Updates on the Fight for Quality Public Education in Brevard County, FL
0:00 Thank you.
7:29 Members, appreciate your time this afternoon.
7:31 I want to introduce Ms. Molly Vega to you.
7:34 I know many of the board members have worked with her
7:37 extensively.
7:38 At the time of this request, Mrs. Vega was the director that
7:41 oversees Jackson Middle School,
7:43 hence her involvement.
7:46 Just to recap some of the information,
7:49 the materials that I provided to you back in April of 2021,
7:53 a community member made a formal request for the board
7:57 to reconsider the name Andrew Jackson Middle School
8:01 for the school.
8:02 That board member had previously met
8:04 with many of the board members, Dr. Mullins in communication.
8:07 So I formally met with him and he restated his commitment
8:12 for the board to consider a name change.
8:15 According to policy at the time, policy has since changed.
8:20 The request would commence an 18 month period
8:25 of community feedback, gathering of information
8:29 to engage the community in the discussion
8:33 and to determine the will of the community
8:35 and then to be presented to the board.
8:37 In further discussions with Mr. Gibbs,
8:40 it was interpreted that that meant for the board
8:43 to discuss and review and then consider whether the board
8:47 would like to take it to vote or not.
8:49 Mr. Gibbs, how’d I do with that?
8:51 - Perfect. Thank you.
8:53 And so in front of you, you’ll see the attachments
8:56 with all of the relevant information.
8:59 Shortly after the meeting, Mrs. Vega developed a website
9:03 to make all communications transparent.
9:05 We enjoy our website making abilities
9:08 in secondary leading and learning so that everything
9:11 would be posted.
9:12 The requester had an opportunity to provide information
9:15 on his justification.
9:18 And then it went out, communicated extensively
9:21 to the Andrew Jackson community and the surrounding environment
9:24 to be able to submit feedback.
9:26 Also scheduled three formal community meetings
9:30 at the school with a widespread invitation as well
9:34 to participate in person and provide additional feedback.
9:38 And as you can see, those meetings were held
9:40 on November 2, 2021, May 3, 2022, and August 24, 2022.
9:49 After the 18-month period, here we are today
9:52 to present the feedback and information.
9:54 I’ve provided you a summary of the information
9:59 at the three meetings, along with each of the comments
10:03 that were provided on the website by community members,
10:07 sign-in sheets, and other relevant documents pertaining
10:11 to this request from the last 18 months.
10:14 And Ms. Vega and I here for any questions
10:17 that we could answer for you.
10:19 - Board members have questions for Ms. Vega or Dr. Sullivan?
10:24 - All right, so then I guess we need to discuss
10:27 as a board what our desire is for going forward.
10:32 Next step, I wanna talk.
10:34 - I just wanted to make sure, Dr. Sullivan,
10:41 the vote from the public was like 41 against the name change
10:44 and 13 or something for it.
10:47 - Yeah, I’ll restate it, especially for our public
10:49 that may not have the documents in front of them.
10:53 In the first meeting, there were four individuals
10:56 who attended, one participant was in favor
11:00 and three were against it.
11:02 In the second meeting, six individuals were in attendance,
11:06 all six spoke.
11:08 One supported the name change and five disagreed.
11:12 On the third meeting, two individuals attend the meeting,
11:15 one was in favor and one was against.
11:18 The website, that was also up for 18 months
11:21 and publicly advertised, received 27 comments
11:25 in favor of the name change and 42 against,
11:29 with two comments I interpreted as neutral.
11:31 - Thank you.
11:38 - I don’t have, it looks like it could be,
11:47 which is a very small number of people coming out,
11:50 quite frankly, in our community.
11:51 Unfortunately, are not in favor of it.
11:56 But I’m wondering, and I don’t know if this is the right place,
11:58 Mr. Gibbs or not, but you can tell me.
12:00 I know you would.
12:01 If we as a board might want to relook at our naming policy
12:06 of schools, to maybe not name schools after people.
12:11 But like we, we might think of a new policy,
12:17 just to throw that out there.
12:19 So in the future, we don’t run into this dilemma
12:23 where we think somebody had a really great history
12:26 and then things come to light and not so much.
12:28 So I’m just thinking out loud that in the future,
12:32 we may want to look at that policy.
12:35 I would like to mention that 7250 was rewritten
12:40 with the board within the midst of this process.
12:44 - Dr. Sullivan, some of those people were duplicated, right,
12:52 between meetings, as far as people who spoke.
12:56 I would suggest there’s likely duplication in the online as well,
13:01 of course, because– - Right, there’s a possibility.
13:02 Right.
13:03 Well, that’s fair.
13:03 I mean, you know, we didn’t ask people to register their name
13:07 or use an individual IP address.
13:09 We’re doing this, you know, honor system.
13:11 I agree.
13:13 I don’t know that I would consider any of that a vote,
13:15 but just a general, you know.
13:19 I am, too, also disappointed that it didn’t have more people
13:24 participate in the process,
13:25 especially considering how long it was.
13:27 But I don’t feel like we have a clear directive from the
13:31 community.
13:32 I know, actually, you know, Duval County, Jacksonville,
13:38 just did a renaming of several of their schools a couple of
13:41 years ago.
13:42 And I talked to Elizabeth Anderson at their retreat,
13:45 the FSBA board of directors retreat last week,
13:47 to ask her some questions about how they had done with the
13:49 process.
13:49 The difference, and, of course, they’re larger than we are.
13:51 One of the differences between the way they did that,
13:54 they do their process and ours,
13:56 is they actually do a, like, a formal vote.
14:00 They have their community come and vote as part of that.
14:02 And this time, because they were looking at nine schools to
14:06 rename,
14:08 they actually involved their supervisor elections
14:10 to make it even more formal.
14:13 And, you know, I think I spoke with you guys before about this.
14:15 Andrew Jackson was one of the schools that the community spoke
14:18 very clearly.
14:18 They did not, they changed all their Confederate-named schools,
14:21 but they, Andrew Jackson, and then one that was named after an
14:23 explorer,
14:23 they left.
14:26 But I was just asking her about the process.
14:27 And, you know, they, same thing here.
14:28 They did not, they did not have a very clear thing.
14:31 So I just, I don’t know that we have enough that we would need
14:33 to move forward with this request for, you know, the way I’m
14:38 looking at it.
14:41 Can I follow that?
14:42 I think we have a pretty good policy where individuals who want
14:45 to change
14:46 the name of a school can petition and everything else currently.
14:48 That’s what we wrote before.
14:50 I think that if somebody was wanting to rename it,
14:53 they could go through that policy that we have.
14:55 Does that make sense to you?
14:57 So that’s all.
14:57 I just wanted to make sure the public knew that it’s not that
15:00 this policy shut it all off.
15:02 It’s just a more inline purpose policy that we wrote and all
15:05 agreed to a couple months ago.
15:07 So if they wish to rename it, they can go down that line.
15:10 That’s all.
15:11 So if they want to go down that line, they can go down that line.
15:22 So it sounds like the board is not going to take any action on
15:27 this at this time.
15:28 So this was under the old policy.
15:33 So is it– I think it’s like eight– did we decide on eight
15:36 years before it can be reconsidered?
15:39 And is that–
15:40 - Off the top of my head, I don’t remember.
15:42 - So it would– but would the new policy apply to reconsideration
15:48 of this request?
15:49 Or would this request fall under the old policy since–
15:52 - The request was put through the old procedure.
15:57 - The new policy is the new policy.
15:59 So moving forward, that’s where we are.
16:01 We analyzed it under the old because that’s what was in place
16:04 when it started.
16:06 So we didn’t say we’re stopping it because the new policy says
16:10 you got to have so many signatures
16:11 to get it analyzed.
16:14 I would have to go back and review the old policy to determine
16:18 if it were eight years.
16:20 - Okay.
16:21 But it would be– there would be a period of time–
16:25 - If it’s in that policy since it came under that policy and was
16:28 challenged under that,
16:29 then that would be the applicable.
16:31 - Okay.
16:32 - The old policy does not have a time span.
16:36 So what you’re asking is if someone comes and does what Mr.
16:42 Susan just suggested is rather
16:44 than asking us to reconsider the name– has a new name and say,
16:48 “Hey, I want to rename Andrew
16:50 Jackson Middle School such and such a name,” then are we limited
16:54 by the time frame?
16:54 But we didn’t have the time frame in it, so–
16:57 - Yeah, if there’s no time frame then it would be–
16:59 - Then it would just– any future request would fall under the
17:01 way we wrote it.
17:01 - Yeah, the current policy.
17:03 So if they want to challenge now, they’d have to use our current
17:05 policy.
17:06 - Oh, they would have to use the current policy.
17:10 - Yeah, if they want to– if a new person wants to– if the
17:12 community– if there’s more
17:14 support moving forward for the name change, they would have to
17:17 follow the new policy, not
17:18 the old one.
17:19 - But they wouldn’t be prohibited from– like, say, the board
17:22 decides today we’re not going
17:22 to do anything on this.
17:24 They could, under the new policy, go ahead and start that
17:27 process.
17:28 - They could, yeah.
17:29 As long as there was not a bar.
17:30 And Dr. Sullivan said there wasn’t in the old one.
17:32 And so if there’s no bar, they can move forward with attempting
17:36 to get the signatures needed
17:37 under the new policy.
17:38 - Okay.
17:42 So I’ll be honest with you guys.
17:44 I, you know, I’m– I lean toward what Ms. McDougall said.
17:48 And that is that we probably just need to move away from schools
17:52 named after people.
17:52 Because people are fallible, right?
17:54 And there’s– there’s all kinds of ways that we can find that
17:56 there are issues.
17:57 And I do think, you know, I think that there were some really
18:02 good points made in justification
18:04 of changing the name of the school.
18:06 I do think that there are some very concerning things in the
18:10 history that make it questionable
18:12 as to whether or not we should be celebrating this individual
18:14 with the school being named
18:15 after them.
18:16 But at the same time, I think it’s clear that we don’t have– we
18:23 don’t have significant
18:23 input or board support to move forward with changing a name.
18:27 So I would just say to those community members that feel
18:29 passionate about this, the opportunity
18:32 is still there to try to get more input and move this forward if
18:36 it’s something of significant
18:37 concern.
18:38 So.
18:39 Can I just say, so I hear you on not naming it after a person.
18:47 I think, correct me if I’m wrong, it may not be this policy, it
18:49 may be a different one
18:50 when it has to do in naming, but isn’t there a caveat where not
18:53 to name it after somebody
18:55 who’s still living as well to try and avoid it?
18:58 I mean, I know, I know this didn’t happen then either, but to
19:01 try and avoid that as much
19:03 as possible.
19:04 Yeah.
19:05 Yeah, absolutely.
19:06 Ms. Balfour, just for clarification, and I’ll let the petitioner
19:10 know the outcome.
19:11 And certainly let the petitioner know the new policy if they
19:14 have any interest in pursuing
19:16 that.
19:17 Super.
19:18 Thank you.
19:19 Five years under the new one.
19:21 Under the new one.
19:22 Okay.
19:23 All right.
19:24 Anything else on that topic?
19:25 Thank you, Dr. Sullivan and Ms. Vega.
19:27 We appreciate you.
19:29 The next topic is the proposed attendance boundary change,
19:32 Southwest Middle to Stone Magnet Middle.
19:34 Sue Han, Assistant Superintendent of Facilities, will be
19:36 presenting.
19:36 Ms. Han.
19:37 Good afternoon, everyone.
19:41 Just very briefly, this came up after we had our previous
19:45 workshop and discussed a few
19:46 cleanup boundary changes in the Vieira area.
19:48 This is an area that is in far south Pervard.
19:52 It’s kind of on the north side of Barefoot Bay, and it’s right
19:55 on the boundary between Stone
19:57 and Southwest.
19:58 We realized that there were some homes built within this red
20:02 rectangle.
20:04 This is the first part of a very large subdivision called
20:09 Crystal Bay.
20:11 The remainder of the subdivision is to the north of that red box
20:15 in the boundary for Stone.
20:19 We looked at potentially trying to change the boundaries for
20:23 this section of the community.
20:26 You can see the line as it stands now cuts right through lots,
20:30 and so we need to adjust
20:31 the boundary.
20:33 There is one entrance to this subdivision.
20:35 Where it stands right now is that there are homes under
20:39 construction within the red box area,
20:41 and so we wanted to get ahead of this before another year went
20:44 by.
20:44 So our goal is to really catch up to the process that we have
20:48 underway for the cleanup changes
20:51 in the Vieira area.
20:52 There are seven students within the red box.
20:57 Four of them attend Sunrise Elementary.
20:59 Two attend West Shore.
21:00 One attend Bayside, so it doesn’t affect any middle school
21:03 students, but it does affect families
21:05 with elementary students, so I think our goal would be to reach
21:07 out to those families as part
21:08 of the public involvement process and just let them know what
21:11 the proposal is.
21:13 So our suggestion is to rezone this red rectangle from Southwest
21:18 Middle School to Stone Magnet Middle
21:21 School.
21:22 I just wanted to put up here for your reference.
21:24 This is a map that shows the planned developments that are
21:28 within the South Brevard area, and
21:31 you can see that Southwest is slated to take on a number of new
21:36 developments, and so that
21:38 is part of our recommendation as to why we’re looking at rezoning
21:44 those students from Southwest
21:47 to Stone.
21:48 Anyone have any questions coming?
21:52 Ms. Campbell?
