2023-03-28 - School Board Work Session

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1:41:26 and with that I think that we’re good miss sue do you have

1:41:26 direction that you

1:41:28 need currently yes my understanding of the direction is that I

1:41:33 will proceed

1:41:34 with talking with our consultant developing a scope of work

1:41:37 scheduling

1:41:38 some time with you in a workshop session to discuss the scope of

1:41:42 work and the

1:41:42 contract execution so we’ll be working on that potentially you’ll

1:41:47 be receiving a

1:41:47 call from the consultant but I’ll give you some fair warning

1:41:49 before that happens

1:41:50 so I’ll be working through that in the next few days and thank

1:41:53 you the next

1:41:54 topic is middle school boundary process mr. chairman yes just a

1:41:58 clarification we’re

1:41:59 just going to hear from the consultant correct we’re not at this

1:42:03 point we want

1:42:04 to enter into a contract assuming the contract is over fifty

1:42:07 thousand you will

1:42:07 have to act on the contract I may do a small contract with them

1:42:12 just to kind of

1:42:13 get going and do some initial research so there might be

1:42:15 something that’s a few

1:42:16 thousand dollars that’s under my purchasing authority but

1:42:18 anything over

1:42:19 fifty will come to you as a contract you know in in there’s just

1:42:23 so you know

1:42:24 there’s going to be a conversation prior to us approving that so

1:42:26 they’ll be here at

1:42:27 the workshop they’ll be discussing it with us and if that

1:42:30 direction doesn’t go

1:42:31 right you would have that opportunity at that time because I

1:42:34 think that also is a

1:42:35 fair thing to say that if you’re looking at a proposal that this

1:42:39 might be

1:42:40 something different than what we thought it was you’ll have that

1:42:42 opportunity I think that’s fair but I would say also for the

1:42:46 individuals that are

1:42:47 about to put in all that work that we may want to be ingenious

1:42:51 about like if unless

1:42:52 there’s some red major red flags that we move forward with that

1:42:55 yeah I I believe

1:42:56 it’s critically important for everyone involved to be on the

1:42:59 same page when we

1:43:00 start so I will be asking them to ask you about things like

1:43:05 public engagement and

1:43:06 what their plan is and make sure that we are all on the same

1:43:09 page if you have

1:43:10 particular parameters data things that you want to see in the

1:43:14 proposal or in the

1:43:15 analysis I will ask them to ask you that so that we make sure we

1:43:18 have a complete scope

1:43:20 and that everybody’s on the same page when we start and I think

1:43:23 that regardless of if we pay

1:43:25 a consultant and we move down that road that there’s an

1:43:28 opportunity at any time to say you

1:43:30 know what we’re going to go with the county commission so it’s

1:43:32 not that far away to do

1:43:33 because you could have that as part of an option that’s all but

1:43:36 I think if we’re going to go

1:43:37 through the process of doing all that that that’s the direction

1:43:39 of the board and that’s

1:43:40 where we should go so anyways go ahead and miss okay so the next

1:43:45 topic is the middle school attendance

1:43:46 boundaries and I want to give you an update I’m going to start

1:43:49 with our starting point so we did a

1:43:52 briefing for you a month or so ago maybe two now that stood up a

1:43:57 base boundary proposal and that’s the

1:44:00 red line that you see and then we had areas one two and three

1:44:04 defined as kind of areas we wanted to talk

1:44:06 about whether we include those in the boundary or not and so

1:44:09 this is where we started and just to

1:44:12 give you some graphics on overlaying those areas on mid with on

1:44:16 the current middle school boundaries

1:44:18 shows you that shows you how those boundaries overlay on the

1:44:22 elementary school boundaries and

1:44:25 then the third slide shows the potential boundaries overlaid on

1:44:29 the high school boundaries and this slide

1:44:33 shows you the development I’m sorry the Viera development of

1:44:37 regional impact area those outlined in orange or peach

1:44:41 and this becomes important as we as we went through some of the

1:44:45 public engagement exercises that

1:44:47 there were areas of the year east that were not included in the

1:44:51 base boundary and those folks expressed some

1:44:54 significant concerns about not being included so I wanted to

1:44:57 show you where the where they are on the map

1:45:01 the next two slides just give you a sense of the proposed growth

1:45:06 in the Viera area just to kind of

1:45:10 understand where we’re going in the future and how that impacts

1:45:13 the decisions that we will be making in

1:45:15 the next few months about the boundaries so village 2 is kind of

1:45:19 the south end of the Viera development it’s

1:45:22 under construction for a large part a good part of this is 55

1:45:26 and older but still will be developing

1:45:29 a number of single-family lots that will be bringing children to

1:45:33 our schools village 3 is basically west of

1:45:37 where we are now and village 3 is another 4,000 units again we

1:45:42 really don’t know whether those are you know

1:45:44 what what percentage might be over 55 multi-family that all will

1:45:49 remain to be seen but there certainly

1:45:51 is the potential for some very significant residential growth

1:45:54 west of where we are today that will build

1:45:57 out Viera over the next 10 years or so so the next two slides

1:46:03 just show you a little bit more detail

1:46:05 on areas 2 and 3 this is the area we were referring to as Viera

1:46:10 east there’s about 77 existing bps students

1:46:15 in that area in fifth and sixth grade that would be our middle

1:46:17 school students and then there’s about 27 in

1:46:21 charter school fifth and sixth graders in charter schools in

1:46:24 this this area both two and three combined

1:46:26 area one this is basically the sun tree area there’s roughly 200

1:46:32 students that are bps students in

1:46:34 fifth and grade fifth and sixth grade and there’s 26 students

1:46:38 that are in charter schools in this geographic area

1:46:42 and then this slide just again kind of summarizes all of the

1:46:48 enrollment data this also includes the base area so if we just

1:46:53 are looking at the base there’s about

1:46:54 549 existing fifth and sixth grade students in that area and

1:46:59 there’s 273 charter school students in fifth

1:47:04 and sixth grade within the base boundaries so that’s the big red

1:47:07 line so as we go through the next few

1:47:10 slides and i talk about the implications of bringing areas into

1:47:15 the boundary keep in mind we are not

1:47:18 accounting for any charter schools any current charter school

1:47:20 students moving so we’re just talking i’m

1:47:23 talking about existing fifth and sixth grade students in our bps

1:47:28 schools

1:47:28 so after the last board discussion on this we stood up a

1:47:35 community engagement process and we

1:47:38 put out an online survey and these are the questions that we

1:47:41 asked our residents and i want to briefly go

1:47:44 through the responses that we received also attached to today’s

1:47:48 workshop agenda is a multi-page summary of

1:47:50 all the comments that we received and there’s 300 or so of them

1:47:54 and you can get a flavor of what our

1:47:57 constituents are thinking about when they looked at these

1:48:00 potential boundary areas so just to summarize some

1:48:05 of the questions we asked are your parent or your student an

1:48:08 employee and large preponderance of the

1:48:12 results and the folks who responded to the survey are parents so

1:48:16 you can think about the responses in that

1:48:18 context we did have a fair number of potential seventh and

1:48:23 eighth grade students for our middle school

1:48:27 school opening in august of 24 oops sorry this slide just shows

1:48:31 the distribution of the elementary school

1:48:35 students within the respondents of the survey so we had a pretty

1:48:39 good representation from

1:48:42 most of our elementary schools it was interesting to note that

1:48:45 the viera elementary school was not that

1:48:48 well represented but most of the viera elementary school area is

1:48:51 within the base boundary so we didn’t

1:48:54 pick up a lot of respondents from that area and we had a

1:48:57 question about transportation just kind of

1:49:01 see how folks got their children to school and then we asked if

1:49:05 your rising middle school student were to

1:49:08 be zoned for the new middle school in august of 2024 what would

1:49:11 you do and you can see 75 percent of the

1:49:15 respondents said that that they’d come to the middle school and

1:49:18 that’s especially important if you look

1:49:20 at the next line which is the not applicable line so that takes

1:49:23 another 20 percent out of the equation

1:49:26 so for the most part most people who responded to the survey

1:49:30 that indicated that they would be sending

1:49:34 their student to our new middle school so you can see there’s

1:49:37 there’s pretty strong community interest

1:49:40 in being a part of the middle school and then we asked their

1:49:42 thoughts about the the different boundary

1:49:45 areas we asked you know should you definitely include a

1:49:48 particular area in the boundary don’t include

1:49:51 it or include part or not not sure you can see that for the the

1:49:55 base boundary the general agreement that that made

1:49:58 more or less sense option one in the sun tree area they had some

1:50:03 there’s some different opinions about that

1:50:05 and keep in mind that some of the opinions about the sun tree

1:50:09 area might be folks that are in the viera east area

1:50:11 so it’s not necessarily coming from your home area

1:50:15 so you could you could parse that out a little bit if you read

1:50:18 the comments about you know we should be in

1:50:20 and they should not be in you can see that in the in the

1:50:23 comments a little bit more specifically

1:50:25 and then this slide shows the the thoughts about the viera east

1:50:31 areas both area two and area three and

1:50:34 again the folks in that area felt very strongly that they would

1:50:37 like to be included

1:50:39 generally around the the sense that they were some of the first

1:50:43 residents in the viera area and you saw

1:50:45 that in the comments

1:50:46 this map shows you as of march 24th the general location of the

1:50:55 people who responded to the survey

1:50:58 so we felt it was important to map that so you could see that

1:51:01 there there’s a pretty good distribution

1:51:03 of folks we got a lot of comments from the viera east area in

1:51:07 the north and we got a fair number of

1:51:10 comments from the sun tree area in the south as well so pretty

1:51:13 good distribution of respondents to the

1:51:16 survey so a couple things came out of the survey the first was

1:51:22 there were folks in some of the chelsea park

1:51:26 area these are basically in you can see in the green shaded area

1:51:30 that is within the yellow line these are

1:51:32 folks that are zoned for manatee elementary and would like to be

1:51:37 included in the boundary there’s a

1:51:39 little bit a piece of williams in there as well on the east side

1:51:42 this boundary represents 74 existing

1:51:46 fifth and sixth grade students so just keep that in mind as we

1:51:50 go through this

1:51:53 and then in this area this is this is the area of south of sun

1:51:58 tree elementary and the residents in

1:52:04 this area generally these are grand haven residents if you’re

1:52:07 reading the comments they identify as

1:52:09 grand haven residents they would also like to be included in the

1:52:12 boundary and their numbers are 111

1:52:18 fifth and sixth grade students in the area that’s within the

1:52:21 yellow line and this yellow line is drawn

1:52:24 on the high school boundaries so we’ve kind of tried to pick up

1:52:28 what is the viera high school area just to

1:52:32 again try to have a starting point for the conversation and then

1:52:35 the next two slides reflect a conversation

1:52:38 that we actually had today our staff had a briefing and went

1:52:43 through this presentation with the pto presidents

1:52:46 for all the schools the elementary schools in this area and

1:52:49 everyone was you know interested in in the

1:52:53 process and heard comments pretty similar to what you’ve seen

1:52:58 already but an idea came up that i wanted

1:53:00 to just mention to you if you would like us to pursue this the

1:53:04 idea came from the sun tree pto and century

1:53:10 principles said you know they they’ve heard from some of their

1:53:13 parents and neither could say whether

1:53:17 some meant you know 50 percent or two percent so we don’t we don’t

1:53:21 really know but there was a comment made

1:53:24 that perhaps some areas some areas in here could remain zoned

1:53:30 for delora but they would like to

1:53:34 also be rezoned for satellite high school and so we hadn’t had

1:53:38 that in the mix yet certainly willing to

1:53:41 take a look at that and we literally had a half hour to put this

1:53:44 together so i haven’t looked at this too

1:53:46 closely but it is something that we could consider we could run

1:53:49 the numbers we could do a survey of the

1:53:52 um folks in this area and see what they think and get some

1:53:56 better data but i have no data on this other

1:53:59 than this idea came up as part of our community engagement

1:54:02 process and we’ll be meeting with the

1:54:04 um we we work this through the century homeowners association

1:54:07 but basically meeting with the sun tree

1:54:10 community on april 3rd so this is another opportunity to have

1:54:14 that conversation with that community

1:54:17 and then this just shows you the same areas the area 1a i think

1:54:22 was in green and area 1b was in purple

