41 but to disrupt as few voters as possible to disrupt the balance
1:04:45 that we currently have
1:04:47 of to me really well demographically defined districts i hope
1:04:53 that you all took advantage i
1:04:55 asked tammy to look up the last two rounds and i hope you guys
1:04:57 took advantage of that and read through
1:04:59 those notes because what i saw even down to 2001 um
1:05:02 unfortunately the minutes stopped in october but
1:05:04 where they stopped in october was they were working with the
1:05:07 county commission to redraw the lines and
1:05:08 in october they said we’re not doing that anymore and i had a
1:05:11 conversation with janice kershaw who was
1:05:13 in my seat at the time and she didn’t really remember a lot of
1:05:16 details of it but they for them it came
1:05:17 down to schools and then if you look at 2011 they considered it
1:05:21 again they considered could we could
1:05:24 we go with the county commission lines and they didn’t they
1:05:26 actually made really pretty good size
1:05:28 changes um because they were like 34 percentage points out of
1:05:33 compliance um so we’re definitely not
1:05:37 sitting there so they made some pretty big changes and had a lot
1:05:39 of community feedback um but you know
1:05:42 again they got it done without going even though the option was
1:05:45 available to them of matching the
1:05:47 county commission lines go back and read through the minutes and
1:05:50 um you’ll see they they chose not
1:05:52 to do that and again it part of it is the different purposes
1:05:56 that we have we don’t really all have
1:05:59 to touch the beach we don’t really all have to touch the indian
1:06:02 river lagoon because we don’t take we
1:06:04 don’t those aren’t our kind of issues thank you miss campbell um
1:06:10 i proposed this two years ago
1:06:12 unselfishly we were in a situation where the county commission
1:06:16 had reached out and asked during that
1:06:19 time are you guys going to get moving on your redistricting okay
1:06:22 and what ended up happening is is
1:06:24 that we were in a situation where our i brought it up and said
1:06:28 there’s two options here we can do an
1:06:30 accelerated redistricting just along the same number of times
1:06:34 that you just had spoken to
1:06:35 but the main thing was is if we just mirrored the county
1:06:38 commission this thing could be fixed
1:06:40 so we were out of compliance at that time mr bubonic had been
1:06:43 sending emails over to us asking us
1:06:45 to redistrict because of the situation that he had he was he had
1:06:49 expressed his discontent with our
1:06:51 district because of the behavior of us not responding to him and
1:06:54 not going back so what i had proposed was an
1:06:58 unselfish two years ago let’s move forward with something and
1:07:01 this board decided not to um that
1:07:05 meant that for the next two years we were out of compliance the
1:07:09 next thing is is that i hear over
1:07:11 and over again this thing that we can’t support students because
1:07:14 the physical location of the
1:07:16 school is not in our in our screen statutory law says that we
1:07:20 have to follow all students to be represented
1:07:24 not just where the location of the school is at so when i sit
1:07:28 there and i drive around and i knock on
1:07:31 doors and it’s in rockledge and the students go to anderson and
1:07:35 the same confusion which i will tell you
1:07:37 many people along the campaign trail along the times that i’m
1:07:42 knocking on doors do say to me how is it and
1:07:45 the reason is is that my district i think is the most impacted
1:07:48 so i have i think every single county
1:07:51 difference of county commission in my district so the bottom
1:07:54 line is is that when i’m knocking on doors
1:07:56 i see it a lot where people say well i thought i was in school
1:07:59 board district four or district three
1:08:01 because of what i have for the county commission the other thing
1:08:04 that i would say is is that our schools
1:08:08 we have representation i already i already went through it you
1:08:11 can move mcnair saturn gulfview
1:08:14 over to district one you can move sable croton over to district
1:08:17 three there’s all kinds of options
1:08:19 where the majority of students are inside another district where
1:08:21 the physical location of the school
1:08:23 is in another so if it’s the schools which is not even by
1:08:25 statute that we’re supposed to do it that way
1:08:28 is the can is the part then doing it that way evens it out and
1:08:31 we can get to a more equal
1:08:33 position doing that to say that we’re going to sit here and draw
1:08:36 the districts based on the physical
1:08:38 location of the schools is impossible because the bottom line is
1:08:42 is that gene has mr trent has so
1:08:44 many i have many it would be literally work over work over work
1:08:48 to try to get there so we’re going to
1:08:50 have to go to a place where we just literally sit back and say
1:08:52 okay the majority students here or some
1:08:55 of the students there and we just equal it out and i will tell
1:08:58 you that we can represent a school
1:09:00 because not because the physical location is inside of our
1:09:02 district but the actual students are there
1:09:04 and just the simple fact that i’ve seen all of you go around and
1:09:07 actually represent many of the other
1:09:09 schools in many different ways in a positive thing so i have i
1:09:12 have the belief that you guys can do that
1:09:14 going on to cleaning up the districts there seems to be this
1:09:18 precincts there seems to be this thing
1:09:21 where mr bobonic is saying one thing look he has come forward
1:09:26 and said if i asked you guys two years
1:09:29 to go to do this there’s emails that were sent you didn’t do it
1:09:32 no matter what you do we’re going
1:09:33 to have to impact people so whether we do it with the county
1:09:36 commission or we do it minimally or we
1:09:38 do it like miss jenkins said majorly those people are going to
1:09:41 be represented he’s going to have to
1:09:43 send out the cards that’s just what’s going to happen and it was
1:09:45 part of the presentation over here
1:09:46 so we’re going to impact people no matter what so the argument
1:09:49 isn’t that we’re not going to impact
1:09:51 people it’s just maybe we impact less people if we go the other
1:09:55 way so the other component is is that
1:09:59 this increased costs at a time where we’re trying to reallocate
1:10:02 towards different priorities we’re
1:10:04 also going to be increasing staff time because if we go with the
1:10:07 county commission then the staff time
1:10:09 gets sent up and i mean there’s no doubt that we have currently
1:10:13 policies that we can’t even get to
1:10:16 right now that are out of compliance we have a new
1:10:18 superintendent coming we have a new super strategic
1:10:21 plan coming we have a huge amount of um situation where we’re
1:10:25 going to be going through the budget
1:10:27 which all of those meetings that she had put down on there are
1:10:29 going to be allocated towards the budget
1:10:31 we’ve only gone through two thousand out of the nine thousand we
1:10:34 have literally so much stuff to do
1:10:36 that this is going to impact it so from a cost perspective from
1:10:39 staff’s times perspective from the
1:10:41 impact inside the community from i i would say that this is the
1:10:45 best case scenario i would also want to
1:10:48 make the argument that there are many counties across the state
1:10:53 that have this that match the county
1:10:56 commissions there are many that don’t that is a moot point and
1:10:59 where we draw our lines does not make a
1:11:02 difference of if we represent kids i have many schools that i
1:11:05 represent the kids that aren’t inside my
1:11:07 district so anyways with that i think that there’s a majority
1:11:11 that move towards that i would like to
1:11:13 have a second round of discussion please if you wouldn’t mind
1:11:15 miss miss campbell then please when we
1:11:18 come to the two thousand um proposals don’t try to say we don’t
1:11:22 have enough time for the the rest of the
1:11:25 board meeting mr susan i just like there’s three people that
1:11:29 have given yeah but there are three
1:11:31 people meeting no no miss miss jenkins miss jenkins i don’t like
1:11:37 to be dismissed by any side nobody does
1:11:41 nobody does but i i rather than wrap it up tight because you’ve
1:11:44 got it wrapped up with a bow you get
1:11:46 to go around first round we can have a second round we’re not
1:11:48 done yet we’re not done yet because you brought
1:11:52 up some new issues and you addressed some of the issues that i’ve
1:11:54 addressed or other people have
1:11:56 addressed but you haven’t addressed all of them you brought
1:11:57 something up new and talked about two
1:11:59 years ago so i would like to share two years ago which will be
1:12:01 in the minutes it will be on the video
1:12:03 with the conversations that we had yes we had the opportunity to
1:12:06 two years ago to have this
1:12:07 conversation it was presented by miss hand at the last board
1:12:11 meeting that the census data did not
1:12:13 come out until late the county commissioners got a late start
1:12:17 with their very long process and what i
1:12:19 recall you asking us to do was to say absolutely what you said
1:12:22 let’s just go along with whatever
1:12:24 the county commissioners do but at that point it was going to be
1:12:28 going along blindly because they
1:12:30 were in the process they didn’t know what they were doing they
1:12:32 did not vote on what they were going to
1:12:35 do until november and i as a board member who was on the board
1:12:38 with you at the time was not willing to
1:12:40 say yes to whatever the county commissioners do not knowing what
1:12:44 they’re going to do i was not willing
1:12:45 to do that and by the time we had the decision that they had
1:12:49 made in november we had from november to
1:12:52 december with a christmas break and a thanksgiving break in
1:12:55 there to make to go through this process
1:12:57 and to see and to do our own process which does not have to be
1:13:01 as long and complicated but then we were
1:13:03 short on time and we couldn’t and we couldn’t control that and i
1:13:07 was not i’m not going to blindly
1:13:08 say yes to what another entity is going to do not having any
1:13:11 idea how it’s going to affect us i’m
1:13:13 not going to say yes ahead of time and write them a blank check
1:13:16 for a decision that is our job to make
1:13:19 so i’m just going to clarify that yes you brought it up and you’ve
1:13:21 said that many many times you brought
1:13:23 it up we’re out of compliance we were out of compliance this
1:13:26 much they were out of compliance that much
1:13:28 they got their job done but we did not have time and our general
1:13:32 counsel told us at the time we were
1:13:34 close enough to deal with it and we would push it off to 2023
1:13:38 because that was the next opportunity that
1:13:40 we had we’ve talked about cost increases i hear you i hear you
1:13:44 but we’re talking about 57 000 so
1:13:48 unless you’ve got another cost increase because the supervisor
1:13:50 of elections in cabin conversation
1:13:52 with our consultants has explained it is not an increased cost
1:13:55 to them unless we do something like
1:13:57 create new precincts they have to print all the same things so
1:14:00 we’re not talking about extra increase
1:14:02 and when you talk about too much work to do i hear you mr seusson
1:14:06 i am tired i’m exhausted and i know
1:14:08 i’m looking at the next few months and i know we’ve got so much
1:14:10 work to do and i am committed to do it
1:14:12 and i’ll get up early and stay up late and do whatever i have to
1:14:16 do to get it done but i’m not going to
1:14:17 dismiss this as an issue that’s not as important because we can
1:14:21 just so quickly and glibly take care of it i
1:14:25 i am i am opposed to this i believe there are people when they
1:14:30 realize who who they are that
1:14:32 will be affected will be opposed to this and i hope they speak
1:14:35 up if this is what happens i will once
1:14:38 the decision is made go along and the schools yes i would like
1:14:41 to have an even number schools i hear you
1:14:43 we can be creative and yes we represent all schools and i think
1:14:46 i have done a pretty good job of that
1:14:48 myself too but we’re talking that you have not answered to me
1:14:52 the big issue of the number of voters
1:14:55 who we’re shoving out of an election you have not addressed that
1:15:04 so so first and foremost mr bobanek wasn’t the supervisor of
1:15:15 elections two years ago just want
1:15:17 to make sure that that is clear i also spoke with him and it
1:15:21 appears that my conversation was very
1:15:24 similar to miss campbell’s and again when i specifically asked
1:15:28 him how would this make things
1:15:30 easier for the supervisor of elections he said well it’s
1:15:34 possible that we might be able to reduce the
1:15:36 number of precincts but i don’t know how many precincts would
1:15:39 even be impacted i don’t even know if we’ve
1:15:42 got that response yet it may be the most minimal number he doesn’t
1:15:46 know he said that very transparently
1:15:49 he also told me that you had articulated that one board member
1:15:57 would be displaced so if we’re
1:15:59 going to have this conversation let’s be transparent from the
1:16:02 get-go from the get-go have some integrity
1:16:05 we know where you’re coming from i understand the intention
1:16:09 one thing that’s really important for the community to realize
1:16:13 that we have not discussed publicly
1:16:15 is mr gibbs did send us a memo that said sure we can reside out
1:16:21 of our districts
1:16:23 but that opens us up to a financial liability of constituents suing
1:16:29 the school board for the two
1:16:31 members being out of their area so mr gibbs because i’m sure
1:16:35 that’ll be magically refuted for accuracy
1:16:38 can you please speak to that yeah i had mentioned that there is
1:16:42 a possibility that someone could try
1:16:44 and challenge a board member being out of their district the law
1:16:47 is pretty clear that uh the
1:16:49 board member would get to serve out their elected term so we
1:16:52 would have to defend the lawsuit so there
1:16:55 would be a financial impact to the district should someone sue
1:16:58 the district but i i’m not overly
1:17:00 concerned with the result of that lawsuit right so the law is
1:17:04 very clear but that doesn’t stop in a
1:17:08 politically divisive environment from constituents doing that in
1:17:12 which you will then take on the burden
1:17:14 and cost of that lawsuit just want to make that clear to the
1:17:18 public that’s your taxpayer money that
1:17:21 we’re risking um you know there was conversations about uh the
1:17:25 schools don’t matter we could represent
1:17:28 them all yada yada yada but county commission lines also don’t
1:17:33 take into effect attendance boundaries
1:17:36 either so i mean that’s not a thing nobody nobody’s talking
1:17:39 about trying to get the voters and the
1:17:41 students to live within your area that also go to the school
1:17:44 that’s that’s like virtually impossible
1:17:46 what it means is to have a balance of schools in which those
1:17:48 staff and parents and communities can reach
1:17:52 out to and establish an easy consistent connection with that’s
1:17:56 all that that means it doesn’t have
1:17:58 to do with the voters literally living inside of your district
1:18:01 and i think that’s a really reasonable
1:18:03 concept and request i think that’s what you’re going to hear
1:18:06 from the people who are potentially going
1:18:08 to be displaced by a decision of adopting the county commission
1:18:11 lines
1:18:13 the increase of staff time no that’s the point of hiring
1:18:18 potentially an outside consultant agency
1:18:22 miss hand when she met with us individually i would assume she
1:18:26 had the same conversation with
1:18:27 everyone not just with me requested and recommended that it go
1:18:32 outside of the district to not increase
1:18:34 staff time so that that shouldn’t be a concern at all um and
1:18:39 again the increase of cost this is a drop in
1:18:42 the in the bucket of our budget this is the responsibility that
1:18:46 we have statutorily to
1:18:47 our constituents and the taxpayers who fund our budget and again
1:18:51 if you have someone bring a lawsuit
1:18:54 to those two districts you’re going to eat that cost instantly
1:18:58 all right thank you miss han i think you have a majority of
1:19:05 individuals that want to move forward
1:19:06 with the county commission seats so with that what would you
1:19:09 like us to do sir the the only question i have
1:19:11 remaining is um i was contemplating a public engagement process
1:19:15 similar to what we did with the
1:19:17 attendance boundaries where we have a qr code and access on the
1:19:20 website to a google document where
1:19:21 people can comment and then we would provide that to the board
1:19:24 at the time of adoption um looking
1:19:26 at either may 30th or june 13th do you have a preference so we
1:19:32 make the action you can you would bring it forward on may 30th
1:19:37 yes i think i think may 30th would be the correct time
1:19:41 and the issue that we have is is that we’re going to be let’s
1:19:45 talk about how that communication goes out you
1:19:48 know what i mean so i just wanted to get a chance to speak back
1:19:51 for one second in regards to some of
1:19:53 the things that were said so um miss campbell one of the things
1:19:55 and i guess i haven’t clearly conveyed
1:19:57 this um the reason that i like the county commissioners plan so
1:20:00 much is that there is room for variance for
1:20:03 growth it gets us well below that 10 mark that we’re supposed to
1:20:06 be at it’s 8.5 but i mean it gets us below it so there is room
1:20:10 for growth with it
1:20:11 um and i don’t know i guess i didn’t act accurately convey that
1:20:15 to you um one of the other things i
1:20:17 guess that was said was in regards to the amount of voters which
1:20:19 you you took care of that it’s not
1:20:21 a hundred thousand voters it’s 40 something thousand voters that
1:20:24 it potentially impacts but again of
1:20:26 those voters um i would love to see all 40 000 of them vote in
1:20:30 an election but but they don’t um that’s
1:20:32 the reality when it comes to things that are you know school
1:20:34 board related usually um so again this to me i think
1:20:38 it makes the most sense but i understand why you guys feel
1:20:41 differently about it um i’m just telling
1:20:43 you that’s where i’m at with it all right thank you very much
1:20:49 next work session is on board policy 3500
1:20:55 remote work yes sir thank you the board had asked us to
1:20:59 accelerate that and uh miss green has done so
1:21:03 and uh if you have some any comments or uh questions about tell
1:21:08 you how excited i am about this this is a
1:21:10 argument in my private side that we fight all the time and i don’t
1:21:13 like it there but i really like
1:21:15 it here this is so we believe it’s going to be good for the
1:21:18 district as well so yeah
1:21:22 thank you do you need a microphone she does yeah i think mr
1:21:25 broom is coming up just up aside and let
1:21:27 uh doctor oh got it thank you mr susan miss hand board um at the
1:21:32 request of the board we have a
1:21:35 fast track our remote work policy this particular policy is not
1:21:39 required by any florida statute but by
1:21:43 um the availability and the things we’re able to do now in the
1:21:46 remote world we have had a pilot over
1:21:49 the last year that has been implemented um in our educational
1:21:53 technology department and uh the the pilot
1:22:00 this is a policy that um they have been working on for a year so
1:22:04 we have a little bit of background and
1:22:07 and work behind us and in this policy you find the forms that
1:22:11 are required the approval processes that
1:22:14 are required and the eligibility list for the non-bargaining
1:22:17 personnel that are eligible for the remote work
1:22:21 it follows the neola templates and the administrative procedures
1:22:27 are brevard’s implementation processes
1:22:31 thank you miss green is there anybody that wishes to speak on
1:22:34 this topic
1:22:35 yeah i just i want to say thank you um i think you probably were
1:22:41 in the room when i was having
1:22:43 these conversations over and over again about how important i
1:22:46 think this is for us to
1:22:49 modify and change the way we look at some of our positions here
1:22:54 at bps in order to keep up with the
1:22:56 ever-growing changing environment in the industry around us that
1:23:01 is pulling our staff members and
1:23:03 making it more and more difficult for us to recruit and retain
1:23:06 our staff members so thank you for
1:23:08 working on this so quickly i appreciate it thank you um thank
1:23:12 you dr green i just wanted to make one
1:23:17 request because i didn’t see this job description specifically
1:23:20 down at the bottom you had a list
1:23:22 of the employees who are or are not eligible can you please make
1:23:25 sure the administrative assistant to
1:23:27 the board is included in those who are eligible it was a new
1:23:31 list was uploaded this morning we had missed
1:23:34 some people in the mostly vacant positions and so we have
1:23:37 cleaned that up and she was the first one who noticed
1:23:40 that’s it she’s looking for her name so all right i think she
1:23:43 uploaded that this morning awesome thank you
1:23:46 oh i see it right there it’s number two yeah it’s right there uh
1:23:52 mr trent
1:23:53 now again i just think it’s catching up the times and thank you
1:23:59 for the work
1:24:02 i hope we use this as a marketing tool because i think this will
1:24:04 actually attract some people to
1:24:06 our district that that will look at this and say hey a remote
1:24:08 opportunity to work is something that
1:24:09 they’re interested in so i’m excited about this mr cheatham is
1:24:12 just waiting for that yeah it is like
1:24:15 yes so they’re cheering us on so we’re excited about this thank
1:24:17 you so much i think i uh sentiment of
1:24:20 the board members uh it was specifically losing people in
1:24:24 interviews because other companies are going
1:24:27 remote and there’s a couple people that are pretty high up in
1:24:29 our organization that we’re going to
1:24:31 possibly go to another place because it based upon this so i i’m
1:24:34 really proud moving forward i thank
1:24:36 the pilot group i thank all of your work miss green i think that
1:24:39 this is a great thing so thank you very
1:24:41 much i think we’re all in positive support so move forth and do
1:24:45 great things right um next session
1:24:47 work session is board policy 5511 dressing and grooming yes sir
1:24:54 um mr gibbs had sent some
1:24:57 additional information out to board members some survey results
1:25:00 as requested by the board i think
1:25:01 we’re ready to discuss that uh dr brebley was not able to be