21:53 Thank you for providing this map, because I know when I first
21:58 read this, I was thinking,
21:59 okay, but when we look at the future, the data, it looks like
22:02 Stone is the one that’s going
22:04 to be over 100% faster, but then with these new developments,
22:07 that puts all of them.
22:08 That puts a whole change.
22:10 Do you see, as far as the way that it’s laid out, I mean, there
22:14 looks like smaller red boxes
22:16 on this map, but the potential for the growth of stones
22:20 continuing to be slower than the potential
22:23 for Southwest?
22:24 That would be my guess.
22:26 Okay.
22:27 That there’s more existing development within the stone boundary
22:31 than there is within the
22:32 Southwest boundary.
22:33 There’s a lot of developable property in the Southwest boundary.
22:39 So kind of the, in the vicinity interchange in that area would
22:43 be my biggest concern.
22:44 And Emerald Lakes, if and when it ever happens, is it’s kind of
22:50 splits that highway.
22:52 I don’t, I can’t really tell from where it is sitting right here.
22:55 I mean, I see the Emerald Lakes on the west side of I-95.
22:58 Correct.
22:59 But is some of that also on the stone, in the stone boundary?
23:02 There are, there is some, I believe, development potential on
23:06 the east side.
23:07 Would, this map reflects only developments that have come
23:11 through our process where they
23:13 have asked for a concurrency letter.
23:15 Okay.
23:16 So we can always adjust in the future.
23:18 Yes, ma’am.
23:19 Okay.
23:20 Thank you.
23:21 Anybody else?
23:22 All right.
23:23 Thank you very much.
23:25 Thank you, Ms. Hamm.
23:27 All right.
23:28 The next nine items on today’s agenda are policies for board
23:31 discussion and our suggested revisions.
23:33 There are no public comments for these policies today.
23:35 The public will have an opportunity to address each of these
23:38 policies at the October 25th work
23:39 session when they are brought forward for rule development and
23:42 public hearing.
23:43 We are going to begin with board policy 2410, School Health
23:47 Services.
23:48 Good.
23:49 Is it afternoon at this point?
23:52 Good afternoon.
23:54 All of these policies are in relation, most of these policies
23:58 are in relation to this current
24:00 legislative session.
24:02 Those rules came down.
24:04 Most of them were to be implemented on July 1st.
24:08 We’ve already changed processes and procedures and made all of
24:12 the changes programmatically
24:14 to ensure we’re in line.
24:16 And what follows is some language from NEOLA to get our policies
24:19 in line.
24:20 So that’s why there are so many of them.
24:22 They’re in response to legislation.
24:24 So 2410 is School Health Services.
24:27 Specific revisions include notification to parents and legal
24:30 guardians of each health care service
24:33 offered at their student school and the option to withhold
24:36 consent.
24:36 It also included the language of the COVID-19 prohibitions and
24:42 guidelines for contracting with mental
24:43 health service providers, which include a timeline for
24:46 assessment after referral and a timeline
24:49 for service after the assessment.
24:51 Parents and legal guardians, as well as other individuals living
24:54 in the household with a student
24:56 receiving services, will also receive information about other
24:59 behavioral health services available
25:02 through the school and local community-based behavior health
25:05 resource providers.
25:06 You guys have already seen that resource manual for our families.
25:10 And all of the proposals for this do encompass the suggested
25:13 language from NEOLA.
25:14 Any board members have any questions or comments on policy 2410?
25:20 Ms. Campbell?
25:23 On – and I already asked my questions to Ms. Moore, but I
25:27 wanted to just make sure we have this discussion.
25:30 On the new D – why are you laughing if we just got started?
25:36 On the new D, where it says involuntary examination of students,
25:40 I had brought up last February,
25:41 and you said you had forgotten that that was our suggestion,
25:44 that we added the mental health.
25:45 So can we put that back in?
25:47 I just – I just felt like the policy is all health, health,
25:49 health, health, health.
25:50 I know we talk about involuntary examinations.
25:52 I don’t want anybody’s bells and whistles to go off.
25:54 We’re talking about the Baker Act procedure type thing.
25:57 So if we can put mental health back in there, there’s no
26:00 objection.
26:01 There’s no legal reason why we can’t do that, right, Paul?
26:04 No.
26:05 Okay.
26:06 I – that would be my suggestion that we put that back in.
26:08 Yep.
26:09 Anything else?
26:11 Okay.
26:12 All right.
26:13 Then next is going to be board policy 2416, student privacy and
26:18 parental access to information.
26:19 So specific revisions in this policy include providing the
26:23 questionnaire or form to the parent
26:26 and obtaining permission prior to administering a student well-being
26:30 questionnaire or health screening
26:32 to a student in kindergarten through third grade.
26:36 This includes an SRI K through three if needed.
26:41 The proposed revisions do encompass suggested language from NEOLA.
26:45 Do you want to answer questions from board members?
26:48 Yes?
26:49 Yes.
26:50 Go ahead.
26:51 All right.
26:52 So – and actually I already have forgotten what you put in the
26:58 e-mail, so many e-mails.
27:00 On the new D and this one, the student well-being questionnaire,
27:06 that is the – that would be like the –
27:12 that’s a mental health questionnaire, right?
27:14 Like the SRI?
27:15 Well, it could be.
27:16 It could be several things.
27:17 Okay.
27:18 But the one thing that’s most commonly considered under D, the
27:22 well-being or health screening questionnaire,
27:25 that we were – that we were – I don’t want to say concerned
27:29 about, but that we were questioning,
27:31 was whether or not it does include the SRI.
27:34 And we worked closely with Mr. Gibbs to look at the legal
27:37 language, the legal standing, the legal –
27:40 what other districts around the state were doing, and landed on
27:43 that it did include that.
27:45 So if a K through third grade student needed a suicide risk
27:48 inventory, that’s what an SRI is.
27:51 Number one, we would need parent permission before we did it.
27:54 Number two, they’d have to have access to that form.
27:56 We worked with the publisher of our questionnaire, and they’ve
27:59 given us carte blanche to put it
28:01 on our website so parents could have easy, ready access to it.
28:06 So any other form that would be considered there, it’s not
28:09 exclusive to the SRI,
28:11 but that’s the one that we thought would have the most questions.
28:14 The reason I asked was because when I looked at the terminology
28:17 there, I’m like,
28:18 do we have something that is either one of those things?
28:21 Now, the health screening form, would that be considered the
28:24 form that, you know,
28:26 if you’re coming in as a new student or a kindergarten that you
28:28 have to take to your doctor
28:29 and get them to fill out, is that considered that, or what would
28:33 that be?
28:34 So I’m going to go out on a limb and say the health screening
28:37 form, the parent owns that process.
28:40 They go to the doctor, they bring it back and forth.
28:42 That’s not a form we do.
28:44 Right.
28:45 That’s the Department of Health anyway, right?
28:46 That’s the Department of Health.
28:47 It could be any form that we give that asks questions about a
28:51 student’s health or personal mental health history
28:56 or mental health history of a family member.
28:59 I can’t come up with an example that we use readily other than
29:03 the SRI.
29:04 The one example I do have, besides the SRI, is when we do threat
29:09 assessments, as part of the threat assessment,
29:11 if a student has a very serious substantive threat, meaning the
29:15 team has come together
29:17 and determined that the threat involves the use of a weapon and
29:20 it involves a threat to hurt or harm somebody,
29:25 that part of that assessment, statutorily, is that there’s a
29:28 mental wellness assessment for that student.
29:31 And that is the one example we could come up with where statute
29:36 says we don’t need to get parent permission
29:40 as part of the threat assessment process because by statute we
29:43 have to do it.
29:44 Right, right.
29:45 No, thank you for making that one.
29:47 And then I had asked you a question about how this would apply
29:52 to our Youth Truth Survey
29:55 or the former CDC Risk Behaviour Survey that now we don’t have
30:00 any longer the state’s going to make up their own.
30:03 And I heard this last weekend that they’re not moving very fast
30:05 and getting it done.
30:07 But you said it would apply to those.
30:09 It would have to apply this test, but that the Youth Truth
30:12 Survey doesn’t ask questions
30:14 about the things that are listed in A1 through 8.
30:19 Correct?
30:20 About religious practices and affiliation, sexual behavior and
30:24 attitudes.
30:25 That the CDC –
30:26 That was the CDC, yeah.
30:27 They did.
30:29 So let me just put this hypothetical out.
30:31 In that case, like the CDC questionnaire, this policy would
30:34 require us to do the opt-in,
30:37 which is the way that we had practiced it for most of the years.
30:41 Correct.
30:42 If we were still doing the Youth Risk Behaviour Survey, then we
30:45 would absolutely have to post it online,
30:49 have parents be able to view it, and opt their children into
30:52 taking it.
30:53 Any survey we do, this is the standard that we have to look at,
30:57 A1 through 8.
30:59 If it contains questions on any of those things, we must post it.
31:02 We must give parents the ability to view it, and the ability to
31:06 opt their child into it.
31:08 Even if it’s an anonymous survey like the CDC?
31:10 Even if it’s an anonymous survey, yes.
31:12 Okay.
31:13 Thank you.
31:14 Good.
31:15 Thank you.
31:16 Just a couple of follow-up, just more.
31:21 Aren’t we required to do SRIs?
31:26 So we are, however, we have to get parent permission to complete
31:32 them, K through 3, based on this statute.
31:36 And so we would have to work with the parent to get the student
31:41 to health services.
31:43 I’m going to – I will be frank, I’m going to punt this one back
31:46 to Paul, because he’s done the majority
31:48 of the research on whether we have to use this language for SRIs
31:54 for K through 3.
31:56 There was – this went back and forth a lot.
31:59 So there’s no conflicting statute that requires us to do an SRI
32:03 for student safety?
32:05 Yeah.
32:06 There’s going to be conflicts, and there’s no guidance,
32:08 obviously, because it’s brand new.
32:11 So there’s nothing defining what it is, and districts are just
32:14 kind of all over the place
32:15 on does it or doesn’t it.
32:17 I wasn’t prepared to say that asking kids about suicide isn’t
32:20 going to be deemed a mental health
32:23 questionnaire, so you’re risking being in direct conflict with
32:28 this versus working with parents
32:30 to try and get the child the same information done that way.
32:33 And the company was fine with us posting and allowing them to
32:37 see it in advance anyways.
32:39 So since they didn’t – there was no objection to us providing
32:43 it in advance, I thought that
32:45 was the better play than risking lawsuits over not getting
32:49 permission.
32:51 Got it.
32:52 Okay.
32:53 And then my other question, and this may be a punted back to
32:56 Paul as well, I don’t know,
32:57 but on the health screening form or the vaccine records that,
33:02 you know, the form that we turn
33:05 in saying our kids have their physical and they have all their
33:08 vaccines, we have to have
33:10 parent permission for that.
33:12 So does that mean that a parent can now choose not to submit
33:15 that?
33:16 So that’s a different statute about registration where that’s
33:19 required by the state of Florida
33:22 unless a parent goes through a process to get a waiver on that,
33:28 and there’s a whole process
33:29 for that.
33:30 But there are statutes in conflict with statutes, but we stick
33:34 with the registration statute.
33:36 These are the mandatory requirements you have before you can
33:38 enter one of our public schools.
33:40 Okay.
33:41 Yeah?
33:42 I will, if I could just add to the conversation about the K-3 SRI,
33:48 best case scenario for
33:49 us is that, you know, it’s hard to have these conversations with
33:53 a five-year-old and a six-year-old
33:55 and why are you, you know, what are you feeling and how are you
33:57 feeling and trying to get to
33:58 those questions.
33:59 The best case scenario is to have a supportive parent sitting
34:02 there alongside us.
34:04 So in my best streams, this is a good thing for our little ones.
34:09 And then I, of course, have my own concerns.
34:13 And when we come to those bridges, we’ll be crossing them and
34:16 making the best decisions
34:18 we can for the safety of our kids.
34:20 Thank you.
34:21 Welcome.
34:22 You may not know this off the top of your head.
34:26 So K-3, typically how many do we have in a year?
34:31 I don’t know.
34:33 I’m sorry.
34:34 I didn’t even think about that, but I was just –
34:36 It’s a very low number.
34:38 I will tell you that, you know, we hit a high in five-six and
34:41 then we hit a high again
34:43 in eight.
34:44 Right.
34:45 But it’s very low.
34:46 But I can get you those exact numbers.
34:47 I was just curious because I’d be surprised if it was a high
34:51 number.
34:52 Yeah, it’s a low number.
34:53 We have it last year.
34:55 Find it.
34:56 Dig back in the annals of emails.
34:59 But I have to look.
35:00 Sure it’s filed underneath one of my folders.
35:04 Thank you.
35:05 All right.
35:06 Anything else?
35:07 Oh, Ms. Jenkins?
35:08 Yeah.
35:09 Sorry.
35:10 I don’t really know if this is going to lead to a question or
35:12 not, but just kind of jumping
35:14 off of that SRI.
35:15 So when you brought that up, one of my thoughts and concerns was,
35:20 yes, this is in conflict
35:22 because we are mandated to do these things if these children
35:25 show these tendencies.
35:27 And then I do think of those other scenarios where potentially
35:30 that student doesn’t have
35:32 a supportive system at home.
35:34 It does concern me a little bit that they’re privy to the
35:37 information and questions beforehand
35:39 for coaching and stuff.
35:40 You know, it kind of ruins the validity of that assessment.