1:54:25 drawn on the high school boundary map so just kind of gives you

1:54:28 a sense of

1:54:29 how that overlays the high school boundary so this is the most

1:54:34 important slide to pay attention to i think

1:54:38 if you look at the the bottom number in blue we’re at 91.8

1:54:44 projected in terms of the the consumption of

1:54:47 the capacity at the school if we include the base area and areas

1:54:52 one two and three and you know if you

1:54:56 look to the right you’ll see as viera continues to grow that

1:54:59 certainly is going to stress the capacity of

1:55:02 the school now in other areas of the district where we’ve had

1:55:05 this circumstance that capacity has been

1:55:08 provided by other providers and so with charter schools and hb1

1:55:14 this is not necessarily our

1:55:17 responsibility to provide seats for these students at this point

1:55:21 in time but you may see competition

1:55:25 coming in because obviously there’s going to be more demand than

1:55:30 capacity available for students assuming

1:55:32 that vr continues to grow in the patterns that they have had in

1:55:36 the recent past

1:55:37 so as we’re talking about potentially adding new areas as a

1:55:42 result of community engagement this is

1:55:45 where i would start to get concerned that we we don’t want to

1:55:48 open the school and not have enough

1:55:50 seats for the students that we have zoned into the school

1:55:53 this slide is one that was in the prior presentation and this is

1:56:01 a proposal by transportation

1:56:03 and i just wanted to put it out there because it it also has

1:56:07 some merit it picks up areas two and three

1:56:12 and divides the sun tree area they had some some thoughts on

1:56:18 their busing routes relative to areas

1:56:21 where they can and cannot cross the railroad due to the short

1:56:24 distance between the railroad and us-1

1:56:26 so they have they have some really quirky routes in this area so

1:56:30 this is something that they proposed

1:56:32 and this starts off at about 77 percent of capacity but it doesn’t

1:56:37 include a large portion of the sun tree area

1:56:42 and so this gives you a summary of our next steps we did have

1:56:46 our pto meeting this morning and

1:56:48 we will be briefing the century master homeowners associations

1:56:53 host century master homeowner association

1:56:56 on the 30th and then we have a community meeting on the third so

1:57:00 we’ll be continually continuing to

1:57:03 compile our survey responses our intention is to have this on

1:57:07 the information agenda april 11th

1:57:11 and i’ve tentatively scheduled it there but what i’d like to be

1:57:15 able to provide to the board is a

1:57:16 recommendation along with that and we’re not quite ready to do

1:57:19 that i wanted to get some feedback

1:57:21 from the board today as well as conclude some of our community

1:57:25 engagement processes next week before

1:57:28 providing a recommendation but i do want to i do want to be able

1:57:32 to do that on the fourth that leads to the

1:57:34 action agenda on april 25th at which the board will schedule the

1:57:38 public hearing which has to be 30 days

1:57:41 out and that will occur on may the third our goal is to really

1:57:45 get this done before summer break so

1:57:47 people know where they’re going to be zoned it certainly can go

1:57:51 a little bit longer if if we find

1:57:53 that we need to do that but i my goal is to have this completed

1:57:57 by may 30th and so these are kind of

1:58:01 the board discussion points for you um you know we heard through

1:58:05 the surveys and just you know phone calls

1:58:08 and some emails the community is very supportive of the new

1:58:11 school there’s a lot of excitement out there

1:58:13 and folks want to be part of the new school our leading and

1:58:16 learning side of the house they had some

1:58:18 exciting programs there’s been some news in the vr area about it

1:58:21 it’s just it’s an exciting project and

1:58:24 you can see it being built and people want to want to be part of

1:58:28 that but there’s a lot of things that

1:58:30 make enrollment very difficult to predict right now just the

1:58:33 changing landscape with hb1 and how that

1:58:36 might impact you know whether the the students that we’re estimating

1:58:40 are actually going to enroll in

1:58:42 our schools so we we don’t really know and so we’re kind of

1:58:46 riding the the fence of we don’t want to

1:58:48 under enroll the school we don’t want to over enroll the school

1:58:51 so trying to be very um strategic about

1:58:53 that and then if you look carefully at some of the the charts

1:58:56 that were in this presentation in the prior

1:58:58 presentation the impacts to delora mcnair and kennedy are could

1:59:03 be kind of dramatic just again depending

1:59:06 on where people choose to send their students especially in the

1:59:10 environment of school choice

1:59:11 so we’re not we’re not really prepared to make any hardened fasts

1:59:16 like we know this is going to happen

1:59:18 because we just don’t know what’s going to happen and we want to

1:59:22 see what evolves over the next year

1:59:25 with school choice and how folks make decisions about where to

1:59:28 send their students

1:59:30 so from our perspective a smaller boundary leaves room for

1:59:34 growth but it is definitely contrary to

1:59:37 community input we heard people loud and clear they want to be

1:59:40 part of the school

1:59:42 and i think in the environment of school choice we have to be

1:59:45 cognizant that the the choice might not

1:59:48 be between a bps school and a bps school the choice might be

1:59:52 between a bps school and either a charter

1:59:54 or private school or other other educational options so so i

1:59:58 think you know that’s the the risk on the

2:00:01 smaller boundary on the larger boundary we’re limiting our

2:00:06 ability to accommodate future growth it is more

2:00:10 responsive to community input we might have to look at boundary

2:00:14 changes later and i i won’t be here for

2:00:17 that under any circumstances but it’s you know the boundary

2:00:22 change process is is painful it’s it’s painful with a new

2:00:27 school so it’s it’s even more painful when you try to redistrict

2:00:31 folks out of the schools that they’re used

2:00:33 used to attending and then you know we have a concern about not

2:00:37 opening the school over capacity we have to be careful

2:00:41 about that now there’s there’s room for growth on the site so

2:00:45 you know it’s not

2:00:46 impossible to accommodate additional growth but i think from an

2:00:50 educational perspective

2:00:52 you know big huge middle school maybe is not the best approach

2:00:55 so i think there’s different ways to handle growth pressures we

2:01:00 also have

2:01:00 the our relationship with the vr company requires some

2:01:04 additional school sites in the future so when

2:01:06 we’re ready to invest in more schools they have the obligation

2:01:10 to provide more school sites most

2:01:12 likely they’ll be to the south and to the west so not an insurmountable

2:01:17 problem but it is pretty

2:01:19 challenging trying to figure out exactly what the sweet spot is

2:01:22 for opening the school so with that i’d

2:01:26 ask for some guidance and some perspective

2:01:27 thank you miss hand um just so everybody knows this has been rezonings

2:01:34 and everything for the past

2:01:37 six years of school board and this is intimately my community

2:01:40 that i live in

2:01:41 i have done some extensive work in here but i’ll wait until

2:01:44 everybody else speaks and then i’ll be able to

2:01:46 give mine um does anybody else wish to speak on this to open up

2:01:49 the conversation start okay um thank you

2:01:54 sue i know how much work goes into this as well as your team i

2:01:56 know it’s not just you um and i don’t

2:01:59 envy any of you that have to participate in all those briefings

2:02:03 and those conversations it’s definitely

2:02:05 challenging and um probably often sometimes feel like you’re

2:02:08 leaving people a little dissatisfied or just

2:02:11 disappointed sometimes if they’re not hearing the things that

2:02:13 they want to hear um i think this puts

2:02:17 us into a peculiar situation especially because of house bill

2:02:20 one putting us in a situation where we

2:02:23 have to decide if we want to be reactive or proactive uh which

2:02:27 is dangerous when making decisions because

2:02:29 we’re not really always going to make the right decision um

2:02:32 because unfortunately it’s clouded by by

2:02:35 pressures um externally uh so i hear you i there is a concern if

2:02:40 we exclude area three that seems to be

2:02:44 very responsive on the heat map that wants to be included that

2:02:48 they very much could choose to go to a charter

2:02:50 school in the area because there’s so many available right

2:02:53 nearby and that’s something that we need to

2:02:55 think about because and correct me if i’m wrong but i feel like

2:02:57 the data you presented it seemed like

2:02:59 most of the respondents weren’t yet in middle school so they are

2:03:02 very likely potential students that can

2:03:05 go somewhere else um i am hesitant and nervous to open a school

2:03:09 at such a high capacity when we know

2:03:11 they’re absolutely going to grow i’m also concerned about the

2:03:15 staffing of a school at such a high capacity

2:03:20 i’m concerned that we may not be able to fulfill the needs of

2:03:22 those students in that school and we

2:03:23 don’t want to necessarily start off with substitutes in our

2:03:26 brand new school that parents are really

2:03:27 excited to go to either so i’m a little bit concerned about that

2:03:32 um

2:03:33 you re-highlighted it for me and i wrote it down immediately the

2:03:40 enrollment at those other middle

2:03:42 schools will significantly decline um the fact that we would

2:03:46 potentially have a middle school with

2:03:49 under 300 students is alarming i mean it’s a number that’s close

2:03:53 to some of our smallest elementary

2:03:55 schools in the district um the one positive for those students

2:03:59 is they get a lot more

2:04:00 direct attention and probably decreased behaviors in those

2:04:04 schools um but it is concerning because what

2:04:07 are we going to see the future of those schools look like we

2:04:09 still have to run those buildings and

2:04:11 their their operational budget is maybe not going to meet the

2:04:16 needs anymore of that building so i’m i’m

2:04:20 definitely concerned i don’t i i’m sorry i’m not going to help

2:04:23 you here i don’t have a strong opinion

2:04:25 either way right now of like who to include and not include um i’m

2:04:28 more towards the being proactive

2:04:31 versus reactive right now uh because of the external pressures

2:04:36 but i’m not ignorant of the fact that they exist

2:04:38 i do have a clarifying question though because i got a little a

2:04:42 little lost here so you had mentioned

2:04:46 these requested areas to add so there was a part of manatee and

2:04:54 grand haven those are not in areas one two

2:04:57 and three correct those are addition to correct the manatee

2:05:01 areas on the north side that’s part of

2:05:04 uh chelsea park is if you’re reading comments it’s chelsea park

2:05:08 for the most part that is not in either

2:05:11 area two or three and then the grand haven area is down south of

2:05:16 sun tree and that is not in area one

2:05:18 okay and so the numbers that you presented for the projected

2:05:22 student membership at 91.8 percent is not

2:05:25 including those that is correct additional students so and again

2:05:30 i like this is we’re zoomed in on a

2:05:32 map here and my question might be ridiculous because it may not

2:05:34 line up with any other school

2:05:36 boundaries but um in order to potentially meet the needs of some

2:05:39 of these and i’ll use grand haven as

2:05:42 an example because i just know where it is sorry sorry everybody

2:05:46 else on the map um is there a potential

2:05:49 consideration of offering to those areas to be connected to the

2:05:53 other one so i believe delora’s

2:05:55 line is over there somewhere on the pineta um to potentially

2:06:00 include them in delora to just bring

2:06:02 them over pineta instead um is that a conversation maybe to

2:06:08 include other areas so let’s see i don’t have

2:06:13 the middle so let me go back to the middle school boundaries

2:06:20 okay so the area that we’re talking about is basically

2:06:27 below the gray line so we’re the area one

2:06:31 area is in sort of white so as you get into the blue area there

2:06:39 those are students that attend johnson right

2:06:41 now so their area is adjacent to delora it is not they’re not in

2:06:48 delora at this time right i’m sorry

2:06:51 so what i what i meant by that was some of and i’m not i’m only

2:06:54 speaking to one situation but there’s

2:06:56 all different variables in here that would be a little bit

2:06:58 different if there was some consideration

2:07:00 for some of these to be offered different lines than the ones

2:07:04 that they have or i don’t know just

2:07:06 throwing that out there um so if we did not include all of the

2:07:11 areas like at what point do are we closing

2:07:15 the out of area for students to opt in i would i probably asked

2:07:21 i think it’s i don’t know if it’s

2:07:23 90 or 95 so we’d be pretty close i don’t know that we’d be uh we

2:07:27 have to see how that goes but uh yeah

2:07:30 is it 90 or 90 like what’s the number 95 okay um because i mean

2:07:35 i know that’s not an answer for

2:07:38 people who are in areas two and three that really want to be

2:07:40 included in this but it’s also in the

2:07:41 first couple of years if your kids in fifth and sixth grade they

2:07:44 very likely have the opportunity to

2:07:45 to out of area into that school as well so yeah i don’t have an

2:07:49 answer for you but thank you

2:07:50 anybody else wish to discuss

2:07:56 thank you sue and your whole team because i know from reading

