Updates on the Fight for Quality Public Education in Brevard County, FL
0:31 Bam. Good morning. The April 4, 2023 special Board meeting is now in order. I’m happy to welcome my fellow board members and the public.
0:39 I would like to take this opportunity to remind the public that the appropriate place for public participation in the meeting is during your individual public comment opportunity as identified by the agenda outside your individual public comment opportunity. Your role in the meeting is as an observer. Tammy, roll call, please.
0:54 Misses Campbell? Here. Misses Jenkins? Here. Mister Susan? Here.
0:59 Mister Trent? Here. Misses Wright? Here. Please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance.
1:06 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. That brings us to the adoption of the agenda. On this morning’s agenda, we have three action items and one discussion item.
1:43 Changes made to the agenda since released to the public include the addition of item six, temporary delegation of authority, assistant superintendent, facility services. Item seven, job description, assistant general counsel, and item eight, administrative staff recommendations. Do I hear a motion? Move to approve? Second.
2:00 Is there any discussion? All in favor, signify by saying aye. Aye. All opposed passes 50.
2:08 We are now at the public comments portion of this morning’s special meeting. Comments will be limited to the agenda items only. We have zero speakers, and each will receive zero minutes.
2:17 I will call up three speakers, zero speakers at a time. Pursuant to board policy and tonight’s motion, you’re allowed to address the board members by name. That concludes public comments.
2:26 Thank you for your willingness to address us in this public manner. Miss Hand, would you please let us know about the item under the action portion of today’s agenda? Yes, sir. The first item is the temporary delegation of authority for the Assistant superintendent of facilities.
2:39 Do I hear a motion approved? Second, is there any discussion? All in favor, signify by saying aye. All opposed passes 50. You want to say something to sue? No, sir.
2:53 The next item is the job description for assistant general counsel. Do I hear a motion? Move to approve? Second. Is there any discussion? All in favor, signify by saying aye.
3:04 Any opposed passes 50. And the last item are administrative staff recommendations. Do I hear a motion? Move to approve.
3:13 Second. Is there any discussion? I would. Can I just.
3:18 Excuse me. Add something to this. I had the opportunity to speak with Miss Mary Jo and her principal, and I just want to thank them for that opportunity to really get to speak to you, hear your heart, your vision, on what drives you, why you want to step into this role.
3:33 And I’m grateful for that. I hope my fellow board members will take that opportunity to do the same. And really get to know her.
3:38 Her heart is in the right spot. She’s going to be a huge asset in this role. So I’m very excited for her to be part of our team.
3:43 I did, and I wanted to say thank you. I also reached out to her and her principal, talked to both of them and I concur with all of your comments and we look forward to having you as a big part of our team. Thank you.
3:54 All right, anybody else? Did we run through the administrative ones yet? We didn’t vote yet. We didn’t. Did we do the move to approve? Okay.
4:02 All in favor signify by saying aye. All opposed passes 50 discussion. We will now move to today’s discussion item pertaining to the superintendent search.
4:13 FSBA will lead the discussion. Before you start, Miss Hand, you had made a request that you could do occupy your time doing some other things. We appreciate that.
4:23 So if you would like to take that time, if anybody else, you have nothing to do, miss Hand, I just want to make sure all the other board members are okay with Miss Hand getting to work. Are we all good? Yes, absolutely. And a superintendent, that’s.
4:36 And I am in charge. So here we go. No, I would say Miss Messina is in charge.
4:40 Thank you, Miss Hand. Thank you very much. You’re excused from the meeting, Miss Messina.
4:46 This is all you. I apologize in advance for my scratchy throat. Can’t tell you what’s going on, but you should have received 33 application packets.
5:09 And to review the full pool of candidates and applicants is Doctor Vogel. Good morning and thank you very much, board members. Yes.
5:24 As Misses Messina said, we are very pleased to receive 33 applications. And as we look through these, all of the people that applied have a special talent and experiences that help them decide to go ahead and apply for this position. Our challenge is to narrow the field and then find the person that fits the needs of Brevard county schools.
5:51 But we do have a strong feel there. We ended up with 24 of the applicants with doctorate degrees, 13 states represented. So we did have a good success on national basis.
6:06 There were four. There are four current superintendents that applied and then there are six additional individuals that had prior superintendent experience. I’d just like to say something about superintendent experience in some of the places where individuals worked.