1:25:04 here with us today but we’ll do our best
1:25:06 to try to respond to questions if dr cody uh would mind joining
1:25:10 us at the table i think the um everybody’s
1:25:14 aware and maybe the public’s not that there was a survey that
1:25:16 went out to our students and it came back
1:25:18 with a lot of responses i think that that was a great idea um uh
1:25:21 in the process of doing this i think my
1:25:24 concern has always been that we’re able to do this ahead of the
1:25:27 the next year and it’s been indicated
1:25:28 from staff that we definitely can take this in like we should
1:25:31 and move forward i think even though the
1:25:34 students are not part of our policy or our voter group they are
1:25:38 our voter group like so are they’re
1:25:40 part of our demographics and we should listen to them as much as
1:25:43 possible so um great idea i open the
1:25:47 floor for conversation miss jenkins do you want to go first do
1:25:50 you are you guys presenting anything or
1:25:54 i mean i think i don’t think we’re prepared to present anything
1:25:57 in dr webley’s absence that’s what
1:25:58 a thought you have some comments we’ll follow up i feel like we
1:26:00 had a healthy conversation last time
1:26:02 i think it’s yep yep miss campbell um okay mr trent no i just
1:26:08 want to hear what they have to say
1:26:10 we’re good mr jenkins i i i i’m sorry i was gonna i would just
1:26:17 like to say that we have a lot of
1:26:20 responses that we got and these came in yesterday afternoon i
1:26:23 think around 5 p.m um so uh in all
1:26:27 trends yeah and transparency here i have not had the chance to
1:26:30 process through 150 pages of comments
1:26:33 that we have in this this uh spreadsheet here so i i want to
1:26:38 hear what the students have to say because
1:26:40 this is going to directly impact them and so i think we talked
1:26:43 about this a little bit last time on the
1:26:44 fact that maybe we should move this one more meeting out just to
1:26:47 give adequate time to go through
1:26:49 everything and make sure we’re getting this right mr gibbs that
1:26:51 will still keep us on the same timeline in
1:26:54 order to we’ll push it we’ll have to re-advertise and push it
1:26:57 but we can move it to the work have this
1:26:59 work session and on may 9th it’ll go public hearing may 30th for
1:27:04 final approval june i think 11th and
1:27:07 that would still be well before school starts yeah and dr webley
1:27:09 confirmed that that would still be
1:27:10 time to incorporate those changes into the code of conduct which
1:27:14 is right now out for revisions so
1:27:16 this month they’re working on those or through may they’re
1:27:19 working on those revisions those revisions
1:27:21 are due i believe may 1st right chris hey somewhere around there
1:27:25 okay so we had a conversation sorry
1:27:28 you’re good you had a conversation we just had a conversation
1:27:31 about printing and i actually i think
1:27:33 maybe i was a little out of date that we don’t actually print
1:27:36 the dress code in the planners we
1:27:38 it’s all virtual digital dr webley said they print on request so
1:27:42 if there’s somebody that wants them and
1:27:44 they might print like a so many to put in their front office so
1:27:48 you can write them well and the truth
1:27:50 is i thought about it the dress code is different at many
1:27:52 schools so um uh because they can have tighter
1:27:55 if the uniforms whatever no i’m in agreement i think we need to
1:27:59 spend the our due diligence looking over
1:28:01 these uh this data and uh look at some more red lines and i know
1:28:05 i’ve had some more community feedback
1:28:07 too and talked to some principals too and so i i’m in favor of
1:28:10 moving it off one more i think um if i
1:28:15 can be correct on this you would even though the component of
1:28:18 this we do need to have some sort of a policy
1:28:21 ready for the next board meeting so that we um what i think the
1:28:25 proper process would be for us to review
1:28:27 these and then set an individual meeting with either miss hand
1:28:30 or miss cody and say these are the things
1:28:32 that we’re seeing and then you bring back to that meeting the
1:28:35 next is that about the correct process
1:28:38 you’re thinking you could do it that way i know in the packet
1:28:40 that i sent yesterday student services
1:28:43 and dr webley provided me a red line uh that they tried to
1:28:46 incorporate a lot of the changes into it so
1:28:49 you can look at that as well and say you agree or you don’t
1:28:52 agree with it when you meet with staff
1:28:53 and that would be fun if everybody’s okay with that kind of a
1:28:56 direction you know what i mean i think
1:28:58 that that’s pretty good because i’m reading and i want the
1:29:01 public to understand that there’s this
1:29:04 conception out there that the students are advocating for like
1:29:08 less dress code and it’s and if you read
1:29:10 some of these there are some of those but there’s completely the
1:29:13 opposite where many of our students
1:29:14 are actually saying stop this from going on and i was i was the
1:29:18 i mean you look at number one i mean
1:29:20 it’s pretty it’s pretty good so um i think that there’s a good
1:29:24 uh response from our students and
1:29:26 if that’s okay with the direction i think that that would be the
1:29:29 best thing just understand board members
1:29:30 that when this thing gets published in you know what i mean in
1:29:33 seven days or whenever for the next one
1:29:35 before march or may 9th that if there’s any changes that need to
1:29:38 be made we need to get it ahead of the
1:29:39 the actual meeting so that it’s it’s in there and i think there’s
1:29:42 going to be some more meetings added
1:29:45 so it might have a shorter window when you go to notice because
1:29:48 of the extra meetings that are being
1:29:50 noticed anyway so it’s not a it’s not going to hurt us by
1:29:52 waiting an entire meeting anyway when i advertise
1:29:55 it this week it’s going to be on that schedule so yeah i have to
1:29:58 advertise it for those dates yep and
1:30:00 we’ll have those days probably you’re going to advertise it for
1:30:03 a workshop on may 9th or you’re going to
1:30:04 advertise yeah this this is the board’s opportunity to make
1:30:07 changes so this meeting will now move
1:30:09 to may 9th and then the first public hearing will be may 30th so
1:30:13 that’s where if you make
1:30:14 changes at that we’re re-advertising and kicking it off again so
1:30:18 okay so wait so we normally have
1:30:20 like a workshop like this that’ll be may 9th right and you can
1:30:23 make changes if we don’t make changes
1:30:25 if you don’t make changes there on may 30th you cannot make
1:30:28 changes otherwise we start over again
1:30:30 right our next workshop we need to be prepared to write changes
1:30:32 that we want to see in the policy
1:30:34 and then if it goes through that policy when’s the final date
1:30:36 that it gets approved the first one in
1:30:38 june would be the public hearing number two which will give us
1:30:41 enough time because the other thing
1:30:42 is we’re not just printing something that we’re handing to
1:30:44 people we also have to educate staff we
1:30:46 have to create all the other pieces that that takes a little bit
1:30:49 of time so i think the direction’s
1:30:50 great i like some of these uh these responses and so if you guys
1:30:54 are okay does anybody else have any
1:30:55 comments on this one we got some funny responses we have
1:30:58 somebody who’s advocating for clown shoes
1:31:01 listen listen i i think these are these are kind of funny yeah
1:31:05 all right thank you everybody
1:31:07 doing pretty good on this one um with nothing else the next
1:31:09 topic is conscious discipline discussion
1:31:12 yes sir mrs wright had asked for board discussion on this item
1:31:18 and we have just provided some
1:31:19 information as to where we are with the program uh happy to
1:31:29 answer any questions that you may have
1:31:36 all right uh the main reason i wanted to bring this up was uh at
1:31:41 the last board meeting you know i
1:31:43 brought up the question about conscious discipline and the cost
1:31:45 that we were going to incur to put 225 of
1:31:48 our educators through conscious discipline training and felt
1:31:51 that we could possibly look at taking that
1:31:54 those funds and using that for a different type of training so i’m
1:31:59 glad that staff has put together
1:32:02 something that now looks like we currently have purchased
1:32:05 conscious discipline it’s something that’s not
1:32:08 incurring any additional cost for the schools that are currently
1:32:10 participating in it is that correct
1:32:13 i believe we had uh four or five sessions towards like the last
1:32:18 couple of weeks that were scheduled but
1:32:20 that’s the only thing that we have that we have that we’ll need
1:32:22 to pay for okay um in regards to the
1:32:26 funds that were allocated those uh i thought it was 225 000 but
1:32:31 this is now i do have a question in
1:32:34 regards to this last uh page four of this presentation so it’s
1:32:37 saying that the funds that were allocated are now
1:32:40 have been reallocated to different how does that happen just out
1:32:44 of curiosity because i thought
1:32:46 that would come before us so in our federal programs the board
1:32:50 annually looks at our federal program sort
1:32:52 of scope of work typically that’s done in june july august kind
1:32:56 of time frame and then if there’s an
1:32:58 amendment those amendments are approved by the superintendent so
1:33:01 the board looks at the the overall program under the
1:33:04 information agenda so there there’s not actual board approval of
1:33:09 the title one two three four um title
1:33:13 nine programs so you but you do see it for any comments and
1:33:17 perspective and then as they are amended
1:33:20 through the course of the year those are amended through the
1:33:23 superintendent’s office
1:33:26 okay um i guess my question still still it remains a little bit
1:33:32 on because we were it was presented
1:33:35 before us to approve the 225 000 for the conscious discipline
1:33:39 and so i again you know i got several
1:33:41 emails what do you plan on doing with this what do you plan on
1:33:43 doing with this and uh so again looking
1:33:45 at different training programs that are out there so we still
1:33:48 need to look at different training programs
1:33:51 that are out there there are other sources of funding including
1:33:54 this one that can be available for
1:33:56 those other sources of funding this particular funding was a rollover
1:34:00 uh rollover from the previous
1:34:02 year so we needed to get it expended by august so that’s why we
1:34:05 we put it in as an amendment to get that done
1:34:08 okay but if there are other programs that we want to fund these
1:34:12 federal programs are available to do so
1:34:16 so those two are not mutually exclusive okay all right well it’s
1:34:19 something that i would like for us
1:34:21 to to consider moving forward there’s several things that our
1:34:25 our district needs to look at um one of
1:34:27 the things that i’m very passionate about is this k-3 reading
1:34:30 that we need to focus in on um and so i’ve
1:34:32 been looking into the orton gillingham program as far as
1:34:35 training some of our educators on this and the
1:34:37 success that they’ve had and so i just want us to be thinking
1:34:41 about this as i gather more information and
1:34:44 bring it back forward because i think this is something that
1:34:46 could be impactful that we will see
1:34:47 tremendous dividends on over the course of years if we could
1:34:50 focus on getting our teachers
1:34:52 up to date and trained on this hang on let me just ask her so
1:34:57 what you’re what i what i’m hearing
1:34:59 you say in the charge to the board is there’s a the money that
1:35:02 was down there at the bottom on i think
1:35:04 it was page four you had concerns about it going there because
1:35:07 you wanted to try to possibly reallocate
1:35:08 towards something else well that that is true but it sounds like
1:35:11 from his hand it’s not either or
1:35:13 correct correct okay so if there are other other training
1:35:16 programs the board would like us to
1:35:18 explore we have the opportunity to do so as we’re developing our
1:35:21 federal programs for the upcoming
1:35:23 sounds good so who decided or you decided this right that
1:35:25 somebody presented this to you or something
1:35:27 i guess i just wasn’t clear on that process on how that happened
1:35:30 so uh dr sullivan and i got together
1:35:32 on this and she recommended that we could utilize the funds in
1:35:35 an expeditious manner for something we
1:35:37 needed to do and so we repurposed them in this manner okay and
1:35:41 the only reason is i mean that that money
1:35:44 really was kind of earmarked for professional development of
1:35:47 some sort right i mean it’s a training
1:35:49 can i please title four is actually not our professional
1:35:54 development grant title two
1:35:57 is the conscious discipline applied to title four because of the
1:36:01 second scope of work that is targeted
1:36:03 on student well-being discipline counseling and support so it
1:36:07 actually fit into the grant not as a
1:36:09 professional development item but as a discipline item the grant
1:36:13 has three specific scopes of which
1:36:15 we can apply for so we generally will keep we call it a
1:36:19 graveyard of things that we either underfund or
1:36:23 priorities that don’t make it and we try to always stick with
1:36:27 previously identified board priorities to
1:36:29 fill those gaps none of that’s been approved just prioritizing
1:36:33 but this grant is not the professional
1:36:35 development grant we have a title ii grant that is and then we
1:36:39 can always adjust and make professional
1:36:42 development requirements reading actually wouldn’t fit into the
1:36:45 title four grant it would not it would
1:36:47 not all right thank you but there is there’s we can we we
1:36:52 generally will adjust based on the timelines
1:36:55 and i feel really confident that if the board lands on a
1:36:58 different priority as miss hand said
1:37:00 we can work through the amendment process and readjust
1:37:04 priorities okay yeah all right thank you thank you
1:37:07 miss sullivan i think um miss campbell yep um so thank you for
1:37:11 clarifying that on the the purposes of
1:37:13 the title four grant i appreciate that and just um to address i
1:37:18 think some were a concern i heard in
1:37:20 there miss right you know if if any of these items are over 50
1:37:23 000 it will it will come back to us right
1:37:25 that’s why the other one came back to it came to us because it
1:37:28 was within the scope of the grant but it
1:37:30 was over 50 000 so the superintendent can’t approve that by
1:37:33 himself by herself um the i i just uh last
1:37:38 night uh mr susan miss jenkins and myself attended the bright
1:37:42 nehemiah
1:37:43 action my action event there was a lot of stuff there was yeah
1:37:49 and so one of the things that they
1:37:51 were challenged i don’t know if you guys got a chance to meet
1:37:53 with bright but um they were talking about
1:37:55 science of reading and i had i i called jane klein yesterday and
1:37:58 said hey where are we on the science
1:38:00 of reading and she shared with me about the work that we’re
1:38:02 already doing to train our in this this
1:38:06 great body of research has come out you know getting rid of the
1:38:09 or looking past you know the three cueing
1:38:11 method and the whole and to this very specific so i before we uh
1:38:15 i would encourage you to talk to her about
1:38:17 the training that we’ve we’ve launched into uh specifically it’s
1:38:22 tackling phonics phonemic awareness
1:38:24 those those five i think they’re a core things that are part of
1:38:27 the that body of research science of
1:38:29 reading so i just encourage you to have that conversation with
1:38:31 her about what’s already being done
1:38:32 in in that uh realm
1:38:34 okay uh mr trent
1:38:44 well i’m hoping uh hoping we uh continue looking at behavioral
1:38:48 trainings uh with maybe the title four
1:38:51 funds other programs i’m sure they’re as soon as the vote came
1:38:55 down last time they were thinking of
1:38:58 what’s next i know i’ve gotten some calls on other programs so
1:39:02 uh i i look forward to that conversation
1:39:05 uh i mean i said my piece on this last time we had this
1:39:14 conversation uh i trust our staff their expertise
1:39:17 their professionalism to always present what they think is best
1:39:20 for our students and our staff
1:39:22 uh clearly i believe that this was best for our students and
1:39:25 staff as well as they did
1:39:28 so i think asking them to come back with some other program so
1:39:32 quickly uh is unrealistic it would be
1:39:36 disingenuine of them to come forward with something else that
1:39:38 they don’t necessarily have the buy-in
1:39:40 themselves we also as you can see at the beginning of this
1:39:43 presentation are committed to because there
1:39:46 is no refund 132 participants still going through conscious
1:39:50 discipline training and implementing it within
1:39:53 their classrooms i said this last time i think we didn’t ask our
1:39:57 staff and our schools that are using
1:39:59 this program how they feel about it being ceased so once it is i
1:40:03 think it would be in the best interest
1:40:04 of this board to ask the staff in the schools how they feel when
1:40:08 it is removed from their from
1:40:09 their school and how it’s impacting them all right and with that
1:40:13 i would say that i have asked staff and
1:40:15 i have moved through and being a former teacher for nine years i
1:40:19 know that part of getting a hold of
1:40:20 discipline is is that you have some sort of classroom management
1:40:23 and there’s a lot of programs that we
1:40:25 have inside of our school district that are underfunded that go
1:40:28 into that regard i would say that for
1:40:30 the past five no probably four years i’ve advocated um
1:40:35 absolutely for a program that comes out of escambia
1:40:38 county with amazing metrics and amazing results i think that we
1:40:42 as a as a school district have an opportunity
1:40:45 um as hand said that some of those are going to be presented to
1:40:48 us on may 9th i appreciate it
1:40:49 and i think that there’s pretty much board consensus to hold on
1:40:52 um actually spending any of that money
1:40:55 on robotics and all that other stuff until we hear from the may
1:40:57 9th group that we may be able to
1:40:59 expand some of that um you may want to have somebody talk about
1:41:02 some of those other things that you
1:41:04 were talking about does that make sense sorry i’m not sure so
1:41:07 may 9th there’s going to be some
1:41:08 opportunities to come forward with presentations and stuff that
1:41:10 are already existing programs inside of
1:41:12 our district that might help that is that about right so we’ve
1:41:15 convened a little focus group of folks that work
1:41:18 on recruitment retention training so talking about kind of all
1:41:22 of these issues that blend together
1:41:25 and so i think we can provide some briefings to you as we’re
1:41:28 working through the process but we’ve
1:41:30 got there’s a lot of moving parts yeah it’s probably the best
1:41:34 way to say it and all of these things
1:41:36 relate to one and other so as we talk through the discipline
1:41:40 audit for example there’s pieces of that
1:41:42 that relate to pieces of this our training we’ve had a lot of
1:41:45 conversation with our teachers union about
1:41:48 the types of training that they would like to have so i’ve
1:41:51 started to talk with our um our professional
1:41:53 development folks and trying to engage them with our student
1:41:56 services folks our leading learning folks
1:41:58 so we’re we’re all talking together about the best way to
1:42:00 deliver these services i think that’s a great
1:42:03 conversation for all of us to learn and see what’s out there and
1:42:06 see where the things is and it comes
1:42:07 directly with what miss jenkins had said where we listen to
1:42:10 staff and they present to us and we work
1:42:12 from there i think that’s a good point because i i when you were
1:42:15 summarizing it sounded like you were
1:42:17 summarizing saying that we all had consensus to put a hold on
1:42:20 the robotics said not all of us i said
1:42:22 there was a consensus well i didn’t know that we were i don’t
1:42:25 think i weighed in on that well it hasn’t
1:42:27 been brought before us so i’m assuming that’s just like kind of
1:42:29 what they’re they’re planning on doing
1:42:31 no that is different these is what if you’re asking for there’s
1:42:35 there’s reallocating 240 000
1:42:38 to stem robotics and all that stuff what i thought i heard and i
1:42:41 may have been incorrect is that instead
1:42:43 of allocating to them that we may be able to pause and use them
1:42:46 towards so that we’re not being restricted
1:42:48 into any of those type programs that we hear coming forward that
1:42:51 was all so the 240 we need we’ve
1:42:56 already submitted the amendment to the state we’re waiting for
1:42:58 the state to approve the amendment and
1:43:00 then we’d like to spend it on those items that are in the
1:43:03 presentation that’s roll forward money that
1:43:06 we need to we need to spend we still have a lot of opportunity
1:43:10 to bring forward different ideas on
1:43:13 professional development through our federal programs that we
1:43:17 can present to you so so those two things
1:43:19 are not mutually exclusive but i i would i would recommend that
1:43:23 we not pivot on the the 240 at this
1:43:26 point in time because i think we need we need to move forward
1:43:29 and these are things that we need to buy
1:43:31 okay and the clock is ticking and i think correct i think that
1:43:34 for some of the public to see what’s going
1:43:36 on i think one of the keys is is that the board is realigning
1:43:40 some of their priorities and i think that
1:43:42 that’s what’s happening is and we are in the process of learning
1:43:46 some of these for the first time so
1:43:47 thank you so much for for allocating and understanding and
1:43:50 everything else and just in the interest of
1:43:53 transparency if if folks are interested in what we’re doing with
1:43:57 our federal programs that there is
1:43:59 information on our website the full application as to how these
1:44:03 monies are being spent as well as
1:44:05 the amendments requested those are all on the website so if you
1:44:08 go to departments and programs and look under
1:44:10 title one title two title four the information is there and
1:44:13 available for the public to see that’s awesome
1:44:16 i just i just want to add in here i thank you because i think
1:44:19 this actually you you mentioned this
1:44:22 alliance with board priorities that we have clearly said we want
1:44:24 to be to i’m going to quote you mr susan
1:44:27 the district that sends students to space not currently like in