2:08:02 the comments and the emails that just

2:08:05 very passionate um and and i you know and a lot of it is

2:08:09 misunderstanding i think if you guys read the

2:08:12 comments it’s a lot of i paid these taxes for this school and

2:08:15 not realizing that the taxes you pay

2:08:17 actually pay for the schools where your kids are attending right

2:08:19 now they pay for all the schools

2:08:20 and the other thing is just the funding i you guys probably saw

2:08:23 sue’s response to my question which

2:08:25 is the impact she addressed the impact fees so the impact fees

2:08:28 that we’re using to build this school

2:08:31 almost completely debt-free yay um also came from homes at lots

2:08:36 and bills businesses that were built in the

2:08:39 west melbourne area in the palm bay area in the melbourne area

2:08:42 on the south end of the beach

2:08:43 side which there’s not a whole lot of building down there but

2:08:45 there’s some you know so those impact

2:08:47 fees are going to build this school so it’s not this is our viera

2:08:50 money viera school so it’s a

2:08:52 misunderstanding and i’ll give an example where there’s a

2:08:54 charter school that was built in sawgrass

2:08:56 lakes which is a development in west melbourne and there were

2:09:00 realtors who were telling those

2:09:02 residents that that’s their school and if they bought a house in

2:09:04 there they were guaranteed to get in that

2:09:05 charter school and oh they’re surprised when they found out no

2:09:08 you had to apply and it and it grew

2:09:10 up but because they were promised something which they shouldn’t

2:09:13 have been promised um so you know

2:09:16 there’s also a lot of talk of some priorities for people as i

2:09:19 was reading through comments that they

2:09:20 wanted you know everybody from this elementary school should go

2:09:23 to the same middle school everybody

2:09:25 from this middle school should go everybody who’s going to this

2:09:27 high school should all come from the

2:09:28 same middle school and that’s also i actually love that we’re

2:09:31 doing this on the same days you’re doing the

2:09:32 student accommodation plan because i know the student

2:09:34 accommodation plan is really long you guys 123

2:09:37 it’s 123 pages but it’s a fascinating document i i look forward

2:09:40 to looking every year the from

2:09:42 two charts and everything but if you go to that and it’s on the

2:09:44 next agenda item if you want to open

2:09:46 it up um on page 34 it has our feeder system chart and yes we

2:09:49 have some areas especially in the north

2:09:52 where one middle school for example madison they all go to

2:09:55 astronaut jackson all goes to titusville

2:09:58 those three elementary schools uh atlantis challenger enterprise

2:10:01 all go to space coast but in the other

2:10:04 parts of the county that’s just not the way it is um you know

2:10:08 palm bay heritage melbourne bayside

2:10:10 satellite viera ogalley rockledge they even a little bit of merritt

2:10:14 island there are you know different

2:10:17 schools make up just because the way this where the schools are

2:10:20 it makes sense and so um it’s it’s

2:10:24 we’re just not going to be able to make everybody happy and that

2:10:26 is one of the hard realities of

2:10:28 being in the position we’re in we have to make hard decisions um

2:10:30 but you know one of the things that

2:10:32 was mentioned by few commenters had to do with you know why are

2:10:35 you taking an area out of johnson middle

2:10:37 school or oak alley but that area right now currently doesn’t

2:10:41 have any that’s a future development

2:10:43 correct that area at the very south end of the the main boundary

2:10:49 am i correct in that i give you a go

2:10:52 the south end i would say for the most part is under development

2:10:59 okay it’s the west area right so

2:11:01 it’s not like we’re going to be taking kids who are right now

2:11:03 going to johnson and ogalley and then

2:11:05 we’re going to move and we’re just saying that’s where the

2:11:07 development’s going and transportation wise i

2:11:09 think it makes sense to keep those on this side of the highway

2:11:13 um so i just to me i don’t have a

2:11:20 specific answer but i i do have a couple of things my my input

2:11:25 is one um i would rather us start like

2:11:28 we started viara elementary where we we kept the zone we kind of

2:11:32 had a hard zone and a hard soft zone we

2:11:34 keep keep the zoning for the new development area for like what

2:11:38 you have um maybe add tiny bits if you

2:11:40 feel like that f the recommendations but we’ve got such huge

2:11:44 growth coming i think we have to keep it

2:11:46 open um and we will have until it reaches that 95 capacity we

2:11:51 will have the choice option families

2:11:53 from anywhere in the district from mems if they want to from malabar

2:11:57 if they want to can elo into this

2:12:00 school until we get to the point that they’re frozen and just

2:12:04 for the board’s sake uh knowledge

2:12:06 that we have very few schools that are frozen like this year i

2:12:08 think satellites frozen various frozen

2:12:10 and maybe one or two elementaries i don’t won’t make jane quote

2:12:13 them right now but it’s only very

2:12:15 few schools that we have frozen so we’ll we what we did with vr

2:12:18 elementary we we said if you live in this

2:12:22 newer area you’re automatically zone for this elementary school

2:12:25 but anybody can can choice in and they still can

2:12:28 um until it reaches capacity and the open bureau elementary

2:12:32 actually less students because it was

2:12:34 coven year than we thought we were going to be able to have and

2:12:37 then it has continued to grow

2:12:38 over years with population and with people choicing in so i just

2:12:41 think that’s a better option but then

2:12:43 also considering our transportation crisis right now to me

2:12:47 keeping the routes that we can cover

2:12:52 more easily is also a really high priority for me so i would

2:12:55 just say i would rather start small and with

2:12:58 let people choice in and be able to accommodate this massive

2:13:02 growth that’s coming and then prioritize

2:13:04 transportation anybody else want to speak on it yeah i’ll speak

2:13:09 on it briefly just really quickly um

2:13:12 it’s a new school so it’s exciting everyone wants to be part of

2:13:15 a new school right everything and there’s

2:13:17 new there’s all kinds of great things happening um i think that

2:13:19 what what would be very good for our

2:13:21 board to do is proactively look at these three schools that are

2:13:24 going to to really take the hit

2:13:25 with the students that are going to be pulled from there and and

2:13:29 start considering reimagining what

2:13:31 those middle schools look like uh so that maybe that becomes an

2:13:34 option that a parent is attracted to

2:13:35 as well um so maybe something very specific and it’s something

2:13:39 that we can discuss in future time but

2:13:41 just to start thinking outside of the box because these numbers

2:13:43 are going to change obviously when i

2:13:44 look at this presentation that sue has given us uh five year

2:13:48 five to ten year capacity of 160 percent

2:13:50 for this new middle school isn’t going to work so so we’re going

2:13:53 to have to do something different

2:13:54 to make sure that that the other schools are viable options for

2:13:57 our parents as well so i think i’m

2:14:00 with you miss campbell on on not necessarily starting at the

2:14:03 very max just because that poses some

2:14:05 potential with incoming families that are moving in um but it is

2:14:08 exciting it’s very exciting but i i

2:14:11 also want our families that are part of delora kennedy and mcnair

2:14:14 to know that that they won’t be

2:14:15 forgotten about right that we will make sure that those schools

2:14:17 are viable options and that there

2:14:18 may be something fun that comes in the future that that will be

2:14:21 very unique and specific to that

2:14:23 school that their their student might really really love and

2:14:25 thrive in that environment that’s all

2:14:27 jean uh i’ll echo that we just need to make it clear that we

2:14:37 have you know set those initial

2:14:41 for the growth and not that we forgot about anyone that’s

2:14:44 already here and we appreciate all the

2:14:46 input that we’re getting but then stress um that they can opt

2:14:51 into the school just the same and we

2:14:53 expect that to happen until the growth gets to a point where we

2:14:59 we can’t um it’s boundaries are

2:15:02 i won’t use that phrase boundaries are difficult uh in this

2:15:05 there’s there’s just no way around it you know

2:15:09 you’re always going to make somebody feel like they’ve been left

2:15:11 out when they’re not you know so

2:15:13 but they can take advantage of this that’s what’s nice uh about

2:15:16 how we how we have school choice

2:15:18 already kind of set up here in brevard that they’re able to take

2:15:21 advantage of this so um thank you for

2:15:23 all the work so far uh we’re not done yet so thank you everybody

2:15:28 one of the things that when we speak

2:15:30 about the impact fee argument and the vieira promise that was

2:15:33 going on i’m just going to start from the top is

2:15:35 is that um many families when they came here before were in vieira

2:15:40 in the 90s and they were told that

2:15:42 we were working on it by our own school board um karen henderson

2:15:46 the school board prior to us made

2:15:48 her literal eight years on fighting for this middle school right

2:15:52 so that was promised to them they and

2:15:55 what happened is is every step of the way something happened so

2:15:58 um 2008 we had the crisis they then

2:16:00 were getting ready to build it and then it fell down right and

2:16:02 it just seemed like every step of

2:16:04 the way so what was happening was is that the impact fees while

2:16:07 the growth was in vieira not down south

2:16:09 was going to other areas so that’s their argument which i would

2:16:13 and and if miss miss hand will tell you

2:16:15 um we’ve i explained to them that that is the most poor argument

2:16:19 to make in getting your school to get

2:16:21 to get here because it’s disingenuous because the revenue that

2:16:25 we’ve received now has come out of

2:16:27 the south end of the county so like like that’s a moot point but

2:16:30 i did want to just say where that came

2:16:32 from as far as a perspective um our discussion with our parents

2:16:36 i will tell you what’s going to happen

2:16:38 so right now that’s not inside of this in arizona the equivalent

2:16:43 of hb1 had a 30 percent impact on

2:16:46 higher affluent areas because the families were able to do it so

2:16:50 literally right now as soon as hb1

2:16:53 which was signed yesterday a family can go to home school

2:16:56 receive the money okay a family can go to

2:16:58 right down the road to the private school uh holy trinity

2:17:02 receive money they can now go to the charter

2:17:05 schools proceed you know what i mean they can give that money to

2:17:09 them the charter school pinecrest

2:17:11 is now building an addition correct to include more which is um

2:17:16 not reflective in here the other

2:17:19 component is is that there’s an anglican church that just opened

2:17:22 up and i just found this out just

2:17:24 talking to somebody they’re opening up a k through 12 and they’re

2:17:27 going to have that it’s right there

2:17:29 in sun tree so there’s that component you have um one more that

2:17:33 the gentleman’s been discussing with

2:17:35 us for over a year and a half that is going to be a um seven

2:17:39 through 12. so those numbers are going to

2:17:43 significantly decrease the area without a doubt so whereas we’re

2:17:48 looking at these systems around here

2:17:50 and we say oh well if everybody goes in right now we’re going to

2:17:54 be at 92 percent capacity i will promise

2:17:56 you that that will drop significantly so with that i would make

2:18:01 a very strong argument that just those

2:18:03 components will do it now years ago when i came on i looked at

2:18:08 these bottom um so can you put up those

2:18:11 johnson and those those areas down there where we have delora

2:18:15 the grand haven where they’re all you

2:18:17 know that area real quick i want you guys to see something so

2:18:21 and i’m sorry i can’t even i can’t even

2:18:23 get online so i’m gonna have to look over at somebody else’s

2:18:25 because it logged me off um there we go

2:18:27 mr susan uh no the one that has the ones that are zoned for

2:18:31 satellite you know what i mean pineeta is

2:18:34 that can you show pineeta he wants them all the bigger one the

2:18:37 bigger one the big middle school map

2:18:39 big middle school map you pulled it up for me

2:18:41 this one yeah that was that was the one you pulled all right so

2:18:48 here’s what happened many of our rezones and

2:18:51 many of our instances in the past inside of our schools we have

2:18:54 turned around and said we’re going

2:18:57 to rezone this group thinking that one thing was going to happen

2:19:00 and what ended up happening was

2:19:01 completely opposite of that so pineeta crossings which i can’t

2:19:04 pull up here because i don’t for

2:19:06 whatever reason i can’t get it was rezoned from longleaf to sherwood

2:19:12 and only a third of the students

2:19:14 in the state right now our conversations that sue and i had at

2:19:18 some of our meet and greets inside the

2:19:20 community one of them they were the parents just said flat out

2:19:24 we’re not coming if we’re not zoned for

2:19:26 it so when we look at these other schools and we say delora mcnair

2:19:31 kennedy and all of those we’re

2:19:33 looking at as if those people are going to stay there and there’s

2:19:36 a significant chance with hb1 and what

2:19:39 happened in satellite or over in arizona that actually we’re

2:19:43 going to see a drop so there’s a

2:19:45 significant drop across the other component that you have is is

2:19:50 that with the charter schools the