35:43 It would be an extreme case and it would be really, really rare
35:47 to happen.
35:48 But it’s just something that we need to be aware of.
35:50 And hopefully the state will be aware of some of the
35:53 implications and some of the negative
35:55 impacts of some of these decisions that they’re making just so
35:58 that we don’t negatively impact
35:59 some of our students who don’t have that support system at home.
36:02 Thanks.
36:03 Ms. Moore, can you give me an example of a survey that we are,
36:08 we, the term personal information
36:10 means individual identified information, including a student,
36:13 parents, you know, first,
36:14 last name, all that stuff.
36:16 Can you give me an example of one that we do require to get that
36:20 and that we do then send
36:22 that information to a third party?
36:24 Because part of the fear out there among a lot of parents, and I’ll
36:27 be honest with you,
36:28 I’ve heard it from them, is that our information is being used
36:31 for different things.
36:32 I’m in sales.
36:33 It does make its way into it, right?
36:36 People with their Bluetooths on their phones and everything else
36:39 right now, it’s going.
36:40 So from our perspective, is there a survey that you can think of
36:43 that actually does this?
36:44 I can’t think of a specific survey.
36:47 I’ll be frank, as I was reading this, my bigger concern is, you
36:51 know, we have a lot of teachers,
36:54 we have a lot of things that go home, and just making all of our
36:59 people aware that if it’s a survey,
37:01 if it’s asking personal questions, if it’s addressing any of
37:03 these things, it’s against policy if we haven’t done the work
37:07 right.
37:07 So I can’t particularly think, I don’t, my group doesn’t send
37:12 out too many surveys.
37:14 I can’t particularly think of one.
37:17 I wish I could.
37:19 I’m more concerned kind of broader, making sure all of our
37:22 employees are aware of this policy and that we’re following the
37:25 policy and something’s not going to slip through the cracks.
37:28 Sure, so help me here understand, so when we go to fill out the
37:31 registration form, it asks for vaccination data and stuff like
37:36 that.
37:37 That information is then inputted into our AS400 because we have
37:40 to administer that in the event that we have an issue at some of
37:43 the schools.
37:43 What exactly, where does that information, is that ever given to
37:46 any other third parties?
37:48 I don’t know of a single instance where health information is
37:51 given to a third party.
37:53 Good.
37:54 And this is just for verification.
37:56 I’m not asking you because I’m getting somewhere.
37:58 I’m just verifying.
37:59 Yeah.
38:00 Anything that has to do with HIPAA or anything of that nature,
38:03 nobody can come in and make a public records request for
38:06 personal data to include vaccination statuses and all that other
38:10 stuff.
38:11 That would go through the department.
38:13 We do have people that go through the Department of Health, like
38:16 our news media asks, you know, how many kids are vaccinated for
38:21 chicken pox.
38:22 We don’t give names, we don’t give any, you know, we don’t even
38:25 give schools, but we would give numbers.
38:27 That’s the only instance I can think of where we’re asked for
38:30 health information and typically we direct them right to the
38:33 health department because they’re the agency that owns that
38:36 information.
38:38 Did I answer your question?
38:39 Yeah, absolutely.
38:40 So the, we fill out the vaccination forms for each one of the
38:42 schools and all that stuff.
38:44 And then that information is then transported over with names to
38:47 the health department or is that information then kept here and
38:50 we just do numbers percentages.
38:52 This is how many kids are vaccinated here, chicken pox, all that
38:55 other stuff, correct?
38:57 Yes, that was a lot, but, but the health department owns that
39:01 information.
39:02 So they, they have the information there.
39:04 The parents turn it into us and it gets put in the records at
39:07 our, it gets put into focus.
39:10 So we have a lot of that information digitally and it also gets
39:13 included in the information that we keep in for, in our
39:16 registration.
39:17 So it is a piece of paper within our registration cumulative
39:21 folders that our students have.
39:23 So the department of health, do they have names of individuals
39:27 who have vaccinations and don’t have vaccinations?
39:29 Yes.
39:30 Okay.
39:31 And can we verify, and this might be the followup that I need.
39:33 Um, is there a way to verify that the department of health does
39:37 not allow that information to go anywhere else?
39:40 Does that make sense?
39:42 Uh, it, the question makes sense.
39:45 Um, I, I mean, it’s a government agency.
39:48 They would have to follow HIPAA rules.
39:50 No, I know, I know, but it’s, it’s, it’s our, it’s coming from
39:52 our schools, right?
39:53 So our schools are submitting this data to the department of
39:55 health.
39:56 The department of health then has this data.
39:58 And it’s a fair question to ask the department of health who out
40:01 of a third party would need reference to this.
40:04 And are we, you know, they are following HIPAA.
40:06 I get it.
40:07 Um, but there’s a fear out there that some of this information
40:09 might make its way out.
40:10 And I think that it behooves us just to ask them if there’s any
40:12 third parties that monitor it,
40:14 have an opportunity to come in and see it.
40:16 Um, and I think the answer to that would be no, but I think it
40:18 might be worth it for us just to ask.
40:20 Yeah, I understand.
40:21 I actually think I I’m going to verify, but the information
40:24 actually starts with the department of health.
40:26 The department of health has all the original records.
40:29 What’s what’s brought to us is a copy.
40:32 So we’re getting a copy of information data.
40:34 Sure.
40:34 Already own.
40:35 Yep.
40:36 I will absolutely ask that question.
40:37 Just to verify it, it kind of circles up our information for our
40:40 kids and kind of follows the trail of the sentiment of what this
40:45 policy is trying to do.
40:46 Um, so thank you.
40:47 I appreciate it.
40:48 That’s all.
40:49 Thank you.
40:51 Can I just follow up real quick?
40:53 So when we go to the doctor, we get vaccines, whatever
40:58 information is presented there, anything that takes place that
41:03 is already in the system of the
41:04 That’s right.
41:05 That is protected under HIPAA.
41:07 There’s nothing that can be disseminated there without consent
41:10 of the patient or the patient’s parent.
41:13 When that information comes to us, it is protected under FERPA
41:16 if it becomes part of their educational records.
41:19 So there’s actually two layers of protection there for privacy.
41:23 Um, we have no right legally to give out anybody’s name or
41:28 identifying information.
41:31 So that absolutely wouldn’t be happening, nor does the
41:33 Department of Health.
41:35 Um, especially when it comes to vaccinations and stuff like that.
41:39 So again, when you register your student, you’re the one
41:41 providing the information to the school system.
41:44 We’re not providing that to the Department of Health.
41:46 They’re giving that to us.
41:47 That’s for our data.
41:48 We don’t send that to anybody.
41:50 Can I follow up with that?
41:54 I just wanted to say, although I appreciate what the rules and
41:57 regulations of the world are,
41:59 and I appreciate that overview of what you did, Ms. Jenkins.
42:02 It’s behooves us to just ask to circle it up and to make sure.
42:05 Because there are many data points that I see in different areas
42:09 through hospital systems and everything else.
42:12 That if they are sent the wrong people, it might get to the
42:15 wrong areas.
42:16 And I just want to make sure as an elected official that the
42:18 things that we have inside of our control are not being used.
42:21 That’s all.
42:22 And if everything that you said, which is correct with the
42:25 policies and procedures under HIPAA, FERPA, and everything else,
42:27 is true, then this is not a problem and we can ask the question.
42:30 That’s all.
42:31 Thank you.
42:32 I would suggest the best way to verify that, Mr. Susan, would be
42:34 to just put in a public records request and see if they’ll give
42:37 you the information.
42:38 Because Ms. Moore is going to speak to one person at the health
42:40 department who’s going to say, no, this is what the, you see
42:43 what I mean?
42:44 Like, test the system and see if it works.
42:47 We could go both ways.
42:48 I mean, she could reach out and ask them if there’s any third
42:50 party vendors and then she can send that.
42:52 That’s a public record unto itself.
42:53 And then I could go out and do that.
42:55 That’s great.
42:56 But verifying from them through you is sufficient for me.
42:59 That’s all I wanted.
43:00 Okay.
43:01 But thank you for the idea.
43:02 Anything else on 2416?
43:04 Okay.
43:05 Moving then along to policy 2431, interscholastic athletics.
43:11 The proposed revisions encompassed suggested language from Neola.
43:15 Particular areas of revision include the following.
43:17 A mandated amount of players from middle school basketball teams.
43:21 Actually, if I could explain, the old policy had an A team and a
43:26 B team and they needed five students on the A team and the B
43:30 team.
43:30 And we began having middle schools that couldn’t field 10
43:33 players.
43:34 And so they couldn’t have an A team and a B team.
43:37 And we were forcing them out of policy by playing, by not doing
43:42 that.
43:43 So instead we wrote that each player had to play at least one
43:49 quarter.
43:51 So we were just following the theory, the philosophy that middle
43:53 school kids are about getting experience.
43:56 But allowing them to stay within policy.
43:59 Questions on policy 2431, interscholastic athletics.
44:05 I have a bunch.
44:06 Go ahead.
44:07 So one of the things that’s inside there is it says that we’re
44:09 not allowed to allow middle school teams to go play outside the
44:12 county.
44:13 Many of you may not know this, but years ago, middle school had
44:17 a full boat of athletics.
44:19 They had even football in some middle schools and we did compete
44:22 outside the county.
44:23 Miss Moore, can you give the justification for not playing
44:26 outside the county or allowing other counties to come bring
44:28 their teams here?
44:30 I believe the time, I could be wrong because I wasn’t prepared
44:33 for the question.
44:35 But I believe when you’re talking about is when we had junior
44:38 high schools and we had ninth grade teams.
44:40 And when we had ninth grade teams, we did play outside the
44:43 county and we did play a roster of other sports.
44:47 Since I’m aware, but I could be wrong, middle school has
44:51 followed this philosophy.
44:53 So we did have an entire full boat years ago and there was a
44:57 point and I forget what point in early 2000 that we stripped a
45:02 lot of the programs out.
45:04 As a coach in ninth grade, even if we were junior or not junior
45:09 senior, we actually traveled outside of the county to play those
45:13 sports back in the day.
45:15 So when I was coaching, we were at Space Coast, but we also,
45:18 many of the other teams that didn’t have the junior senior logo.
45:21 I personally should, I don’t see what the reason behind it is.
45:25 Like why would we not allow kids from South area?
45:29 And I’ll tell you why.
45:30 Not only for the, we sometimes have difficulty fielding teams in
45:36 our sports.
45:38 Okay.
45:39 So the middle school, we’re going to go ahead and say, you know,
45:42 let’s start having the volleyball.
45:44 Let’s start having all these other sports.
45:46 And there’s not going to be all the schools that actually have
45:48 those sports inside of them.
45:50 So the interleague play is going to be limited to only a certain
45:53 number of teams.
45:54 So you’re going to end up playing the same team over and over
45:56 again.
45:57 So what my, what I would like to do is, is remove the not
46:00 allowing outside counties to come play so that we can have more
46:04 competition for our students.
46:06 And I, and I, and I looked at some of the surrounding counties.
46:09 This is not a requirement inside the middle schools for them.
46:12 So it’s kind of a brevard thing.
46:14 And I was wondering, you know, if there’s a true justification
46:17 for it, which I’m, maybe I’m missing.
46:20 Um, I would just love to hear it because I, you know, I can
46:24 understand travel like, but not allowing them to not bring a
46:28 team in.
46:29 And raise money and all that other stuff is something I would
46:31 like to look at.
46:32 So I, but I did want to ask you if there’s a reason behind it.
46:37 I can go back to when this originally all happened and I can
46:40 pull the conversations and try to get you an answer.
46:44 Well, I mean, I, I look, I, we can go back and we can do that.
46:49 But right now we have students that are in middle schools that
46:52 may not have enough interscholastic activities against other
46:55 teams based on the sport.
46:57 And we’re going to inhibit them based on not being able to go
46:59 outside the county.
47:00 That’s the first one.
47:01 The second one is, is that as we look at this and we’re starting
47:04 to try to, to create a more athletically driven district,
47:10 then not being able to play outside the county doesn’t allow for
47:14 a lot of that, um, level of play to increase.
47:18 Does that make sense to you?
47:19 So you can, so if I’m a really good middle school team, I should
47:22 be able to go challenge people outside my county.
47:25 I should.
47:26 And we’re not allowing that.
47:29 Like right now, our high school teams are playing in Allentown,
47:33 Texas for football.
47:34 And our wrestling team goes to Georgia, Alabama.
47:36 We just supported that last, last board meeting.
47:38 So I would like to see that this, um, we allow our middle
47:43 schools to allow teams to come in from outside the county
47:46 and for us to travel outside the county if they can raise the
47:48 funds for it.
47:49 That’s all.
47:50 Yeah.
47:51 I would like the opportunity to go back and look at why some of
47:53 those decisions were made.
47:55 So I could see if they were, you know, financial or
47:58 philosophical or, um, if it had to do with ninth grade moving up
48:03 to high school
48:04 in the eighth grade, not being able to feel that kind of
48:07 competitive teams.
48:08 I just would like the opportunity to do a little, little
48:10 research.
48:11 That’s fine.
48:12 Um, all right.
48:14 And then the next one is, is a minimum of one quarter.
48:17 It drove me crazy that we had the AB games in the seventh grades.
48:20 Cause you’re right.
48:21 Like teams were trying to field and, and there was more about
48:23 the strategy of who was going to play where,
48:25 rather than coaching them on what the, the, the, the, you know,
48:28 what the actual sport was.