1:44:31 their current form but in the future send
1:44:33 them to space um and so stem robotics cte labs that that very
1:44:38 well aligns with what this board has been
1:44:41 consistent in saying so good job i have a request um uh i would
1:44:46 like mr susan if you could inform your
1:44:49 fellow board members the schools that you visited and if you
1:44:52 have any correspondences with those staff
1:44:54 that feel a negative way towards it to share it with us because
1:44:57 if we’re going to be making decisions about
1:44:59 this going forward it would be helpful for us all to be privy to
1:45:02 that same information are you speaking
1:45:04 to conscious discipline now is that what you’re saying miss jenkins
1:45:07 yes i’m trying to figure out
1:45:08 what you’re saying yes mr susan i am not going to point of order
1:45:11 i’m not done point of order thank you
1:45:14 i asked you a question mr susan i wasn’t done talking thank you
1:45:18 when i make a statement for us to do our
1:45:21 due diligence and ask our staff that we’re impacting how they
1:45:24 feel about a program being removed and your
1:45:26 rebuttal is that you already has as if as if that is end all be
1:45:31 all well then i think that the rest of
1:45:33 the board deserves to hear the responses that you had because i
1:45:36 too was an educator for six years i too
1:45:39 had personal experience with conscious discipline clearly my
1:45:41 perspective is very different than yours
1:45:44 and the perspective of our 4500 teachers is going to be very
1:45:47 different as well and diverse and so
1:45:50 if you are hearing differently it would be beneficial for me to
1:45:54 see those responses so yes i am requesting
1:45:58 this communication that you claim that you had to be shared with
1:46:02 the entire board and if i get any
1:46:04 communication i will do the same miss um jenkins i would remind
1:46:09 you that as soon as you start putting
1:46:11 people’s names and information out there that they can miss jenkins
1:46:15 i am finishing my answer to your
1:46:17 question you know what forget it forget it you can redact their
1:46:20 names let’s move on let’s move on
1:46:22 all right thank you so much i appreciate it
1:46:24 the next topic is mcoa recommendation athletics follow-up
1:46:34 yes sir dr sullivan will be briefing you on this topic
1:46:48 working on a segue and i’m just struggling um but one thing i do
1:46:57 know is that um we all really care
1:47:01 about the safety of our students um a couple weeks ago a month
1:47:05 ago now i’m not sure it’s a bit of a
1:47:07 blur you all had a board presentation on athletics athletic
1:47:10 issues and athletic concerns little did i
1:47:13 know on that day that i would be taking responsibility for
1:47:17 athletics um so in the past couple weeks um
1:47:21 i have worked alongside my directors um school principals
1:47:24 athletic directors and officials to to
1:47:27 understand some of the immediate problems and one of the
1:47:31 immediate problems at hand is our contract with
1:47:34 our mid-coast officials association and it’s an immediate issue
1:47:39 of course because we’ve got to get
1:47:41 it in place for the start of the year but there were some
1:47:43 challenges that really needed to be resolved
1:47:45 particularly in terms of timeliness of pay of the officials if
1:47:49 you all recall from that presentation
1:47:53 and the reason for that delay they’re just multiple multiple
1:47:56 points of failure if you will in large part
1:48:00 the schools do not have the funds to initiate the original
1:48:04 purchase orders so typically in a situation
1:48:06 in the fall you would enter a purchase order for the season and
1:48:10 pay against that purchase order that
1:48:13 encumbers all of your funds and so this many of our schools did
1:48:16 not have enough funds to even open
1:48:19 the purchase order to be able to pay against the invoices the
1:48:23 second thing of course is processing time
1:48:27 with the mid-coast officials they have to essentially by hand
1:48:32 into every roster for every school for every
1:48:35 set of contests to generate the invoice process those invoices
1:48:39 were handled very differently at the different
1:48:42 schools with very different outcomes the core of the issue comes
1:48:47 down to finances
1:48:48 right now through athletic equity the board for the last several
1:48:54 years has been allocating around
1:48:55 two hundred thousand dollars a year to try to help offset some
1:48:59 of the fees as a former principal
1:49:01 i can tell you that you got a couple of buckets if you have a
1:49:04 home game you have to pay officials if
1:49:07 you have an away game you have to pay transportation not to
1:49:10 mention all of the other elements that come
1:49:13 into it and so what i saw in the contract is there was
1:49:16 suggestions of decreasing officials
1:49:19 and recommendations that would in my opinion be detrimental to
1:49:25 district and allowing them to have
1:49:28 less than recommended officials just because of the cost and and
1:49:31 i think in my opinion looking at the
1:49:34 history of it that we need to consider increasing our funding
1:49:37 commitment to the schools to maintain a
1:49:40 safe environment i know the board for several years has
1:49:44 discussed what does those funds look like what
1:49:47 does equity look like and my recommendation is that the district
1:49:51 equitably fund all officials
1:49:54 and so uh doing that serves two things one it definitely
1:49:58 increases the board commitment so the board
1:50:00 commitment would increase from 200 000 a year to 550 000 a year
1:50:07 however i think the district is very
1:50:10 vulnerable in the fact that we have paid those official bills on
1:50:14 the backs of uh ticket sales and for the
1:50:18 vast majority of our sports the ticket sales does not come close
1:50:22 to covering the cost of the officials
1:50:25 and safety really is weighing on me so i’ve been wearing this
1:50:28 athletics hat for just a couple weeks
1:50:30 but it worked for a long time as a principal and just how we
1:50:35 support this as a district and how we’ve
1:50:39 sort of left schools to fend for themselves it has been weighing
1:50:43 on me so my recommendation is the board
1:50:45 consider that increase to that allocation with that allocation
1:50:50 at the district level we would manage
1:50:52 all of the accounting logistics and processing for the mcoa and
1:50:58 i’ll just give an example of what that
1:51:01 might look like and it’s something we do right now with dual
1:51:04 enrollment and some other funds so
1:51:07 the invoices would come to us the newly hired county athletic
1:51:11 director would cross-reference those we
1:51:13 would pay those invoices out we do it with school nurses we do
1:51:16 with dual enrollment we do it with a ton
1:51:19 of different areas it’s not problematic you know we love
1:51:22 spreadsheets so we’ll keep lots of detailed
1:51:24 records on the different amounts right now for the average of
1:51:28 the last two years officials have cost us
1:51:30 around 528 000 i’m recommending 550 000 just because i’m unclear
1:51:37 and for this first year until we get a
1:51:40 tighter reign we’ve added sports and i want to make sure that
1:51:43 there’s appropriate funding there
1:51:45 the reason we are bringing this recommendation to you in advance
1:51:49 of the other recommendations
1:51:51 is the contract process with mcoa and so we’re looking for that
1:51:57 informal three thumbs up
1:52:00 to build out the contract under that expectation in terms of
1:52:06 funding possibilities
1:52:08 in discussion of course extensive discussions with miss hand
1:52:13 this is something that could be
1:52:14 fund 100 or could be millage as well to be to be determined
1:52:19 because athletic support
1:52:21 was one of our identified areas in what we gave to the voters on
1:52:26 that program development bucket that
1:52:28 we’re calling b1 to be specific and so we know that that’s
1:52:34 something that could look at but in terms of
1:52:37 developing out the system to begin the contracting in the fall
1:52:41 we’re asking the board for any questions or follow-up or if they
1:52:46 feel
1:52:46 feel strongly against adding the funds towards athletics.
1:52:50 I’d let you know we need to know that
1:52:51 and go back to the drawing board
1:52:53 or feeling confident that the board could take it.
1:52:56 From my lens as a principal of a school
1:52:59 without a lot of money in the past,
1:53:02 the equity of just knowing
1:53:03 that your officials are covered is huge.
1:53:06 I went out to all the principals
1:53:08 and it’s just unilateral support as you can imagine.
1:53:12 The time and effort and processing on the schools,
1:53:15 they would very much appreciate the help
1:53:17 in trying to manage that,
1:53:20 as well as just one less thing,
1:53:23 because in my opinion,
1:53:26 having officials at every contest
1:53:28 is not something that should be second guessed
1:53:31 based on the difficulties they’re having with finance.
1:53:34 And so I just ask the board for their consideration.
1:53:37 Happy to answer any questions
1:53:38 within my couple weeks on this hat.
1:53:42 But again, lots of years on the school-based hat
1:53:45 of trying to do it and to move forward
1:53:48 and working out the contract with the officials.
1:53:50 - Thank you, Dr. Sullivan.
1:53:52 Does anybody wish to comment on this?
1:53:54 Mr. Trent.
1:53:56 - We’re good.
1:53:57 - So this would cover middle schools as well?
1:53:59 - Yes, ma’am.
1:54:00 - And then, so really, I mean,
1:54:03 you were talking about a seismic shift,
1:54:05 but you know, a big shift,
1:54:07 because not only would we be taking care of that,
1:54:09 that all those ticket sales, then would be able,
1:54:11 the schools would be able to use this
1:54:12 to pour back into the programs to buy equipment.
1:54:14 - Exactly.
1:54:15 - And pay for training and all the other things
1:54:17 that they have to cover.
1:54:18 - Exactly.
1:54:19 So right now, high school, for example,
1:54:23 an average high school has been receiving about $12,000
1:54:26 in that $200,000 bucket.
1:54:29 The officials’ bills are typically between $35,000 and $40,000.
1:54:34 So out of the money that’s coming into the program,
1:54:37 the vast majority of it is going out to officials.
1:54:40 And so things like transportation, you know, balls,
1:54:45 things that you need, safety equipment,
1:54:47 there are a lot of things that have to get cut,
1:54:49 because you have to pay for officials.
1:54:52 And so our families that are raising money,
1:54:56 all of those things that are happening,
1:54:57 I think about the communities, and yeah,
1:55:01 it understand that you have to raise money
1:55:02 for like the nicer uniform or the fancy bat,
1:55:06 but you would hope not for the bare bones execution
1:55:11 of the activity.
1:55:12 And so by taking that burden and as a district being clear,
1:55:17 like, you know, we can’t necessarily support athletics
1:55:22 and activities at how we would all hope and dream,
1:55:25 but from a safety point of view,
1:55:26 we’re gonna cover officials in every site.
1:55:28 I just think it’s really important.
1:55:30 - Yeah, thank you for answering that question.
1:55:32 And I appreciate it and I’m in support.
1:55:33 - Thank you.
1:55:34 - Anybody else?
1:55:36 - Yeah, I too am in support.
1:55:38 So I met with a former athletic director,
1:55:40 and I don’t know if his stats were true,
1:55:41 but what he said to me was that 9,000
1:55:43 of our high school students,
1:55:46 approximately 13.5% of them participate in a sport.
1:55:50 So he said that this is a tremendous amount of our population.
1:55:54 And then not to mention, we have a lot of state champs
1:55:56 and a lot of different sporting arenas.
1:55:58 So I 100% support that.
1:56:00 I’m glad that this is something that we can take off
1:56:02 of the schools and I think it’ll help support the children
1:56:04 in the athletics department.
1:56:05 So thank you for bringing this forward.
1:56:07 This will be a good thing.
1:56:07 - Thank you.
1:56:10 - Absolutely, this should be something that’s done
1:56:12 at the district level.
1:56:13 I won’t burden you with all the ideas in education,
1:56:19 or in athletics.
1:56:21 I’m hoping the new person in that position,
1:56:24 we have lots to talk about,
1:56:26 about what the individual schools can do
1:56:27 with the gate money.
1:56:28 - Yep.
1:56:30 - Even the cost of students entering events,
1:56:33 would really like to see that nearly nothing.
1:56:36 We need more kids,
1:56:37 more students taking advantage of activities.
1:56:41 But on this part,
1:56:42 thank you for doing this.
1:56:45 - Thank you.
1:56:45 - Ms. Jenkins.
1:56:47 - You obviously have my support
1:56:48 and thank you again for putting another hat
1:56:51 on top of your rack.
1:56:52 Appreciate you.
1:56:53 - Thank you.
1:56:55 I think, I’m not sure,
1:56:56 but there was another official group
1:57:00 that was coming in that was like basketball.
1:57:02 They had started conversations about six, eight months ago.
1:57:07 I’ll have them contact you just to make sure that,
1:57:09 ‘cause I know the MCOA is one,
1:57:12 but there was another group that because of the,
1:57:15 because of what we were doing,
1:57:16 had decimated the amount of umpires,
1:57:18 referees and stuff in certain sports,
1:57:20 to where the MCOA could not,
1:57:22 you know what I mean, give some,
1:57:23 they were having troubles.
1:57:24 So this other group came in.
1:57:25 So I just remembered that.
1:57:27 So I’ll get them in contact to make sure
1:57:28 that in the event that they’re in there.
1:57:30 - Okay.
1:57:31 - I think the guy’s name’s Scooter.
1:57:32 He’s from Titusville.
1:57:33 He runs, he, yeah.
1:57:35 - Sounds about right.
1:57:35 - Yeah.
1:57:36 - Thanks.
1:57:37 - I’ll be in touch with that.
1:57:39 - I’ll add it to the list.
1:57:40 - Thank you.
1:57:41 - But no, he’s a really good guy.
1:57:42 Anyway, so this is also, just so everybody knows,
1:57:47 this is a big deal because if we centralize this
1:57:50 and pay it out of the school district,
1:57:51 we have referees that are getting paid on a regular basis
1:57:54 and more routine rather than the other piece,
1:57:56 which was killing us for retention and recruitment
1:57:59 because we were losing reps
1:58:00 because they were sometimes waiting months to get paid
1:58:02 for like repping a game, which was unfair.
1:58:05 Dr. Sullivan, this is huge.
1:58:07 Thank you so much.
1:58:07 I really appreciate it.
1:58:08 And the emphasis on safety is 100% right.
1:58:12 - We appreciate it.
1:58:13 And we’ll certainly work towards the contract
1:58:16 now that we know we have the board permission
1:58:19 and working very well with Mr. Muzzy
1:58:22 and we will proceed.
1:58:24 Thank you.
1:58:25 - Thank you, Dr. Sullivan.
1:58:26 The next up is a topic of a draft charter
1:58:28 independent citizens committee for millage oversight.
1:58:32 Is that you, Ms. Sue?
1:58:33 - Yes, sir.
1:58:34 I’m gonna introduce this.
1:58:35 Ms. Lisinski and Mr. Gibbs and I worked on this together.
1:58:38 We modeled this after the independent citizens oversight
1:58:41 committee for the sales surtax.
1:58:43 It’s recognizing that the millage is a little bit different
1:58:45 because it’s more on the operation side
1:58:47 and there’s quite a bit that goes on the compensation side.
1:58:49 Versus the capital side.
1:58:50 But just to kind of run through some of the highlights,
1:58:54 the purpose of the independent citizens oversight committee,
1:58:57 very similar, is simply to oversee, not direct,
1:59:02 but to review how the millage is spent.
1:59:07 The term, we talked about it and felt like in this case,
1:59:10 because the millage is a four year program,
1:59:13 that we would, the term of office,
1:59:15 we would recommend be the full four years.
1:59:17 And then if, if it needed to be extended,
1:59:19 the board could do that at that time.
1:59:20 But it seemed like a better idea to just have it coincident
1:59:23 with the entire term of the millage.
1:59:25 One of the challenges I have with the surtax citizens oversight
1:59:28 committee
1:59:29 is the terms are staggered in two years and it just, it gets
1:59:32 very confusing.
1:59:33 So this would keep the group together for the full four years.
1:59:36 Like the surtax, we recommended annual reports to both the board
1:59:42 and the audit committee as we do with the surtax with
1:59:45 intermittent reports.
1:59:46 Recommended a minimum quarterly, not, I’m sorry, I’m not going
1:59:50 to say that.
1:59:50 Not quarterly, but a minimum four times a year with the way the
1:59:55 millage revenue comes in,
1:59:56 quarterly may not make exact sense.
1:59:59 So we might be, might make more sense to have a January meeting
2:00:03 and a February meeting and then an August meeting,
2:00:05 something like that versus strict quarterly.
2:00:08 So we just said minimum of four times per year.
2:00:11 With the surtax, it says quarterly and we actually meet six
2:00:15 times per year
2:00:16 because that, I think, benefits us to have the group be together
2:00:19 every other month.
2:00:21 May not be the same with the surtax or with the millage
2:00:23 because of the big revenue that comes in in December
2:00:28 versus the surtaxes every month.
2:00:31 So that the revenue stream is a little bit different.
2:00:34 We did recommend a similar membership structure,
2:00:37 no less than seven, no more than 11 members.
2:00:39 That’s worked really well with the surtax citizens oversight
2:00:44 committee.
2:00:44 The qualifications for the members would be folks that are in
2:00:51 fields relating to the purpose of the millage.
2:00:53 On the surtax side, it was a little more capital oriented.
2:00:57 So we had construction finance type folks, but on the millage
2:01:01 side,
2:01:01 I think it’s a little bit broader.
2:01:03 So we left it much more, much more broad.
2:01:07 The terms would be, again, starting July 1st through June 30th,
2:01:12 2027.
2:01:14 And I believe that sums up the points in the charter.
2:01:20 I’d like to get this on an upcoming board agenda because I’d
2:01:24 like to get it approved.
2:01:26 And then the next item, I’ll talk a little bit about how we
2:01:28 solicit members.
2:01:29 But I’d like to get going so that we do have this body seated in
2:01:34 July.
2:01:34 Everybody okay with just giving her the thumbs up to move on it?
2:01:36 Yeah, absolutely.
2:01:37 Okay.
2:01:38 We’re good.
2:01:39 Thank you very much.
2:01:40 Yep.
2:01:41 And then the follow on item is the member selection process.
2:01:44 Some of you may have been here when we did the surtax.
2:01:48 I know, Mr. Seusson, you were a part of that selection process
2:01:52 as a member.
2:01:54 But this was kind of done independently in terms of the initial
2:01:58 proffering of candidates
2:02:00 for the independent oversight committee to the board.
2:02:04 I’ve talked with Ms. Kershaw and met with the board at Brevard
2:02:07 School Foundation.
2:02:08 They are willing to take on the vetting process, so the
2:02:11 applications would be sent to them.
2:02:13 They would review the applications and present a recommended
2:02:17 slate of members to the school
2:02:18 board.
2:02:19 There’s lots of other ways to do this, but I thought I would
2:02:22 propose one way that we could
2:02:24 do that that is somewhat independent from the school board to
2:02:27 create that initial independent
2:02:29 group.
2:02:30 Okay.
2:02:31 Yeah.
2:02:32 They’ll bring back the recommendations of who, once they vet the
2:02:36 candidates and then we at
2:02:38 that point will select.
2:02:39 Yes.
2:02:40 The school board makes the actual selection.
2:02:42 The Brevard Schools Foundation or another independent group
2:02:45 would vet the applications, review them,
2:02:48 and make a recommendation to you.
2:02:49 Okay.
2:02:50 Thank you.
2:02:51 So I just had a question because I was looking, when I was
2:02:54 reading the last agenda, I was like,
2:02:56 well, how did that first group get picked?
2:02:58 Because now what we do is, with ICOC, if someone rotates off or
2:03:03 they resign or whatever,
2:03:05 then the ICOC takes applications and they pick their own members.
2:03:08 Correct.
2:03:09 And that’s how it would be set forward in the future.
2:03:11 Correct.
2:03:12 But I, in the, with this other, with the ICOC, the group was
2:03:18 selected by the chambers and kind
2:03:23 of I know what’s that.
2:03:24 So are we talking about just foregoing that?
2:03:27 Okay.
2:03:28 That became a process in and of itself.
2:03:30 Okay.
2:03:31 I wasn’t here when that happened either.
2:03:34 So I don’t fully know.
2:03:36 But my understanding of that process is it was a process to
2:03:39 select the process and got a
2:03:41 little bit unwieldy.
2:03:42 So I felt like this was a good option that already includes
2:03:48 community members that could take
2:03:50 a look at the potential applications.
2:03:52 But there are certainly other options if the board would like us
2:03:54 to do something different.
2:03:55 Okay.
2:03:56 And then just, just again, going back to the charter then, if
2:04:01 there were to be any vacancies because
2:04:03 someone resigned or moved away or we need to, we renew it and
2:04:06 somebody decided not to read
2:04:08 up.
2:04:09 Okay.
2:04:10 So then that would be just like the AOC, the actual committee
2:04:12 would select their own members?
2:04:13 Yes, ma’am.
2:04:14 It would go through the, go through the citizens oversight
2:04:16 committee to review applications and
2:04:18 then make a recommendation to the board for the appointment.
2:04:20 Okay.
2:04:21 So you’re right.
2:04:22 So, so the, so the Vavard Schools Foundation would just be the
2:04:24 kind of like FSBA and our superintendent
2:04:26 search.
2:04:27 They’re, they’re the ones.
2:04:28 Correct.
2:04:29 Taking applications and organizing them for us.
2:04:30 Correct.
2:04:31 Okay.
2:04:33 Thank you.
2:04:34 Okay.
2:04:35 Anybody else?
2:04:36 I think you’re good to go.
2:04:37 Good to go.
2:04:38 Yep.
2:04:39 All right.
2:04:40 Thank you very much.
2:04:41 All right.
2:04:42 Next up is the review, the 2000 policies.
2:04:47 If you guys want to take a second, I think an hour and a half,
2:04:53 they cut me down there.
2:04:56 If we, you guys want to take a break for a couple of minutes.
2:05:00 All right.
2:05:01 Let’s take a five minute break and get back here quick.
2:05:30 Thank you.
2:15:31 kinds of stuff and I think the one we have is good for now. Good
2:15:39 with that Paul, move on? Okay, next one is 2110, 2110 Statement
2:15:53 of Philosophy. Again, it references the standard policy on top
2:15:59 of it. I think
2:16:00 what’s that? So I figured this out after our last meeting. If
2:16:06 you go to the bottom of the yellow version, it says last
2:16:07 modified by Tammy Schroyer. That was when she pulled them all,
2:16:10 but the copyright date is going to be the teller. The copyright
2:16:14 date is the same as ours, so they don’t have any updates. Yep,
2:16:18 so as far as I’m concerned, this one looks good, 2110. If you
2:16:22 guys are okay with that, we can move on to the next one. Good,
2:16:26 we good?