2:19:52 home school options are increasing i would very much say this is

2:19:56 my community that i know these are the

2:19:59 families that i go to soccer with these are the people that i

2:20:02 understand they are not going to stay in

2:20:04 kennedy they’re not going to stay they’re getting to the point

2:20:07 where they can receive and go other places

2:20:09 so our numbers are going to be lower than what we anticipate

2:20:13 okay that’s the first argument the second

2:20:16 piece is is that when we look at some of those delora mcnair and

2:20:21 kennedy okay mcnair has been an issue

2:20:24 where they’re at 60 right now it would drop them according to

2:20:28 this to 49 so a 10 drop

2:20:31 kennedy would be um reduced and delora would be reduced but a

2:20:36 many of you don’t under may not know

2:20:38 but coco used to have clear lake next to coco high school and i

2:20:42 will tell you that the junior senior

2:20:45 model is stronger than the separate high school and middle

2:20:49 school program so delora is right next to

2:20:52 satellite and they can go ahead and move to a to a junior senior

2:20:56 model immediately if that was the case

2:20:59 which would allow them to take care of the capacity and mcnair

2:21:03 could become a only choice option where

2:21:06 we put a pump a lot of options inside there and then kennedy

2:21:09 could take the other options there are

2:21:11 significant issues there that we can resolve there are former

2:21:14 examples inside the community and there

2:21:17 are actual um examples that we can do like they’re not pie in

2:21:21 the sky these are these are part of it

2:21:24 i think the other component that we’re looking at is

2:21:26 transportation so right now on over the

2:21:31 transportation that we would be setting up the transportation of

2:21:35 creating these zones rather

2:21:36 than going to delora would significantly reduce about you know

2:21:40 what i mean we have 10 buses to 11 buses

2:21:43 that go over the causeways every day if we continue with

2:21:47 allowing them to go to delora then we’re going to

2:21:50 continue to send them over plus that’s going to cost that’s an

2:21:53 extreme cost the other piece is is that my

2:21:56 families are screaming that they can’t go over to delora because

2:21:59 they’re split so a lot of them go to

2:22:01 the charter schools because they don’t want to go to an

2:22:03 elementary school and then their kids way

2:22:05 over the chart array over the things there are some parents that

2:22:08 enjoy to go to delora there are

2:22:10 there’s a small percentage of them if you pull them they would

2:22:12 want to stay and there’s you’ve seen that before in recent stuff

2:22:15 but the majority of parents use the charter schools in viera

2:22:19 because of the fact that they’re split

2:22:21 so the other issue that i wanted to bring up was that we built

2:22:26 the elementary school with the footprint

2:22:29 of having we can have middle school classes in there so

2:22:32 innovatively saying that in the event that we

2:22:35 have too much in the future you can turn that school into a k-8

2:22:39 it is it is k-8s are

2:22:42 what every school district is building what every it has 30

2:22:46 years of statistical data that goes back

2:22:48 and plays out that it is higher numbers and better so like the

2:22:53 idea that we all of a sudden would not

2:22:56 be able to take care of the growth is not there the idea that

2:22:59 the other schools that are out there that

2:23:02 are in the north and everywhere else are going to be decimated

2:23:05 and there’s no issue they’re going to be

2:23:07 anyway into a to a degree maybe maybe not as bad but we’re going

2:23:11 to have to have those conversations

2:23:13 anyway and i will tell you that we are going to significantly

2:23:17 reduce our population of our attendees

2:23:19 inside the area that we are if we don’t include them in the

2:23:22 middle school they have the affluence to

2:23:24 do it and i would recommend that we keep all of the one twos and

2:23:28 threes that are inside there currently

2:23:32 and move forward with that plan and then see if we want to take

2:23:35 the north and the south pieces to it

2:23:38 does that make sense to you sue can you bring them back up there

2:23:41 it is areas one two and three

2:23:42 currently under the current one my son will go to um my son will

2:23:48 go to the middle school my daughter

2:23:51 will go to delora because we live a quarter mile apart that is

2:23:53 significant in many of the other areas

2:23:55 too so if we don’t include area one you’re going that there’s

2:24:00 that’s what i wanted to to to lay out

2:24:02 for you guys but i would like to have more discussion about it

2:24:05 the idea of going to this hybrid model

2:24:08 is just they will not they the the hybrid model will not work

2:24:13 because they’re not zoned they’re going

2:24:16 to go to their other options they’re just not and the hybrid

2:24:19 model it’s going to grow it’ll then become

2:24:21 an issue of thousands of kids applying to the thing and parents

2:24:25 not getting it and then what’s going

2:24:26 to happen is is the over capacity of the applications the people

2:24:29 that are over that will then not want

2:24:31 to apply significant issues all the way around i truly believe

2:24:35 being that i am from this community

2:24:37 and i live in this community that if we add areas one two and

2:24:40 three to it we will not have a capacity

2:24:43 issue that we cannot deal with with the current infrastructure

2:24:45 that we have dr schiller

2:24:50 thank you i’d like to concur with um what mr susan is saying sue

2:24:54 and i have had extensive conversations

2:24:57 about building for the future and on thursday we’ll be talking

2:25:01 about i have a long paper coming to you

2:25:04 to talk about how this particular issue that you’re discussing

2:25:08 is a threshold issue with regard to

2:25:12 listening to what our stakeholders are saying and what we will

2:25:16 do or you will do in order to

2:25:20 ensure ensure ensure the multiple options and that their needs

2:25:25 the stakeholders needs and students are

2:25:28 met and you know and one other point which will be also

2:25:31 illustrated with the data we’ll review of

2:25:34 later this evening is the relationship between student

2:25:39 performance and grade span and you’re absolutely

2:25:43 right mr susan the nationwide there’s been a large large

2:25:48 emphasis in many districts starting in cincinnati

2:25:52 about 10 15 years ago of k-8 districts as well as looking at

2:25:58 different grade spans for middle schools

2:26:03 and what impact it has on maturation grade span age as well as

2:26:09 performance but this particular matter as well as

2:26:16 the needs for the needs for brick and mortar in this particular

2:26:20 area among others going down the road

2:26:22 has to be looked at very carefully and strategically in light of

2:26:26 the multiple

2:26:27 options that are available and becoming available and and i just

2:26:33 would like to emphasize this is

2:26:35 a critical issue that folds into what we’ll be talking about on

2:26:40 thursday and i’ll be getting that memo out to you later today or

2:26:44 early tomorrow so

2:26:44 this one needs careful careful consideration among others that

2:26:52 we have with regard to future planning

2:26:54 in your in the plan we’ve spent a lot of time looking at this

2:26:59 and touring and and looking at the

2:27:02 what-if scenarios and we’re dealing now with more of a fact base

2:27:06 of what it appears to be fiscal

2:27:09 and programmatic and planning implications due to the passage

2:27:13 and the signing into law

2:27:14 of hb1 thank you thank you i think the the other one that i

2:27:19 wanted to point out i’m sorry because

2:27:21 i forgot is that when we opened up viera elementary school there

2:27:25 was not as significant of a need

2:27:28 and that’s why we went to the choice yeah because we just needed

2:27:31 the little section that was already

2:27:33 there and then to build into it so currently um that that’s not

2:27:36 the same situation that’s here so anyways um

2:27:40 miss campbell wanted to speak let me start backwards and address

2:27:43 the thing that you just said there

2:27:44 wasn’t as much of a a need yet because a lot of the growth has

2:27:47 happened in the buildings happened since

2:27:49 then currently when you look at our student and again i’m just

2:27:52 have to i’m so glad we’re talking about

2:27:54 accommodation plan at the same time because we have all those

2:27:56 documents we don’t have any middle schools

2:27:58 that are at capacity so as far as need need by capacity we don’t

2:28:03 actually have that in our middle schools

2:28:05 right when that we what we have the need of is putting something

2:28:09 closer to this huge population

2:28:11 that we have in this area around us we that is a need but it’s a

2:28:14 different it’s not a need as far

2:28:16 as capacity goes so um you know we did have actually a huge need

2:28:19 of when it came to elementary schools

2:28:21 and capacity because quest at the time was bursting at the seams

2:28:24 and had all these outbuildings they

2:28:26 were over 100 capacity manatee at the time was also you can go

2:28:30 back and look in the historic data for

2:28:33 those two schools bursting at the seams we had to have a new

2:28:36 elementary something even with the new

2:28:37 charter schools that were built one of them the same exact year

2:28:41 um we had to have elementary capacity

2:28:44 in this area so there absolutely was a need for that um you know

2:28:48 i i will totally acknowledge mr

2:28:50 susan that you are more familiar with this area and the golf

2:28:53 cart lifestyle that is viera i recognize

2:28:56 that but what i’m hearing from four board members is we don’t

2:28:58 want to over populate this school and

2:29:00 that we want to take advantage of the choice populations i’m not

2:29:03 saying that i hear from four

2:29:05 people um don’t include any of these extra people in these extra

2:29:09 areas but to be judicious about it

2:29:11 i i think we might we turn mcnair into a choice school yes might

2:29:16 we turn satellite into junior senior

2:29:19 yes and satellite’s one of our high schools that’s at capacity

2:29:22 maybe you know who knows what creative

2:29:23 things we could do there might we create a k-8 yes but that won’t

2:29:27 necessarily change the problem that will

2:29:29 be created by filling the school to the brim almost from the get-go

2:29:33 and here’s the conversations that

2:29:36 i really don’t want to have and i i what i don’t want to have in

2:29:40 two years is we promised all these

2:29:43 areas this is now your zoned school and then we do get to over

2:29:47 capacity and say we have to redistrict

2:29:49 and say oh well two years ago we said you could be in it but now

2:29:52 you’re going back i would rather us

2:29:55 start smaller and i understand the importance of hb1 and all

2:29:59 that and but again we have been a choice

2:30:01 district and i think people this area they know how to choice

2:30:05 out and you know that because when

2:30:07 we had transportation a few years before we stopped doing

2:30:10 transportation for our choice programs we had

2:30:12 the regional busing the year before we had to stop that because

2:30:14 of budgeting and transportation issues

2:30:18 the majority of the people the largest number of people who took

2:30:22 advantage of those that regional

2:30:24 busing lived in the suntree and viera area except with the maybe

2:30:27 exception of west melbourne had a lot

2:30:29 but those areas so these people know how to choice they know how

2:30:31 to choice to westwood uh west shore

2:30:34 westwood almost i made a ship school um they know how to choice

2:30:38 to west shore they know how to choice to

2:30:40 edgewood they’re taking advantage of those opportunities and you

2:30:42 know just you know so and i also want us to be

2:30:46 careful because you know there are some things that i we’re we’re

2:30:51 dancing around talking about other

2:30:53 schools as inferior and it’s been funny because some of the

2:30:56 comments i said i don’t like the teachers at

2:30:57 this school well guess what the teachers don’t make the building

2:31:00 that can happen anywhere um but i just

2:31:03 you know i again just have to reiterate the importance of not

2:31:08 getting my view and what i’m hearing three other

2:31:13 board members say of not overfilling the school but but filling

2:31:17 it with this choice option which will

2:31:19 mostly come from all these areas because these are the families

2:31:22 who’ve been wanting it and you know and

2:31:24 and then just have that natural growth and that natural um

2:31:28 recession or whatever the right word is

2:31:30 as we get more and and if we get this area built out even

2:31:34 farther and we’ve got to build the next

2:31:36 viera middle school then we go ahead and do that um but it’s not

2:31:40 so much about what we can’t do creatively

2:31:43 with these other schools we might have to do that anyway with

2:31:46 impacts of hb1 but i don’t feel like

2:31:48 stuffing the school from the get-go is is wise and i’m hearing

2:31:51 that from my other board members well i i

2:31:53 and i would i would i would argue back that the percentage of

2:31:55 transportation that’s needed um to accomplish

2:31:59 what it is we we are in a transportation nightmare so under that

2:32:02 current position you will be exporting

2:32:04 many of the kids over to causeways some of them sitting on the

2:32:07 on the bus for between 45 minutes

2:32:09 to an hour to try to get there because that’s the better

2:32:12 solution the other thing is is that we have

2:32:14 lost if you look at bps right now we have lost every year in our

2:32:18 capacity because we just keep losing to

2:32:22 all of these other charters you are setting up a situation where

2:32:26 the other charter schools will benefit

2:32:28 from this and our schools will not we will lose the revenue that’s