48:30 It became a large piece.
48:32 So I appreciate you going the extra distance to create it to
48:34 where they play one quarter.
48:36 Um, and that, but it still is inside of there.
48:39 What is the justification for, and I think it’s going to be the,
48:44 um, so everybody can play mentality.
48:46 But, um, is the reason that we’re allowing, we’re maximizing
48:50 that every player must play one minimum of one quarter is
48:53 because we want them to get access to the program.
48:56 Is that what it is and have the opportunity to play?
48:58 Is that what, what it?
48:59 Yes.
49:00 Okay.
49:01 So if we are having intramural sports that are coming on to
49:03 include other sports so that they can play, would that become a
49:07 issue?
49:08 So say like AAU had basketball intramurals and they were
49:11 allowing everybody to play, right?
49:13 So you have your middle school basketball team, middle school,
49:15 volleyball team, middle school, all that.
49:18 This is your best teams that you put forward.
49:20 These are the kids that are going to go compete.
49:21 These are the ones, right?
49:22 But then you also have a robust intramural play where everybody
49:25 can play.
49:26 Because I truly believe and I love the fact that we want to make
49:30 kids play.
49:31 I do, right?
49:32 I do.
49:33 I would love to expand it more.
49:34 I think it just comes at the inhibition of creating this other,
49:38 or this other piece, which is intramural play for the same ones.
49:41 So for instance, if we have basketball at a school, right, the
49:45 whole school should be able to play basketball.
49:47 Currently under this, there’s only a certain number of kids.
49:50 And I’ll be honest with you, many kids that would love to just
49:53 go out and play it, don’t get the opportunity to play.
49:55 Because they’re like, man, I’m not good enough to go play on
49:58 that team.
49:59 They really are.
50:00 And there’s only so many seats.
50:02 So if we expand the intramurals to allow many teams to play in
50:06 kind of a one week or whatever, whatever those intramurals are,
50:09 right?
50:10 Then we would be, this inhibits them.
50:12 I don’t know.
50:15 I don’t know if it’s needed.
50:16 Does that make sense?
50:18 I’m confused.
50:20 Yep.
50:21 So are you agreeing that it’s okay that everybody–
50:24 No, I want to take it, yeah, I want to take it out and expand
50:28 intramurals to allow all the children who normally would love to
50:32 play that sport, who are just kind of trying to find their way
50:35 onto a team to play, give them the opportunity to shine, or give
50:39 them the opportunity to shine in an intramural setting.
50:41 So you’re saying that not a need for tryouts that–
50:47 No, no, no.
50:48 So I’m getting confused.
50:49 Yeah, absolutely.
50:50 So here’s what you have.
50:51 You have two things.
50:52 You have the middle school basketball team, the middle school
50:54 volleyball team, the middle– that’s your seventh and eighth
50:58 graders trying out for a team that is competitive, that will go
51:01 compete against other schools and other counties, right?
51:04 Yeah.
51:05 Then you have– so they take that, set it aside.
51:07 Then you have an intramural program, kind of like what we’re
51:10 trying to do with inside of the schools.
51:13 So like you have 20 basketball teams that play intramurals
51:17 inside the schools.
51:19 And then that way everybody can play.
51:21 Because I’ll be honest with you, I would love to see children
51:24 that are absolutely no athletic ability running out there to
51:27 play basketball because it’s one of the greatest things to see
51:29 them get involved like that, right?
51:32 But I don’t want to inhibit a basketball team from winning
51:35 against other schools because they have to play everybody on the
51:40 bench, if that makes sense.
51:42 And at middle school mentality, you’re talking about kids.
51:46 You’re not talking about elementary school students.
51:48 You’re not talking about those students with that– you’re
51:50 talking about students who, if you’ve been around the middle
51:53 schoolers, that is not a place where– I mean, they are becoming
51:57 young adults.
51:58 And I don’t know if that fits there.
51:59 That’s all.
52:00 I wanted to throw it out there.
52:01 So currently, just to kind of encapsulate, we have two sports at
52:05 the middle school that are intramural.
52:09 They compete with other schools, basketball and track.
52:12 And this year, we are adding two intramural sports, volleyball
52:17 and soccer.
52:19 And so we’re just adding it.
52:22 We’re not sure how that’s going to go and how many kids are
52:24 going to come out and whether we’re going to get support from
52:28 the faculty to run those.
52:30 So just to make sure the public knows– I know you know– just
52:35 to make sure the public knows what’s going on at middle school.
52:38 And for as long as I’ve been in the system, the philosophy at
52:42 middle school has been to get kids out there, give kids playing
52:46 time, give them the experience of being on that competition team.
52:52 So I hear what you’re saying.
52:53 Depends on the will of the board.
52:54 Yeah, I would– if I may, just– I believe that the current
53:03 policy comes in response and as a reflection of what our
53:08 district’s philosophy of middle school athletics is compared to
53:11 secondary athletics.
53:13 And the philosophy embraces participation but also competition
53:21 and try to balance those out so that, yes, there’s tryouts and
53:24 there are, let’s be honest, tears when students don’t see their
53:29 name on the list at the end of tryouts at middle school.
53:33 Yet those who do make the list are assured some playing time
53:37 opportunity.
53:38 In our high schools in interscholastic– I’ve had a loss of–
53:45 Interscholastic, yeah.
53:46 Yeah, the sports, there’s not only tryouts, but there’s never an
53:52 assurance that that any one player is going to receive playing
53:55 time.
53:56 So it’s just trying to balance the philosophy.
53:59 I understand, Mr. Seuss, and your interest in expanding access
54:02 to those sports activities at the middle school level.
54:05 And we agree and know that that adds one more venue of connectedness
54:10 to our school environment.
54:13 And we’ll certainly pursue those as much as we can.
54:17 But like Ms. Moore said, we’re not guaranteed that any school is
54:21 going to have those.
54:22 So that would be– that would may come to become difficult when
54:26 talking about board policy as a middle school sports program as
54:30 a whole when the intramural, you know, assurances aren’t there
54:35 for everything.
54:36 I totally understand what you’re talking about when you’re
54:43 talking about when you’re talking about these middle school
54:45 teams because, you know, I– the largest middle school in the
54:50 county is in District 5, actually the largest two.
54:54 We could take four of the middle schools in other parts of the
54:59 county and put it inside of Central if we take the smallest
55:04 middle schools.
55:06 So for the students who are there– and Central still only has
55:09 one boys’ team and one girls’ team.
55:12 So even though they have 1,200 students, 600 boys, 600 girls,
55:17 only however many, 10, 12 boys and girls are going to make that
55:20 team because 7th and 8th grade are combined.
55:22 You’re trying out for basketball, and this hits personal in my
55:25 own household, at that school, you’re going to be at a
55:29 disadvantage because there’s just a larger pool to draw from.
55:32 Whereas if those kids were at a smaller school, they might have
55:35 a better chance to make the team.
55:36 So I understand that.
55:38 And so those students, if they want a chance to play, they do
55:41 have to look for AAU or community or the countywide things.
55:43 I just personally am in a favor of leaving this in.
55:47 I agree that I was glad that we made the adjustment of the AB.
55:50 I’m not even sure how some schools were even able to make that
55:52 happen.
55:52 But this guarantees some time.
55:55 In this training ground that is sports, we don’t have intramural
55:57 basketball right now.
55:59 And I like the idea of opening it up, but I personally would
56:02 also like to see how things take off with the intramural soccer,
56:06 with the intramural volleyball, if we have the capacity to do it.
56:10 And some schools may, a big, huge school like Central, who has
56:13 more teachers also as well as more students, that may take off
56:17 more inside their own school.
56:19 We’d have the opportunity to do that more there.
56:23 I don’t know that’s necessarily needed countywide, because some
56:26 of our little, tiny, what are some of yours, middle schools,
56:29 they’re probably doing all they can some years to feel the full
56:33 boys’ and girls’ team.
56:35 I’m also, unless we have, I haven’t really heard anybody ask
56:39 about the out-of-county play for middle school.
56:42 I just don’t know what the need is that.
56:45 I mean, I know they have divisions south and north.
56:48 They’re not even divided by size, like the high schoolers are in
56:52 divisions.
56:53 So they seem to be having enough competition.
56:56 They’re having a regular rotation.
56:59 And then, of course, they have got the playoffs.
57:00 They’ve got the playoffs at the end of the season and the
57:03 district track meets and things like that.
57:05 Seem to be pretty large.
57:07 In fact, don’t we have two district track meets when we get
57:10 there?
57:10 We have like a south and a north or whatever.
57:13 I’m trying to think if all the schools are there at the same
57:15 time.
57:15 Maybe not.
57:16 Watch me have to turn to Stephanie Sullivan because I think the
57:18 answer is yes, but I know she’s going to have the answer.
57:21 Yes.
57:22 Yes, there’s two.
57:22 So that’s how many middle schools we have.
57:24 We actually are dividing the district track meet at the end of
57:26 the season into two different tracks because we can’t hold them
57:29 all.
57:29 So I just, I’m not sure that we have the need for that to take
57:33 that out.
57:34 And, of course, if we, if the need develops, we can come back
57:36 and revise this policy.
57:38 Can I ask a question?
57:40 Ms. Moore.
57:41 Just for a reminder and for the public that’s listening, I know
57:47 your name is on this, but, you know, can you just let us know
57:52 who you communicate with in order to redraft these policies?
57:56 Did you sit down and write this policy by yourself?
57:59 Who did you have a conversation with?
58:00 No, it was, um, Andrew Ramjet is our assistant director for
58:03 athletics.
58:04 Um, when it came to the middle school piece, I had him working
58:07 with the middle school, um, uh, athletic directors to say, you
58:11 know, what works, what doesn’t work, what’s your issues, what’s
58:14 your problems, you know, what are you looking toward?
58:16 Um, so we, we, we had some feedback.
58:20 Okay, thanks.
58:21 So I really, um, I love it that we have it in there that every
58:27 student plays at least.
58:30 A quarter because we’re talking middle school here.
58:33 We are not, um, secondary high school where it’s so competitive.
58:38 And I’m much rather have these students have the ability to go
58:44 ahead and play whether I’m great or not so great and not feel
58:48 sitting on the bench all the time.
58:51 Um, at this level, at this point in, in their, uh, athletic, um,
58:55 I don’t want to say career, but it could be, um, I love it.
59:02 So thank you for putting in there.
59:04 I think it’s really important to have them in there.
59:05 I think everybody in seventh and eighth grade should have the
59:08 ability if they want to play, play in a quarter, not just sit on
59:10 the bench.
59:11 So, yes, thank you.
59:13 So, Ms. Moore, um, could you do me a favor since I think, uh, Mr.
59:19 Gibbs or care person Belford, uh, moving forward, um, this
59:23 policy comes before us now, um, because there’s, there’s a lot
59:27 more here.
59:28 The other thing is, is that, uh, if it needs to be changed, we
59:31 would take a look at some of the things that we’re going to be
59:35 bringing up and then bring that back to a workshop.
59:38 Is that, would that be the next step?
59:39 Are we okay with that?
59:41 I want to make sure I understand what you’re asking.
59:44 Are you asking about changing?
59:46 What recommendations are on this, this policy right now, making
59:50 changes to that?
59:51 What would that do in the process of this, this actual?
59:55 If changed right now, it just comes through its normal process
59:58 because we’ve advertised.
59:59 That’s why we have this one.
1:00:00 So the board can make any recommended changes without having to
1:00:03 start the process over.
1:00:04 If it, the first hearing next, the next meeting, October 25th,
1:00:07 there’s any changes at that point, we start over.
1:00:10 So we have to re-advertise and put it on a new schedule.
1:00:13 The next time would be the same and then the next time and stuff
1:00:15 like that.
1:00:15 Okay.
1:00:15 Yeah, that’s fine.
1:00:16 And then you have three from that.
1:00:18 So October 25th and then.
1:00:19 Well, October 25th will be the first public hearing.
1:00:22 November 22nd will be when it’s finalized.
1:00:26 No, this one, this one’s going on 12th.
1:00:28 This one’s, yeah, there’s no.
1:00:29 Yeah, it would be the 12th, 13th.
1:00:30 That’s another thing that a lot of people were emailing us about
1:00:32 is that they were worried that this is the first time
1:00:35 and the only time these policies are going to come forward.
1:00:37 They’re going to be.
1:00:38 There’s a, yeah, public hearing number one is next meeting and
1:00:41 then the December meeting is the finalized.
1:00:44 Perfect.
1:00:45 So in the meantime, if you can ask each one of those basketball
1:00:49 coaches, not the ADs, the coaches, ask them,
1:00:52 would you love to compete outside of this county?
1:00:54 And I’ll tell you, the Southwest, they will.
1:00:56 Those other organizations probably will.
1:00:59 And the reason is, is that if I’m fielding a team and I want the
1:01:02 maximum competition for them and I’ve got a good team,
1:01:05 I want to travel outside.
1:01:06 Now, the ones who don’t, don’t have to.
1:01:09 You’re not trying to set up a situation where they’re forced to
1:01:12 play outside the county.
1:01:13 Teams that are currently here look for teams outside the county
1:01:16 to play so that they can win some.
1:01:17 There’s another opportunity to go outside the county and give
1:01:21 the kids better experiences and to learn better as far as the
1:01:25 sports.