6:26 As I looked through all the packets, their title was superintendent. But it may not necessarily be the same as we see as a superintendent. A good example is the Florida State lab school where they have three schools, an elementary, Midland high school, and that position is called a superintendent.
6:47 I looked and I found executive director somewhere on that, there’s also an applicant that was superintendent of the Lake Wales Charter School District. And some of you may not be aware, but that was a carve out district by the legislature. And so that there is actually a charter school district with a superintendent there in.
7:08 And I also saw some people that applied that were in small, very small schools that the title was superintendent. So I just wanted to make that clarification also. So the other thing, too, as you go through all the applicants, is anybody who’s had a position of high authority is very likely, if you google them, to have some sort of article that may be negative or there may be a pending legal matter or something to that effect.
7:43 And we’re here to go ahead and help the board through those. And when we do our research, as the semifinalists are determined, we’ll be able to work through that with you, because once the semifinalists are chosen, we’ll start our in depth background check, and when we’re using our legal firm that we use in Orlando, green spoon martyr. And so we’ll have more information in that.
8:13 So any questions on our applicant pool? I don’t think anybody has any questions. If you do, here’s the opportunity they’re going to, kind of, just so we know the process of this, we’re going to let FSBA walk us through the whole thing. So right now would be the appropriate time, if you have any questions pertaining to any of these.
8:34 Otherwise, we can move on to the next step. I’m ready to move on, but I thank you for addressing the background, Jack, because we had that question. I think we all kind of a quick, brief memory lapse last week.
8:42 We had that question last week about, hey, can hr do this, this and this? And I said, I think we’re paying FSBA to do that. Sure. So, and, of course, that will take a lot of the burden off of our existing staff as well.
8:52 Sure. Thank you. Thank you very much.
8:54 Okay, back to you, Andrea. Okay. Excuse me.
8:59 So the way we’re going to work through this process, our goal here today is to reach consensus on a pool of semi finalists, people that the board believes the board ought to continue to consider. So I’ll ask for each board member to tell me the applicant numbers of those candidates that you believe the board ought to continue to consider. You’ll notice the names are listed on your tally sheet in the order of District 12345.
9:29 And so when I call your name, for example, if I was going to say Doctor Vogel, he might say, I’d like us to continue to consider applicants number three, five, 7912, 15, 1819, whatever. And we’ll put a little tally mark all the way across. I will confirm when you’ve read all of your numbers that I have accurately captured them on my tally sheet and that will also assist your secretary.
9:55 And then we’ll go to the next board member. Next board member. Next board member.
9:58 Then we’ll tally them all up and see where the, where the commonalities lie and kind of work through that to get to a consensus of who will remain under consideration. So Miss Wright, who do you believe that the board ought to continue to consider? You’re making me go? It’s district one. If I could.
10:20 All right, if somebody else wants to go, I don’t mind. All right, miss. Did I see her? Miss Jenkins first.
10:24 All right, we’ll go. Miss Jenkins then. Mister Trent.
10:28 I made my list by number, so. And I put it, I put it next to Jean Trent. Whoopsies.
10:36 And let me also explain if I might. One of the reasons we try to use the application numbers is because we want to try to keep the pool as wide as we can, as long as we can, and not have board or community invested in any singular candidate. And so by using the numbers, but also having them attached to the names, it’s just a little less committed so that your minds remain open as we go through this process.
11:03 So I had just before I give them to you, I made seven and then I had four like because I didn’t know what we were doing here today. Yeah, like some maybes. So I’m just gonna do the seven.
11:18 That’s fine. Okay, so I have 2811, sorry. 21, 25, 26 and 31.
11:34 All right, I’m going to repeat these back to you. Please make sure I have accurately captured it. I have number two.
11:40 Applicant number eight. Applicant eleven. Applicant 21.
11:45 Applicant 25, 26, 31. Thank you. Thank you Mister Trent.
11:57 All right, so I don’t have quite as many, but we’ll start. I have number 15, 1822 24. And there are no more.
12:12 Okay, let me make sure I’ve captured it correctly. 15 1822 24. Yep.
12:19 Okay, who would like to go next? Be Miss Campbell or are you ready? Megan? I’m almost there. Sorry, mine got out of order. Yeah, no, I can go.