2:16:29 Ms. Jenkins, are you good? Okay, next one is 2111.
2:16:33 You have, this is parent and family involvement in the school
2:16:39 program. It references two of the policies that are, that are
2:16:43 pretty in there. And then if you look at, sorry, pretty in there
2:16:47 is kind of ridiculous.
2:16:47 Yeah, we have the implementation portion, which we do not.
2:16:51 Yep. So there, on this one, I noticed when we started, in Neola’s
2:16:56 version, we started getting to the bottom half, the newer
2:16:58 section that we, ours doesn’t include. It looks like it’s coming
2:17:01 straight out of the Parents’ Bill of Rights. And we did
2:17:03 implement a policy that we had all that language in there.
2:17:09 I remember the number, and I didn’t get a chance to go find it.
2:17:12 But I might, are you with, you remember Paul?
2:17:15 I remember doing something. I don’t remember off the top of my
2:17:19 head.
2:17:19 Come on, Paul.
2:17:20 I don’t remember what number it is off the top of my head.
2:17:22 There’s a couple of little things. So mine suggested, there’s a
2:17:25 couple of little things in here besides that part. I don’t know
2:17:29 if we need to add all of that if we already have it somewhere
2:17:30 else.
2:17:30 You mean the implementation portion of this?
2:17:32 Yeah. So what’s missing?
2:17:33 Right. So the part, yes, the implementation part is pretty much,
2:17:38 if you look, if you look at that, if you’re familiar with the
2:17:40 language from the Parents’ Bill of Rights, it’s practically verbatim.
2:17:43 So, but I think we already have that somewhere else, and that’s
2:17:45 what I can’t remember. So, I, but I would like us to, I think we
2:17:48 should take a look at some of it, just because there were a few
2:17:52 things.
2:17:52 Let me just check them all.
2:17:56 Up towards the top.
2:17:58 All right.
2:17:59 I will, I will have, if you will notice the bold note at the
2:18:02 very bottom of the Neola version, it says that we should select
2:18:05 all the options that have up towards the top in order to comply
2:18:10 with state and federal law and title one.
2:18:14 I’m okay with that.
2:18:15 Yeah, but there was a few things, small things, but I don’t,
2:18:19 they have that extra paragraph about the Elementary and Secondary
2:18:24 Education Act.
2:18:25 I think that was just defined to parents.
2:18:27 I think we kind of got that with the family’s definition, but
2:18:30 there’s some, a couple other little things I think it might be
2:18:32 good just to take a look at this one.
2:18:34 So omit paragraph two, is that what you’re suggesting?
2:18:36 Oh, I don’t know.
2:18:37 I mean, omit.
2:18:38 She’s just trying to say take a look at it.
2:18:39 Do we have to add it in?
2:18:40 I don’t know if we have to add it in.
2:18:41 We can, if we’re going to look at it.
2:18:43 Okay, that’s fine.
2:18:44 But the other, the other little things are, are down into the,
2:18:47 like relationships with, of the effective communication.
2:18:50 There was a couple of things in there, I think.
2:18:52 Yep.
2:18:53 I liked a lot of the checkoff versions and we can add the
2:18:57 implementation and I think we’re good.
2:19:00 So we can have-
2:19:02 There’s no red flags.
2:19:04 Does that bring this one back?
2:19:06 To match Newell.
2:19:08 I mean, I, this one, our policies is families.
2:19:11 This one references parents.
2:19:12 So it’s probably-
2:19:13 More up to date.
2:19:14 Yeah.
2:19:15 There says parents and families.
2:19:17 I said, I don’t know-
2:19:18 I like the Neola version.
2:19:19 I just like that with those, with all those breaks.
2:19:23 I don’t know what you guys are talking about, but just have
2:19:26 those just like it’s recommended.
2:19:28 That’s what we have.
2:19:29 That’s the, that is the part that is almost identical to what we
2:19:31 have.
2:19:31 Yep.
2:19:33 And then you have the implementation.
2:19:34 Is there anything-
2:19:35 Which I think we have in another policy.
2:19:36 That’s what I’m sure.
2:19:37 I think, I think you can have it in two.
2:19:39 It’s not that big of a deal.
2:19:40 I think we’re okay.
2:19:41 Is everybody okay with that?
2:19:42 Yeah.
2:19:43 All right.
2:19:44 We’re good.
2:19:45 So direction is to just adopt the Neola one.
2:19:47 Next one up is 2-1-2-0 school improvement.
2:19:50 Again, taking a look at that, looking at the Neola template.
2:19:54 I wrote in here, again, I looked at this like almost two months
2:19:58 ago at this point.
2:19:59 So I’m like, I’m having to jog my memory of like, oh, okay.
2:20:02 I wrote in here, missing early warning system section.
2:20:05 I don’t know.
2:20:06 Let me pull up in the Neola and let me see.
2:20:09 Does it have something about that?
2:20:11 Because my note may not make any sense to me right now.
2:20:15 Oh, yeah.
2:20:16 There’s a whole section.
2:20:17 There it is.
2:20:18 Yep.
2:20:19 There’s a, there’s the part about waivers.
2:20:20 We’re in 2-1-20, right?
2:20:21 Yeah.
2:20:22 Yes.
2:20:23 In Neola, there’s a specific list of things that can –
2:20:30 Carl Perkins, general education.
2:20:32 Right, right, right.
2:20:33 And so it just gives the list rather than just saying, it’s
2:20:37 saying the same thing.
2:20:38 Right, right, right.
2:20:40 And so it just gives the list rather than just saying, it’s
2:20:43 saying the same thing.
2:20:45 Right.
2:20:50 And so it just gives the list rather than just saying, it’s
2:20:52 saying the same thing.
2:20:52 But the Neola version is a little more specific.
2:20:53 Yep.
2:20:54 And it talks about the superintendent is authorized to waive
2:21:01 those rather than ours says the board
2:21:05 is authorized to waive.
2:21:06 So what she’s saying is, is that Neola is more specific.
2:21:09 It includes it.
2:21:10 We good to go.
2:21:11 Yeah.
2:21:12 I think we should update it to match Neola.
2:21:14 I mean –
2:21:15 Yep.
2:21:16 I think so too.
2:21:17 I would say that we adopt the Neola version, which is more
2:21:19 updated, has more specific points
2:21:21 on the waivers.
2:21:22 Do we want any other things in the early warning system?
2:21:26 Because it’s – all right.
2:21:27 We need to look at this one for a second.
2:21:29 Sorry.
2:21:30 No, no, no.
2:21:31 No, I’m here.
2:21:32 All right.
2:21:33 Sure.
2:21:35 Paul, are you familiar?
2:21:37 Maybe this is – I don’t want to – Jane’s waving her hand.
2:21:41 That early warning system, is that something you can shed some
2:21:43 light on for us?
2:21:44 Yes.
2:21:45 Is that okay, Ms. Hannah?
2:21:46 Is she – okay.
2:21:47 Thank you.
2:21:48 I don’t want to – I’m not doing any voluntiline today, but if
2:21:54 you can shed some light, that
2:21:56 would help.
2:21:57 Because I’m sure we’re already doing it.
2:21:58 We just may not have her in Donna policy.
2:22:01 So it’s statutorily required.
2:22:05 Excuse me.
2:22:06 I was on a Bureau of School Improvement meeting this morning and
2:22:10 learned there’s going to be
2:22:11 more changes to the school improvement process where they’re
2:22:15 going to take the federal index
2:22:17 and add that component.
2:22:19 So the state currently is rewriting the template because of an
2:22:24 audit that was found for the state
2:22:27 of Florida.
2:22:29 And so they’re trying to – they did not even have the details.
2:22:32 They’re going to have them in June and add that to the school
2:22:36 improvement template that
2:22:38 will be coming forth for next year.
2:22:40 So this might be something that we update, but let’s wait.
2:22:43 Let’s push this one out long enough for everybody to catch up.
2:22:47 I think we’ll be updating it again based on what I learned this
2:22:52 morning is that they’re going
2:22:54 to be adding the subgroup data in a more monitoring piece of the
2:23:01 school improvement process.
2:23:05 We monitor our subgroup data, but it’s not part of the state
2:23:10 template.
2:23:11 And we follow the state template.
2:23:13 Okay.
2:23:15 Should we table this one until it comes back in June?
2:23:17 Because otherwise we’re going to have to go right back in, right?
2:23:19 I think the idea would be we want to adopt the NEOLA piece,
2:23:23 right?
2:23:24 But in the event that there’s other ones that come on, if you’ll
2:23:27 bring something forward when
2:23:28 that happens, that’s perfect.
2:23:29 So NEOLA will adjust the template.
2:23:32 We’re going to get a bunch of them.
2:23:33 If the state changes in June, NEOLA will probably issue their
2:23:36 update.
2:23:36 Okay.
2:23:38 August, September is.
2:23:39 That’s perfect.
2:23:40 As long as we’re within compliance, we’re good.
2:23:42 Yeah.
2:23:43 Thank you.
2:23:44 All right.
2:23:45 Next up.
2:23:46 2125.
2:23:47 I got notes written on this one.
2:23:48 School advisory councils for school improvement and
2:23:50 accountability.
2:23:51 All right.
2:23:52 One of the things that is listed on the first section here for
2:23:56 the school advisory council.
2:23:58 There’s not, it says that we review, but it doesn’t really
2:24:02 review membership.
2:24:03 But how often are we reviewing membership?
2:24:04 I don’t know if we should put something in there to that effect.
2:24:06 Oh, there’s, and there’s.
2:24:07 Yep.
2:24:09 Is it?
2:24:10 Where are you?
2:24:11 I’m in the second paragraph.
2:24:12 The board shall review the membership composition of each
2:24:14 advisory council, but it doesn’t say
2:24:16 when or how, I mean, so it’s, we shall review when.
2:24:19 So a couple of years ago, I asked if we could get all of the SIP
2:24:23 plans.
2:24:24 They’re the school improvement plans that are passed, right?
2:24:26 That are, that come out of each one of the schools.
2:24:28 And, um, I asked, so what they do is, is they create a database
2:24:32 and we log in and we
2:24:34 can click on each school improvement plan.
2:24:35 And basically that’s the roadmap that that school feels is
2:24:38 appropriate for student achievement
2:24:40 and everything else.
2:24:41 It’s, it, it exists right now.
2:24:42 You can go look at the school improvement plans for all of them.
2:24:45 Ms. Klein’s coming or go ahead.
2:24:47 Okay.
2:24:48 The school improvement timeline.
2:24:51 Once we attend the June training from the state, we’ll establish
2:24:55 a timeline.
2:24:56 And when everything is due, we send you that timeline.
2:24:59 And then the school improvement plans come to you for approval
2:25:03 for final approval.
2:25:05 You have approximately two, three weeks to go through and make
2:25:09 any suggestions.
2:25:10 Bring them back to us.
2:25:11 And then we take them back to the school.
2:25:15 So every school, like currently, as Mr. Student just said,
2:25:19 currently you can look at any school
2:25:20 improvement plan in our district.
2:25:22 Okay.
2:25:23 But the school bases their, um, goal based on their student data.
2:25:29 And is that, that, that is looked at annually?
2:25:30 Is that, how often is that done?
2:25:31 Every summer.
2:25:32 Okay.
2:25:33 It shows up on a board, um,
2:25:34 Board agenda item in September?
2:25:35 October-ish.
2:25:36 Okay.
2:25:37 And that document will list the members of the SAC for every
2:25:38 school.
2:25:38 Yes.
2:25:39 So that at that time we would be, that’s when we approve or
2:25:41 review as this policy says.
2:25:42 Good.
2:25:43 Ours is the same.
2:25:43 Ours is, Niela hasn’t updated there since this one was, by the
2:25:43 way.
2:25:43 And I think, I think, um, if you look at this, uh, the advisory
2:25:49 council, the SACs, what, what that is, is there’s, there’s some
2:25:59 statutory
2:25:59 opportunities for us to create more of a collaboration between
2:26:12 the board and some of our advisory committees.
2:26:17 Um, if you read the statutes, it talks about how that’s kind of
2:26:21 under our jurisdiction to work with them because they’re kind of
2:26:25 our, our wing into the schools.
2:26:26 Mm-hm.
2:26:27 So I was, once we get that update and we get to that process, I
2:26:30 may ask all of us to create like a mini advisory team from the
2:26:35 schools that comes and just advises, you know, talks to us, um,
2:26:39 and gives us updates as to what’s going on inside the schools.
2:26:41 So, um, with that, I think we’re good on this, right?
2:26:44 Is everybody okay?
2:26:45 Does anybody have any, anything else that they would like to add
2:26:48 to it?
2:26:49 Hmm.
2:26:50 I mean, are we going to implement the Neola template?
2:26:55 Because again, we don’t have a, a conflict dispute resolution
2:26:58 process that’s tied to this policy here.
2:27:00 I’m sure we have one maybe somewhere else, but.
2:27:02 Hang on just a second.
2:27:03 Because one of the things.
2:27:04 Ours has additional stuff that’s not in Neola.
2:27:07 So it’s going to be, do you want Neola’s template or do you want
2:27:10 to add what we don’t have from Neola’s template into what we’ve
2:27:14 created?
2:27:15 Right.
2:27:16 Um.
2:27:17 Yeah.
2:27:18 I feel like the resolution piece is missing from ours.
2:27:20 So ours, um, speaks about the school recognition funds.
2:27:28 I don’t see that on Neola’s.
2:27:29 It speaks about the annual budget.
2:27:31 I don’t see that on Neola’s.
2:27:37 I thought we had a policy about SAC and I’m not finding it.
2:27:47 So, um.
2:27:48 We did.
2:27:49 It was referenced.
2:27:50 There’s some statutory.
2:27:51 Yeah.
2:27:52 About school improvement plans.
2:27:53 I thought we had, um, I thought we had a policy on school
2:27:54 improvement.
2:27:55 So.
2:27:56 Well, this one in here under duties, it says school improvement.
2:27:58 Yep.
2:27:59 Plan process.
2:28:00 So we may need to add some things.
2:28:01 Is that.
2:28:02 I think what you said was correct in that anything that’s inside
2:28:05 the Neola template that we don’t already have, Paul, would be
2:28:08 something that we could add.
2:28:09 And then that would.
2:28:10 If that’s the direction, we can just take what we, what Neola
2:28:13 has in their template and we don’t have in ours and add it into
2:28:17 ours.
2:28:17 You guys okay with that?
2:28:18 Yeah.
2:28:20 I mean, I can’t see a reason why we would take either one of
2:28:22 these out.
2:28:23 It’s only a couple of things.
2:28:24 Yeah.
2:28:25 That we have additionally that Neola doesn’t.
2:28:27 Does anybody see any reason that we should not have those?
2:28:31 No.
2:28:32 Good.
2:28:33 All right.
2:28:34 If you follow that one there, Paul.
2:28:36 Next one’s 2131.
2:28:38 Um, educational goals.
2:28:40 Uh, this is, uh, if you pull up the Neola templates.
2:28:45 Might be a little bit different.
2:28:48 Actually.
2:28:49 Neola has a 2128.
2:28:50 That’s right.
2:28:51 You’re right.
2:28:52 District Advisory Council.
2:28:54 Because we don’t have a district advisory council.
2:29:01 Oh, where did that go?
2:29:05 This is what, this, what it speaks to inside the statutes.
2:29:10 Um, is this something that districts ever had?
2:29:16 No.
2:29:17 So it’s pretty cool.
2:29:18 If you look at it.
2:29:19 Right.
2:29:20 Yeah.
2:29:21 I mean, I could see the benefit of implementing one of these.
2:29:26 Mm-hmm.
2:29:27 What does the board feel like?
2:29:29 Um, I like it.
2:29:30 And if you read some of the statutes regards to the SAC
2:29:34 committees and stuff like that, it
2:29:35 calls for some of this kind of involvement.
2:29:38 Um, you guys want to discuss it?
2:29:43 Do you guys want to table it because it’s a big, big, big one
2:29:47 and we come back to it?
2:29:49 No, I, I mean, I think we can talk about it.
2:29:50 I think we should talk about it now when we’re here.
2:29:51 Okay.
2:29:52 All right.
2:29:53 Let’s do it.
2:29:54 I think it’s, um, I’m not necessarily saying 100% table it or
2:29:59 that I’m against it or for
2:30:00 it, but, uh, I think implementing something like that would be
2:30:03 an important conversation
2:30:05 after a superintendent is hired as well.
2:30:07 I don’t know.
2:30:08 It’s pretty simple.
2:30:10 I mean, parents, students, community members.
2:30:12 I mean, I don’t know if the superintendent would have anything
2:30:15 to do with telling us, no,
2:30:16 we don’t want students.
2:30:17 So yeah, the only thing is if we were going to give him part of
2:30:21 it.
2:30:21 So if we were going to ask the superintendent to appoint anybody,
2:30:24 um, but again, I don’t
2:30:26 think that that’s, um, I, I think we can have a group like this
2:30:31 with or without a policy,
2:30:32 right?
2:30:33 I mean, so it’s kind of a decision of doing, but you know, one
2:30:35 of the challenges that we
2:30:36 have when we have district wide committees like this is the link,
2:30:41 you know, the, the distance
2:30:43 people have to travel the involvement.
2:30:45 So I, I wonder if rather than one centralized, um, group that’s,
2:30:53 we can make it however big
2:30:55 we want because it, you know, it leaves blanks this many, you
2:30:58 know, it leaves blank, this many
2:30:59 parents, this many students.
2:31:00 Um, you’re talking about going to a regional type.
2:31:04 Or like, yeah, each district has their own kind of, is that what
2:31:07 you’re thinking?
2:31:08 I don’t know.
2:31:09 I mean, because, no, because then we kind of start getting
2:31:11 segmented.
2:31:11 I don’t know.
2:31:12 It’s okay.
2:31:13 I wouldn’t really worry for this conversation today, just to be
2:31:16 honest.
2:31:16 So I’m not, I, you know, like Ms. Jenkins, not opposed to, I
2:31:20 just, um, you talked earlier
2:31:22 about how we have a lot to do.
2:31:24 Well, I, I think that this is basically our backbone.
2:31:28 If we have, I, I, I actually love the idea of bringing parents,
2:31:31 students, community members,
2:31:33 teachers and them to talk to us on a regular basis.
2:31:35 I mean, I, I have, um, my former students that are now having
2:31:41 kids.
2:31:41 So it’s kind of interesting.
2:31:43 So I, I just, I think that this is something that I’d like to do.
2:31:47 I mean, if you guys want to sit here for a second and pound
2:31:49 through it, I’d love to put
2:31:50 something like this together.
2:31:51 But if you’re having some concerns and either way, I’m okay with
2:31:55 it.
2:31:55 Um, what would be the, what I’m trying to look down to see the
2:31:59 purpose, because I’m, what I’m
2:32:01 seeing is we’re going, here’s who’s going to be on the committee.
2:32:05 Here’s how they’re going to be selected.
2:32:07 Yep.
2:32:08 Um, you know, in different ways.
2:32:10 It can come from SACs or can be come from whatever, but there’s
2:32:14 really no definition.
2:32:16 Oh, it says the purpose of the DAC will be to advise.
2:32:19 With regard to the development.
2:32:20 Yep.
2:32:21 With strategic plan, especially in regard to goals.
2:32:26 It looks pretty good.
2:32:28 Right.
2:32:29 Um, as to serve as a major communication link between the
2:32:31 district, the schools and the community.
2:32:34 Um, and so basically to kind of help be that we had, we had that,
2:32:39 we have that in place
2:32:41 with all the community ambassador groups, which were on a much,
2:32:44 much larger scale actually,
2:32:45 because we had, we had faith based, a faith based community
2:32:50 ambassador group.
2:32:52 We had the chambers and a community ambassador group.
2:32:54 We had employee of the year, all the previous employees of the
2:32:57 year and the previous teachers
2:32:58 of the year, those were ambassador groups.
2:32:59 And sometimes it would be broken down.
2:33:01 Like, um, the superintendent would meet with, you know, regionally
2:33:04 everybody from those groups
2:33:06 here, or sometimes be, I’m just going to pull in all the faith
2:33:08 based today, whatever,
2:33:09 and, and throw out the idea.
2:33:10 And they were very involved in the making, the recreation of the
2:33:13 strategic plan.
2:33:14 And with his update.
2:33:15 And so that was kind of on a much larger, uh, scale.
2:33:19 Um, and something honestly in whether formal or informal needs
2:33:23 to continue to happen.
2:33:24 Um, so this is kind of getting more specific and saying, this is
2:33:29 the way we want to get
2:33:30 the community input is through this.