1:01:26 One of the problems we have as a school district is that our
1:01:29 children, when they come to high school playing,
1:01:33 other school districts have robust athletic programs that puts
1:01:37 our students at a disadvantage when they start playing at high
1:01:41 school
1:01:41 because we are not training them and working them ahead of time.
1:01:44 One of the other issues that we have inside of our sports
1:01:47 programs inside this county is that many of the low-income
1:01:50 students are not allowed to,
1:01:52 many of the students that are low-income don’t have the
1:01:56 opportunity to play because there’s not as many opportunities to
1:01:59 get out there.
1:01:59 So, right now, my daughter plays on a soccer team.
1:02:02 It costs an extraordinary amount of money to play on that soccer
1:02:06 team.
1:02:06 That is an inhibitive towards many of the other kids in the
1:02:08 district.
1:02:09 When the school district doesn’t offer the same athletics that
1:02:13 it has in the past years ago,
1:02:14 those children don’t get the opportunity until high school to
1:02:18 actually play,
1:02:18 which puts us at a disadvantage in the competitive sport.
1:02:21 I just wanted to make that statement.
1:02:23 If you can, ask each one of the coaches what their opinion is
1:02:27 and then make that as part of the feedback
1:02:30 because a lot of times we ask, well, what do you think, but it
1:02:34 doesn’t actually get to them.
1:02:35 And for me, it would be my request.
1:02:38 They may not take it as a change in the policy, but it would
1:02:42 mean the world to me if we could ask each one of the coaches,
1:02:44 would they like to play outside the county?
1:02:47 Okay.
1:02:47 Ms. Belford, if I may, we can certainly do that.
1:02:53 And if the board is interested in moving towards that
1:02:56 consideration,
1:02:57 there’s a couple other factors that may weigh in.
1:03:01 One, maybe in, out of our control, but just to add it to the
1:03:06 discussion,
1:03:08 is that other districts may be FHSAA-approved middle school
1:03:12 sports, athletics, where we’re not.
1:03:15 That doesn’t mean we couldn’t be or couldn’t consider what that
1:03:19 would look like,
1:03:20 but that could be a barrier for competing with schools out of
1:03:24 county.
1:03:25 If the board wants to move in that direction, I would just add
1:03:29 there needs to be an equity conversation,
1:03:32 and we would likely, I would not recommend we just open it up to
1:03:38 compete with other schools outside of the county
1:03:41 without setting some guidelines and the potential and likely
1:03:46 funding impacts,
1:03:48 because there are some middle schools who may be able to raise
1:03:52 dollars to go travel
1:03:53 and reciprocate playing out of county, and other middle schools
1:03:57 couldn’t,
1:03:57 and we certainly wouldn’t want to allow that to happen.
1:04:02 to ensure that all of our students have access to those equal
1:04:05 opportunities.
1:04:06 So that’s just, you know, some additional perspective that we
1:04:10 would need to take into consideration
1:04:12 as this conversation continues, and we’re happy to do that if
1:04:15 that’s the direction of the majority of the board.
1:04:17 I think, and it’s part of a larger conversation, is that what Dr.
1:04:22 Mullins had just alluded to.
1:04:24 Thank you for that, Dr. Mullins.
1:04:25 Everything that you said is 100% in line with what needs to be
1:04:29 done.
1:04:30 The issue is this, other school districts allow their middle
1:04:33 schools to compete in FHSAs.
1:04:34 We don’t.
1:04:35 We tell them, you know, we had this policy where you had A and B,
1:04:39 and we had all this other stuff.
1:04:41 We have this intramural thing and all that stuff.
1:04:43 And then the kids get to high school, and we are 9th and 10th
1:04:47 grade catching up.
1:04:48 And our 9th and 10th grade programs have been decimated over the
1:04:52 last couple of years because
1:04:53 of the participation based on it.
1:04:55 If we have opportunities in middle school for students to be
1:04:58 playing, then they would transfer
1:05:01 to being more participation in high school, and they would be
1:05:04 more prepared to play those
1:05:05 games.
1:05:07 And maybe the conversation is to ask the coaches, instead of
1:05:10 that, would they like to join the
1:05:12 FHSAA and compete in FHSAA sports, rather than being an anomaly
1:05:16 out there that doesn’t do that?
1:05:20 So just for clarification, typically when we’re seeking feedback,
1:05:25 and I appreciate that, you know,
1:05:27 you get to the people who know their part the best.
1:05:30 We seek feedback from our athletic directors and our principals
1:05:34 because they have the umbrella.
1:05:37 They have the overall picture of what’s going on in the school
1:05:40 and how the impact of one thing
1:05:42 could impact many other things, unlike, you know, a single
1:05:47 viewpoint person.
1:05:49 But I appreciate it’s important for us to understand how
1:05:55 individuals feel about their passion, their
1:05:58 sport.
1:06:00 As we look at if we’re going to move forward, if we’re going to
1:06:04 investigate, I’m going to need
1:06:07 some clear direction on what we’re investigating, whether we’re
1:06:11 investigating changing how our
1:06:13 middle schools play, or whether we’re investigating whether
1:06:16 middle schools are going to join FHSAA.
1:06:18 It’s not going to be a quick answer because there’s, we’re going
1:06:23 to have to do an analysis of
1:06:25 everything that that impacts.
1:06:26 The board already makes a sizable contribution to keep our
1:06:31 athletics afloat in secondary in
1:06:33 high schools.
1:06:34 So it’s, we’re just going to need a little bit of time and a
1:06:38 clear vision of where you guys
1:06:40 want me to look at making changes for middle school sports.
1:06:43 If I may, and then I’ll turn it back to the board.
1:06:45 I apologize.
1:06:46 Thank you, Ms. Moore.
1:06:46 I should have concluded my comments with exactly that.
1:06:49 And just advise the board that typically when we pursue a
1:06:53 philosophical shift, change, or
1:06:56 considerable change in our district practice or our function,
1:07:01 which we do regularly, we review
1:07:04 and analyze, there is a period of time we take that on and we do
1:07:08 a comprehensive evaluation and
1:07:10 then bring back the information, the proposal, and in some cases,
1:07:17 even a recommendation of what
1:07:20 that would look like.
1:07:21 So in this case, this, this is sounding to be a considerable
1:07:25 reconsideration of the philosophy
1:07:28 of Brevard Public Schools, Middle School Athletics.
1:07:30 That’s not wrong.
1:07:31 It’s not a bad thing.
1:07:32 It’s obviously been a long time since we have evaluated that.
1:07:36 But if that’s, if that is the direction of the board, then I
1:07:41 would suggest we need some time.
1:07:43 We’re, we’re virtually halfway through the sports season of
1:07:49 middle school, where basketball is
1:07:52 essentially, if it isn’t over, it’s got to be coming close.
1:07:55 It’s not over yet.
1:07:56 Okay.
1:07:57 Um, and track isn’t until the spring, but we’re talking a little
1:08:01 bit more about basketball as
1:08:02 an impacted sport than track.
1:08:04 Um, so we, that I would echo Mrs.
1:08:08 Moore and her, uh, her comments there that we’d need some time
1:08:13 to get comprehensive feedback,
1:08:16 look at the potential cost implications, supplements, and those
1:08:20 types of things as well, and, and
1:08:22 make a presentation of the board.
1:08:23 If I could say that we don’t need the will of the board, I would
1:08:26 just like two questions
1:08:27 to be asked to both the athletic directors and the coaches.
1:08:29 Would you like to join FHSAA?
1:08:32 And would you like to play outside the county?
1:08:34 The will of the board doesn’t matter for me to just request our
1:08:37 athletic directors and
1:08:38 our coaches to do that.
1:08:39 I don’t want to create change, create all this grandiose things.
1:08:43 I just want to know if from the heart of those coaches that they’d
1:08:46 like to compete in that.
1:08:47 That’s the first thing.
1:08:49 So I don’t, I’m not asking for the will of the board.
1:08:50 I’m just asking for those questions to be answered.
1:08:52 The other issue is, is that this policy doesn’t fit.
1:08:57 So it says all seventh and eighth grade year students in uniform
1:09:01 must play a minimum of one
1:09:02 quarter.
1:09:03 Many of our sports are not divided into quarters.
1:09:06 The track is not a quarter.
1:09:08 The volleyball is not a quarter.
1:09:10 So that policy unto itself needs to be reworded to just say
1:09:15 something like everybody should
1:09:17 play if that’s the will of the board.
1:09:19 When we checked, they took out the middle basketball.
1:09:22 Right.
1:09:22 That made it not.
1:09:23 But it’s, it, and unto itself in the other side, there’s, it was
1:09:29 only written for basketball.
1:09:32 Right.
1:09:33 And there’s just a, so I would say just take a look at that
1:09:35 before it comes back on the 25th.
1:09:37 Um, and then I can move to the next one.
1:09:39 No, the next issue.
1:09:43 I’ve got about nine.
1:09:44 Before you get off of this one.
1:09:45 I, um, I, I know you put your, your request in.
1:09:51 I would suggest that if before we ask Ms. Moore to go and track
1:09:55 down 20 coaches, that that’s
1:09:57 something that we could do as board members too.
1:10:00 But if there is, if it’s not the will of the board to make that
1:10:02 change at this time in this
1:10:05 policy, when we have, where we have it in front of us, or, you
1:10:08 know, then, then I wouldn’t
1:10:10 necessarily want to put that on her.
1:10:12 Um, I, I do think if you’re bringing up the basketball thing,
1:10:15 that seems big.
1:10:16 The other thing is, if we’re talking about FHSAA, I would, we’re
1:10:19 doing, we’re in the
1:10:20 middle of this reimagining middle school process.
1:10:22 Yeah, sorry, I stole your thunder.
1:10:25 You’re good.
1:10:26 I’m fine.
1:10:26 Um, and I was thinking, so right now, we’re not only going to
1:10:29 have the opportunity to hear
1:10:30 from coaches, we’re going to hear from parents.
1:10:33 And we’ve been hearing from staff, what is middle school in Brevard
1:10:36 need to look like?
1:10:37 And I would suggest that as we’re doing that, we’re going to
1:10:40 hear from our community, hey,
1:10:42 you know what?
1:10:43 We think our middle schools need to be more sports driven or
1:10:45 have more opportunities.
1:10:46 And that is absolutely something that we, we would have the
1:10:49 opportunity to maybe mesh.
1:10:50 I would hate for us to start in on a new initiative with sports
1:10:53 without taking into consideration
1:10:56 all the input that we’re getting for the reimagining middle
1:10:58 school.
1:10:58 So we’ve got the opportunity as Dr. Sullivan is leading that,
1:11:01 that charge to
1:11:03 to incorporate athletics into what middle school is going to
1:11:07 look like in the future
1:11:08 in Brevard.
1:11:09 Um, I think we should maybe consider doing that together and not
1:11:15 outside of that conversation.
1:11:18 I think that Ms. Sullivan definitely would even put that into
1:11:21 part of the conversation
1:11:22 and everything else.
1:11:22 I just want to know.
1:11:23 It’s been said in here that it was due diligence done to say
1:11:25 that they didn’t want to go outside
1:11:27 the county or none of this stuff.
1:11:28 Let’s just ask them.
1:11:29 That’s the only reason, not saying that we’re asking to change
1:11:31 the policy or anything like
1:11:32 that.
1:11:32 We ask them, we can get it out and it doesn’t take that long.
1:11:34 It’s just an email out to our coaches saying, Hey, in the event
1:11:37 that we have an opportunity
1:11:38 to travel outside the county, would that be something you want
1:11:40 to do?
1:11:40 Also, Hey, and it’s an email and everybody can respond within a
1:11:44 day.
1:11:44 It’s not moving heaven and earth.
1:11:46 So, um, I’m going to stick to my request.
1:11:49 I would like to have that information sent to me absolutely on
1:11:51 the re-imagining middle
1:11:53 school.
1:11:53 That should be a major component of it as we tradition these, or,
1:11:57 you know, transition these
1:11:59 people into their adulthood.
1:12:00 They should have the ability to play sports, which they haven’t
1:12:02 for a little while in some
1:12:03 of these things.
1:12:03 So that’s it.
1:12:04 I’m good there.
1:12:05 So nothing else on this policy?
1:12:07 Not, not, not on that piece.
1:12:09 Now I have the next one.
1:12:10 So it says, um, open enrollment policy, um, March deadline or so,
1:12:17 so number three, um, sorry,
1:12:20 go down here.
1:12:21 Uh, no, I’m not, no, I’m not, but thank you.
1:12:27 Um, it talks in here about when an individual is the approvals
1:12:33 student at EPOs, tenants at
1:12:36 the end of the day.
1:12:36 H3 deals with the homeschool education, virtual students in
1:12:40 Michigan.
1:12:40 To participate in athletics just as a followup.
1:12:44 It says policy five, one, two, one.
1:12:46 So we’re on H three.
1:12:47 Okay.
1:12:48 And what that is, is, um, uh, it says that they have to follow
1:12:53 the district’s controlled
1:12:55 open enrollment policy in five, one, two, one.
1:12:57 Let me just ask this question to be square.
1:13:00 The policy in five, two, one, two, one, I think states that they
1:13:06 have to follow it, that
1:13:07 if they wanted to be a part of it, that they would have to apply.
1:13:10 So March, the previous year, here’s the scenario I want to make
1:13:14 sure is, is secure.
1:13:15 If I’m a homeschool student, the beginning of the school year
1:13:19 starts, football tryouts are
1:13:21 beginning.