12:27 Miss Campbell. Yeah. All right, let’s see, I have some maybes also, but I’m going to give your, I’m just going to do the.
12:37 I have twelve. I think I counted. I’m trying to keep it broad.
12:44 89, 11, 13, 15, 16, 18, 212-223-2526 I’m sorry, what did you say after? 25, 25 and 26 and that is it. Okay, so I’m gonna read them back to you. 89, 11, 13, 15, 16, 18.
13:30 212-223-2526 that’s it. Thank you. Thank you.
13:40 All right, who wants to go next? Mine are out of order. Sorry. Doesn’t matter.
13:45 All right. And I can go if you. I’m trying to get them in order and I somehow messed my order up and I don’t know what I did here.
13:51 It’s okay. If they’re out of order, we can follow. Okay, I’ll go.
13:58 Okay. All right. I had applicant 815, 1821 23.
14:10 Oops. 22. Out of order.
14:13 22, 23. Both of them? Yeah, sorry. Okay.
14:16 26 and 32. Okay, I have 815, 18, 212-223-2632. You got it.
14:33 All right. Mister Susan. So what I did was I had my core.
14:40 And then there was a lot of superintendents that were deputies that I felt like would really be part of the process that might surprise us because not many people remember that our previous two, possibly three superintendents did not have superintendent experience. So it’s just something to think about. So I didn’t want.
14:55 I wanted to kind of throw that out there. Not because of the selection, but just so that everybody understands that there are many superintendents that are amazing that didn’t have superintendent positions, positions prior to so. And in some cases, many of these people had sub superintendents or assistant superintendents that were actually larger than our school district in some of them.
15:12 So my core was 15, 17, 15, 17, 21, 24-2227 and then I added 25, 23, 22. Again, sorry, that one was up there. 1826.
15:36 Three and nine. Those were all the. Oh, I’m going to go ahead and read them all together.
15:44 Okay. I have 39, 15, 17, 18, 21, 22, 232-425-2627. That’s it.
16:00 Okay. For Matt. No, 19 is not.
16:08 No. All right. So then as I move through, I see applicant number two has one.
16:14 Applicant three has one. Applicant eight has three, applicant nine has two, applicant eleven has two, applicant 13 has one. Applicant 15 has four.
16:27 Applicant 16 has 117 has 118 has 421, has 422 has 423, has 324, has 223 has 326. Hash 427 has 1131 has 132 has one. Given that, I see 12345 applicants that have four board members who would like to see these applicants remain under consideration? We have applicant 15, Doctor mark Rendell.
17:11 Applicant 18 Rebecca Rollerson. Applicant number 21, John Stratton. Applicant 22, Doctor Jason Wysong.
17:21 And applicant 26, Doctor Pete Lakata. At the very least, can we start with an agreement that those applicants should remain under consideration? Yes. Yes.
17:36 Want to make sure? Okay, so now let’s look at the applicants that have three board members who would like them to remain under consideration. We have applicant number eight. We have applicant number 23.
17:49 Applicant number 25. That would be Ernie Lozano. Excuse me.
17:57 Mark Vianello. And doctor Kim Moore. Would we like to have the applicants with three board members who want to have them be remaining in consideration remain in the semi finalist consideration pool? I see some heads shaking.
18:15 Is there anyone opposed to that? Okay, so then we look at the applicants that have two board members who would like to have them under consideration. The two applicants with two are applicant number nine, Scott Schneider. Applicant eleven, Doctor James Larson.
18:36 And applicant number 24, Captain Stephen Kingston. How would you like me to proceed with the ones listed, that two board members want to see them remain in consideration? Typically, board members would want to have a little discussion at this point. Yeah, I think.
18:54 I think this is worth a discussion. We’re at eight solid right now. If we add the other ones, we get get up to eleven.
19:00 Not. There’s no. As we spoke with Miss Messina, there is no.
19:05 You know what I mean? There’s no limit. So you could put 15. And she said that it would be nice to have them a wider scope than it is a smaller scope.
19:14 But with that, I just, you know, get those facts and listen to any kind of conversations. Is there anybody against adding the other three or is that good? No, I’m. I’m good.
19:26 I. In my mind somewhere, I had like, ten ish. That’s about what I had to, you know. So I think this.