2:32:31 inside of there and that is not what

2:32:34 we said as a board we wanted to do we wanted to compete with

2:32:36 innovative options we wanted to compete

2:32:39 as far as putting that together this school under the current

2:32:42 one without one and two and three

2:32:44 will open up at almost three quarters capacity it won’t even be

2:32:49 nearly full and you’ll watch

2:32:50 all the other guys from one two and three go to other charters

2:32:53 that are being built right now there

2:32:54 is no question pineapple cove is expanding there is no i’m sorry

2:32:59 um pinecrest there is no question

2:33:02 that the anglican church is building there is no question that hb1

2:33:05 is coming and what we’re saying

2:33:07 is is that as we if we add one two and three it’s only going to

2:33:10 be at what was the percentage 92 percent

2:33:13 if all of those other options don’t happen if hb1 was wiped off

2:33:18 the board if all of a sudden all

2:33:20 of those charters were not exposed we are sitting at 92 percent

2:33:24 and so that’s my argument is is that

2:33:26 those people that are inside of there that are in suntry that

2:33:30 are in those other areas viera east

2:33:32 was the original viera area where they were the originally platted

2:33:38 viera area are screaming right

2:33:39 now saying that they wanted to be included and so the other the

2:33:43 the option is is that if you don’t

2:33:45 include them and you move to a choice program it is sending the

2:33:48 wrong message and we will end up losing

2:33:51 them and that’s not what i think the intent of this board was so

2:33:55 i would like to clarify with each

2:33:57 one of the board members what exactly their intent was because

2:34:00 if their intent is is to keep the actual

2:34:03 one then we are going to lose the rest of the capacity so i’d

2:34:07 like to ask there are one two and three zones

2:34:10 and i am also going to let you guys know that there will be a

2:34:14 large contingent that will show up here

2:34:16 of each one of those zones in on april 11th because they’re they

2:34:19 were told that we would just be

2:34:21 discussing this and they’re going to come feed in right now so i

2:34:24 would like to hear from everybody

2:34:27 in here what they feel about which zones should go in and which

2:34:30 zones should go out all right mr trent yeah

2:34:33 thanks um i keep forgetting about that hb1 uh you made some

2:34:37 valid points there and um you know potentially

2:34:42 losing some of those students and that’s as if you know those

2:34:46 numbers seem high if everyone takes

2:34:48 advantage of the situation uh which we know just doesn’t happen

2:34:52 in any situation given um we have

2:34:57 actual input from parents not potential parents that may move in

2:35:01 in the next one to five years

2:35:03 i would feel more comfortable opening it up to the parents that

2:35:09 are here now and not parents that

2:35:13 the house isn’t even built yet i would feel comfortable you know

2:35:17 allowing that looking at it on

2:35:19 the map i think transportation has a lot to do with this of uh

2:35:22 of opening it up to the

2:35:25 the districts uh or the areas one two and three and see where we

2:35:28 go on that um it is uh you know these

2:35:31 people moved into this area for a reason and you know now they

2:35:34 have the opportunity and for for for

2:35:37 them to potentially maybe not have that opportunity doesn’t seem

2:35:40 like you know we should be in that

2:35:42 position to pick winners and losers like that so um mr susan i

2:35:46 appreciate you bringing your perspective

2:35:49 to it and the whole hb1 and uh potential losing those students

2:35:52 and i just don’t think we we should have

2:35:54 that right to to do that so that’s where i stand so are you

2:35:57 saying to add one two and three yeah absolutely

2:36:00 all right miss wright just for clarification purposes i thought

2:36:03 this was the uh the same thing

2:36:05 we are this is the beginning conversation of this this process

2:36:08 and here’s where i think that no matter

2:36:13 what there’s going to be some hard decisions that are going to

2:36:14 come down the line and so when we look

2:36:15 at our capacity on some of these other schools i’m not saying i

2:36:18 hear what you’re saying mr susan because

2:36:20 you’re saying if we don’t do it we’re going to lose them so we’re

2:36:22 either going to get them over here to the year

2:36:24 middles or we’re going to lose them to a charter so what’s that

2:36:27 it’s transportation hang on it’s

2:36:29 transportation reduction it’s reduction in students that stuff

2:36:34 so with that being said i i agree i do

2:36:36 not want to lose these students from brevard county public

2:36:39 schools i agree with you 100 if we don’t

2:36:42 simultaneously look at the other schools the real the reality is

2:36:46 the conversation is going to come up

2:36:48 pretty quickly that we’re going to have to discuss keeping those

2:36:51 other schools open or not based on the

2:36:53 threshold and so that’s a conversation that we’re going to have

2:36:56 to have at some point i think i mean

2:36:59 it shouldn’t be one or can it be both can we can we not consider

2:37:03 doing something with mcnair in the

2:37:06 process allowing the one two and three to go to the new viera

2:37:09 middle school see what that looks like

2:37:11 but i mean what is that if if we get there in that capacity mr

2:37:14 susan that’s the the struggle that

2:37:16 i have is like were we going to go back and say hey oh by the

2:37:19 way we’re at we’re filled and i think you asked me a question

2:37:22 so i’ll answer real quick the the issue is is that what if we

2:37:25 are at capacity the the most the capacity

2:37:28 will be is 92 percent right now so um just so that everybody

2:37:31 understands um this doesn’t open for

2:37:35 another year and like four months right there’s plenty of time

2:37:39 to discuss in between now and then

2:37:41 what to do okay the other thing is is that if it opened and it’s

2:37:45 at 92 percent and it started to

2:37:48 increase that still gives us another year to have conversations

2:37:51 for instance not that this is

2:37:53 something that we would want to do but many of our schools have

2:37:56 functioned between 100 to 105 percent

2:37:59 many different times right they have options inside of

2:38:01 classrooms and all of those things

2:38:04 the time period to make those decisions i if we didn’t have hb1

2:38:08 and we weren’t in the throes of

2:38:11 getting ready to do some of the most innovative things i would

2:38:13 say that you are a hundred percent

2:38:15 right and that the capacities are there right that we run into

2:38:19 it but we are going to be reimagining

2:38:22 all of them we are going to be reimagining mcnair kennedy all of

2:38:26 it we may be talking k-8s in some

2:38:28 places and everything else and we have at the bare minimum two

2:38:33 years before it’s a crisis situation so

2:38:35 the issue is is that i truly believe that we have that as a as

2:38:40 an option of um when you’re asking me

2:38:44 but i wanted to clarify it’s not so much just about losing them

2:38:48 it’s about the quality of a parent who has

2:38:51 a kid who goes over two causeways to delora and has a kid at at

2:38:54 the elementary school making that choice

2:38:57 to just stay at the charter you know what i mean like it’s a

2:39:00 quality of respect it’s volunteers

2:39:02 inside the school it’s all the way around having that holistic

2:39:06 component that’s all so i didn’t mean

2:39:08 to kind of go i just thought i’d help alleviate some of those

2:39:11 issues you know what i mean yeah we’re

2:39:12 coming to you yeah no i i appreciate that i i hear what you’re

2:39:15 saying though because i i do think

2:39:18 we have to be of this mindset what does it look like if our if

2:39:20 our student population is reduced by

2:39:22 30 percent with house build one because there are going to be

2:39:24 more competitive options they’re not

2:39:26 there right now i mean they but they will start popping up that’s

2:39:29 a reality so i mean do we want

2:39:31 to build a brand new middle school that we don’t we can’t even

2:39:33 fill it because we’ve lost students or

2:39:35 do we want to attract those students now and keep them there so

2:39:39 i i understand that thought process and

2:39:41 where you’re thinking um you could even take the extra growth

2:39:45 and put it into a k-8 at the elementary

2:39:47 mr susan please stop responding to every single comment do you

2:39:51 you need definitive board direction

2:39:53 today on whether or not we’re including area one two and three

2:39:56 in that boundary for the new middle

2:39:58 school is that correct so some guidance along those lines would

2:40:01 be very helpful because that way i can

2:40:03 prepare for the april 11th agenda item under information and

2:40:07 that the public will understand

2:40:08 where the board is yeah okay um what just hang on let her let

2:40:14 her finish on her no with that being

2:40:17 said i mean honestly if we have to make a decision about this

2:40:19 today i feel like it’s either we’re going

2:40:23 to lose the student or we’re going to put them the student where

2:40:25 the parents are wanting them that is

2:40:26 the reality of what what house bill one now offers um so with

2:40:29 that being said i’m not opposed to taking

2:40:31 one two and three but what i’m saying and i want on the record

2:40:34 is i want us to immediately look at how

2:40:37 are we going to reimagine those other middle schools to make

2:40:40 them viable options that people want to

2:40:43 to continue to stay in thank you okay miss campbell this is you

2:40:47 know one of the frustrating things about

2:40:49 this as i read all these apparent comments as if they were

2:40:52 promises they were promises they were

2:40:53 promises and i would suggest that they shouldn’t have been

2:40:56 promised they were promised it by candidates

2:40:57 or prominence by school board members i’m not just the one you

2:40:59 mentioned they were promised even by

2:41:01 by someone that i ran against down in my district had a fundraiser

2:41:05 built on the promise of a new

2:41:07 middle school those are promises that shouldn’t be met when they’re

2:41:09 decisions made by a whole entire body

2:41:10 i hear what you’re saying mr susan but at the same time you’re

2:41:13 saying it all these people they’ll go

2:41:15 somewhere else i would suggest that they’re already going

2:41:18 somewhere else to to say that if we add them all in

2:41:21 that’s going to create this great shift the people who bought

2:41:24 their houses in that area we didn’t have

2:41:26 a new middle school it wasn’t even on the radar until last year

2:41:30 so they didn’t buy in that area

2:41:32 originally yes but for the last however many years it’s been 20

2:41:35 years they knew they were building that

2:41:37 they were going to area the middle school was either delara or

2:41:40 it was kennedy and now we’re having

2:41:42 this opportunity so it’s not going to be this drastic shift

2:41:45 because we will pull people back because those

2:41:48 families who just don’t want to go over the causeway were

2:41:51 already not doing that they were taking these

2:41:53 other options we’re actually creating an option where we can get

2:41:55 them back so i don’t think there’s

2:41:57 going to be as drastic of a shift i would also suggest just

2:42:00 practically if you haven’t driven around

2:42:02 these areas at certain times of the day including morning times

2:42:05 and dismissal times

2:42:09 i would need transportation to back this up but i would suggest

2:42:13 that from some of the suntree areas

2:42:15 across two causeways to delara wouldn’t take as long as getting

2:42:19 from some of these suntree areas

2:42:21 through melbourne and the viera area to get up here because that

2:42:27 there is there is nasty traffic

2:42:30 on wickham at pretty much any time of the day and it’s only

2:42:33 getting worse um so i i don’t necessarily

2:42:37 think that you know it’s it’s not from some areas yes if they’re

2:42:40 coming from closer to here going across

2:42:42 the causeway i get it but from some of those areas that are

2:42:45 right by the river it it’s not necessarily

2:42:47 an automatic that that’s a shorter transportation issue for

2:42:50 people but i understand that they want to

2:42:53 be here so i i i get that but the the problem for me with that

2:42:56 92 percent and saying that’s worst case

2:42:59 scenario 92 is where we start shutting schools we say you can’t

2:43:03 you can’t choice into this school i mean

2:43:05 but 90 is where we start considering it 90 to 95 and we’re we’re

2:43:12 getting so close we don’t even have

2:43:14 people who can opt in at that point right from the get-go so i

2:43:18 you know like you you’re you’re great

2:43:21 salesman mr susan and you did your job and you convinced two

2:43:23 people to change their mind and to

2:43:25 go on with you and that’s fine it’s the majority of the board we’re

2:43:28 moving there but i just again i

2:43:30 it’s not all is cut and dry and i i i agree with the you know

2:43:34 the options and we’re going to have to

2:43:36 look in the future i i really hate that we’re having all these

2:43:39 topsy-turvy conversation right now

2:43:40 because i think we’re actually throwing bombs of instability and

2:43:45 turmoil out into the world as we’re

2:43:47 having these conversations but you know i let’s i i just think

2:43:52 we need to be reasonable and practical

2:43:54 look future looking in more ways than one not just future

2:43:57 looking at oh oh my gosh we’re going to get

2:43:59 in a tizzy and out of fear we’re making this decision that if we

2:44:01 don’t let all these people zoned into

2:44:03 this school not just choice but zoned into this school we’re

2:44:05 going to lose every single one of them

2:44:07 i don’t think that’s true i don’t like making my decisions based

2:44:10 on fear but i also want to think so