1:13:22 I would like to have the opportunity for homeschool students to
1:13:26 be able at that time to make the
1:13:28 decision to participate.
1:13:30 It’s in our, it’s in the, it’s in the actual statutes to allow
1:13:34 them to participate.
1:13:36 But the how is how it’s defined.
1:13:39 So I just want to make sure that if in February or something,
1:13:43 there’s a sport that comes up like track
1:13:46 and a homeschool student says, you know what, I want to
1:13:49 participate in that, that the opportunity
1:13:51 is afforded to that student to be able to do that.
1:13:54 Does that make sense?
1:13:55 I don’t want them to have to have said, you should have filled
1:13:57 out this paperwork last year
1:13:59 to try to play this year.
1:14:00 Yeah, I’d like the opportunity to review the statute and that
1:14:03 policy.
1:14:04 Okay, all right.
1:14:06 Okay, so currently under FHSAA or under the statutes, there is a
1:14:15 rule that says that if
1:14:18 athletic programs are not offered by another, by your school,
1:14:24 that you’re allowed to, under
1:14:26 certain circumstances, participate at another school in that
1:14:30 sports.
1:14:31 So for instance, an Edgewood, under certain circumstances, could
1:14:35 allow a participant to go
1:14:37 play football at Merritt Island, something like that.
1:14:39 Our policies and procedures inhibit that and don’t allow that.
1:14:45 I would like to bring forward an opportunity that if you don’t
1:14:49 play a sport at Edgewood that’s
1:14:51 not offered, that they would be able to go to the zone school
1:14:53 that they’re at to play
1:14:54 that sport, as long as it doesn’t inhibit the education of the
1:14:58 school that they’re in.
1:15:00 And we have a lot of students that do not participate in the
1:15:05 Edgewoods and don’t do that because
1:15:07 of that restrictive portion.
1:15:10 That’s all.
1:15:11 There’s a lot of students that would attend Edgewood and would
1:15:15 further the school, but would
1:15:17 also would like to play another sport.
1:15:19 Does that make sense?
1:15:21 What language are you speaking to in the policy?
1:15:23 I’m sorry.
1:15:24 So this is just me adding it.
1:15:26 Oh, okay.
1:15:27 So we have, and it could fall into this because this is where we’re
1:15:31 talking about some of the
1:15:33 other sports.
1:15:34 I, again, I’d like the opportunity to view what language you
1:15:39 believe inhibits that and then
1:15:41 we can address that.
1:15:42 I’m not sure.
1:15:43 Okay.
1:15:45 Why don’t we just add then, I would like to add the opportunity
1:15:48 and see if there’s anything
1:15:49 that restricts it to allow a student who’s at, because this has
1:15:53 come up at least every
1:15:54 year since I’ve been on the school board and in previous years
1:15:57 it came to me, where a student
1:15:58 is trying to, or a school, Edgewood is trying to start a
1:16:01 baseball team or whatever and they’re
1:16:03 told no.
1:16:03 You’re not, we’re not going to start a baseball team or no, you
1:16:05 can’t play.
1:16:06 And we have students that want to play outside, but they’re not
1:16:09 allowed to go play at another
1:16:11 school or they’re not allowed to do that.
1:16:12 So I would like to give the opportunity for students that attend
1:16:15 schools that do not participate.
1:16:17 And I’ll be honest with you, the volleyball is going to be the
1:16:19 perfect example.
1:16:20 So if you have volleyball that’s only offered at certain schools,
1:16:24 then students should be
1:16:26 able to go play for another school if they don’t, because beach
1:16:29 volleyball might only be
1:16:30 at four schools.
1:16:31 But I might have a student that’s up at Astronaut that’s great
1:16:33 at it.
1:16:34 Or what about swim?
1:16:36 Like there might be an opportunity where swim, they may not be
1:16:38 able to have that opportunity.
1:16:39 We should be able to allow them that and afford them that.
1:16:42 I would like to do that.
1:16:43 And if you can research to find out if, I know by law it’s okay,
1:16:47 but I want to make sure
1:16:49 that there’s no policies inhibiting it.
1:16:50 That’s all.
1:16:51 I don’t know of any language prohibiting it or inhibiting it,
1:16:56 but I will, I’ll ask Dr.
1:16:59 Bramjit to review.
1:17:00 Yep.
1:17:00 I’m sure he’ll do a great job.
1:17:01 I have a question.
1:17:03 So I want to be really clear.
1:17:05 So let’s say I’m at a school that has this, and I don’t make the
1:17:09 team.
1:17:10 Darn.
1:17:10 But there’s another school who may have a team, and I just want
1:17:19 to make sure that that’s not
1:17:23 going to happen, that, okay, I didn’t make this team because I
1:17:25 wasn’t quite good enough,
1:17:25 and so now I can go over to this school.
1:17:28 But I’m sure we have a policy on that.
1:17:29 The FHSAA provided that.
1:17:32 Yeah.
1:17:32 The idea is this, is that if I’m a student who is attending
1:17:37 Melbourne High, and they don’t
1:17:40 have a beach volleyball program, they don’t have a swim program
1:17:43 something, say, for instance,
1:17:45 I would be able to go to another location to play that, and we
1:17:50 would be able to afford that
1:17:52 individual what they, because they’re stuck to play to their
1:17:56 zone school.
1:17:57 Does that make sense?
1:17:58 It’s kind of like a choice for athletics if it’s not given to
1:18:02 you.
1:18:02 That’s all.
1:18:03 We can talk about it.
1:18:04 Can I just address just a couple things, Mr. Susan, before you
1:18:08 go through the rest of your
1:18:10 list?
1:18:10 I just have a couple concerns.
1:18:11 Sure.
1:18:11 One, I understand that these are things that need board
1:18:16 discussion, but it would have been,
1:18:18 I think, much more beneficial for Ms. Moore, as well as the
1:18:22 board, for those questions
1:18:24 to have been submitted to her two weeks ago when we got the
1:18:26 agenda, so that she could do the
1:18:27 research and we could have the discussion, because now what’s
1:18:30 going to happen is we don’t, the
1:18:32 next time it comes to us, we can’t make changes without it going
1:18:36 back through the policy.
1:18:37 This is our opportunity to make the changes, and I think we don’t
1:18:41 really have the information
1:18:42 that we need to, to even opt to support the changes that you’re
1:18:45 requesting.
1:18:46 So I think it’s a disadvantage to you, certainly a disadvantage
1:18:49 to Ms. Moore, who’s been completely
1:18:51 caught off guard by the questions, and a disadvantage to the
1:18:54 board, who can’t make a decision on it,
1:18:56 because we don’t have the information that we need to, to give
1:18:58 direction as a board, which
1:19:00 is required for the policy change.
1:19:01 The other thing that I would just ask is, you know, as board
1:19:06 members, the staff is Dr.
1:19:09 Mullins’s, and so I just want to make sure that we are sticking
1:19:12 with the practice of asking
1:19:14 Dr. Mullins to get the information instead of board members
1:19:16 giving direction to his staff.
1:19:18 I think that’s important.
1:19:20 So I would definitely bring that up.
1:19:22 There are some issues that are on here that I would like to get
1:19:24 board direction on, but
1:19:26 as I am feeling through that board direction, I’m noticing that
1:19:29 there are comments that are
1:19:30 made that are inhibitive towards that board direction, meaning
1:19:33 there was, it was commented
1:19:35 that, look, these people have already been communicated to.
1:19:38 Well, if they have, then that shouldn’t be that hard of an issue
1:19:40 to go ask those questions.
1:19:41 I would also say that this is the only time that the public
1:19:44 actually gets to see this.
1:19:46 So a lot of these things are what is inside of many emails, many,
1:19:51 many arguments, many things,
1:19:53 even going back to Andy Ziegler when he was trying to get a lot
1:19:56 of these things taken care
1:19:57 of, and this is the only time that the public actually gets to
1:20:00 see the will of the board,
1:20:01 the people, and stuff like that.
1:20:02 So with that, knowing that these are some of the questions, the
1:20:06 last piece that you had
1:20:07 mentioned was, is that we’re not going to be able to look at it
1:20:09 until it comes back.
1:20:10 Listen, if we have to wait one more school board meeting to make
1:20:14 sure that we craft policy
1:20:16 that is good, then I would say that that inhibits us, whether I
1:20:19 sent an email in, 15 emails
1:20:21 in, asking for information over the last two weeks, or if we did
1:20:25 it here.
1:20:26 There should be, I understand where we are sitting here saying,
1:20:29 we should get all this
1:20:30 information ahead of time, not have public discussion out in
1:20:33 front of people, and then,
1:20:34 you know what I mean, good.
1:20:35 But I truly believe in these things, and I wanted to see where
1:20:39 the board was on it,
1:20:41 and then make requests based on that.
1:20:43 I think it’s within my right to do that.
1:20:46 That’s all.
1:20:46 So if I can just, I’m sorry, Mr. Susan, were you done?
1:20:49 I didn’t mean to interrupt you.
1:20:50 I just wanted to clarify.
1:20:51 I’m not suggesting that we shouldn’t be discussing it.
1:20:54 I’m suggesting that, as your fellow board member, I feel bad
1:20:57 that I don’t have enough
1:20:58 information to say, yes, that’s a great idea, Mr. Susan, and we
1:21:01 should move forward with
1:21:02 that prior to the next meeting.
1:21:03 Right.
1:21:03 And so I’m not suggesting that there shouldn’t have been
1:21:05 discussion.
1:21:05 But like Ms. Campbell sent out questions on many of the policies,
1:21:09 asked them ahead of
1:21:10 time.
1:21:11 Staff had the opportunity to do the research, if necessary, get
1:21:14 the information back to her.
1:21:15 The entire board was able to read the response and have that
1:21:18 information, so that when we
1:21:20 came in to discuss that policy and the concerns Ms. Campbell had
1:21:23 publicly, we were prepared
1:21:24 for that discussion because we understood.
1:21:25 So please don’t think that I’m saying that you shouldn’t be
1:21:28 discussing it or that we shouldn’t
1:21:29 take the time to craft a good policy.
1:21:33 I absolutely agree with you.
1:21:34 Right.
1:21:34 I just am saying it’s very difficult when we don’t have all of
1:21:38 the information for us
1:21:39 to be able to give you a thumbs up and say, yeah, the entire
1:21:42 board thinks we should go
1:21:42 that direction.
1:21:43 And I couldn’t agree with you more.
1:21:44 I am not asking you guys to make decisions hardline right now to
1:21:47 try to make a decision
1:21:48 in direction for October 25th.
1:21:50 What I’m doing is in public bringing up all of the different
1:21:53 items so that the public understands
1:21:56 where I stand and where we’re going to be requesting information
1:21:59 so that when it does come back
1:22:01 that we can discuss it at no time.
1:22:03 And that’s the reason at the beginning of it did I ask, when’s
1:22:05 the next step?
1:22:06 What are the next processes?
1:22:07 So like right now, this is part of the beginning of this process.
1:22:10 There’s no rule that says that the first time we bring this up
1:22:14 that we have to not discuss
1:22:15 it in the board and it has to take three meetings in order to do
1:22:17 it.
1:22:17 We can follow a different process sometimes and ask questions
1:22:20 inside the public.
1:22:21 So I appreciate that.
1:22:23 And that is normally the way that we do business.
1:22:25 But right now, this has been something that has been very near
1:22:28 and dear to my heart for
1:22:30 many years.
1:22:30 And I want to try to bring it out and try to ask those questions
1:22:33 now.
1:22:33 So thank you.
1:22:34 All right.
1:22:35 It also talks in here about EKGs.
1:22:40 I would like to know if there’s an opportunity.
1:22:45 Do you know how many?
1:22:46 I would like to get information based on how many people opted
1:22:52 out of the high school and
1:22:55 middle school as opposed to opted in.
1:22:57 Does that make sense to you?
1:22:58 Because I would like to bring forward, and I don’t know where
1:23:01 any of the other board members
1:23:02 sit on this, I would like to bring forward a recommendation to
1:23:05 mandate the EKG policy for
1:23:07 health screenings for who we play for.
1:23:10 So I’m requesting that information that I would like to find out
1:23:17 how many opted out.
1:23:20 And then I was going to ask the board what you guys thought
1:23:23 about for making it a mandatory
1:23:25 policy instead of going towards opt out.
1:23:30 So it’s so somebody could not opt out?
1:23:34 No.
1:23:35 It would go completely against all of the new state law.
1:23:39 We can’t do that.
1:23:41 They do it in other districts.
1:23:43 They mandate it.
1:23:45 This is a new law.
1:23:45 That’s just what we went over.
1:23:48 There’s no way we can get away with that.
1:23:50 Right.
1:23:53 We don’t…
1:23:54 I will tell you that I can’t give an answer to your question
1:23:57 because we don’t have
1:24:00 questions.
1:24:02 No problem.
1:24:03 Okay.
1:24:04 Another…
1:24:05 Can I just clear over?
1:24:06 There’s lots of requests being made.
1:24:07 I’ll follow them up at the end, Dr. Maltz.
1:24:09 Okay.
1:24:09 I will.
1:24:10 I don’t even know if we have that information, but I’ll talk…
1:24:12 I can follow up with Ms. Moore after the…
1:24:14 A couple of times we did.
1:24:16 I’ve seen it before.
1:24:16 I’ve seen it come across.
1:24:17 Intramurals.
1:24:20 You had spoken about the middle school programs and then the intramural
1:24:24 programs.