19:32 This brings us what, to 1111? So, yeah, I think the wider scope is a good. I’m sorry. I like the fact of adding the additional three applicants that have two votes.
19:43 That will bring us to eleven. And then these are semi finalists, so we will narrow it down from there. Once we go through receiving their answers to the questions, is that the next step of this process is that we’ll send them the letter? Yes, ma’am.
19:53 They will have the opportunity to respond to the questions via written and then video response, correct? Yes, ma’am. And those responses, I’ll get them out before I even leave site today. Okay.
19:53 They will have one week, which ensures that they have the weekend next weekend, because we know these people have busy jobs. They will be due a week, so it’ll be next Tuesday. I’ll shoot them to you as soon they’re due to me by 05:00 p.
20:29 m. Which means I’ll get all the links and everything to you, probably 530 or six. Gives you some time to look at it before our next meeting, which is actually a week later.
20:42 Can I ask one question? Does it impact anything significantly if we were to give them a couple of additional days? It is Easter this coming weekend. I know a lot of families are traveling. It only impacts the amount of time you have to review them.
20:55 But because we are not meeting again that same week, you would still have the following week. And if we made it Thursday, for example, instead of Tuesday, it would give them a little more time. I think that’s a reasonable consideration.
21:03 We’d have from that Thursday till the following Tuesday to review them. That’s plenty. I think that’s fair to.
21:13 Just in light of it being a holiday and people traveling, I like the direction. I think that there’s plenty of time, and I think that we have enough time to. I think that we have enough time to do it.
21:23 So I like that. Does anybody, can I ask after we’re done with that, does anybody have, like, one that they’re like, I think we really need to hear this person. That’s the next thing.
21:41 So are you good with that direction on the timing? I’m perfect with the timing. I want to make sure there’s no objection to letting the applicants get their responses in on Thursday rather than Tuesday next week, which gives them two extra days. But I’m still not clear on the three applicants that had two board members who wanted to see them.
21:45 You’re good. And everyone’s okay with including them? Okay. Just wanted to confirm, you know, knowing we’ve got to.
21:53 What’s the. To me, I like them up on Thursday, at least by Thursday evening, because we just. The public needs to have time.
21:56 We need to have some time. If there’s a way. I mean, I don’t know how fast.
22:14 From the deadline to publishing we can go. Well, as soon as they get them to me and, like, what I do, just so you know, I have. I have all of their written answers, and some people will send me two individual documents instead of one joint document.
22:35 So I’ll put them together. I make sure that they’re titled similarly, so that it’ll say, for example, applicant eight, Lozano, and so they’ll all say applicant number, last name, so they’ll all look the same. Then I’ll have a little chart that’ll say three Lozano, and it’ll have the hot links to the video.
22:40 Okay. And it’ll be in a chart. So all I have to do is pass them through.
22:49 Okay. As soon as they get to me and I start the chart when the first person gives it to me. But I don’t send it to you guys until all of them have been submitted.
22:58 Gotcha. So if they, if the deadline’s five, sometimes I have the links before then. If I do, I’ll send them to you earlier.
23:10 Otherwise it would never take more than about 15 minutes for me to pull it together, shoot it. So your people could easily post it first thing on Friday morning. Okay, that’s good.
23:14 They’ll have all the weekend and then Monday and Tuesday before. Yeah. Okay.
23:33 Mister chair, there are some applicants that we still have that had one board member that wanted to see them continue in the process. So I’d like to know what you want me to do with those. Is there anybody that has one that they felt didn’t get on there, that they were like, listen, I think this takes a pretty good review.
23:48 I would like, it’s up to you guys if you, you know, some of them we put on there. No, no. Miss Bright, do you have one, Miss Jenkins, that you feel we should really review that you wanted to add to it? Sorry, 1 second.
23:56 That’s okay. Miss Campbell, did you have one? Well, I mean I, without knowing. I’ve got just two that I, that was the only one.
24:11 I, without knowing everybody’s, and I don’t need to know them. Their nose. I mean, I’m, everybody had the opportunity to see the same information I did and I would rather kind of stay with ones where we have at least a little bit of consensus building.
24:38 Okay. Miss Jenkins, did you have any requests that you’d like us to take a look at? No, I think just, I think that would be considerate if there was some insane discrepancy where one person’s fix isn’t reflected, but I think there’s a good collaboration of aligning here, so I don’t think that that’s really necessary. Okay.