2:44:12 future looking as of future growth future growth we know is

2:44:16 coming unless we have crazy economy crash in

2:44:19 this area which you yourself have said this area is more

2:44:21 protected than others we know we’re going to

2:44:23 have thousands of homes built in this area in the very near

2:44:28 future and we’re not going to have a place

2:44:30 to put all those kids thank you miss campbell i would um i would

2:44:34 say just for the point of record

2:44:35 that during rush hour i live in sun tree and i go to the viera

2:44:40 regional park in seven minutes through

2:44:43 wickham um there’s not an issue for there’s not a there’s not a

2:44:48 same time period of going over the two

2:44:50 causeways um i would i would make that argument point of order

2:44:56 point of order point of order mr susan

2:44:58 being the chairman i am allowed to point of order go ahead miss

2:45:01 jenkins go ahead thank you so much

2:45:03 being the chairman does not give you the right to respond after

2:45:07 every single person speaks

2:45:08 you do not need to red bottle everyone else’s opinions it’s

2:45:12 clear certain people don’t agree with

2:45:13 each other you don’t need a rebuttal every single response but

2:45:16 statements that aren’t true mr susan

2:45:18 point of order point of order thank you i said it before and i’ll

2:45:21 say it again there’s a difference

2:45:23 between between being proactive and reactive yes house bill one

2:45:28 was passed house bill one doesn’t

2:45:31 mean that we’re going to have more kids going to charter schools

2:45:34 it doesn’t change their ability to go

2:45:36 to charter school they already had that ability to go to a

2:45:38 charter school that’s already in viera that

2:45:39 is not different those seats inside of those charter schools in

2:45:43 the viera area will always be filled

2:45:46 so if you think you’re going to attract students out of those

2:45:49 schools into this new middle school

2:45:51 or stop someone from making the choice to go in there there’s

2:45:53 just going to be another student to

2:45:55 fill it they have tremendous wait lists so you’re not stopping

2:45:58 children from going to the charter schools

2:46:00 that are inside of the viera area sure they can use those vouchers

2:46:04 to go to private schools but we only

2:46:06 really have one giant competitive one in the area and again

2:46:10 those seats are filled you’re not going to stop

2:46:13 children from seeking those seats what i am concerned about

2:46:17 which miss campbell touched on already is the

2:46:19 message we’re sending to residents who are zoned for these other

2:46:22 middle schools there is nothing wrong

2:46:25 with our other middle schools so let’s stop perpetuating out

2:46:28 into the community that those schools aren’t good

2:46:30 and that we don’t want to send our kids there and we have to

2:46:33 reimagine them we already have a plan to reimagine

2:46:35 our middle schools just because of in general because of the the

2:46:39 uh develop the developmental age of

2:46:41 middle schoolers and the difficulties and challenges we’re

2:46:43 having with them there already

2:46:44 but we shouldn’t suggest that we need to reimagine these schools

2:46:48 because they’re they’re failing or

2:46:49 because they’re bad and we shouldn’t want kids to be zoned for

2:46:52 them they’re going to flee them to go to

2:46:53 charter schools again these charter schools are filled they have

2:46:57 massive wait lists already you can’t stop that

2:47:01 and health bill one sure comes with 750 for transportation whoop-de-doo

2:47:06 that’s not a lot

2:47:08 of money for somebody who literally cannot get to school so if

2:47:10 if money and transportation is a barrier

2:47:14 that’s not going to change that choice for somebody so again we

2:47:17 need to stop being reactive and we need

2:47:20 to be proactive if you want to have conversations about

2:47:24 including one or two areas that’s a way different

2:47:27 conversation but including all three and starting off at 92

2:47:31 percent that is wildly dangerous and again

2:47:34 you need to consider the staffing of that new school if you open

2:47:38 a brand new school at such a high capacity

2:47:42 and cannot have the qualified educators inside of it that the

2:47:46 parents are expecting you’re also not going to

2:47:49 have happy parents the other thing to consider is with choicing

2:47:53 in it’s scary for parents to hear that for an

2:47:57 elementary school option because you’re not guaranteed to stay

2:48:00 if your kid’s got six years in a school

2:48:02 seven years in a school you’re concerned that they may not be

2:48:06 able to stay from kindergarten to sixth grade

2:48:08 but we’re talking about middle school it’s two years it’s way

2:48:12 less less of a risk to choice your student

2:48:15 into that school you are guaranteed if you’re if you’re a choice

2:48:20 into a school then you unless you

2:48:22 don’t behave or bill or whatever you are guaranteed your seat as

2:48:26 long as you reapply okay i’m sorry well

2:48:29 when when i was working you had to have an iep to keep you in

2:48:32 that school with a mckay scholarship

2:48:34 program so sorry um so anyway my my biggest concern is i’m

2:48:38 concerned about this conversation because

2:48:41 we’re making statements about picking winners and losers and we’re

2:48:44 talking about reimagining

2:48:45 these schools and i i think we’re doing ourselves a disservice

2:48:48 here because these schools are these

2:48:49 schools are wonderful our educators are wonderful our students

2:48:52 are performing in these schools

2:48:53 we need to stick to what we’re talking about and be concerned

2:48:57 whether or not we’re overstaffing this

2:48:59 school or i’m sorry over over stuffing this school with students

2:49:02 and not being able to staff it that

2:49:04 is my my number one concern my number one concern and we have to

2:49:08 remember when we open vr elementary

2:49:11 we have like what 300 kids inside of it yeah i don’t even i

2:49:14 wouldn’t even what it was the percentage

2:49:20 30 percent right um so i mean just remember that right because

2:49:26 we needed to leave the room for growth

2:49:29 and that was significantly lower than what we’re talking about

2:49:32 here with this middle school significantly

2:49:35 lower miss um hand you had mentioned earlier that if we were to

2:49:40 set up a bus one bus to drive some of

2:49:43 the kids from the suntree area to the delora area that may be an

2:49:47 air a way that gives those parents

2:49:49 that want to stay there an option for that that was something

2:49:52 that you guys were looking at yes sir

2:49:54 that was something i asked mr wilson to take a look at now in

2:49:56 the context of we don’t have enough bus

2:49:58 drivers you know it’s it’s a lower priority but certainly that

2:50:01 is something that could come into the mix

2:50:03 as a special consideration when we get to 2024 and the majority

2:50:07 just so everybody understands the majority

2:50:09 because this school is being built the majority of the buses

2:50:12 that were bussing over the causeways many

2:50:15 of them will no longer be needed because of the western piece

2:50:19 that they have and the bus is within two

2:50:21 miles of that school which encumbers meant much of that so i

2:50:24 would say that there’s going to be a

2:50:26 significant reduction so there would be that opportunity so with

2:50:29 that miss miss hand you have your

2:50:30 direction um i appreciate it i i think so so let me just

2:50:34 reiterate where i think we landed so we’re going to

2:50:37 focus on a boundary that includes areas one two and three yes i

2:50:42 would like to continue to talk to the

2:50:45 sun tree community about some of the options that came up today

2:50:49 just to get a little bit more community

2:50:51 data for you um and that’s where we’re going i think i heard a

2:50:56 lot of other you know we’re okay with this

2:51:00 but there are other things that we need to talk about and i

2:51:03 absolutely agree and when you look in the

2:51:06 details in the student accommodation plan this is not the only

2:51:10 area that has stressors in both directions

2:51:13 that ultimately we’ll need to talk about so i think for me when

2:51:17 i get into talking about the student

2:51:19 accommodation plan as the effects of hb1 and school choice

2:51:23 settle i think we’re going to have to stand up

2:51:26 more conversations about our schools based on who is attending

2:51:31 the schools and the enrollment versus

2:51:33 capacity so this is not the only area we will have that

2:51:36 conversation thank you miss hand um i really

2:51:40 appreciate it uh if now you have the final you know what i mean

2:51:45 uh capital planning and um accommodate

2:51:49 sorry sorry sorry okay so student accommodation plan this is

2:51:54 super short i mostly just wanted to give you a

2:51:58 sense of what’s in the document if you’ve not been on the board

2:52:01 uh previously this is a great source of

2:52:04 all sorts of information as miss campbell mentioned like the

2:52:06 from two charts are super engaging and gives

2:52:08 you a good sense of who’s going where from where and so you can

2:52:12 start to see some trends so in the student

2:52:15 accommodation plan there’s enrollment analysis historical and

2:52:20 projected we have charts that show the accuracy of our

2:52:24 projections over time but this really sets the stage for long-term

2:52:28 capacity planning and i i really would

2:52:30 encourage you to look at at the numbers in the student

2:52:33 accommodation plan and it’s not a conversation for

2:52:35 today but i think there will be more conversations about how we

2:52:41 utilize our schools i think the the

2:52:43 discipline conversation is is a great example so the need for

2:52:49 capacity and seats at the alternative learning

2:52:52 centers hinges on decisions that the board makes about

2:52:56 discipline and so as you are working through your

2:52:59 policies and and providing more framework for those types of

2:53:04 decisions that’s going to feed into what we’re

2:53:07 doing at the school level and how we invest our resources for

2:53:12 school capacity

2:53:13 so we also have the five-year work program you see that in october

2:53:18 in the fall and it it kind of mirrors the

2:53:20 student accommodation plan and then karen is working on updating

2:53:24 our educational plant survey that’s a required

2:53:27 department of education document that we have to do every five

2:53:29 years and our update is due in june

2:53:32 so it’s a it’s a lot of statistics and such but you’ll see that

2:53:36 probably sometime in may and then

2:53:39 there’s a lot of data in the student accommodation plan that you

2:53:43 might find interesting so one of the

2:53:45 things that we touch on is our portable moves and we do have we

2:53:49 have one suggested portable move to pinewood

2:53:54 that we’re going to be pursuing and this gets a little odd in

2:53:57 that our our capital plan comes to

2:54:02 you in the next few months the capital money doesn’t come in

2:54:06 until december but we actually need to move

2:54:08 the portable like start moving now so it’s in the student

2:54:11 accommodation plan as a potential project

2:54:14 working with dr webley and dr schiller on what we’re doing with

2:54:18 our alternative learning centers and

2:54:20 whether or not we need to make some additional portable moves in

2:54:23 that direction or not we also talk about

2:54:27 program accommodation our career and technical education

2:54:30 typically we do you know there’s some

2:54:32 different projects and such that we’re doing in support of

2:54:35 programs in cte and and other areas of

2:54:38 education and then the student accommodation plan also touches

2:54:41 on new capacity that we’ll be providing so

2:54:44 what we’re doing at the middle school the beer high school

2:54:47 addition southlake elementary

2:54:49 west melbourne the project that we’re doing for a new classroom

2:54:53 edition

2:54:54 we’re doing our analysis at myla so all of those things are

2:54:58 mentioned and noted in our student

2:55:00 accommodation plan but we also have a lot of data and i’m going

2:55:04 to show you a couple charts that just

2:55:07 kind of give you a snapshot of the types of information that’s

2:55:11 included in our student accommodation

2:55:12 plan and karen’s really done a great job kind of parsing down

2:55:15 different data sources to give us these

2:55:17 trends these two charts uh the one on the left is the the family

2:55:22 empowerment scholarship usage by grade

2:55:25 and time frame and then the one on the right is really the one

2:55:28 that that i’d want to highlight for

2:55:30 you this is our charter school use over time and so i think the

2:55:36 the top of the the page in blue

2:55:39 is school year 2014 2015 and the bottom chart is school year 22

2:55:47 23 and what you can see from that

2:55:50 trend is that charter school enrollment at the lower grades is

2:55:55 growing significantly

2:55:57 and what’s keeping us in sort of an aggregate of 10 11 12

2:56:02 percent is the fact that there’s not high

2:56:04 school capacity but it’s it’s pretty obvious that you know

2:56:08 charter schools are here and competing and

2:56:11 doing very well and so the growth at the the lower grades is

2:56:15 increasing over time and that has lots of

2:56:18 implications i worry about that relative our to our sales surtax

2:56:21 revenue we share with the charter schools

2:56:23 and so it affects capital planning as the legislation regarding

2:56:28 the capital share i don’t know where that

2:56:31 is today but if we are sharing capital resources with charter

2:56:35 schools these numbers will affect our

2:56:38 our capital revenues as well so this is a great source of data

2:56:43 that you can use to inform a variety of

2:56:46 decisions including the ones that we’ve just been talking about

2:56:49 i also wanted to show you some new maps that karen generated