2:33:32 And I think, um, that other one didn’t report to us or
2:33:37 collaborate with us.
2:33:38 It was more about collaborating with Dr. Mullins and staff and
2:33:41 stuff like that.
2:33:42 So I like this.
2:33:43 Well, I mean, we can have it do whatever we wanted to, but I’m
2:33:46 saying we had community
2:33:47 groups, large groups of, you know, into, I, you know, I think
2:33:51 Tammy can probably commit.
2:33:52 It’s about 300 total in the 225.
2:33:56 Um, sorry, ministerially speaking, um, who were involved in, in
2:34:01 getting their input and whether
2:34:04 meetings or, uh, you know, digitally or whatever, virtual
2:34:07 meetings, all different kinds of ways.
2:34:09 So, you know, there’s, there’s lots of ways to do it.
2:34:12 I don’t know that we, um, have to limit it to this.
2:34:16 Was there ever a formal document that they said, these are the
2:34:19 strategic initiatives that we would like?
2:34:21 You know, I think it was just inputted to staff and then staff
2:34:23 took what they said and moved through it.
2:34:25 Something like that, right?
2:34:26 No, actually, I think he usually met with them himself and would
2:34:29 put out, here’s some, you know, first it was a listening tour.
2:34:32 You know, what are the, what are the priorities?
2:34:34 What do you think you’re gonna be working on?
2:34:35 Taking all the input.
2:34:36 I remember he sat down with each of us as board members and went
2:34:38 through actually over multiple one-on-ones because the list was
2:34:41 so long.
2:34:41 What do you think about this?
2:34:42 Where is this on your priority?
2:34:43 This is what I’m hearing from the community, you know,
2:34:45 formulated that, yes, with staff, with the strategic plan.
2:34:48 But, you know, one of the things that in the past, the
2:34:51 superintendent, going back to Dr. Blackburn and maybe previously,
2:34:55 I’m not
2:34:55 familiar to develop the strategic plan.
2:34:57 If we’re gonna move into where the board has more ownership of
2:34:59 the strategic plan, we can do that.
2:35:01 But that community input is still really important.
2:35:06 And then when there were going to be changes or updates, it
2:35:08 would, you know, he would go back out to the same people and say,
2:35:12 here’s where we are.
2:35:12 Let me give you a report card of where we are and what am I
2:35:15 hearing from you.
2:35:16 It was just more informal, but definitely going out with those
2:35:21 strategic plan points.
2:35:23 All right.
2:35:24 I like this opportunity because it keeps it to a smaller tight
2:35:28 knit group to give us direction.
2:35:31 And if the new superintendent would like to come in and create
2:35:33 what that was before, I think that would be a good idea too.
2:35:36 I don’t necessarily disagree with Ms. Jenkins on this maybe
2:35:40 saying that we talked to our new superintendent and have them
2:35:43 involved in this process because it may be a collaboration of
2:35:46 what we had and then this policy together to kind of come up
2:35:49 with what the new superintendent wants.
2:35:51 Or they might have an even better idea.
2:35:52 They might even have a better idea.
2:35:54 They might.
2:35:55 We good.
2:35:56 All right.
2:35:57 Then we’ll pause it.
2:35:58 Let’s go on to the next one, which is.
2:36:01 Keep forgetting to go back to the new one.
2:36:02 All righty.
2:36:02 Two, one, three, one.
2:36:03 Educational outcome.
2:36:04 One’s are shorter.
2:36:05 One, two.
2:36:06 Two, one, three, one, be one.
2:36:07 This is one of the ones that is, unless we see something, this
2:36:20 is one of the ones that has been reviewed within the last five
2:36:28 years.
2:36:28 And we would need to come back to it next year on our continual
2:36:31 rotation.
2:36:32 But this one was updated in 2018.
2:36:35 We’re within the five years.
2:36:37 Yeah.
2:36:38 Or we can just update it now and not worry about it.
2:36:40 Just made it.
2:36:41 All right.
2:36:42 So if you guys take a look at V1 and V2, there’s a little bit of
2:36:46 differences here.
2:36:47 One is, like Ms. Jenkins said, almost exactly like what we have.
2:36:55 And if there’s anything anybody wanted to add, they could.
2:36:59 I have a couple things that I might want to suggest.
2:37:03 V1 goes, I think, a little more in-depth.
2:37:06 Yeah, it looks like it.
2:37:08 But it’s up to you guys.
2:37:10 My concern was is that I wanted to be able to put – I didn’t
2:37:12 see anything in here.
2:37:14 Capacities for fulfilling, satisfying, outstanding,
2:37:17 understanding the ability to cope with change, like all of those
2:37:20 things.
2:37:20 How about like understanding the workforce and ensuring the
2:37:27 success – like understanding what the workforce needs are and
2:37:31 what their opportunities are.
2:37:33 I see the first one job skills for the workplace and skills and
2:37:36 attitudes to obtain further education.
2:37:38 I don’t know.
2:37:41 Sorry.
2:37:42 Give me a minute.
2:37:43 I’m going through them.
2:37:44 Mm-hmm.
2:37:45 I’m telling you, if we implement version 1, that scares me a bit.
2:38:00 Just because I mean, honestly, if you look at some of these
2:38:02 questions, they’re all really great life skills that our
2:38:05 students all should come out of our schools with.
2:38:08 I can speak to the fact that I work with youth every single week
2:38:12 and there’s a lot of these skills that our students do not have.
2:38:15 I’ll push it.
2:38:17 Yeah.
2:38:18 These are goals.
2:38:20 I’m looking at the statutes that they come from.
2:38:22 Actually, some of these are kind of spelled out.
2:38:24 Yep.
2:38:25 I really like version 1.
2:38:31 It’s very detailed, but I like version 1.
2:38:36 I like it too.
2:38:37 I just think what would it look like if every one of our
2:38:43 students came out of our schools with these skills.
2:38:46 Or at least we set that expectation.
2:38:49 Right?
2:38:50 So.
2:38:51 Leisure time.
2:39:00 I know.
2:39:01 I’m like, some of these are really good skills that I’m like,
2:39:04 wow.
2:39:04 This would be.
2:39:05 Anybody else wish to, there’s a kind of a thing on the floor
2:39:09 saying let’s go with version 1.
2:39:11 Are we okay with that?
2:39:12 Yeah.
2:39:13 Anybody object version 1?
2:39:14 Anybody want to tie into it?
2:39:16 Ms. Campbell, you okay with it?
2:39:19 To be quite honest, I didn’t look at the version 1.
2:39:23 You want to take a second?
2:39:25 I don’t make decisions like that, Mr. Seusson.
2:39:28 I’m happy for us to have to bring it back to us and let’s take a
2:39:33 look at them, you know.
2:39:35 I mean, I don’t see anything just looking, breezing through it
2:39:38 that I think is like, oh no, I don’t want our kids to learn that.
2:39:41 You know, I mean, yeah.
2:39:42 Okay.
2:39:43 So you’d like to say go ahead and move forward with V1 and then
2:39:47 if there’s any conversations that you may have or concerns, you
2:39:51 can address them as it goes through the process, right?
2:39:53 Sure.
2:39:54 Okay.
2:39:55 Are you okay with that, Ms. Jenkins?
2:39:57 Yep.
2:39:58 Okay.
2:39:59 All right.
2:40:00 2, 1, 3, 2.
2:40:05 So these are education process goals.
2:40:12 Again, the NEOLA template has been modified in 2003 but it goes
2:40:18 back, the original one looks like we have almost all of them.
2:40:22 The one thing that I was going to mention is that there’s not a
2:40:26 real strict on educational process goals.
2:40:30 It says instruction, you know, needs and interest of students
2:40:34 and all that stuff.
2:40:35 But there’s nothing talking about the relationship of parents
2:40:38 and students and stuff like that.
2:40:40 And I didn’t know if anybody wanted to add something,
2:40:42 constructive cooperation with parents and community groups.
2:40:45 And I guess that’s okay.
2:40:46 But it just doesn’t mean that, it doesn’t tell me like the
2:40:48 parent, like listen to the needs and parents and accept input on
2:40:52 their child for the success of the student.
2:40:55 These are kind of overall process goals.
2:40:56 I didn’t have any…
2:40:56 It mentions parents in F.
2:40:56 It does.
2:40:57 But it’s not…
2:40:58 What was your suggestion as far as changing that?
2:40:59 Just a more specific thing about parents.
2:41:00 But you know, like you’re talking about educational process
2:41:01 goals and we’re talking about collaborating with parents and
2:41:16 then we have in there constructive cooperation with parents and
2:41:19 community groups.
2:41:20 It just feels like it’s kind of part of something else, but it
2:41:23 can be there.
2:41:24 And we have a whole parent’s bill of rights that we can make.
2:41:26 Right.
2:41:27 You know what I mean?
2:41:28 So if you guys are okay, I’m okay.
2:41:29 We can just do all this thing.
2:41:30 I’m okay with this one.
2:41:31 I didn’t mark this one at all.
2:41:32 Yeah.
2:41:33 We’re good?
2:41:34 21:32 is good.
2:41:35 All right, Paul, just update it.
2:41:36 We’re good to go.
2:41:37 And the next one is 2205.
2:41:41 Instructional planning refers to three statutes.
2:41:48 Our old one referred to three statutes.
2:41:50 The new one only refers to one.
2:41:55 It’s kind of weird.
2:42:01 They’re not different, right?
2:42:06 No, it’s exactly the same, but the old one in our book refers to
2:42:10 two other statutes.
2:42:11 Yeah, but I wrote down on mine.
2:42:12 So it looks like the statute for statute 1001.11 speaking about
2:42:16 the commissioner of education.
2:42:18 So I had a question mark and I wrote that because I was like, I
2:42:20 don’t know why this statute is cited here.
2:42:21 It’s probably why they cleaned it up.
2:42:23 And then statute 1008.385 speaks about educational planning and
2:42:27 info system.
2:42:28 So I wrote down notes on those, which I’m thinking maybe I was
2:42:30 looking at the statute thinking this doesn’t really correlate to
2:42:33 what we’re speaking about, which might be why they decided to
2:42:36 take them out of there.
2:42:37 So this version is exactly like the one we have.
2:42:42 So if you guys are okay, we can move on.
2:42:44 Do we need to remove the statutes that are on there?
2:42:50 Is that a technical change?
2:42:51 I think I’ve asked that question before.
2:42:52 Oh, look.
2:42:53 Paul.
2:42:54 If it’s not needed, Paul, you can get rid of them.
2:42:57 Yeah.
2:42:58 I mean, I mean, is there any harm in citing a statute that
2:43:02 literally pertains nothing to this policy?
2:43:05 It’s just misleading.
2:43:06 So if I can get rid of it technically, I’ll do it.
2:43:09 If not, I’ll leave it until we get an update.
2:43:12 Neola updates it and says they don’t need it.
2:43:14 So we can get rid of it.
2:43:15 The third statute is relevant.
2:43:17 It’s just the one about the commissioner.
2:43:19 Right.
2:43:20 Yeah.
2:43:21 Different.
2:43:22 Yeah.
2:43:23 All right.
2:43:24 The board directs curriculum to this district.
2:43:26 Right.
2:43:27 One, two, two, one, zero.
2:43:29 Are we good?
2:43:30 So leave that one as is.
2:43:32 Yeah.
2:43:33 The one we were just on.
2:43:34 Yes.
2:43:35 We are on two, two, one, zero curriculum development.
2:43:37 It’s pretty.
2:43:38 If you look at this, it’s pretty.
2:43:39 The only difference we would do is, is a superintendent may make
2:43:42 progress reports to the board periodically
2:43:44 or annually.
2:43:45 I think we’ve chosen periodically and then.
2:43:50 There’s requirements in here from updated state statute.
2:43:53 I believe in order to report back to the Florida Department of
2:43:55 Education.
2:43:56 Sure.
2:43:57 Yeah.
2:43:58 This one was updated in 2022.
2:43:59 So I’m going to assume that some of that is.
2:44:03 For the most part, all of the language is pretty much the same
2:44:07 except for those updates.
2:44:09 Yeah.
2:44:10 So we need to update this so that we have the updated
2:44:11 requirements.
2:44:12 Yep.
2:44:13 Is there any reason that we picked periodically as opposed to
2:44:15 annually?
2:44:16 Because it’s more frequent.
2:44:17 More frequent?
2:44:18 I mean.
2:44:19 Progress reports as far as curriculum development?
2:44:22 If you guys want to put annually or periodically, it doesn’t
2:44:27 matter to me.
2:44:28 Yeah.
2:44:29 It doesn’t mean it’s less than annually.
2:44:31 It’s one of those words that’s subject to interpretation, like
2:44:34 ongoing, which you’re
2:44:35 like, well, annually could be ongoing or every two years could
2:44:38 be ongoing.
2:44:39 Yeah.
2:44:40 I mean, we’ve been getting them twice a year specifically, just
2:44:43 not curriculum updates,
2:44:44 but academic achievement updates and all those things at least
2:44:47 twice a year.
2:44:48 So then do we want to put that so that it reflects what we would
2:44:53 like to see?
2:44:54 Yeah.
2:44:55 I mean, if you want to, I mean, I don’t want to go back to the RISES
2:44:59 policy for only changing
2:44:59 that one phrase, but if we want to change it at least annually,
2:45:04 you know, or whatever,
2:45:06 you know, I mean, it’s, I mean, I’m not going to.
2:45:08 What do you guys want?
2:45:09 I’m getting a roll over that.
2:45:10 We’ve got to change the whole thing anyway.
2:45:12 It’s got to come before us.
2:45:13 So if you want to add a couple of words, it’s okay.
2:45:15 What are we changing the rest of it?
2:45:16 Because that’s the only thing I really, I mean, it looks like
2:45:21 the rest of it all.
2:45:23 Where was the reporting thing that you?
2:45:25 It’s on the bottom of the first page where, are you talking
2:45:28 about that where it says,
2:45:30 where we select if we would like it annually or periodically?
2:45:36 I’m okay with annually or periodically or at least in front of,
2:45:40 and then check annually.
2:45:41 It doesn’t matter to me.
2:45:43 I think we’re focusing on semantics too much.
2:45:46 I think the word periodically leaves it open.
2:45:48 The board’s in charge of the superintendent.
2:45:49 If you don’t like that they’re not reporting something to you
2:45:51 enough, you can tell them to report it.
2:45:53 Yep.
2:45:54 Yeah.
2:45:55 I’m not seeing that you were talking about a change earlier
2:45:56 about reporting.
2:45:57 Oh, no, I see it.
2:45:58 I see that the first one on the second page annually a date
2:46:01 determined by the FDOE.
2:46:02 Yeah.
2:46:03 District shall submit a board approved K-12 comprehensive
2:46:05 reading plan to the department for this specific use.
2:46:07 I think that’s new statute.
2:46:08 Yeah.
2:46:09 Okay.
2:46:10 Based upon a root cause analysis.
2:46:11 We’re good.
2:46:12 That’s the change.
2:46:13 Yep.
2:46:14 We’re good to say we will take the NEOLA update and check
2:46:18 annually.
2:46:19 Is that what we want to do?
2:46:20 Well, I think we need a consensus.
2:46:22 So it doesn’t, I mean, whatever everyone wants.
2:46:24 To me periodically means more often or gives room for more often.
2:46:28 Yeah.
2:46:29 So I think, yeah, I think periodically is better than annually.
2:46:32 You okay with that?
2:46:33 I’m fine with it.
2:46:34 Okay.
2:46:35 Moving on from 2210.
2:46:36 We’re going to take the NEOLA update onto 22.
2:46:39 Hang on.
2:46:40 Let me make sure there’s nothing in between there.
2:46:42 Yep.
2:46:43 2215.
2:46:44 So this one we have updates on.
2:46:47 Yep.
2:46:48 Have you guys had a chance to look at the two options?
2:47:01 There’s only one option.
2:47:04 No, there’s two different options within the one version.
2:47:09 Oh, oh, oh, oh.
2:47:10 Yeah.
2:47:11 I’m sorry.
2:47:12 I didn’t clarify.
2:47:13 Yep.
2:47:14 This policy is actually going to be revised with new legislation
2:47:19 that’s passing.
2:47:19 It certainly is.
2:47:20 Yeah.
2:47:21 Do you want to pause on this until we get it?
2:47:24 Well, I think.
2:47:25 Because we’re just going to have to redo it anyway.
2:47:26 You’re going to have to redo it.
2:47:27 Yeah.
2:47:28 Tons of this is going to end up being changed after this session.
2:47:30 Paul, are you okay with that?
2:47:31 Yep.
2:47:31 Take this one.
2:47:32 Pause it and bring it back.
2:47:33 All right.
2:47:34 Great point, guys.
2:47:35 Moving through these.
2:47:37 All right.
2:47:38 So we’re next is 2216.
2:47:41 They have gifted education.
2:47:46 Looks like we made our own.
2:47:47 And Neola has nothing.
2:47:48 This is a first.
2:47:49 And we did.
2:47:50 And I looked through it.
2:47:51 Extensive work on this.
2:47:52 And I looked at it.
2:47:53 And I said, this is great.
2:47:54 This might be the longest policy we have.
2:47:57 And we created it on our own.
2:47:58 No, it’s not.
2:47:59 The financial policy that Cindy brought us a couple years ago is
2:48:02 the longest policy that
2:48:03 we have.
2:48:04 I haven’t actually looked.
2:48:05 But I remember.
2:48:06 You remember, Cindy, when we did that?
2:48:07 It was.
2:48:08 It’s very long.
2:48:09 It’s even longer than charter school policy.
2:48:10 We’ll get there.
2:48:11 Yeah.
2:48:12 So are we okay?
2:48:13 I looked through it.
2:48:14 Are you okay with that?
2:48:15 Yeah.
2:48:16 No, I don’t have this one marked up at all.
2:48:17 So I’ll just give you.
2:48:18 I mean, one of the things that we did in that was to screen, one,
2:48:21 we’re screening all kids
2:48:23 in second grade.
2:48:24 So you kind of remove that.
2:48:25 You know, either the parent had to say, I think my kid’s gifted,
2:48:28 or the teacher had to
2:48:29 say, we’re doing that initial screening for everybody in the
2:48:31 second grade.
2:48:32 And just trying to open that up and make it a little more
2:48:34 equitable.
2:48:35 But we did a lot of work on that.
2:48:37 I’m not saying I’m not willing to do a lot of work again.
2:48:39 But I think we have a good one there.
2:48:42 Yeah.
2:48:43 All right.
2:48:44 We’re good.
2:48:45 All right.
2:48:46 Moving on.
2:48:47 22-20.
2:48:48 Adoption of courses of study.
2:48:51 They haven’t changed anything since 2002.
2:48:56 Is there anything in here regarding financial literacy and the
2:49:00 implementation of that?
2:49:02 Let me look.
2:49:03 Sorry.
2:49:04 I don’t know that it gets specific to the actual courses of
2:49:10 study.
2:49:11 Okay.
2:49:12 Right, right.
2:49:13 Yeah.
2:49:14 It just talks about what’s required within them and for them to
2:49:18 be presented.
2:49:19 Right, right.
2:49:20 Okay.
2:49:21 If we’re going to do something new, it has to have all these
2:49:23 things.
2:49:24 Okay.
2:49:25 We’re okay?
2:49:26 Yeah.
2:49:27 It’s exactly the same, right?
2:49:28 Yep.
2:49:29 Okay.
2:49:30 I’ll show it.
2:49:31 Updated.
2:49:32 22-30 on this one.
2:49:34 Is there something on the old one?
2:49:36 Nope.
2:49:37 There we go.
2:49:38 Course guides.
2:49:39 All right.
2:49:40 22-30 course guides.
2:49:41 Oh, wait.
2:49:42 That’s right.
2:49:43 Does that be in line with almost identical to what it was?
2:49:44 It’s like this is different than normal.
2:49:46 I know, but like – I know I’m trying to like –
2:49:50 It adds H.
2:49:51 So –
2:49:52 Usually it’s spread out.
2:49:53 Yeah.
2:49:54 So when you look at the bottom section of it, we don’t have
2:49:57 anything selected there for
2:49:59 the – all right.
2:50:00 So it says the superintendent shall be responsible for the
2:50:03 preparation.
2:50:04 Of course, guides and may establish administrative procedures
2:50:07 related to the preparation.
2:50:08 But then it looks like we should have selected one of those two
2:50:12 options, right?
2:50:14 Or both.
2:50:15 I don’t think it’s a have to.
2:50:17 They would have told us if we had to.
2:50:18 Where are you?
2:50:19 At the bottom.
2:50:21 The bottom, where there’s a check.
2:50:22 Do you have to be responsible for the preparation of course
2:50:24 guides of the –
2:50:24 All new course guides and the existing guides shall be submitted
2:50:27 to the board for approval.
2:50:29 I like that.
2:50:30 We’re still there.