24:58 I don’t either. So I think you’ve got your eleven. So with that, what’s the next step? The next step is that Mister Reichert is going to talk to you about the interview process and the next steps, and then Doctor Vogel is going to speak to you briefly about some compensation considerations that you want to start thinking about before you get into negotiations.
25:31 Mister Riker? Thank you and good morning, everyone. I just wanted to briefly, I think in your packet you have kind of a slightly updated sample interview schedule for the on site. And just as we move forward, just to keep the board informed, I did want to just touch on a few things that we have finalized and I just picked this sample of the four finalists for interview just to, you know, review today with so we could wind up with three, four, five still.
25:50 But I just have this four sample to talk about today based on our last meeting. I just want to confirm that on the morning of April 27 we will have a light continental breakfast here in the back room prior to your interview starting. That will start at 745 until 815.
26:30 And then you begin your interviews at 830. We are working on getting the tour set up, a little mini tour save for candidate B, who has an hour and a half if you for his or her interview and then the others have a little more time. We did finalize at the last meeting that we would kind of have a light dinner here for the finalists in the back before the meeting greet that will be here in this room on that Thursday evening from six to 730 and jumping to Friday the 28th again.
26:49 The continental breakfast we’ll have in the back room starting at 730 until 08:00 and then 815. Starting your one on one interviews. I’m going to stay around today after the meeting and work with Tammy to identify the rooms that we’ll use for your one on one interviews.
27:21 I’ve kind of filled in your board member names at the top there on that first Friday and I’d simply begin with the chair, the vice chair and then Alpha order after that. And should we have four finalists that would give you a feel for your interview times on the 26th. Also on that Friday the 26th, we will have a kind of a light lunch for the board members to be able to eat and the finalists so we can kind of move through that day on Friday.
27:45 If I could jump back to the 27th. As far as the school community tours, I have been communicating with Russell sum and I’d just like for him to give us a quick update on his thoughts on your staff host and what he’s working on for the community host as well. Good morning, board.
28:05 Right now we’re prepared for five finalists to come in and obviously if there’s more, we can handle that as well. Five cabinet members myself, Jane Klein, Doctor Sullivan, Cindy Lasinski and Russell Cheatham are prepared to act as one of the tour guides for the, for the candidates. And we’re reaching out right now.
28:30 I’m reaching out right now to community leaders as well to see if they can escort as well. So we’ll have two, at least two people in a car with candidates so they can ask questions about the community, the district and kind of help them pass the time as they wait for their turn in front of you guys. We’re also prepared to plan and execute the meals, whether it’s the breakfast, the lunch, and the dinners as well here on site.
28:36 So. All right, Mister Broone, thank you. Does anybody have any questions for Mister Broom? Nope.
28:39 All right. Thank you, sir. We’re good to go.
28:50 Next up. Thank you very much. Board members have previously received a summary of superintendent compensation options.
29:23 And prior to this meeting, and usually the process is once the superintendent is selected, that the chairman and the school board attorney would negotiate the terms of the contract. Always a good place to start is with a current contract you have now perhaps the one that you utilized for Doctor Mullins. And then this summary just gives you some of the areas that are, that involve compensation with superintendent contracts throughout the state.
29:43 Look at it at your leisure and discuss this prior to the time that the superintendent is selected with the attorney to see if there are areas that you’re concerned with or, or that you feel might be appropriate. I don’t know if you have. Do you have this in front of you now? Yes.
29:46 I’m not sure you do have it in front of you now. Yep. Okay, good.
30:06 Let me just take a few minutes and go through it then. First is some superintendents would prefer a tax sheltered plan where a percentage of their salary would go into a tax sheltered annuity. The next two, two areas there, special qualifications, salary and annual performance.
30:28 Salary incentive, are programs that are in statute for elected superintendents. But many appointed superintendents also have that in their contracts. And especially if you hire someone from out of state or someone who has not been a superintendent, it’s advisable that those superintendents go through one or both of those programs.
30:55 The first program, the special qualifications program, the individuals have to attend four sessions, and it’s conducted by the Florida association of District School superintendents, and they actually have to pass a test. If they pass the test, then they receive a special qualification certificate that actually says superintendent on it. That’s the only way in Florida where you can actually get a superintendent.