2:56:53 these are kind of heat maps as to where students are coming from

2:56:57 and you can see the difference between 20 19 20 and 22 23 so

2:57:02 like i said she does a great job

2:57:04 kind of keeping track of the different data sources that we have

2:57:08 and providing

2:57:10 charts and graphs in ways that will help you make good decisions

2:57:14 so this is really it on the student accommodation plan just a

2:57:19 quick summary of

2:57:20 what’s in the document and this will be on your school board

2:57:25 agenda for approval on april the 11th so

2:57:28 if you read through it you have any questions or comments or

2:57:31 anything please let us know and we’ll be

2:57:33 happy to work with you on it and if you’d like a detailed tour i

2:57:36 can i can do that for you as well

2:57:39 and so if there are questions i’ll answer them or i can move on

2:57:41 to capital

2:57:42 i love the charts i love the dynamic way you looked at it thank

2:57:48 you i think if no

2:57:50 other buddy wants any discussion we can move on to um uh capital

2:57:54 thank you and just as an fyi you

2:57:57 have 33 minutes before you have 33 minutes you have 33 minutes

2:58:02 prior to it sort of ending you know what

2:58:04 i mean before i start getting hooked from campbell over here for

2:58:08 too long of a meeting thank you so

2:58:10 i’m going to finish this up in 15. maybe less okay so we talk

2:58:15 about capital i i think some of you have

2:58:18 seen a couple of these slides before but starting with why in

2:58:22 facilities we are part of why folks choose

2:58:27 to send their their students to provide public schools and this

2:58:30 was part of the earlier conversation

2:58:32 it is a component of what you know decisions people make about

2:58:36 sending their children to our schools

2:58:38 and so we take facilities very seriously and there’s some data

2:58:44 behind the idea of the facilities matter

2:58:47 right the air conditioning matters the lawn matters the paint

2:58:50 matters and the next few slides just give you

2:58:53 some research it’s 10-ish years old but it’s pretty good you

2:58:57 know source data and so if you’re interested

2:58:59 in this data i wanted to give you these slides so you had access

2:59:02 to it but it shows that students in

2:59:04 deteriorating buildings perform less successfully than students

2:59:08 in new buildings like it’s it’s a it is a

2:59:12 something that we need to recognize in our district when we’re

2:59:16 dealing with 60 year old schools

2:59:19 and so similarly in teacher retention and recruitment same type

2:59:25 of theme and you know you can kind of

2:59:27 make sense of that anecdotally you know we’re we’re in a 30

2:59:30 something year old building here

2:59:32 and some days it’s not the greatest you know so and then on the

2:59:37 technology side i wanted you to have this

2:59:39 this data as well you know certainly moving into a more digital

2:59:44 world and so from a historical perspective

2:59:49 i wanted to just kind of set the the stage for where we are

2:59:53 today with capital because we’re doing

2:59:56 reasonably well with our capital revenues today but back in 2009

3:00:00 we had a very significant decline in our

3:00:03 property values which significantly impacted our capital

3:00:08 revenues to the point where we really almost had

3:00:11 nothing for capital investment and this was before the sales surtax

3:00:16 was enacted by the voters and so we had a huge hole

3:00:20 and this graph is not like you know down to the nearest dollar

3:00:25 but it kind of shows you the capital revenue over time

3:00:29 and the purple line on the bottom is our annual debt service at

3:00:33 about 38 million that fluctuates a little bit

3:00:37 but you can see in 2012 and 2013 where the the bottom of the you

3:00:41 know where the capital revenue was was

3:00:43 right about the same point as where the debt service is located

3:00:47 and so there’s a pretty big hole

3:00:49 that we’ve been trying to climb out of ever since the sales tax

3:00:54 was enacted in 2014 so you know we have

3:00:58 a hundred and i don’t know 70 million dollars or so in air

3:01:00 conditioning investments like we needed to do that

3:01:03 because we had no capital investment to speak of and we were

3:01:07 constrained on the maintenance side as well

3:01:09 and we’re still digging out of that hole and i say that because

3:01:14 we’ve just recently in the last year

3:01:17 started investing in athletics that has been something that we’ve

3:01:21 not been able to do and literally last

3:01:24 year was kind of the first time we we kind of made a big push to

3:01:28 do some investment in athletics and i

3:01:30 wanted to show this graph so that you kind of understood why we

3:01:35 were there and and excited to be

3:01:38 moving out of that phase now the turquoise line is the

3:01:42 maintenance best practice line at about 60 million

3:01:46 that’s based on our percentage of our we’ve got about two

3:01:50 billion dollars in assets and because ours are

3:01:54 getting so or they’re aging you know more is probably better but

3:01:59 this kind of just gives you the the

3:02:01 framework for the capital discussion so now i’m going to talk

3:02:04 about pi and this is a slide from cindy’s

3:02:08 presentation last year about budget and just kind of gives you

3:02:12 the the framework that we start with and so

3:02:14 the expected revenue was about 90 million we took the debt

3:02:19 service off the top we take off the transfer to

3:02:21 maintenance transfer for property insurance and then we had

3:02:24 about 35 million dollars left to program

3:02:27 in capital and we really do a good job of distributing capital

3:02:32 resources across different needs in the

3:02:35 district so we have investments in educational technology we

3:02:38 work with leading and learning on their

3:02:40 mostly ff e needs and some program needs and secondary we

3:02:44 support procurement and distribution services they need

3:02:48 warehouse trucks and equipment transportation that is primarily

3:02:52 school buses and then the rest of that

3:02:54 is in facilities and we work through the process with kind of a

3:03:02 cross-functional team so finance

3:03:05 educational technology operations and facilities we work

3:03:10 together to try to

3:03:12 come up with the the best match of the money to the the needs

3:03:15 that we have so this graph shows you the

3:03:19 off the top chart for debt service we take about 38 million and

3:03:24 where this cliff occurs in 2033 that’s

3:03:27 where a lot of our debt is retired so things will change in 2033

3:03:33 but this is about where we are now with a

3:03:36 relatively level debt service at 38 million a year our property

3:03:40 insurance is about six million a year

3:03:42 and that is expected to go up and our maintenance and operations

3:03:45 is certainly going up as well

3:03:47 and then we’ve been working together with operations and miss

3:03:51 lisinski on funding for the white fleet and

3:03:54 trying to to do a little better job of our white fleet

3:03:57 replacement at about five percent of the stock per year

3:04:00 and then again whether the the charter share is going to affect

3:04:04 our revenue

3:04:05 and so every year we have kind of a slate of annual investments

3:04:11 and this is a pretty

3:04:12 comprehensive list of the things that you see every year in the

3:04:15 capital program

3:04:16 and those are standard ff and e for elementary and secondary and

3:04:21 student services we have the school

3:04:23 initiated projects match program school bus replacement

3:04:27 technology facility renewal so that’s

3:04:29 pretty standard normal stuff we do every year and then these are

3:04:34 some of the projects that we started

3:04:36 over the last year or two and they will likely be continuing in

3:04:40 the upcoming year so you will see

3:04:42 these projects as well when you see your capital proposal in in

3:04:48 april and we’ll be finishing up the

3:04:51 high school track renewal and rubberization we probably will

3:04:54 propose some elementary pavilions

3:04:57 that’s been a a big need that our schools have been talking to

3:05:00 us about for several years

3:05:01 we’re continuing our investment in playground resurfacing

3:05:06 getting rid of mulch and using rubberized

3:05:08 tiles i think the schools really like that and we like it from a

3:05:11 maintenance and safety

3:05:12 perspective as well we are doing student restroom renovation and

3:05:17 student locker room renovations

3:05:19 and if you’ve seen some of the before and after pictures it’s

3:05:22 pretty amazing how much better they

3:05:25 look after we’re completed with our project and then we’ve been

3:05:29 talking with our athletic customers and

3:05:32 they have a lot of needs and we are working towards trying to

3:05:38 meet some of those needs and the ones that are in red

3:05:42 are the ones that i think are most likely that you will see i’ll

3:05:45 be putting this together over the next

3:05:48 couple of days and we’ll certainly be going through the

3:05:51 committee process but i wanted you to to see

3:05:53 the framework of what you what what’s kind of in the mix and

3:05:58 what will likely be included in the mix

3:06:02 and of course middle school tracks are something that is is

3:06:05 becoming important there’s now middle school

3:06:08 athletics and we have some middle schools that don’t have tracks

3:06:11 we have a few high schools that don’t

3:06:14 have tracks so there’s there’s that as well and then we have a

3:06:17 few maintenance-ish items that are pretty

3:06:20 expensive and those are some pool deck renewal we have sound

3:06:24 panels in some of our gyms that are literally

3:06:26 falling down those to me are a safety issue so you’re going to

3:06:30 start see those as prioritized

3:06:32 our scoreboards and sound systems plan ops and maintenance has

3:06:35 been trying to do that kind of

3:06:36 through their maintenance budget and we’re just not as

3:06:39 successful as we need to be there

3:06:41 so we’re probably going to be putting up proposing a project to

3:06:45 do a little better job similarly football

3:06:48 goal posts you know we get the hey the goal post doesn’t look

3:06:52 quite right kind of conversation so

3:06:55 we think we’re going to be a little bit more proactive we have

3:06:59 continuing sewer issues at both satellite

3:07:03 and ogalley with their stadiums and we need to we need to deal

3:07:07 with that so we’re not sure what the problem

3:07:09 is but that’s something that i think you will likely see in the

3:07:14 in the capital plan and then we have two

3:07:17 more tracks to rubberize and we will be done with that project

3:07:20 so and then i just want to highlight

3:07:24 too that as i mentioned earlier we really hadn’t done much in

3:07:28 athletics and over the last year or two

3:07:30 we’ve done quite a bit more so these are some of the highlights

3:07:33 of what we have accomplished with our

3:07:35 capital plan and i think our athletic programs are benefiting

3:07:39 from the work that we have done and

3:07:41 we’d like to do more we all are a little bit about

3:07:45 sustainability need to just bring up that word

3:07:48 because we we continually have that push-pull between things

3:07:55 that we have and things that we

3:07:58 would like to have and the more we add to the would like to have

3:08:01 bucket the more we have to maintain and

3:08:03 we’re we’re not collectively growing our maintenance function so

3:08:06 and this applies to not just facilities

3:08:09 but security assets to educational technology assets everything

3:08:13 we add that we don’t have today we have

3:08:16 a maintenance responsibility for the future so we think about

3:08:20 that and i i feel a responsibility to make

3:08:24 sure that i bring this up when i talk to the board about capital

3:08:26 we have been doing really well with

3:08:29 partnerships with the county and municipalities and you’ll

3:08:32 probably see some more of those coming up

3:08:34 and then just the school fundraising we especially at the high

3:08:39 school level there’s a lot of

3:08:41 differences as you all have seen in past discussions between

3:08:44 what high schools can raise for

3:08:46 athletics and other assets in their district or in their their

3:08:50 school and then those also become

3:08:52 maintenance responsibilities which i’m finding a few you know 30

3:08:56 years later

3:08:58 things that maybe need to be addressed that were built you know

3:09:01 by others that might need a

3:09:04 a little bit of work because they’re used by the school for a

3:09:07 purpose and they’re not

3:09:08 functional or not safe so we’re starting to look at those as

3:09:12 well

3:09:13 we talked about sustainability also in in our operating budget

3:09:18 and probably the same with

3:09:20 others and operations that the skill set that we have in our

3:09:25 trades is a traditional skill set

3:09:27 and as we add more technology like our chillers become more

3:09:30 advanced our intercom systems become more

3:09:32 advanced our electronics become more advanced we are going to

3:09:36 need to change the skill sets that

3:09:39 we need to maintain these assets it’s going to be different in

3:09:42 the future and that’s something that we

3:09:45 kind of keep on the middle burner in terms of awareness and

3:09:49 looking at evolving our job descriptions and

3:09:50 potentially our pay scales to keep up with the needs of

3:09:54 maintaining the assets that we’re acquiring

3:09:57 and then again just several more things that we’ve been talking

3:10:03 about and looking at and that you

3:10:06 might see in the capital plan you know we talked about alc and

3:10:09 gardendale i will tell you that outdoor

3:10:12 basketball courts and goal posts basketball goals in this

3:10:16 district need some need some love

3:10:19 and so i would like to try to show them some love so you might

3:10:23 see that in the capital plan

3:10:25 as i mentioned several schools do not have tracks and several