2:50:31 I thought we left that.
2:50:32 Before they are implemented.
2:50:33 Yeah.
2:50:34 Sorry.
2:50:35 I thought we moved on.
2:50:36 I think both of them.
2:50:37 I can’t see a disadvantage of having all of those in the policy.
2:50:40 I agree.
2:50:41 Do we – have we done that before?
2:50:43 Course guides submit to this – to the board for approval?
2:50:48 No?
2:50:49 They’re all online.
2:50:50 Yeah.
2:50:51 They’re all online.
2:50:52 Yeah.
2:50:53 That’s why it’s not checked.
2:50:54 I think it should be added to the policy for the board to review
2:50:55 it.
2:50:55 Gene?
2:50:56 Yep.
2:50:57 Okay.
2:50:58 How about you guys?
2:50:59 Any objections to adding it?
2:51:00 Red flags?
2:51:01 No?
2:51:02 Okay.
2:51:03 Does that mean we need to go back and –
2:51:04 approve all of the course guides that we have?
2:51:05 No.
2:51:06 It says new.
2:51:07 It says new –
2:51:08 It says all new course guides.
2:51:09 And revisions of existing.
2:51:10 So yeah.
2:51:11 If they’re all online, I guess we don’t need to keep them in a
2:51:11 file in the office of the
2:51:11 Yeah, that’s really outdated.
2:51:12 It’s definitely 2002.
2:51:13 That’s very outdated.
2:51:14 Oh, come on.
2:51:15 We can – I mean, I’m a paper girl.
2:51:16 I like to have things that I can flip through and write on and
2:51:17 make notes, but –
2:51:17 People can go online and print them out.
2:51:18 Yeah.
2:51:19 But what if the end of the course guides didn’t work?
2:51:20 No.
2:51:21 Okay.
2:51:22 That’s right.
2:51:23 Okay.
2:51:26 Does that mean we need to go back and approve all of the course
2:51:28 guides that we have?
2:51:28 No.
2:51:29 It says new.
2:51:31 It says all new course guides.
2:51:32 And revisions of existing.
2:51:33 So yeah.
2:51:34 If they’re all online, I guess we don’t need to keep them in a
2:51:35 file in the office –
2:51:35 Yeah.
2:51:36 That’s really outdated.
2:51:37 It’s definitely 2002.
2:51:38 That’s very outdated.
2:51:39 Oh, come on.
2:51:40 We can –
2:51:41 I mean, I’m a paper girl.
2:51:42 We can go online and print them out.
2:51:43 Yeah.
2:51:44 But what if the internet fails?
2:51:46 Oh.
2:51:47 Don’t, don’t.
2:51:48 Don’t.
2:51:49 All right.
2:51:50 So check the first one in its –
2:51:51 Before they are implemented.
2:51:54 Get rid of the copies on all current course guides.
2:51:56 We’re good to go?
2:51:57 Hold on.
2:51:58 I’m just – I don’t know about the before they’re implemented
2:52:00 thing because that is
2:52:01 going to pose a barrier very likely in terms of timing of
2:52:04 meetings and things that
2:52:05 have to get rolling and the last-minute changes that often our
2:52:08 state makes.
2:52:08 As they walk to the podium, I think they’re going to say all of
2:52:11 that.
2:52:11 Well, sort of.
2:52:12 Yeah.
2:52:13 All the curriculum guides are online.
2:52:14 We review them every single summer and make adaptive changes
2:52:22 based on changes of state statute,
2:52:26 course code guides, things like that.
2:52:28 Super transparent.
2:52:29 More than happy to put them in front of the board.
2:52:32 Timing in terms of before implemented might be a little
2:52:36 difficult.
2:52:37 They basically get redone every summer and then rolled out –
2:52:42 redone minor changes.
2:52:43 But it would fall under that language.
2:52:45 We’d certainly put them on a board agenda.
2:52:48 It’s not a problem.
2:52:49 But it might be difficult to say before they’re used because
2:52:53 they’re a resource for our teachers.
2:52:54 So would there be anything that would stop you from just, I
2:52:58 guess, putting them in front of the board during the summer
2:53:01 meeting for us to review them?
2:53:03 And then if there were any issues with them, I don’t suspect
2:53:06 there would be.
2:53:07 We also get teacher input to what they want changed.
2:53:12 For example, the ELA, the pacing curriculum guides, those are
2:53:17 all going to be some revisions this summer again.
2:53:20 Right.
2:53:21 So the timing is the issue because we will finish them the last
2:53:27 – middle of July for August.
2:53:30 So – but absolutely, we’ll bring them to you.
2:53:33 But –
2:53:34 Under consent, are we imagining just the process?
2:53:37 I think putting the before implementation piece puts a really
2:53:42 big barrier and burden on our staff.
2:53:44 And it takes the fluidity out of a very fluid, active document
2:53:47 that should naturally have revisions when things aren’t going
2:53:50 well or do need to be changed because they’re mandated.
2:53:54 But it doesn’t stop it from coming before us whenever most
2:53:58 likely available right after.
2:54:00 I don’t – I think that’s a burden that we’re going to put on
2:54:03 our staff for no reason.
2:54:04 And I guess the only reason I have pause about this again is
2:54:06 because of us being responsible for all curriculum that, you
2:54:10 know, statutorily we are.
2:54:11 So I would like to review it and if there is an issue.
2:54:14 Absolutely.
2:54:15 No problem.
2:54:16 All right.
2:54:17 Thank you.
2:54:18 We’ll get them to you.
2:54:19 You can even just send me an e-mail and –
2:54:21 Well, I think –
2:54:22 We don’t mind at all.
2:54:23 Yeah.
2:54:24 We actually like that it’s public and clear.
2:54:26 Yeah.
2:54:27 We direct a lot of families to the site.
2:54:28 It’s not a problem at all.
2:54:29 Ms. Hand has this meeting twice a week for the rest of the year.
2:54:32 So we’ll be fine.
2:54:33 Plenty of opportunities to bring it forward.
2:54:34 The rest of the year.
2:54:35 Twice a week.
2:54:36 Wait.
2:54:38 Wait a minute.
2:54:39 There you go.
2:54:40 So maybe it would be helpful.
2:54:42 I think it would be helpful to me.
2:54:44 When we’re talking about these course guides, are we talking
2:54:47 about what you shared, Ms. Klein,
2:54:50 about the – like the pacing guide?
2:54:52 Are we talking about a pacing guide?
2:54:53 Are we talking about we’re going to have a new course – I mean,
2:54:59 it doesn’t say course of study.
2:55:00 But I mean – well, it does say course of study.
2:55:03 But are we talking – like if we’re going to have a new class
2:55:07 offered that you’re – I don’t know that I – I don’t know that
2:55:10 the board really wants to see you adjusted the pacing guide
2:55:12 because it was going too fast.
2:55:13 I – I – I don’t think we need to approve that.
2:55:17 Or we had some events so we need to slow it down.
2:55:20 I don’t know that that’s what this policy is asking.
2:55:25 So I mean – but – so I – I think we need to get it – get
2:55:28 down to what is the – that the board wants to see before it
2:55:32 gets started.
2:55:32 And what way do we want to see it?
2:55:34 Do we want it have to come before a meeting and we’re going to
2:55:36 approve it?
2:55:37 Or do we’re just saying – are we just saying make us aware?
2:55:40 I – I would say it says board for approval.
2:55:42 And then when you’re looking at course guides, what do you –
2:55:45 what do you – what is that envision in your mind?
2:55:47 I know it’s not the pacing guide.
2:55:48 So they’re a little different.
2:55:49 So if you went to our social studies webpage, you would see a
2:55:52 link for each of the courses.
2:55:54 So civics, U.S. history, economics.
2:55:57 You would see some curriculum resources, some guides and pacing,
2:56:01 some ancillary supports to ways to address diverse learners.
2:56:06 Like our students with disabilities, how to modify the
2:56:08 curriculum.
2:56:09 Just see all kinds of things in a math.
2:56:12 You’re going to see a lot more pacing just because that’s
2:56:15 inherently math.
2:56:16 In ELA, you’re going to see our specialists have pulled and add
2:56:21 depth to what’s in the curriculum.
2:56:24 So they’re all a little different depending on the course.
2:56:28 Super easy for us to link to all of that if that is sufficient
2:56:33 in a board agenda.
2:56:34 And we can, you know, put a little new or, you know, updated or
2:56:39 not updated next to it or something like that.
2:56:41 Really like our public viewing them, giving feedback on them.
2:56:44 So it’s not a problem at all.
2:56:46 It just – the problem will be the language on the prior to
2:56:50 implementation.
2:56:51 Given it’s mostly just supplemental content or sequenced content.
2:56:58 Honestly, it’s a little easier to put them all.
2:57:01 Okay, so –
2:57:02 We can get to yes anywhere.
2:57:04 My one pause would be, it may not perfectly be before school
2:57:08 starts from when they finish to when we can give you guys an
2:57:11 update.
2:57:12 But I don’t see why by not early August.
2:57:14 And the other layer of that is, is that they’re not going to
2:57:17 teach the entire course on the first day.
2:57:19 So you see what I mean?
2:57:21 So like, whereas we’re saying before you start, well, if you
2:57:24 know, the first week and a half is just basically finding the
2:57:26 bathroom and telling them how to write their names at the top of
2:57:29 the paper half the time.
2:57:29 Right?
2:57:30 So I think we’re in a good place if we can get to there.
2:57:32 Not my class.
2:57:33 Maybe your class.
2:57:34 Not my class.
2:57:35 Ms. Campbell.
2:57:36 Ms. Campbell, like seriously, like let’s just talk about the
2:57:39 first week of school.
2:57:39 And again, their guides.
2:57:40 Their guides for teachers and some are used much more closely,
2:57:43 particularly our new teachers, others less.
2:57:45 Our veteran teachers are less dependent on those guides.
2:57:48 We ask them to review them for mandatory content.
2:57:51 There’s a lot of mandatory content in our state, so.
2:57:54 So I guess, I mean, I’m okay with removing the before they are
2:57:57 implemented.
2:57:58 If they go on the agenda, then at least honestly, that will help
2:58:02 with our public engagement to seeing these changes and revisions.
2:58:05 So I think that that’s a win-win all the way around.
2:58:07 Yeah.
2:58:08 We agree.
2:58:09 What do you guys think?
2:58:10 Sounds good to me.
2:58:11 Yeah.
2:58:12 To not put the before.
2:58:13 Before they’re implemented.
2:58:14 Yeah.
2:58:15 That’d be helpful.
2:58:16 For us to be able to review it.
2:58:17 Yeah.
2:58:18 Because I think it’s contradictory too, by putting the
2:58:19 implemented, because ultimately this is the role and
2:58:19 responsibility of the superintendent.
2:58:20 Adding the first checkmark is just putting another eye on it.
2:58:25 But if we put the implemented, I think it’s taking the
2:58:28 responsibility away from the superintendent.
2:58:30 Well, I think it’s giving us.
2:58:33 Okay.
2:58:34 Moving on.
2:58:35 Paul, do you have direction?
2:58:36 Yep.
2:58:37 All right.
2:58:38 Moving on.
2:58:39 22.
2:58:40 Hang on a second.
2:58:41 I’m going to make sure.
2:58:43 2240.
2:58:44 Controversial issues.
2:58:45 Yes.
2:58:46 All right.
2:58:47 Here we go.
2:58:48 It’s actually not a very good question.
2:58:49 I know.
2:58:50 It’s really not a very controversial policy.
2:58:51 I know.
2:58:53 It’s really not.
2:58:54 It’s for kids.
2:58:55 It’s pretty benign.
2:58:56 I know.
2:58:57 Actually, so every year I teach at the Teacher Leadership
2:59:01 Academy.
2:59:02 Linda Buffum has invited me to do that.
2:59:04 I just did it last week.
2:59:05 And this is a policy I used to give them as an example.
2:59:10 But it’s pretty tame.
2:59:11 And Neola hasn’t updated theirs since 2002.
2:59:11 I think this is also going to be one that’s going to change with
2:59:21 – my computer’s logging
2:59:24 me out for some reason.
2:59:25 Sorry.
2:59:26 Legislation to some degree.
2:59:27 This – ours is actually – am I on the right one?
2:59:29 Ours is longer.
2:59:30 It’s just broken up.
2:59:31 Is it just the formatting?
2:59:32 It’s just making it – it’s making it very clear and separate
2:59:40 that parents can have concerns
2:59:43 and communicate that with staff.
2:59:44 Yep.
2:59:45 Yeah.
2:59:46 So are we okay with just telling Paul, hey, listen, anything
2:59:48 that’s not inside there from
2:59:49 the first Neola – or from the Neola update, but we keep our
2:59:54 policy here?
2:59:55 Yeah.
2:59:56 I don’t – our policy is actually stronger than the Neola’s
2:59:58 policy.
2:59:58 Yep.
2:59:59 If that’s okay.
3:00:00 And then in the event that something happens that updates it, it’ll
3:00:02 come forward to us with
3:00:03 other ones.
3:00:04 Yeah.
3:00:05 We’re good with that, Paul?
3:00:06 This one’s also been done in the last five years.
3:00:08 Yep.
3:00:09 Ms. Campbell, you’re excited to find those ones that have been
3:00:11 –
3:00:11 I was just going to say, like –
3:00:12 It’s good to do them now, though, so we don’t have to go through
3:00:15 this.
3:00:16 I counted.
3:00:17 There’s 23.
3:00:18 I’m like, there’s 23.
3:00:19 Okay.
3:00:21 So –
3:00:22 We do not have a 2250.
3:00:23 All right.
3:00:24 So we’re good.
3:00:25 2250.
3:00:26 Innovative program.
3:00:27 You mean to tell me we don’t have it?
3:00:28 We do not.
3:00:29 We have many innovative programs.
3:00:31 Unless it’s somewhere else.
3:00:32 Right.
3:00:33 I truly believe we don’t need this when I was looking at it.
3:00:38 You know, it basically puts handcuffs on – any innovative
3:00:42 program has to put all of these
3:00:43 things together, in-service requirements, assessment – it’s
3:00:46 just – it’s not needed.
3:00:48 We okay with that?
3:00:49 Yep.
3:00:51 All right.
3:00:52 Moving on.
3:00:53 2260.
3:00:54 I think our policy looks significantly different than Neil, as I
3:00:57 wrote.
3:00:57 So I need to look at – this is the trouble with looking at
3:01:02 these two months ago.
3:01:04 Because now I’m like, I don’t remember.
3:01:06 All right.
3:01:07 We just updated this one last year.
3:01:08 Oops.
3:01:09 One page.
3:01:10 You know how many trees, Tammy, saved by printing them in size
3:01:15 four font?
3:01:16 It was just so this didn’t look quite so bad when you’re like,
3:01:23 oh.
3:01:23 All right.
3:01:24 So.
3:01:26 I think this is one that we can do is add anything that Neola
3:01:32 suggests and keep any of the stuff
3:01:36 that we have, if you guys are feeling comfortable with that.
3:01:38 There’s lots of options.
3:01:39 Yeah.
3:01:40 I mean, like the – what was this?
3:01:41 So our policy like kind of picks up towards the middle of page
3:01:44 two or something.
3:01:45 It’s like – it’s like we missed the whole first page or
3:01:49 something.
3:01:50 if you guys are feeling comfortable with that.
3:01:51 There’s lots of options.
3:01:53 Yeah.
3:01:54 I mean, like the, what was this?
3:01:56 So our policy, like, kind of picks up towards the middle of page
3:02:02 two or something.
3:02:03 It’s like we missed the whole first page.
3:02:06 All right.
3:02:12 Anyone?
3:02:12 Reward does not.
3:02:15 All right.
3:02:19 So again, this is something that clearly has been updated
3:02:29 by the legislation changing last session.
3:02:34 I don’t see the oppressive comment.
3:02:40 Oppressive.
3:02:44 Hold on.
3:02:45 Give me a second.
3:02:49 Ours.
3:02:50 Right.
3:02:52 Which I think is new.
3:02:54 This is what I’m getting on.
3:02:55 Gosh.
3:02:56 It looks like we took the first paragraph
3:02:58 and then we opted for the second option on this one.
3:03:02 Mm-hmm.
3:03:03 Yeah.
3:03:13 Any suggestions?
3:03:14 Give me a minute.
3:03:23 Sorry, this one’s a long one.
3:03:25 This is an 11-pager.
3:03:26 We found a longer policy.
3:03:27 All right.
3:03:29 Paul, do you want to make any suggestions to us on that Neola
3:03:37 policy?
3:03:38 Mm-hmm.
3:03:39 I can go through and scan for anything that’s been added since
3:03:43 we did and added into ours.
3:03:44 that we don’t have.
3:04:00 Is that okay with you guys?
3:04:01 Yeah.
3:04:02 When I was looking through it, it pretty much just follows.
3:04:06 Yeah.
3:04:06 Are you okay with that, Ms. Campbell?
3:04:10 Bring it back to us?
3:04:12 Sure.
3:04:14 Okay, Mr. Trent, we’re good?
3:04:16 Yeah, I’m good with that.
3:04:17 Okay.
3:04:17 Moving on.
3:04:19 22.
3:04:21 Let’s see what the next one is.
3:04:24 Make sure I don’t miss one here.
3:04:27 2260-001.
3:04:30 All right, this is.
3:04:31 All right, so there seems to be this ADA thing.
3:04:36 Well, this looks like a.
3:04:39 Ours has appeal process procedures.
3:04:44 What are you looking at?
3:04:47 We’re at 2260.01.
3:04:48 Our policy is different than theirs.
3:04:49 Oh, yeah.
3:04:49 Ours is not about 504.
3:04:50 Is that you?
3:04:51 Facilities.
3:04:51 Yeah.
3:04:51 This is a part of a whole package that we did together last year
3:04:54 on anti-harassment and non-discrimination.
3:05:10 We did a whole group of policies kind of all at the same time.
3:05:14 So do we need to, I mean, it looks like we obviously need to add
3:05:22 this 2260.01 to match what theirs is and maybe renumber ours.
3:05:30 I’m trying to see if this is maybe in the future.
3:05:33 So I don’t, I don’t see.
3:05:34 Is this the same thing as the other one?
3:05:36 Is this the other one?
3:05:37 No.
3:05:38 So my gut feeling is 2260.01 from NEOLA is law.
3:05:43 Is wrong?
3:05:44 No, it’s law.
3:05:45 I mean, it’s not.
3:05:46 I don’t think we need a policy on it.
3:05:47 Yeah, yeah.
3:05:48 No, it looks very much like law.
3:05:49 Yeah.
3:05:50 But ours looks a lot, this looks a lot like law too.
3:05:52 So the anti-harassment and non-discrimination appeal procedures.
3:05:56 Yeah, I’m sure it is.
3:05:58 But the numbers for sure need to be fixed.
3:06:01 Okay.
3:06:02 So should we add in NEOLA’s 2260.01 and then change the number
3:06:10 of ours to .02?
3:06:11 Well, I think NEOLA has a .02 as well and a .03.
3:06:15 Say what?
3:06:16 No, that’s 61.
3:06:18 Never mind.
3:06:19 You’re looking, I’m saying 2260.02.
3:06:20 Yeah.
3:06:21 Makes sense.
3:06:22 Yeah, we can get them to renumber ours to be 02.
3:06:25 Okay.
3:06:26 And then add in there 2260.01 because we do not have, I mean,
3:06:35 there’s actually parts of this
3:06:36 that are in our 2260.01.
3:06:39 Go with your direction.
3:06:40 You got the gap open here.
3:06:41 I’m going to go use the direction real quick.
3:06:42 Okay.
3:06:43 Let’s do the next one.
3:06:46 Uh-huh.
3:06:52 What’s the thoughts of the board?
3:06:54 So the, the compliance officers haven’t, this is, is this just
3:06:58 504s?
3:06:59 Mm-hmm.
3:07:00 This is all federal stuff.
3:07:02 So we, we do it.
3:07:03 I was trying to see if we had one somewhere else.
3:07:05 Yeah.
3:07:07 The compliance officer.
3:07:08 Right.
3:07:09 Okay.
3:07:10 Specifically four 504s?
3:07:11 Yeah.
3:07:12 And it talks about you’re having to name them and everything and
3:07:16 we do that.
3:07:17 So.
3:07:18 Do we have a separate male one and a female one?
3:07:20 I saw that somewhere in there.
3:07:21 I’m not sure what the point of that is.
3:07:23 Well, depending on the event that took place and you may want.
3:07:30 Oh.
3:07:31 You know.
3:07:32 Yeah.
3:07:34 So we need to look at this.
3:07:41 Yeah.
3:07:42 We, I’m not seeing anything just in a cursory glance that we
3:07:48 have.
3:07:49 We don’t have any policies labeled 504.
3:07:52 We have lots of policies that talk about 504.
3:07:54 But adopt their 2260.01 and then rename ours.