31:13 A certificate that says superintendent on it is if you pass that program. And the areas include school law, business and finance instruction, and collective bargaining. So that’s especially if someone’s not been a superintendent, that’s a good training program.
31:32 The appointed superintendents that go through the program, then we recommend the board have in their contract where they receive $2,000. It’s an annual $2,000 because in order to keep that certification, you have to attend training every year. The second training program is called the chief executive officer’s leadership program.
31:57 You can’t even start that program until after you’ve completed the special certification program. That’s a year long program in which the individual does a study or focuses on a challenging or an issue in the district. And then the product of that the superintendent produces is rated by an outside group.
32:23 And the outside group would rate it and they would award either up three thousand five hundred dollars to seven thousand five hundred dollars for that completion of that program too. So those are two training programs that are often found in appointed superintendent contracts. Also the bottom three, there are pretty much self acceptance, transplant where boards encourage, I know this board encourages community involvement.
32:45 Individual wants to join rotary or kiwanis. Some of the organizations that you probably are a member of, the superintendents automatically involved, like the Chamber of Commerce, but there are other organizations that the superintendent joins as an individual and so those are pretty much self explanatory. Also, automobile allowance there are a couple options on that.
32:59 Some boards provide the superintendent with an automobile. Others provide mileage reimbursements for use of their own personal car or vehicle. And those are a couple options to look at.
33:23 Normally if you provide a mileage or a general allowance for vehicles, then they do not get any travel free in county. But then out of county, if they go to Tallahassee for a meeting or something, they would get traveled too. But that’s something that, I don’t know what your precedence is on that, but that’s something that will be discussed.
33:45 Sick leave is normally similar to what you pay for the sick leave according to Florida statute and what you use for your twelve month people. A lot of times the superintendent would get the maximum that you pay. I think probably if you’ve been here for a number of years, there’s probably one and a half days a month or two days a month.
33:56 Normally. That’s a negotiable point too. As far as the number of days vacation is usually same or negotiated.
34:25 The other areas, life insurance, health plan retirement options, superintendents under the, usually under the senior management class of retirement, and usually the health benefits and insurance benefits are pretty much the same as all other administrative personnel. Moving expenses are negotiable and they will be a part of the package. A lot depends on how far who is hired, how far they’re having to move.
34:42 And we recommend normally giving just a lump sum because also a board expectation is someone’s going to be moving to Brevard county also. So they’re going to probably have some temporary living expenses. And that can be all tied into that moving expenses piece on it, depending on who is selected.
35:03 And finally, Florida statutes limits severance pay. Board members are probably familiar with this for up to 20 weeks if there’s a termination without cause, and there’s other provisions in the contracts. What we try to do is when the superintendent’s selected, we kind of review things with whoever’s selected.
35:21 And usually so that the negotiations begin on a very positive note. We’ve never had any issue with that. And then the board and the chairman and the attorney, after getting input from the individual board members, go ahead and negotiate the contract.
35:41 So, are there any general questions I can ask answered about these? I will say, just for the board members, that I think almost every single one of them, except for the tax sheltered plan, is already existing inside of. And I know them very well because of recent events. So I think that, you know, just so you guys know, from a perspective, that’s all.
35:49 So just clarifying. So you. You’re suggesting that we should meet individually with Mister Gibbs.
35:54 Yes. To give him our feedback on each of these items. Yes.
36:13 And also, I’ve talked to Mister Gibbs yesterday, and I believe you already have. Or you can get a copy of the existing contract and then go from that particular point what we find by having this discussion ahead of time. Then when it’s time to do the negotiations, it goes a lot smoother because the board members have, you know, then it’s no surprise.
36:20 Well, here’s the contract. You know, no one’s ever seen it or I’m not familiar with the provisions. So that gets us off on a real positive note.
36:29 Sounds good. Thank you all very much. Thank you, mister chair.
36:38 Unless there are any questions, we are ready to move forward. Congratulate the semi finalists, get that information out. I will change that date to Thursday next week.
36:45 I appreciate your consideration of the applicants, and we’ll just move forward with the process. Thank you so much. Okay.
36:54 Thank you. All right. Does any board member wish to have any other further report or discussion? With no further business. This meeting is now adjourned.