3:10:29 schools do not have something so

3:10:31 especially at the high school level if you talk to any high

3:10:34 school they will tell you we don’t have

3:10:37 something and because we are doing assessments we kind of have a

3:10:41 sense of who has what and who doesn’t have what

3:10:43 um we have uh auditorium performing arts center situations where

3:10:50 some schools have them some schools

3:10:52 don’t a lot of schools are asking for more parking um and then

3:10:56 just the standard you know casework type

3:10:59 things that we’re doing some with sales tax flooring we had a

3:11:03 great investment in flooring and esser made

3:11:05 a huge difference so all of these things kind of work together

3:11:08 and we try to strategize among the

3:11:11 different pots of money so that we can optimize how that that

3:11:14 money is invested so so anyway i just

3:11:17 wanted to kind of give you a sense of what you might be seeing

3:11:21 and also mention that when you see

3:11:22 the facilities capital renewal it’s been about 6.3 ish million

3:11:27 every year and i cover from that when

3:11:31 maintenance runs out of money and i also cover random events and

3:11:35 we’ve had quite a few random events

3:11:37 coming this year that just you know things catch on fire we’ve

3:11:42 had an enormous enormous cost in renting

3:11:45 chillers this year to the point where we could have bought some

3:11:48 chillers like it’s it is it is

3:11:51 it’s not i don’t think a fixable problem but it is something

3:11:56 that we need to be aware of

3:11:58 because when a school is out of air conditioning we have no

3:12:02 choice but to figure out how to get cool air in

3:12:04 the school and it’s very very expensive um to rent those chillers

3:12:08 and the you know if you look at the

3:12:10 um the construction proposals there sometimes chillers are like

3:12:15 a year and a half out and so if the

3:12:16 chillers down um that’s a problem now we’re doing better we have

3:12:21 done really well with redundancy at

3:12:24 some of our schools as we’re doing chiller projects we’re trying

3:12:27 to build in redundancy and that’s working

3:12:30 pretty well but we’re one or two chillers away from a major

3:12:34 expense so uh with that i just you know we

3:12:39 try to be strategic and we’ll appreciate conversation with the

3:12:43 board when we bring the capital plan to

3:12:45 you we’re moving and i think cindy’s group is moving towards

3:12:49 more multi-year capital and operating planning

3:12:52 so that we have a better sense of where we’re going um having a

3:12:56 little bit of a mix of renewal and new

3:12:59 assets and we in facilities i’m i’m very proud of what we’ve

3:13:03 done in terms of data we have far far

3:13:05 better data than we had five six years ago and so we’re really

3:13:08 making good decisions with data

3:13:11 and i just have to say too from just a staff perspective

3:13:15 collaborating with my colleagues on

3:13:17 capital investment is a pleasant experience like we we work

3:13:21 together and we try to make sure we deliver

3:13:24 the best value for our students and so i’m really really proud

3:13:28 of that and then as i said our our

3:13:32 capital allocation committee we’re meeting next week and we i

3:13:35 believe cindy’s planning to bring a

3:13:36 recommendation to the board on the 11th we incorporate that into

3:13:40 the fiscal year 24 budget

3:13:42 and our funding arise in december and we get going and mr susan

3:13:46 that is the end thank you miss sue and

3:13:48 you did it in 15 minutes really remarkably um thank you so much

3:13:53 um i’ll let the other board members go

3:13:55 but i did want to mention to the board members ms campbell had

3:13:57 sent us an email and concerns with one

3:13:59 of the school one of the meetings i’d like to address here in a

3:14:02 couple of minutes so if we can take five

3:14:04 minutes at the end um but i’ll let you guys all make your

3:14:06 comments and i’ll make lines and uh anybody

3:14:08 want to wish to speak ahead no no i just i just want to say

3:14:13 thank you sue um i don’t think we praise

3:14:16 our staff enough and uh you are beyond a wealth of knowledge it’s

3:14:21 incredible uh the scope that your job

3:14:24 has as well as your staff again i know you’re not a one-woman

3:14:27 show as well as everyone else sitting

3:14:29 here sorry not trying to trying to say you’re not important

3:14:31 either um but it’s man when you put these

3:14:33 presentations on it’s just it’s so impressive and i’m glad the

3:14:36 community gets to see the depth

3:14:38 of your work and and and how much um goes into consideration

3:14:41 every single day that you do your

3:14:43 job i don’t know how you turn your brain off at night when you’re

3:14:45 constantly pre-planning for the next

3:14:47 three to five years but i appreciate you so so very much thank

3:14:50 you thank you ms jekins ms campbell

3:14:54 i’m going to add minus is that you know big big task i i

3:14:56 especially just want to appreciate and

3:14:58 highlight slide seven which was the graph with the the dip

3:15:01 because i think that was just so important

3:15:04 for you know that kind of information was going around when we

3:15:07 were having the sales tax

3:15:08 conversations especially in 2014 the first round and and even

3:15:11 some in the second round but that

3:15:13 that’s why we are where we are where we are and we can’t reduce

3:15:15 our debt payment we reduced it

3:15:17 you know by refinancing as much as we can and i will be so happy

3:15:20 and i won’t be on the board then

3:15:22 when we can get to like the debt’s gone right and i’m i’m proud

3:15:26 of this board for continuing to commit

3:15:28 to build debt-free because we still have that 300 million

3:15:31 dollars hanging over our head

3:15:33 but i that that graph was so important to explain why weren’t we

3:15:37 fixing air conditionings during that

3:15:38 three to four year period we were literally just surviving and

3:15:41 thankful these fires and chiller breaks

3:15:44 didn’t happen at that time but some of the reasons why we’re

3:15:46 having the chiller breaks now is because

3:15:48 we weren’t able to maintain them so it’s really important

3:15:51 information um and i appreciate too the way

3:15:54 the staff and the contractors you guys work at because every

3:15:57 time we do a and there may be a little

3:15:59 wiggle room budgeted into the projects but i love seeing when we

3:16:02 have a sign off that said oh we

3:16:04 budgeted this much but it only cost this much so that’s sixty

3:16:07 thousand dollars it gets back into

3:16:08 the capital budget which i know you have a plan for once we get

3:16:11 it back for fires and lockers and and

3:16:15 things like that so um thank you this is very important

3:16:18 information and i hope that the community

3:16:21 paid attention this long to get to see this important

3:16:24 information thank you ms campbell i i’m gonna echo

3:16:29 the sentiments of my fellow members we appreciate you i mean

3:16:31 honestly you are above and beyond your

3:16:33 team is amazing and very informative you were one of the very

3:16:36 first people that i got to sit down with

3:16:38 and meet with and i walked away and i thought i am so encouraged

3:16:40 by the wealth of knowledge that you

3:16:42 have when it comes to to all things facilities really so i

3:16:46 appreciate you um and thank you for

3:16:48 giving us this presentation thank you miss sue i just wanted to

3:16:51 mention um everybody i think one of the

3:16:53 dynamic oh did you have something well go ahead i’m just gonna i’m

3:16:56 sorry i looked over and i thought you didn’t go ahead

3:16:58 go ahead go ahead i’m sorry again thank you but more than that

3:17:02 it gives us the uh background knowledge

3:17:06 when we visit our schools you know of of what’s going to be

3:17:10 taken care of it it it solves the the

3:17:12 problem of us saying i don’t know i’ll look into that to just

3:17:16 say no it’s on the list and we can get

3:17:19 you some more information that it just lets us uh tell our

3:17:21 schools that you know we haven’t forgotten

3:17:23 about you you know it’s just things take time and and we are

3:17:27 going to be able to spend more of our

3:17:30 efforts towards the fixing up of things because that’s where we

3:17:33 hear a lot of our concerns is wait

3:17:35 wait you forgot about us you know and when this just tells us no

3:17:38 we have not you know so thank you for

3:17:40 all this yeah so i just want to say thank you so much miss hand

3:17:44 um a couple of things that i saw were

3:17:46 some of the projects that we’ve known about forever that we’re

3:17:49 needing to get to that you have on your list

3:17:51 that we’re trying to put this together so i think within the

3:17:53 next six months we’ll probably put

3:17:55 something together in that scope of when these come on and one

3:17:58 three five year kind of idea um one of

3:18:01 the things i wanted to say is is just to put on the radar of

3:18:04 some of the board members and some of the

3:18:06 newly elected ones is that the pools inside of our school

3:18:09 district are a difficult situation um i have

3:18:12 this one individual that’s in south south part of the county

3:18:15 that does pool training and he pointed out

3:18:17 a great point is is that he feels that if we sat down with the

3:18:22 county with the um what is the what

3:18:24 is the name of that workout place that they have um that has a

3:18:27 pool inside of every one of them he

3:18:29 is it la fitness la fitness has a pool and they already train he

3:18:34 trains them as a private individual

3:18:36 but he said they might be open to letting us use that um but i

3:18:39 think that there’s an opportunity for

3:18:41 us to sit down and collaboratively discuss with many of our

3:18:44 other entities both the cities and counties

3:18:46 on a one three five year plan for many of our things that we

3:18:49 might be able to collaborate on to

3:18:51 include the pools would be the number one because they can’t get

3:18:54 there but we’re already spending so

3:18:57 much money to maintain these things that there might be an

3:18:59 opportunity to say hey this is how much it

3:19:01 might cost this is how much we’re spending just as a thought

3:19:04 process for review um and then do that in

3:19:06 other areas so thank you because i know we have talked about

3:19:09 doing that and stuff like that the

3:19:10 other thing is is i want to say thank you for the beach

3:19:12 volleyball that is the coolest thing in the

3:19:14 world if you guys don’t haven’t had a chance to get to any of

3:19:16 those competitions it’s the first year

3:19:18 and we’re you know what i mean it’s it’s some cool stuff going

3:19:21 on um and that’s it i just wanted to

3:19:22 say thank you so much thank you all thank you so in in regards

3:19:26 uh miss campbell um was concerned about

3:19:28 and i looked at it and it’s a legitimate concern on the 24th we

3:19:32 have like literally monday through

3:19:34 friday meetings every day right and i think that that was placed

3:19:37 there as a are we all available

3:19:40 and we’re like oh yeah we’ll be available but we didn’t have on

3:19:43 the other stuff so miss campbell if

3:19:44 you wanted to uh kind of mention where your concerns were so

3:19:47 that we can address them so the week of

3:19:49 that of april 24th if you want to look at your calendars we have

3:19:52 scheduled now a nine to five

3:19:54 workshop like we had last monday we have our regular board

3:19:57 meeting day on the 25th which starts

3:19:59 whenever it’s going to start and with whatever extra weeks might

3:20:02 be added we don’t have something

3:20:03 on wednesday we don’t but i have sciac on wednesday the 25th the

3:20:08 26th uh the 27th and 28th

3:20:10 we’ll be doing all day superintendent uh interviews and listen i

3:20:13 don’t have another job this is my only

3:20:16 job um but i can’t imagine you know i honestly my my biggest

3:20:19 concern is i’m not sure that we’re going

3:20:21 to have time to do this job um if we have all these back to back

3:20:24 to back to back um so and we

3:20:26 are very most important work that week is the hiring is the

3:20:29 interviews for the new um superintendent so

3:20:32 i would just suggest can we just um take off the 24th and if we

3:20:36 need if we get through these other

3:20:38 all-day things that we’ve scheduled over the next few weeks and

3:20:40 we feel like we still need another one

3:20:42 that we can push that back to may i don’t think there’s anything

3:20:44 so urgent that we got to get it done

3:20:45 that week i think i think the concern is the 24th i think that

3:20:49 we can give tammy an opportunity to send

3:20:51 out another google poll um doodle poll so that we can see about

3:20:54 that i’ll have her add the month of may

3:20:57 and then we’ll go the concern that we have is is that we um many

3:20:59 of the policies we have to go to review

3:21:02 but the good thing is is that many of the policies that we’re

3:21:05 about to come up on have been reviewed and

3:21:07 already updated and they’re not in that crisis type situation so

3:21:11 i think that we’re going to be in a good

3:21:12 place um so i’ll do two things one i’ll ask tammy to add the

3:21:16 month of may and some of the other

3:21:19 opportunities we’ll cancel off that 24th that’s a good point and

3:21:21 then i think the other thing i’ll

3:21:23 do is is have i’ll do an evaluation of how many of the policies

3:21:26 that we’re coming into the next couple

3:21:28 sections are actually not updated within the last five years to

3:21:30 give us an idea of how long because

3:21:31 we may be able to move through it quicker and you make a good

3:21:33 point so i just want to say that

3:21:35 thank you i appreciate that thank you my family thanks you all

3:21:38 right with that i think we have an

3:21:41 opportunity to take a break and i’ll see you guys back at 5 30.

3:21:47 thank you very much

3:22:02 thank you

3:22:11 you

3:22:21 Thank you.