1:24:26 Are we allowing those ones that we just put on, not the existing
1:24:31 high school or the middle
1:24:33 school programs, the intramural, are we allowing them to play
1:24:37 other schools?
1:24:38 At this time, the definition, as I understand it, of intramural
1:24:43 is it’s within the school.
1:24:45 It is school.
1:24:46 It’s kids of that school playing other kids of that school.
1:24:49 We didn’t set up any other events for them outside of that.
1:24:53 And the reason I…
1:24:54 And that is the definition, right?
1:24:56 The reason I asked is that many of the schools had had the idea
1:25:00 that they were going to move
1:25:01 forward with…
1:25:03 They thought that they were going to get a program where they
1:25:05 could go compete against
1:25:06 other schools, right?
1:25:07 And some of them would like to compete against other schools.
1:25:10 And so I would love to have the opportunity that at the end of
1:25:14 these intramural programs,
1:25:16 if there was a countywide kind of like you do with the track and
1:25:20 all those other ones,
1:25:21 that we might be able to allow one-off competitions.
1:25:23 And if the district does not feel comfortable with that, I would
1:25:26 like to try to allow one
1:25:28 of the outside vendors to hold championships between teams.
1:25:31 You know what I mean?
1:25:32 Does that make sense?
1:25:33 I understand what you said.
1:25:34 Yes, sir.
1:25:34 So I guess the question would be in the board is that I would
1:25:40 like to try to allow them to
1:25:42 compete with each other.
1:25:42 And we can talk about that on the 25th.
1:25:45 And then the last piece is that we’ve had some issues with the
1:25:57 press not being able to cover
1:26:01 certain sports and everything else and principals saying you can’t
1:26:04 come in here.
1:26:05 You know what I mean?
1:26:06 Inhibit is you and I went back and forth about our policy about
1:26:09 you said, hey, here’s the policy
1:26:11 and then I read it and then it was something that was not
1:26:13 inconsistent with what we needed.
1:26:18 This would be a good place to put in that any press that wishes
1:26:23 to join or cover any of our games could be.
1:26:26 Does that make sense to you?
1:26:28 It is in our media policy and those administrative procedures we
1:26:33 adjust today.
1:26:34 So this is not, you know, they haven’t been sitting on anybody’s
1:26:38 desk but in student services.
1:26:40 The administrative procedures have been forwarded to Paul Gibbs.
1:26:45 Mr. Gibbs is going to review them with Dr. Mullins.
1:26:47 He’ll have a chance to weigh in and decide whether he agrees
1:26:50 with them or not.
1:26:51 But that’s covered in a different policy.
1:26:53 And that’s to give open access for press to cover our sporting
1:26:57 events and activities, correct?
1:26:59 I’m not going to use the word open because the policy is about
1:27:03 five pages long.
1:27:04 So I don’t want to give anybody the wrong impression of what the
1:27:06 word open means.
1:27:07 Okay.
1:27:09 And that’s going to be a procedure, not a policy?
1:27:11 It’s a procedure.
1:27:11 I’m sorry.
1:27:11 I said the word policy.
1:27:12 I meant procedure.
1:27:13 No, no, no.
1:27:13 I was going to say.
1:27:14 It is currently a procedure that we amended to make venues more
1:27:20 open to the media.
1:27:23 So I’ll be happy to send you.
1:27:25 I believe I can send you the draft.
1:27:27 I don’t think there’s any issue.
1:27:28 But just to clarify, Mr. Susan, any administrative procedure
1:27:32 aligns to a board policy.
1:27:34 This one aligns to the media policy in response to it.
1:27:39 We just have a policy that says that the principal is allowed to
1:27:42 say no to somebody who comes into
1:27:44 their school.
1:27:44 And it’s going to go against the procedure, which means that we
1:27:48 would have to rewrite that
1:27:49 policy.
1:27:50 I would rather put it in policy so that there’s no, so that it’s
1:27:54 where it was from the beginning.
1:27:56 That’s all.
1:27:56 But we can talk about that later.
1:27:58 I thought that this would be a good place to add it.
1:27:59 But if you guys want to put it under the media, then that’s all
1:28:02 I have for this.
1:28:03 Any board member have anything else on policy 2431, Interscholastic
1:28:08 Athletics?
1:28:09 All right.
1:28:10 Then we are moving along to 3213, Student Supervision and Welfare.
1:28:15 All right.
1:28:16 This policy is encouraging students to discuss or facilitate a
1:28:20 discussion of issues relating
1:28:22 to a student’s well-being with their parent or legal guardian.
1:28:25 That’s a staff person’s encouraging that student to discuss or
1:28:28 facilitate that discussion.
1:28:30 It’s notifying a parent or legal guardian if there’s a change in
1:28:32 a student’s services or
1:28:34 monitoring related to a student’s mental, emotional, or physical
1:28:37 health or well-being.
1:28:38 It is preventing staff from prohibiting or discouraging
1:28:41 notification of and involvement in critical
1:28:44 decisions affecting a student’s mental, emotional, or physical
1:28:47 health or well-being.
1:28:48 And these revisions do encompass the suggested language of NEOLA.
1:28:54 Four members have questions or comments on this one.
1:28:57 Is that still being used?
1:29:02 There was a debate.
1:29:02 I had a debate with friends.
1:29:03 Isn’t that still something somewhere?
1:29:05 I’m sorry.
1:29:06 Is MySpace gone for sure?
1:29:07 It’s pretty dead.
1:29:09 Are you sure?
1:29:09 I’m looking it up right now.
1:29:11 I don’t think anybody has MySpace anymore.
1:29:11 I don’t want a discrimination policy against MySpace.
1:29:14 It says it’s better at MySpace.
1:29:16 Sure.
1:29:17 No one has a question.
1:29:20 Ms. Moore, I do have just one question.
1:29:22 It’s just really for clarification of our folks.
1:29:24 The language in here says that an instructional staff member
1:29:29 shall encourage a student to discuss
1:29:31 issues relating to the student’s well-being with the student’s
1:29:34 parent legal guardian or shall
1:29:35 facilitate that discussion.
1:29:37 Just for clarification, number one, there’s nothing in this
1:29:43 policy that says that our staff
1:29:45 members cannot have conversations with our kids if they’re
1:29:48 seeking someone to talk.
1:29:49 There’s nothing in the policy that prohibits that, no.
1:29:53 And is there this last portion that says or shall facilitate the
1:29:57 student’s discussion of the issue
1:29:59 with the parent legal guardian, is that, are our staff members
1:30:05 expected to reach out to the
1:30:07 parent or are they supposed to help the student to coordinate
1:30:12 discussion with the parent?
1:30:14 Yeah.
1:30:15 So it’s, it’s, it’s a complicated process.
1:30:17 So I’ll break it down.
1:30:18 There’s two words.
1:30:20 There’s, um, uh, sorry, the words just went out of my head.
1:30:28 So I’m going to go back to the beginning.
1:30:30 So if there’s a change in mental health services, we must tell a
1:30:36 parent.
1:30:37 If a student comes to tell a parent, whatever that change in
1:30:41 mental health services is.
1:30:43 If a student comes to us with a concern and shares the concern
1:30:48 with us and never, and we
1:30:50 never see him again.
1:30:51 And there’s no need for follow-up and there’s no need for
1:30:53 continued service.
1:30:54 Um, there isn’t the mandate that we have to discuss it with the
1:30:58 parent.
1:30:59 However, we should always reach out and say to a child, have you
1:31:03 discussed this with the
1:31:04 parent?
1:31:04 Can I help you discuss this with the parent?
1:31:06 If a parent, um, directly calls us and asks us, is there
1:31:12 something that my child has shared,
1:31:16 um, that they were concerned about, then we have the duty to
1:31:21 disclose.
1:31:22 However, we don’t have, uh, if we, if we see something, um, if a
1:31:29 child comes to us one time,
1:31:31 we don’t have to proactively, uh, reach out for everything that
1:31:36 we see because we would be
1:31:38 reaching out all day, every day for every kid on the campus.
1:31:41 Right.
1:31:41 Um, the only, uh,
1:31:46 the only thing that can prohibit us from disclosing if there’s
1:31:52 been a change in service
1:31:53 for a child is if we have knowledge that there’s a safety
1:31:57 concern for that child in the home.
1:32:00 And then we have to just the, the person, the, uh, employee
1:32:07 needs to discuss it.
1:32:08 It’s probably a school guidance counselor, social worker needs
1:32:10 to talk to the principal.
1:32:11 They have to come to agreement.
1:32:13 Um, and then they, they take notes and they move forward with
1:32:17 the, with, uh, the monitoring.
1:32:20 Okay, super. Thank you.
1:32:23 In that last, that’s something that involves DCF, correct?
1:32:26 It doesn’t necessarily involve DCF. And this is the point, is
1:32:31 that DCF won’t take a call of what
1:32:33 might happen. They take calls of what do happen. So if in the
1:32:37 conversation there’s a past history of
1:32:40 abuse, neglect, and or abandonment, we would absolutely call. If
1:32:42 there’s a fear of future
1:32:45 abuse, neglect, or abandonment, DCF won’t take the call. So that’s
1:32:49 why we have layers of conversations.
1:32:51 Fact of the matter is, it’s not just layers of conversation in
1:32:55 the school.
1:32:55 Uh, Dr. Sullivan and I have been, um, part of those
1:32:59 conversations where we work through those.
1:33:01 So this, we take it very seriously.
1:33:03 Anyone else have anything else? All right. Then our next policy
1:33:11 is going to be 5200 attendance.
1:33:15 All right. The following, uh, the following items were added and
1:33:18 or removed from the current policy.
1:33:20 Additions. New reasons for excused absences. Truancy procedures
1:33:24 for home education.
1:33:25 Uh, discipline section on tardies and truancy.
1:33:28 Removed action on three, uh, removed were the action on three
1:33:33 unexcused absence.
1:33:34 Removed, uh, removal of the time limit for being considered
1:33:38 present.
1:33:39 Uh, attendance, uh, removal of the attendance appeal process
1:33:43 because it was moved over into procedures.
1:33:45 Um, the absence related to autism because that was part of
1:33:49 procedures. College visits, married and
1:33:51 pregnant students, all of those were in procedures. Um, the
1:33:54 proposed revision do encompass the suggested
1:33:56 language from NEOLA. Um, and all past practices that were not in
1:34:02 the NEOLA have been moved over into the
1:34:04 administrative procedures. We tried to clean this up to mirror
1:34:08 NEOLA and moved over all of our extra
1:34:11 Bavard stuff into administrative procedures. Anyone have
1:34:14 questions or comments on policy 5200 attendance?
1:34:19 Okay. I thought I’d walk, not all of the questions, all of the
1:34:23 questions that I had brought, but, um, just a couple, just to
1:34:27 clarify,
1:34:27 because I, we received some concerns from community member, at
1:34:31 least one, um, about some of this. Um, the,
1:34:37 the language in B5A, the new B5A that talks about, there’s a
1:34:43 place where it says the parent may appeal to the board
1:34:46 and it’s crossed out. It says principal designee. That’s not
1:34:49 language we had in our former policy.
1:34:50 All that blue is NEOLA and then we made a reward adjustment. Um,
1:34:55 and I think that you, if I can
1:34:57 summarize what you said was, you know, this is hundreds of cases
1:35:00 for our county being large rather than just a
1:35:02 handful of schools like some counties. And so this is our normal,
1:35:05 this is to go through our normal
1:35:06 procedure. And with the addition of truancy court, um, which we’ve
1:35:11 been able to incorporate all of that
1:35:13 into this as well. Correct. Okay. And then, um, on K3, I don’t
1:35:25 even know if I’ll ask this one. Oh,
1:35:29 in the comments, you guys had argued about the nine-day rule. I
1:35:34 think that had to do with, um,
1:35:38 not attendance or things outside that grades shouldn’t be made
1:35:42 up of things that are outside
1:35:44 of academic performance, I guess. Yeah. We typically want to
1:35:49 only grade the things that evaluate their
1:35:51 learning. Yeah. Yeah. I was thinking through that because I, I,
1:35:54 I totally agree in it. You know,
1:35:55 you’re tardy every day. So you fail this class, but you make
1:35:57 hundreds on the test. That’s not appropriate.
1:35:59 But at the same time, there are certain courses where absence,
1:36:02 absolutely. I’m thinking especially of the
1:36:04 arts, um, that your participation not only affects your own
1:36:08 learning, but it affects the whole, which,
1:36:10 you know, for example, in a music class, the way you work
1:36:13 together as a, as a team, as a group,
1:36:16 is part, is, it’s a standard that you have to learn. And if you’re
1:36:19 not in class, you’re not learning that
1:36:21 standard. You’re not being assessed on that standard. And so in
1:36:23 those kind of cases, I mean,
1:36:25 it’s kind of a different class. So, but I, um, so are we, we’re
1:36:29 just leaving this as it is and
1:36:31 addressing it as the situations come up. Um, I’m just not sure
1:36:35 where that nine day rule,
1:36:36 I’m trying to figure out where, you know, what do we have to do
1:36:39 to reconcile that?
1:36:40 Which one are, which? And on K3, in it, in the little, in the
1:36:45 side, in the red line,
1:36:46 you have a note. Somebody put, one could argue that our nine day
1:36:48 rule is not appropriate. I’m not
1:36:49 sure who’s that comment was. Um, I’m looking, I’m looking back
1:36:53 to Chris Reed.