3:07:58 I think we’re probably going to run into ours somewhere else.
3:08:01 Oh.
3:08:02 Because ours, this is just the appeal procedures.
3:08:04 Yeah.
3:08:05 Ours is the appeal procedures.
3:08:06 Theirs is.
3:08:07 For the policy report.
3:08:08 Yeah.
3:08:09 Yes.
3:08:10 Yeah.
3:08:12 So what do you guys think?
3:08:13 Yeah.
3:08:14 I’m fine with that.
3:08:15 Ms. Jenkins.
3:08:16 Yeah, that’s fine.
3:08:17 I just, I feel like we have it somewhere, but.
3:08:21 Mr. Trent.
3:08:26 Okay.
3:08:27 Yeah.
3:08:28 Okay.
3:08:29 Does our, does our, is there so much of a separate process, Paul,
3:08:34 that, that what we have
3:08:36 in 2260 will not cover?
3:08:40 Because this is still about discrimination.
3:08:42 Right.
3:08:43 I haven’t done a line item.
3:08:44 There might be things in as required by federal.
3:08:47 Yeah.
3:08:48 I mean, this does, because this speaks specifically to somebody
3:08:50 with a disability.
3:08:50 Look at paragraph number two of this 2260.01.
3:08:53 Right.
3:08:54 There’s probably a lot of overlap in how we handle it.
3:08:57 Okay.
3:09:00 So moving on.
3:09:03 Where are we at?
3:09:04 Are we good?
3:09:05 2261.
3:09:06 I think we got three of that.
3:09:07 We’re going to rename this one.
3:09:08 We’re at 2261.
3:09:09 All right.
3:09:10 2261.
3:09:11 If you go to the top of it, title one services.
3:09:16 When I looked at it, I didn’t see anything that was concerning.
3:09:23 It seems like we had pretty much all of the options there.
3:09:26 If everybody’s okay with it.
3:09:29 I didn’t see.
3:09:30 The only thing I didn’t see on there was the F portion, which is
3:09:34 in ours.
3:09:35 Some simultaneous services.
3:09:37 That’s a lot.
3:09:38 If you guys are okay with Paul updating it to include anything
3:09:42 that may not be in there that we currently have.
3:09:44 Because if you look down at F.
3:09:46 Yeah.
3:09:47 Okay.
3:09:48 So if you guys are okay with that, we can move on.
3:09:51 Yeah.
3:09:52 Were you saying F?
3:09:53 Oh, ours.
3:09:54 On our policy.
3:09:55 We have simultaneous services.
3:09:57 If that’s okay.
3:09:58 Yeah.
3:09:59 And we, there’s actually, there’s something in under, I don’t
3:10:03 know.
3:10:03 It’s absolutely necessary, but under participation there, there’s,
3:10:07 they’ve got a couple extra things in there.
3:10:09 Okay.
3:10:10 So update this one to match NEOLA’s then and still keep our
3:10:14 simultaneous services.
3:10:16 Or at least have staff take a look at it.
3:10:18 Yeah.
3:10:19 Okay.
3:10:20 Good.
3:10:21 All right.
3:10:22 226101, parent participation.
3:10:25 And because we had this conversation where there were only a few
3:10:29 staff members in the room,
3:10:30 even though they were probably watching from their offices.
3:10:32 I just to clarify, because it looks like we’re dumping a whole
3:10:35 bunch of policies.
3:10:36 I believe the direction of the board is as we can get to it.
3:10:40 If there’s some that we come, like we did with the remote work
3:10:44 and say, we need to do this.
3:10:45 We need to do this now.
3:10:46 But everything else is as we, because we, you know, it’s not
3:10:49 like you guys aren’t working on anything else.
3:10:50 Yeah.
3:10:51 All right.
3:10:52 So parent participation in Title I programs is what is.
3:10:57 This is a good, if you guys read it, it’s really good.
3:10:59 Yeah.
3:11:00 It talks about the development of all those other things.
3:11:02 We, I wanted to say that there’s been some push to possibly use,
3:11:07 like we can get more parent participation with some of these.
3:11:11 If we were to try to get some sort of like a mobile fingerprinting
3:11:14 to the actual locations.
3:11:15 You know what I mean?
3:11:16 Oh yeah.
3:11:17 That would be tremendous.
3:11:18 You know what I mean?
3:11:19 We have one.
3:11:20 We have, we have two actually.
3:11:21 The problem we have is, is that our staff getting out there and
3:11:24 doing it, you know what I mean?
3:11:25 Right.
3:11:26 Because it only certain people can do it.
3:11:27 Yeah.
3:11:28 So asking.
3:11:29 But we do have, because I asked for them.
3:11:30 We have, we have, but then COVID hit.
3:11:31 They’re like, we literally.
3:11:32 So how do you get those mobile fingerprinting services to your
3:11:35 school?
3:11:35 Because I would love to know.
3:11:36 Quiring minds would love to know.
3:11:38 I’ve sent her an email and they’re looking into it.
3:11:41 We’re looking at it.
3:11:42 Okay.
3:11:43 To be determined.
3:11:44 The problem we had before is district security was having to do
3:11:46 it.
3:11:46 And then it was, they were on a, you know, didn’t have the
3:11:50 availability of many people.
3:11:51 So I think now they’re collaboratively looking at how to do that.
3:11:55 Thank you.
3:11:56 Or even if we were able to just set up a, one in each of our
3:11:58 district, you know, periodically,
3:11:59 that would probably be tremendous as helping some of our
3:12:02 volunteers.
3:12:02 I agree.
3:12:03 We’ll do what we can.
3:12:04 Thank you.
3:12:05 Yes.
3:12:06 I just have to highlight while we have the opportunity is, you
3:12:07 know, one of the ladies
3:12:08 who works in the office who does that is a volunteer for them.
3:12:11 She’s an amazing volunteer.
3:12:13 But our district security office.
3:12:16 The thing is though, is, is that there wasn’t enough.
3:12:19 Like there was a, there was a bandwidth concern.
3:12:21 So I think Ms.
3:12:22 Han is going to put together an effective opportunity for it.
3:12:24 So if you guys are okay, the parent participation in title one
3:12:27 programs, it’s really cool.
3:12:29 I feel okay that if we can pass the updated version that we have
3:12:34 from Neola, it feels pretty
3:12:36 good.
3:12:37 Ours is the same.
3:12:38 Yeah.
3:12:39 It’s the same.
3:12:40 Ours is the same.
3:12:41 Right.
3:12:42 Or whatever.
3:12:43 I mean, it’s a little different.
3:12:44 Yeah.
3:12:45 So if we’re okay with any changes that might be there, if it’s
3:12:48 not identical or just moving
3:12:49 forward, we’re good.
3:12:50 Yeah.
3:12:51 All right.
3:12:53 Next one is 2261.02.
3:12:58 According to Ms. Jenkins, they are identical.
3:13:01 So if everybody’s okay.
3:13:02 We’re good to go.
3:13:03 Mm-hmm.
3:13:04 All right.
3:13:05 Moving on to 2261.0.
3:13:06 Let me make sure we don’t have, yep.
3:13:07 Zero three annual report requirements.
3:13:08 I wrote something on here and I don’t know why I wrote it.
3:13:09 Ours was more extensive.
3:13:10 Yeah.
3:13:15 I like ours.
3:13:16 Yep.
3:13:17 He’s fine.
3:13:18 I don’t know why I wrote that.
3:13:21 Let me make sure we don’t have.
3:13:22 Yep.
3:13:23 Zero three annual report requirements.
3:13:24 I wrote something on here and I don’t know why I wrote it.
3:13:25 Ours was more extensive.
3:13:26 Yeah.
3:13:35 I like ours.
3:13:36 Yeah.
3:13:40 I don’t know why I wrote that.
3:13:41 I would say in this regard, if we can ask Paul to add anything
3:13:46 that Neola has added into
3:13:48 the original policy we have, but we have more that we require
3:13:52 for ours than is required
3:13:54 on that.
3:13:55 Yeah.
3:14:03 Okay.
3:14:04 Mm-hmm.
3:14:05 We’re gay with that.
3:14:06 All right.
3:14:07 Paul, you good?
3:14:08 Yep.
3:14:09 All right.
3:14:10 Moving on.
3:14:11 I think the next one is 2262.
3:14:13 We don’t have latchkey programs.
3:14:14 Hello?
3:14:15 No.
3:14:16 We don’t call it that.
3:14:17 So that’s why we have a version number two, which is, again,
3:14:20 identical.
3:14:20 We call this school-age childcare.
3:14:21 Is that what you mean?
3:14:22 Or what?
3:14:23 What is it?
3:14:24 Version two?
3:14:25 Yeah.
3:14:26 I think latchkey is kind of a –
3:14:27 When I was a child.
3:14:28 Outdated.
3:14:29 Yeah.
3:14:30 That’s what I was growing up.
3:14:31 Child of the ’80s.
3:14:32 Yeah.
3:14:33 Or the ’90s.
3:14:34 And some of our kids.
3:14:35 I was always in the Everglades.
3:14:36 That’s what I grew up.
3:14:37 All right.
3:14:38 So if you look at 2262 version two, looks like –
3:14:43 It’s the same.
3:14:44 Yep.
3:14:45 Yeah.
3:14:46 Yep.
3:14:47 So we’re just going to mark that one reviewed.
3:14:50 Yep.
3:14:51 Next up, 2266, non-discrimination on the basis of sex and
3:15:01 education programs and activity.
3:15:03 This is another one that’s going to be updated with this
3:15:05 legislative session, so –
3:15:06 Yep.
3:15:07 Do you want to pause on this one until it gets updated?
3:15:10 I would say pause on this one, yeah.
3:15:11 Well, I mean, here’s the thing is we – they’ll send us an
3:15:16 update if it needs to be.
3:15:17 Yep.
3:15:18 Right.
3:15:19 Yeah.
3:15:20 I feel confident that we just wait until they update it and then
3:15:23 we get it back.
3:15:24 And the Title IX regs are also being updated right now, so –
3:15:27 Yeah.
3:15:28 They’re going to change again, yeah, with the federal law.
3:15:29 Good.
3:15:30 Needs to be.
3:15:31 Okay.
3:15:32 Then we’re good on that one.
3:15:34 2270 is the next one according to our booklet.
3:15:37 Yep.
3:15:38 Religion in the Curriculum.
3:15:40 There’s some things inside the statute that since this was here
3:15:45 have been updated.
3:15:47 So these are statutory law.
3:15:49 It’s not like I’m trying to add these things to it, but I really
3:15:52 like them.
3:15:53 It talks about the district board shall install – and this was
3:15:59 what was really cool.
3:15:59 The district school board may install the public schools in the
3:16:02 district, a secular program of education, including but not
3:16:05 limited to an objective study of the Bible and of religion.
3:16:08 That’s not in here.
3:16:09 Also, the district school board may provide that a brief period
3:16:12 not to exceed two minutes for the purpose of silent prayer or
3:16:14 mediation be set aside at the start of each school day and each
3:16:18 week.
3:16:18 That’s actually required by state statute that passed.
3:16:21 Yep.
3:16:22 The two minutes, one minute?
3:16:24 Two minutes.
3:16:25 I can’t see from that far away.
3:16:26 Two minutes.
3:16:28 One minute of silence.
3:16:30 Two minutes.
3:16:31 Not to exceed two minutes.
3:16:33 It’s literally statute.
3:16:34 I’m reading it from the statute.
3:16:35 And then what was interesting was is I pulled up another one
3:16:39 that talks from the code law, and it had a couple of other
3:16:43 additions to it that were interesting.
3:16:45 But I think in this regard, religious in the curriculum, if we’re
3:16:50 going to update it to include those things that I just spoke to,
3:16:54 and I think that’s fair.
3:16:59 Anybody else have anything that they want to add to it?
3:17:01 No, I’m in favor of updating this policy, honestly.
3:17:04 So it would have to be our own updates because Neil left.
3:17:10 Yeah, it’s just adding what is inside the statute to the actual
3:17:14 policy.
3:17:15 I’m going to need you to provide that and read that again.
3:17:17 Well, if you’ll go look at 21003.45, you’ll see what I just read
3:17:24 exact.
3:17:25 And all I’m saying is is that we should just add it to the
3:17:30 actual, to the policy.
3:17:32 That’s all.
3:17:33 Yeah.
3:17:34 Okay.
3:17:35 We’re good?
3:17:36 I’m not good.
3:17:37 I didn’t say I was good.
3:17:38 All right.
3:17:39 Well, if you want to look at the statute, I mean, it’s not, it’s
3:17:43 just, it’s law.
3:17:44 So we spoke about this before, about adding certain things to
3:17:48 the actual policy that are law, that are pertinent.
3:17:50 I think this one is one that we could do.
3:17:55 All right.
3:17:57 So all we’re deciding today is if we’re going to update this
3:18:02 policy or not.
3:18:03 We’re not deciding exactly what’s going to go in it and all that.
3:18:06 That’s what you’re asking us.
3:18:08 No, I just, what it is, is we have this one, which is, we have
3:18:12 the update from Neola, right?
3:18:14 2270.
3:18:15 And inside of it, it does not speak to those things that are
3:18:18 inside of the Florida statute, which are related to this.
3:18:21 And it’s referred to.
3:18:22 So what I’m saying is we just add those two components of 1003.45
3:18:27 and that’s it.
3:18:28 Just add it to it.
3:18:29 Yeah.
3:18:30 Okay.
3:18:31 We’re good.
3:18:32 Go ahead and list in there the constitution, the first amendment.
3:18:35 I mean, I don’t, put it all in there as far as I’m concerned.
3:18:39 That one’s implied.
3:18:40 Yeah.
3:18:41 I did click on the link.
3:18:42 I mean, is it actually linking to the whole constitution?
3:18:44 It does.
3:18:45 Not the whole.
3:18:46 It links to amendment.
3:18:47 But it links to it.
3:18:48 It links the first amendment.
3:18:49 Amendment one, first amendment.
3:18:50 Yeah.
3:18:51 All right.
3:18:52 Are we okay with that?
3:18:53 Ms. Jenkins, have you taken a look at it?
3:18:55 Yeah.
3:18:56 You skipped a couple of words, so I wanted to read those.
3:18:59 So thank you.
3:19:00 Okay.
3:19:02 So 2270.
3:19:03 We’re good on that.
3:19:05 Paul, you know the direction on that one?
3:19:07 Yep.
3:19:08 All right.
3:19:09 2271, articulation and access is what our – to college system
3:19:16 institutions.
3:19:17 The secondary enrollment.
3:19:18 Ours is just title.
3:19:19 Yeah.
3:19:20 It’s just whatever.
3:19:21 It’s the same thing.
3:19:22 So I had a question on this one in regards to the second
3:19:25 paragraph where we are approving
3:19:29 participation for students in grades 10, 11, and 12.
3:19:32 And the question of why not add ninth grade if it’s a
3:19:35 possibility for the statute to allow –
3:19:37 Did you hear it?
3:19:38 She’s saying we need to change that.
3:21:04 We need to change that.
3:21:05 She’s saying we need to change that.
3:21:45 And then we need to change that.
3:22:48 We need to change that.
3:22:49 And then we need to change that.
3:23:07 We need to change that.
3:23:08 And then we need to change that.
3:24:29 But then again, you’re right.
3:24:30 Because what they’ll do is they’ll just take it online.
3:24:32 And then we lose that FTE, I guess.
3:24:34 You know what I mean?
3:24:35 Well, not necessarily.
3:24:36 I mean, a lot of times, like, you know, I’ve had my kids take
3:24:39 Hope Online
3:24:39 so they can get another elective in.
3:24:40 Yeah, that’s true, too.
3:24:42 That’s a good point.
3:24:43 Yeah, I think allowing the parents to make that decision.
3:24:46 I think allowing the parents.
3:24:47 I don’t think you need to bog a physician down with needing a
3:24:49 doctor’s note
3:24:49 to not participate in PE.
3:24:51 If a parent says a student’s not able to participate for some
3:24:54 reason,
3:24:54 you should take their word for it and honor that, right?
3:24:57 Yeah, I think so.
3:24:58 Yeah.
3:24:59 Ms. Campbell makes a great point.
3:25:00 So we won’t say student’s physician.
3:25:02 We’ll say student’s parent or guardian.
3:25:04 Yep.
3:25:05 We good with that, Paul?
3:25:06 Yep.
3:25:07 All right.
3:25:14 So these policies get.
3:25:17 All right.
3:25:18 Class size.
3:25:19 2312.
3:25:20 Which.
3:25:21 Do we have a class size policy somewhere else?
3:25:27 We’re regulated by state for class size.
3:25:29 I know, but I’m just.
3:25:30 This is us saying.
3:25:31 I just looked.
3:25:32 We don’t have one that’s specifically says class size.
3:25:35 No.
3:25:36 It says we already do this.
3:25:42 I just don’t know if we’re required to have it in policy.
3:25:45 I think I would stay away from this one.
3:25:48 I would stay away from this one.
3:25:49 Yeah.
3:25:50 Absolutely.
3:25:51 I would stay away from this one.
3:25:52 Yeah.
3:25:53 I think it’s a terrible idea.
3:25:54 Yeah.
3:25:55 I think so too.
3:25:56 It’s unrealistic.
3:25:57 Paul, just make sure that we don’t have to have this thing.
3:25:58 And I think we’re good.
3:25:59 Oh, statue.
3:26:00 Yeah.
3:26:01 I think we’re okay.
3:26:02 Yeah.
3:26:04 I agree with you 100%.
3:26:05 All right.
3:26:06 2330 homework.
3:26:07 Okay.
3:26:08 Oh, yeah.
3:26:09 Here we go.
3:26:11 This is going to be such a good reminder.
3:26:12 I’m excited to talk about it.
3:26:13 She has me come in and teach the last night of the Teacher
3:26:17 Leadership Academy, which I just
3:26:18 did last week.
3:26:19 Fantastic.
3:26:20 And this is the policy I use for a group discussion.
3:26:24 I show them how to find our policies and when we’re updated.
3:26:26 But then I pull this one in and I say, okay, because it’s kind
3:26:29 of short and it’s relevant
3:26:30 to them because they’re all teachers, say, take this policy.
3:26:33 She puts them in breakout rooms and they – I hope they’re
3:26:36 watching this meeting because
3:26:37 one of their assignments is they have to watch the meeting.
3:26:40 Because I told them, I’m going to bring your input to when we
3:26:44 talk about this policy.
3:26:46 I put a break – do a breakout room.
3:26:48 How does this apply to you and your classroom and bring it back?
3:26:50 So there was a lot.
3:26:51 We actually had some good discussions.
3:26:52 So if you don’t mind me taking just a few minutes, I’ll walk you
3:26:55 through.
3:26:55 Yeah.
3:26:56 We’d love to hear it.
3:26:57 So one of the things, you know, the first comment was that it’s
3:26:59 vague.
3:26:59 And I did explain to them, look, a lot of times our policies are
3:27:02 vague purposefully
3:27:03 because then you as the teacher in the classroom can be more
3:27:06 specific.
3:27:07 We’re not prescripting out being – micromanaging how you do
3:27:10 homework.
3:27:11 But they did have this question.
3:27:13 What does recent research say about the effectiveness of
3:27:16 homework?
3:27:16 Is it valuable?
3:27:18 What about kids with little home support?
3:27:21 There was one in letter E.
3:27:24 It said as an evaluation – excuse me – as a valid educational
3:27:30 tool,
3:27:30 homework should be assigned with clear direction and it’s
3:27:33 product carefully evaluated.
3:27:34 They really thought that was important, that the product should
3:27:37 be – that that was a good thing.
3:27:40 That we have a bigger focus on homework in elementary.
3:27:43 And in middle, it’s more about completing their classwork if
3:27:47 they didn’t finish it at home or review.
3:27:49 And that we could maybe use this policy similar to what we –
3:27:53 the request we’ve had on other policies
3:27:54 to differentiate maybe what we say about elementary versus
3:27:58 secondary because, you know, they do function differently.
3:28:01 And so maybe to break down the differences more between
3:28:04 elementary, middle school, high school,
3:28:07 and then we can – where it’s less important for – you know,
3:28:10 parents don’t really have to help, you know.
3:28:13 And the higher up we go, the less some parents may be able to
3:28:18 help.
3:28:19 Even me pulling back those Algebra 1, which I’m doing Algebra 1
3:28:23 for the fourth time now.
3:28:25 So, you know, but anyway, just wanted to make sure I shared that
3:28:29 input when we look at this.
3:28:31 I think that’s great feedback.
3:28:34 I think we should remove the line where it says it should never
3:28:37 be used as a punitive measure
3:28:38 because there are times when kids are acting up in class and
3:28:43 work can’t be done
3:28:44 and homework gets assigned.
3:28:45 And maybe that is not necessarily a punishment, but it is to
3:28:49 some degree.
3:28:50 So I think I would strike that from there.
3:28:52 Yeah, because sometimes that can be a learning purpose.
3:28:54 Yeah, I think the idea there is not – well, I mean, because
3:28:58 obviously if you didn’t finish your homework
3:28:59 and class, your classwork and class, then you’ve got to finish
3:29:01 at home.
3:29:01 But the punitive is like, okay, you guys got in trouble, so you
3:29:05 have to go home tonight and write.
3:29:06 I will not –
3:29:07 I love that.
3:29:08 – da-da-da for a hundred times.
3:29:09 So, I mean, for me, I would say I think it’s something that you
3:29:15 can put
3:29:15 in a teacher’s toolbox to be able to use to possibly help.
3:29:19 Maybe they can earn not coming home.
3:29:21 I wholeheartedly disagree.
3:29:23 Not all of our students are going home to stable families.
3:29:26 Some of them are going to daycare until seven, eight o’clock at
3:29:31 night.
3:29:32 It absolutely should be not – there should never be a negative
3:29:35 connotation intentionally
3:29:36 surrounding your educational experience, intentionally.
3:29:41 There are plenty of other consequences we can assign students.
3:29:44 That is not beneficial.
3:29:45 That will not help them learn more.
3:29:48 That will absolutely not change their behavior.
3:29:50 There is no research to prove that it would.
3:29:52 And it is disproportionately going to affect our students who
3:29:56 are oftentimes
3:29:57 the ones who are struggling the most with attention or behavior.
3:30:00 I don’t think that should be at all taken out.
3:30:05 I think teachers would know the difference if a student is – go
3:30:08 ahead.
3:30:09 No, I’m just saying it’s – in practice, it’s good for it to be
3:30:14 there.
3:30:15 Teachers know how to give that class extra homework and say it’s
3:30:21 not punitive.
3:30:22 That’s fine.
3:30:24 I mean, they’ll get it across that they’re actually just doing
3:30:28 more work.
3:30:29 What are you saying?
3:30:30 Keep the policy the same, but they still just do it without that?
3:30:32 Yeah.
3:30:33 Because, again, for exact reason, you’re going to have people
3:30:36 saying you’re giving math homework because of a punishment.
3:30:38 My son already says that, and it’s not, but I mean – but the
3:30:43 actual intentionally giving it as a punishment, that’s – I don’t
3:30:47 agree.
3:30:47 Right.
3:30:48 So –
3:30:49 The problem is sometimes in the classroom and at homework, the
3:30:52 reason is, is that many teachers give it just because they want
3:30:57 busy work.
3:30:57 And that’s where this homework thing started getting hit with –
3:31:00 we don’t need so much homework at home, right?
3:31:02 But there is some balance to having some work done at home, some
3:31:05 work done in the classroom and stuff like that.
3:31:07 I agree with you.
3:31:08 I mean, I could have done it too.
3:31:09 I mean, you just sort of assign extra work.
3:31:11 So that’s how it works.
3:31:12 So leave it like it is.
3:31:13 Yep.
3:31:14 I lose this one.
3:31:15 That’s okay.
3:31:16 Okay.
3:31:17 22 – 23:30.
3:31:18 We’re moving on to 23:40.
3:31:19 Field trips and other travel.
3:31:20 All right.
3:31:21 We’re getting slapped happy.
3:31:22 We only have 12 minutes, you guys.
3:31:23 We’ll get out of here.
3:31:24 So we only got to go through 35 more policies in 12 minutes, all
3:31:25 right?
3:31:25 Yeah.
3:31:26 I’m kidding.
3:31:27 So, question before we – because we – we were – our next
3:31:37 workshop was May 5th, and that got canceled.
3:31:45 So are we just going to kind of hold these two – one of those
3:31:49 extra Tuesdays we’re putting in there?
3:31:50 Do them tonight.
3:31:52 No, no, no, no, no.
3:31:53 That’s what we said we would do.
3:31:54 We’re on like the 2000s right now.
3:31:56 There’s literally no need to do that.
3:31:57 Hang on, Ms. Jenkins.
3:31:58 Just hang on just a second.
3:31:59 Like, we literally only have a couple more to go.
3:32:00 I’m going to take a point of privilege and tell you that my 14-year-old
3:32:04 is going to be at home tonight by himself until I get home.
3:32:06 And I can anticipate tonight might be a little bit long anyway.
3:32:09 So I would suggest that we’re, again, not in a rush.
3:32:13 We’re doing the process.
3:32:14 We’re going through there.
3:32:15 But this kind of right here, what we’re doing right now, is a
3:32:19 workshop-type feel time.
3:32:20 Let’s take our time.
3:32:21 Let’s not feel rushed.
3:32:23 I strongly would suggest that we have all those Tuesdays that we’ve
3:32:28 specifically set aside to do this work.
3:32:31 I would be more prepared myself to pick up some of these that I
3:32:35 missed.
3:32:36 I do not want to try to rush through to get this done at the end
3:32:41 of a board meeting.
3:32:42 Okay.
3:32:43 So if you guys notice, we said we needed to review the policies,
3:32:48 right?
3:32:48 We’re on two – Ms. Campbell, if you can just let me finish.
3:32:52 So if we are going to complete these, we are now on the 2000s.
3:32:58 We started this process in January, and one of the issues we
3:33:02 have is we always run into these situations.
3:33:04 So what I would propose is we start at 9 o’clock then, and we
3:33:07 get these things banged out during the day.
3:33:09 Because we – at this pace, we will not get these done until –
3:33:12 if we go at this pace, and we started in January,
3:33:15 and now we’re doing them now, what is it, May, and we’re only on
3:33:18 the 2000s, we won’t have them done before Christmas.
3:33:20 And I have an issue with that.
3:33:22 Like, I really do.
3:33:23 So, I mean –
3:33:25 Ms. Campbell: Let’s keep powering through what we’re doing right
3:33:27 now.
3:33:27 I mean, I think we do need to honor Ms. Campbell and the fact
3:33:30 that she is a mother and if she’s a child at home alone,
3:33:32 by all means, we don’t want to keep you from your responsibility
3:33:36 there.
3:33:36 I hear you 100%.
3:33:38 So let’s keep going, and let’s see how far we get for right now.
3:33:42 All right.
3:33:43 We’ve got nine minutes.
3:33:44 Field trips and other student travel.
3:33:47 It is 23:40.
3:33:50 Yeah.
3:33:51 This one needs to be updated.
3:33:52 This one speaks to the fact of an area superintendent approving
3:33:56 all trips within the state for more than two days, which we don’t
3:33:59 – we no longer have area superintendents.
3:34:01 Right.
3:34:02 But the actual policy is reflective of –
3:34:07 Mr. Susan, this is one on our radar that needs to be fixed.
3:34:12 Okay.
3:34:13 So do you want to take this one and fix it and bring it back to
3:34:16 us with the NEOLA updates that pertain to it?
3:34:18 We will work on it.
3:34:19 Beautiful.
3:34:20 There actually aren’t NEOLA updates.
3:34:21 You’re going to bring that back in the next two months?
3:34:23 Yeah.
3:34:24 So we can get all of our policies done?
3:34:26 Of course.
3:34:27 Okay.
3:34:28 Thank you.
3:34:29 All right.
3:34:30 Next up, 2370.
3:34:32 Let’s see here.
3:34:33 Make sure we don’t have 2370 educational options.
3:34:37 I had here just to check the statutes.
3:34:42 This one needs a lot of updating.
3:34:46 Yeah.
3:34:47 Well, if you look at the updates that are on NEOLA, there’s a
3:34:51 couple that are there.
3:34:54 There’s a couple of options that we can choose there at the
3:34:58 bottom.
3:34:58 So if you guys will take – go to 2370 and go down to the bottom
3:35:02 part of the first page, participation,
3:35:04 and then it gives us a couple of options to take a look at.
3:35:14 I think our maximum of credits is a little bit different than
3:35:18 what many other school districts are.
3:35:21 Yeah, they are.
3:35:22 All right.
3:35:23 So, I mean, we award letter grades, and this option one is
3:35:36 talking about that it will be evaluated on pass or fail.
3:35:39 Letter grades shall not be awarded.
3:35:45 This one, I think, I’ll be honest with you guys, there’s some of
3:35:49 these blanks that our district is going to fill in anyway.
3:35:53 What I would like to suggest is to allow them to take a look at
3:35:56 this and come back with it, because they’re going to make those
3:35:59 suggestions based on what our other policies are.
3:36:01 Does that make sense to you?
3:36:02 Yeah.
3:36:03 With the performance being evaluated past, like all of that
3:36:06 needs to go through there.
3:36:07 Are you okay with that, Ms. Campbell, asking staff?
3:36:09 This is one of those that’s kind of – we’re out of our league
3:36:14 here, I think, if that’s okay.
3:36:15 Everybody else good on that?
3:36:16 I’m fine with that.
3:36:17 All right.
3:36:18 2371.
3:36:19 So they have a 2370.01, which is virtual instruction.
3:36:20 We do need that.
3:36:21 And it’s new, but based on the statutory question.
3:36:22 Yeah, we need that.
3:36:23 We need that.
3:36:24 We don’t want to go too fast, though, because that graduation
3:36:24 requirement, that’s already passed, where the online course
3:36:24 requirement has been removed.
3:36:24 So let’s maybe wait until the new packet comes out on this one.
3:36:25 Okay.
3:36:26 Yeah, because we’re moving from that.
3:36:27 We’re moving from that.
3:36:28 Okay.
3:36:29 So we’re moving from that.
3:36:30 Okay.
3:36:31 So we’re moving from that.
3:36:32 Okay.
3:36:33 So we’re moving from that.
3:36:34 Okay.
3:36:35 So we’re moving from that.
3:36:36 Okay.
3:36:37 So we’re moving from that.
3:36:38 Okay.
3:36:39 So we’re moving from that.
3:36:40 Okay.
3:36:41 So we’re moving from that.
3:36:42 Okay.
3:36:43 So we’re moving from that.
3:36:44 Okay.
3:36:45 So we’re moving from that.
3:36:46 Okay.
3:36:47 So we’re moving from that.
3:36:48 Okay.
3:36:49 So we’re moving from that.
3:36:50 Okay.
3:36:51 So we’re moving from that.
3:36:52 Okay.
3:36:53 Yeah, because we’re moving forward with stuff that’s not even in
3:36:56 there anyway.
3:36:56 Okay.
3:36:57 All ready?
3:36:58 We’ll bring that one back.
3:36:59 So, but we don’t – so what – we currently don’t have this
3:37:02 policy.
3:37:02 Right.
3:37:03 So we’re saying –
3:37:04 Wait until – I mean, we can say implement it, plus that checkbox,
3:37:07 because we have a district run one,
3:37:09 until the update, if we need to.
3:37:11 But by the time we literally get it finished through the process,
3:37:14 it’ll be like a month, and then the new ones will come out.
3:37:16 Right.
3:37:17 The new ones will be out.
3:37:18 Well, I mean, this isn’t going to take a priority.
3:37:19 So I would – I mean, I would say put it in the box of things
3:37:22 that needs to be done.
3:37:22 Yep.
3:37:23 But it’s not –
3:37:24 We can check the box and say it’s been reviewed still, even
3:37:27 though we haven’t revised it yet.
3:37:28 Well, in this case –
3:37:29 Right.
3:37:30 We don’t have this.
3:37:31 So we don’t have the box to check.
3:37:32 Yeah.
3:37:33 This can go at the end of the line.
3:37:34 This one needs to be –
3:37:35 Because we’re doing it.
3:37:36 All right.
3:37:37 If you guys go on to 2371, you got V version one and I think
3:37:45 version two.
3:37:47 You have two different versions here.
3:37:49 So we did this in 2020 when this came with the updates.
3:37:53 It seems to me that there’s been some updates.
3:37:54 It’s actually –
3:37:55 We adapted it as a new policy in 2020.
3:37:57 Mm-hmm.
3:37:58 It seems that ours follows version two pretty well.
3:38:01 Well, maybe not.
3:38:02 I think it’s version one.
3:38:03 Seems like we’ve got some more stuff in here.
3:38:04 Yeah.
3:38:05 This is version one.
3:38:06 It’s like version one to the T, it looks like.
3:38:08 All right.
3:38:09 Are we okay?
3:38:10 Why can it not open up my damn thing?
3:38:11 Okay.
3:38:12 All right.
3:38:13 Are we okay?
3:38:14 Why can it not open up my damn thing?
3:38:16 Okay.
3:38:17 All right.
3:38:25 Are we okay?
3:38:26 Why can it not open up my damn thing?
3:38:28 All right.
3:38:31 Yeah.
3:38:32 I’m okay with this one.
3:38:33 I think it’s good to remind people that the Hope Scholarship,
3:38:38 the last part of this policy,
3:38:42 because a lot of families don’t realize that they get the Hope
3:38:45 Scholarship for one year.
3:38:45 I’ve had parents reach out to me and they’re like, I don’t know
3:38:48 if I’m going to have it
3:38:48 anymore, but that it remains in place until the student
3:38:51 graduates from high school.
3:38:52 So just reminding people of that.
3:38:56 So we’re okay with taking the updated Neola version one?
3:39:00 It’s the same.
3:39:01 It is the same.
3:39:02 Is it identical?
3:39:03 I mean, we have numbers and they have letters.
3:39:04 That’s really the only difference.
3:39:05 Okay.
3:39:06 It’s a blend between the two basically.
3:39:07 Which what?
3:39:08 It’s a little bit of a blend between the two.
3:39:11 The next one should be easy.
3:39:13 We literally, this board adopted this in December.
3:39:16 It’s yeah.
3:39:17 School health services.
3:39:18 Yeah, this one.
3:39:19 I don’t want to change it a little bit.
3:39:21 We can skip it.
3:39:23 Skip it away.
3:39:24 We did this one already.
3:39:25 All right.
3:39:26 2411 guidance and counseling.
3:39:28 This one’s going to have to open up new.
3:39:31 So this is virtually the same with the exception.
3:39:47 The second section, we don’t have one of the options.
3:39:52 Be the responsibility of the classroom teacher who may draw upon
3:39:55 the services.
3:39:57 So I’m not sure.
3:39:59 That part that we don’t have is a program of guidance or
3:40:10 counseling shall be offered to all
3:40:11 students and shall be the responsibility of the classroom
3:40:14 teacher.
3:40:14 So in some ways they’re kind of doing that with a mental health
3:40:17 training.
3:40:18 But I think that’s a lot to put on them.
3:40:20 Yeah.
3:40:21 Responsibility.
3:40:22 Yeah.
3:40:23 I’m okay with leaving that out too.
3:40:24 Okay.
3:40:25 Yep.
3:40:26 So ABCD.
3:40:27 And this is an old Neola policy also.
3:40:29 So they didn’t, they don’t really have any updates.
3:40:32 Ours is good.
3:40:33 I mean, ours is actually better.
3:40:34 So we establish a referral system, which utilizes all the aid,
3:40:37 the schools and community
3:40:39 offer.
3:40:40 Yeah.
3:40:41 They don’t have a 24 11.01.
3:40:45 Yeah.
3:40:46 The only difference there.
3:40:47 So we’re okay on that one?
3:40:48 I’m okay on this one.
3:40:49 Keeping out that.
3:40:50 So Paul keeping it pretty much the same, right?
3:40:53 Yep.
3:40:54 Okay.
3:40:55 They do not have a 24 11.01 college and career readiness
3:40:59 assessment.
3:40:59 I like it.
3:41:00 We’ll keep what we have.
3:41:02 If you guys want to put in there anything about workforce, that’s
3:41:05 what my note said.
3:41:05 Anything about trades.
3:41:06 Talks about college career readiness instruction through regular
3:41:09 school programs prior to high school
3:41:10 graduation, college career readiness.
3:41:11 As long as you feel that that says, you know, that mean that
3:41:14 there’s.
3:41:15 We still, we still do that, right?
3:41:16 College career readiness assessment.
3:41:17 Oh yeah.
3:41:18 The number on B number two, it says Florida virtual school may
3:41:21 be used to provide the college
3:41:21 career instruction.
3:41:22 We, I mean, I don’t know.
3:41:23 Cause I, we, we have BVS.
3:41:24 I would say let’s not let.
3:41:25 Career and decision making course.
3:41:26 And students are allowed to substitute that with virtual school
3:41:27 if they choose.
3:41:27 Can we make it to where they’re not allowed to go to Florida
3:41:29 virtual school and they have
3:41:29 to go to ours?
3:41:30 No.
3:41:31 Just put it in there.
3:41:32 Um, just put it in there.
3:41:49 But we put it through Brevard Virtual School, the course, and
3:41:53 many of our students do it.
3:41:54 Um, state law is pretty specific on the virtual options.
3:41:58 Mine is taking it right now.
3:42:00 Through Brevard Virtual School.
3:42:02 Thank you, Ms. Campbell.
3:42:03 Shout out to BBS.
3:42:04 How about we take out the Florida piece and just put virtual
3:42:07 school may be used.
3:42:08 Is that better?
3:42:09 Roger that.
3:42:10 Okay.
3:42:11 We’re good there, Paul.
3:42:12 We’re going to make that one change.
3:42:13 Have you ever seen Paul’s notes?
3:42:14 We’re going to go through the whole policy so we can make that
3:42:17 one change.
3:42:17 Well, I know.
3:42:18 I hear you.
3:42:19 Okay.
3:42:20 You know what?
3:42:21 I’m just going to, I don’t know if anybody’s watching.
3:42:22 One more minute.
3:42:23 Because we’ve been so boring for the last little bit.
3:42:24 But I just have to say, people need to understand Brevard
3:42:28 Virtual, you can do everything with
3:42:30 Brevard Virtual just about as you can do with Florida Virtual
3:42:33 School.
3:42:33 Unless there’s just a course that we don’t offer.
3:42:34 But all the courses, most of course that your kids are going to
3:42:37 take, you can do through
3:42:38 Brevard Virtual School.
3:42:39 Keep it local.
3:42:40 All right.
3:42:41 24/12.
3:42:42 We’ve got Homebound Instructional Program.
3:42:43 Um, we have, it’s pretty much identical.
3:42:46 Identical.
3:42:47 There’s a line in here.
3:42:48 Yep.
3:42:49 I have a question.
3:42:50 I understand why it’s in there, being someone who had to teach
3:42:54 Hospital Homebound.
3:42:54 Um, but I just want to make sure that we’re still legal by
3:42:58 having it in there.
3:42:59 Um, the part that we have the right to schedule the time and
3:43:03 place.
3:43:03 I totally understand why it’s in there.
3:43:04 Yeah.
3:43:05 I just want to make sure that we’re still allowed to do that.
3:43:08 Yeah.
3:43:09 I taught Homebound also.
3:43:11 It’s a great opportunity.
3:43:12 All right.
3:43:13 We’re good to go there?
3:43:14 Yep.
3:43:15 All right.
3:43:16 So what we’ll do is, is it’s 4:30.
3:43:18 If we can earmark and say 24/16 and then you guys feel okay that
3:43:27 if 15, because Niela has
3:43:28 a 24/15.
3:43:29 Yeah.
3:43:30 Oh, dang it.
3:43:31 Dang it.
3:43:32 So you guys okay that if we move the school board meeting to a
3:43:34 certain time, we can get
3:43:34 a couple more in, or do you guys want to cancel off and do them
3:43:38 at the next workshop?
3:43:39 It’s up to you guys.
3:43:40 Sorry.
3:43:41 Say that again.
3:43:42 Move the school board meeting.
3:43:43 If we have a school board meeting that literally gets done at
3:43:47 seven o’clock, but it might not
3:43:49 because we have, we have like an hour and a half of administratives,
3:43:52 but yeah, I mean,
3:43:53 if it’s seven o’clock, by all means, let’s go.
3:43:56 Let’s just do this.
3:43:57 I understand that we don’t want to go into the night, right?
3:44:00 Yeah.
3:44:01 But we’ve got to get these done.
3:44:02 I know.
3:44:03 So if we can kind of find a schedule that works in both, I’m
3:44:06 okay with it as I have been since
3:44:08 the beginning, but I’d appreciate that.
3:44:10 Is that cool?
3:44:11 Well, I didn’t, I didn’t know why we canceled May 5th.
3:44:13 Yeah, I wasn’t.
3:44:14 Because it’s Cinco de Mayo.
3:44:15 Is that why it was canceled?
3:44:16 Well, it’s not for my daughter’s birthday, but I mean, I was
3:44:19 still willing to go in the
3:44:19 morning.
3:44:20 I mean, we’re all going out for tacos instead of doing our work.
3:44:22 Why didn’t we cancel May 5th?
3:44:23 We’re going in the morning too.
3:44:24 Oh, you’re talking about a meeting.
3:44:25 We’re good.
3:44:26 Let’s, let’s gavel this and go.
3:44:27 Okay.
3:44:28 All right.
3:44:29 Good.
3:44:30 Talk to you guys.
3:44:31 There we go.
3:44:38 Bye.