1:36:54 Are you sure that was you? Can you come up to the mic?
1:36:57 So because that last sentence and that number three says, but
1:37:07 his or her grade should be based
1:37:09 upon what the student can demonstrate he or she has learned. So
1:37:13 one could argue, in my opinion,
1:37:16 in interpreting this, if I can help the class by doing the work
1:37:20 and I missed 25 days,
1:37:22 that statement says it should be based on the grade should be
1:37:26 based on what the student can
1:37:27 demonstrate that and how frequently you came to the class. So it,
1:37:30 in my opinion, kind of contradicted
1:37:33 that we’ve moved the nine days out of policy and it will be in
1:37:36 procedure. But again, student performance
1:37:39 should dictate pass fail, but we do have an attendance criteria
1:37:43 that will get moved to that policy
1:37:45 that also will, will run in tandem with that. Which is not just
1:37:48 ours. Those are state requirements.
1:37:49 If you want, right. So you can’t miss that many days and still
1:37:53 get credit from a school
1:37:54 district in the state of Florida for passing that class. Right.
1:37:57 We have a statutory number of hours
1:37:59 that equal us, uh, a credit. Right. So this goes directly to our
1:38:03 RFA. Right. This is, we’re talking about
1:38:05 our FA. Uh, failure due absences for, sorry, I should explain
1:38:11 the abbreviations. Um, then the, the kindergarten
1:38:13 question. And I, I know you’re prepped for this one. So there
1:38:17 was, you have to attend 162 days. Um,
1:38:22 which, you know, being a math person, I’m like, that’s 90%. Was
1:38:24 it 90% or is it, Chris said something
1:38:27 about hours? Um, but kindergarteners go three fewer days than
1:38:31 everybody else? I don’t know how the
1:38:32 state, if that’s a, how that all works. But so is this, so, so
1:38:36 in other words, a kindergartner can
1:38:38 only miss 18 days. No, actually not 18 days, 15 days. It’s 18,
1:38:45 but they only go 177 days. So how does that work?
1:38:48 So the, what was in the policy before and what’s still in the
1:38:51 policy is it suggested now is to be
1:38:54 present for 162. Whereas in the past, it used to talk about how
1:38:57 many you’re allowed to miss.
1:38:58 The rationale behind those numbers is, um, there’s an FTE, uh,
1:39:04 statute. And then there’s a rule that
1:39:06 states that you must be in attendance for 720 hours as a kindergartner
1:39:10 to be considered for promotion.
1:39:12 Okay. That is four hours a day is what that translates to.
1:39:16 We, Brevard, choose to have a full-time kindergarten program.
1:39:21 Therefore, we’ve added that 162 days
1:39:26 to our policy to mirror that nine per semester or 18. So we
1:39:32 could make a change because they go three
1:39:35 days less. We could say it’s 151 days in attendance or 162 and a
1:39:40 half days of attendance. But the idea that,
1:39:44 that, that piece is there because we have full-time kindergarten.
1:39:47 Okay. And later in the policy somewhere it says, talks about how
1:39:52 long you have to be there to be
1:39:54 counted as a day. I mean, are we getting down to the nitty-gritty
1:39:57 of how many hours were you here at
1:39:58 school? Or, but you were, you were present some part of 162 days.
1:40:03 I’m assuming if, like, if the parent was
1:40:04 picking them up every day at noon, that would become a problem.
1:40:07 But, I mean, we’re not getting down,
1:40:09 down in general to the nitty-gritty of how many hours you were
1:40:12 here.
1:40:12 I mean, this is really a, a, a response from instituting focus.
1:40:20 Focus needed it to be a set
1:40:22 amount of time. And when we mirrored it in policy, the set
1:40:25 amount of time, in some schools were four
1:40:28 periods, in some schools was five periods, in some schools was
1:40:32 four periods and a piece of lunch.
1:40:34 So they’re like, yeah, you, you need to give us a unit of time.
1:40:38 And most districts around the state,
1:40:40 it’s 45, anywhere between 45 and 60 minutes. Okay. So that
1:40:45 counts as a day.
1:40:46 Yeah. Okay. That’s still a lot of flexibility. So thank you for,
1:40:51 um, answering that question.
1:40:53 Anyone else? Um, just one quick one for me, and this is more for
1:40:58 our public. Um, this whole idea of
1:41:01 truancy and, um, compulsory attendance. Um, that, we take on
1:41:07 that burden because we are required to,
1:41:09 correct? Correct. Like, statutorily, we are required to report
1:41:12 parents who don’t send their
1:41:14 children to school. It’s not the district going after parents,
1:41:17 right? Yeah, yeah. Correct. Absolutely,
1:41:18 100%. That’s it. Yep. All right. Um, then we will move on to 5710
1:41:25 student and parent legal guardian
1:41:27 complete. Thank you, Chris. Um, specific, uh, revisions include
1:41:32 implement, uh, implement the
1:41:33 provisions to provide parent and legal guardians the process to
1:41:37 resolve concerns with the implementation
1:41:39 of Florida statute 1001.428 at their school. Um, just for you
1:41:45 guys to, to grapple that, that is the
1:41:47 provisions under 1557 that, um, uh, give the parents the
1:41:53 opportunity if they don’t agree with the school’s
1:41:56 decision or the district’s decision to engage the services of a
1:41:59 special magistrate through, um,
1:42:02 the state DOE. And so there’s a process by which we go through.
1:42:06 So that’s what’s outlined in 5710.
1:42:08 These proposed revisions do encompass the suggested language
1:42:11 from NEOLA.
1:42:12 Anyone have questions or, anyone have questions or concerns on
1:42:17 this?
1:42:21 All right. That was quick and easy. Then we will move on to 5751
1:42:28 parental.
1:42:28 I don’t think my script is correct. Parental married status of
1:42:34 students.
1:42:35 I have Mary’s status of students. This one is so easy. There was
1:42:39 a statute added to the policy.
1:42:42 That was it. Do you have a question? No, I had to look and go,
1:42:46 what, where, where was the change?
1:42:48 There’s nothing. There was a statute added. Listen, we’re trying
1:42:50 to dot our I’s and cross
1:42:52 our T’s. We’re making work for ourselves. And you added letters.
1:42:56 Did we add letters? Oh yeah,
1:42:58 we formatted it. You know, as we pull up really old policies
1:43:01 that haven’t been looked at in a while,
1:43:03 the formatting’s all off. So sometimes that’s the hardest part
1:43:05 of working with the policies.
1:43:07 All right. So no questions on 5751, right? Then we will move on
1:43:14 to 5780, parent rights,
1:43:17 students rights. Good afternoon. This policy is being revised to
1:43:23 clarify the procedures
1:43:24 regarding student health and other changes in compliance with
1:43:28 Florida law.
1:43:29 Particular areas of revision include notice of health care
1:43:33 services.
1:43:33 And these proposed revisions do encompass the suggested language
1:43:37 from the OLA.
1:43:38 Anyone have questions or comments on 5780? Ms. Campbell?
1:43:46 I had asked Ms. Moore if in C2, when we talk about education
1:43:50 decisions, and this has to do with
1:43:54 issues that may come up. If in number one talks about parents,
1:44:00 parent guardians have the equal right to
1:44:02 make decisions about the educational welfare of the student
1:44:04 unless the school has received a certified
1:44:06 copy of an enforceable court order that interprets whatever. And
1:44:09 then number two, I think we need to
1:44:11 just to, it may be redundant, but reiterate that and in some way
1:44:15 add the information, the assessment
1:44:17 statement about a court order. So where it says, if the
1:44:20 guardians cannot agree on a significant
1:44:22 decision about the student’s education or on matters of that,
1:44:26 and there is not a court order,
1:44:29 then the school will take action based on what it considers to
1:44:32 be in the best interest of the child.
1:44:34 It, like I said, it may be a little redundant, but I think we
1:44:37 need that redundance in there.
1:44:39 Do you have any concerns with that request? No, I love that
1:44:44 request.
1:44:44 I’m looking at you, but Russ, you presented it. Why do you own
1:44:46 this?
1:44:47 I’m just telling them to show up. It’s student records, it’s
1:44:51 records.
1:44:52 Do you still have lawyers in your office? Do you want to get
1:44:55 away from the noise?
1:44:56 Six was the limit for any one cabinet member at a board work
1:45:00 session, so we defaulted to Broome.
1:45:03 I can make that change if the board wishes that. No problem.
1:45:07 It would help us tremendously. I love that change. Of course, Ms.
1:45:11 Moore.
1:45:11 All right, anything else on 5780, parent rights?
1:45:18 All right, then we will move on to 6520, payroll deduction. Ms.
1:45:24 Lisinski, you have sat so patiently.
1:45:27 We’re going to ask you 15 questions.
1:45:29 Is it working now? Are you sure, Katie? No.
1:45:37 Yeah. Okay. All right, so the purpose of this revision,
1:45:42 the purpose of the proposed revisions to the policy is to ensure
1:45:48 compliance with all actable
1:45:51 federal and state laws, Florida State Board of Education rules,
1:45:55 board policies, administrative rules, procedures, and guidelines.
1:46:00 In addition, the proposed revisions
1:46:02 promote transparency and accountability. Summary of the proposed
1:46:06 policy revisions are this policy is
1:46:09 being revised for technical changes only regarding voluntary
1:46:13 payroll deductions. This policy is being
1:46:16 revised to clarify the procedures regarding legally required
1:46:20 payroll deductions recommended by NEOLA.
1:46:24 Particular areas of revision include the following voluntary and
1:46:28 legally required deductions for payroll purposes.
1:46:31 These proposed revisions do encompass the suggested language of
1:46:36 NEOLA.
1:46:37 Are there any questions?
1:46:38 Anyone have questions? Mr. Susan?
1:46:41 Can you give me an example of what, like, currently why we
1:46:46 needed to take the
1:46:47 board away from approval from these payroll deductions in that
1:46:51 line? You know what I mean?
1:46:52 Because when I’m reading there, just give me one, because it may
1:46:54 be, you know.
1:46:55 Right. So the way it read before, you would have to approve all
1:47:01 deductions.
1:47:02 And so this, the way we revised it is, so any legal reductions
1:47:08 we can do without board approval, like
1:47:10 garnishments, child support, student loans, FRS, stuff that we
1:47:16 have to do legally.
1:47:17 The way it was written before was kind of vague, so this just
1:47:22 shows you that we don’t
1:47:24 have to approve those things. We’ll go ahead and make sure that
1:47:28 we pay those things.
1:47:29 Absolutely. Thank you.
1:47:30 And then the voluntary is things like United Way, union dues,
1:47:37 those kind of things.
1:47:38 We would have to approve. You would have to approve those.
1:47:40 Because they’re negotiated and stuff like that. Okay. Thank you.
1:47:42 That’s perfect. Thank you.
1:47:43 One question just for clarification, and I think I know the
1:47:49 answer, but just to be sure.
1:47:51 It says voluntary payroll deductions will be approved by the
1:47:55 board and authorized in writing
1:47:56 by the employee. So I’m assuming the board is going to authorize,
1:48:00 like overall, I’m not going to
1:48:01 authorize that you have $10 taken out of your check for United
1:48:04 Way. I’m going to authorize United Way
1:48:06 Deduction, correct? Correct. Okay. Yeah, it’s categorical. So
1:48:10 the board is authorizing voluntary
1:48:12 deductions to be made, and then once the board authorizes it, it’s
1:48:16 up to the employees to sign off.
1:48:18 And if it overwhelms the system, the superintendent can say we’re
1:48:22 not doing it anymore.
1:48:24 So do we actually, we’re just, we’re doing a blanket approval of
1:48:28 voluntary payroll deductions.
1:48:30 We’re not, you’re not bringing individual categorical deductions
1:48:34 to us for a vote.
1:48:35 It’s possible if something new wants to get at it, if it could
1:48:39 come to the board in the future,
1:48:40 are we wanting to engage in this, you know, payroll deduction
1:48:44 process for this program.
1:48:46 Got it.
1:48:46 I’m thinking it says anytime that there’s a applicable
1:48:50 negotiated agreement, meaning that–
1:48:52 Yeah, obviously, if it’s in a contract, yeah, the contract with
1:48:55 the unions are always approved
1:48:56 by the board. So any deductions in there would be approved by
1:48:59 the board, yeah.
1:48:59 Usually, I think the one thing that concerned me, and the reason
1:49:02 I was asking her was,
1:49:03 you know how when we have our teachers get overpaid, and then
1:49:08 all of a sudden they get a letter that says,
1:49:09 you’re going to be underpaid now, and we’re going to garnish
1:49:11 your wages.
1:49:12 I used to like to fight that, and this is allowing them to just
1:49:16 do that.
1:49:17 But I can ask for those things if I want to go make a fight, you
1:49:20 know what I mean?
1:49:20 That was all.
1:49:21 I feel confident that with this phenomenal team, we’re not going
1:49:25 to have that issue anymore.
1:49:26 All right.
1:49:28 Oh, I had one more comment.
1:49:30 Michael Jordan didn’t make his high school basketball team until
1:49:34 he was a sophomore,
1:49:36 and he did play in middle school.
1:49:38 Thank you for keeping this straight.
1:49:41 Every one of those other guys did.
1:49:44 All right.
1:49:46 Right.
1:49:47 Anything else for the good of the order?
1:49:49 Hearing no further business, this meeting is adjourned.
1:50:06 We’ll see you next time.
1:50:38 Bye.